What's wrong with people?

I decided before I logged for the night, I would try some PvP. We win 3 battles, then the fourth battle we lose, I had been attacking the monk, and when I ran out of energy I split off and starting attacking some warrior that was attacking me. After I die, I look at the messages, and one of the people starts yelling at me calling me an "idiot piece of trash" and swearing at me and stuff. Ok, now I see where you were saying "I am attacking so and so" thing, and now I know you focus fire, but was it really necessary to get so angry?
When I try to say calm down it's just a game, they say that it's not the game they hate, but me. Honestly, we lose one pvp battle and you're hating people?
Why do people take it so seriously? Yes I am a noob, you can point out mistakes without being a total prick about it.

Because people want to be uber, and own. They never want to loose. It's the competetive spirit of some people.

Oh, and they can NEVER make a mistake.

I agree with you that it's not a good idea to yell on people, but that's what i do. Well, i just can't do anything with it sometimes.
By the way "calm down it's just a game" thing just makes me significantly more angry. For anyone who yells on you this phrase means only that you don't care about a game, your teammates, winning etc, you're just wasting some free time in it. Of course, some other players (including me) will hate you because you effectively said "sure, i suck, but i don't care so get lost" instead of whatever you said in your post here "everyone will learn after a while, no reason to be that angry".

You really think yelling at them will make them better players, and not just make you look like a pompous, high-handed prick?

Something similar happened to me the other night as well. Was questing(Yak's Bend to Lion's Arch) & I was a N/Mo... keeping my team alive. Then we get to the swamp area right before Kryta & my team starts taking a lot of damage so much so that the monk & I couldnt keep up... not to mention the team was running thru the poison water... I'm trying my hardest but I cant keep up... my energy gets depleted, monk dies & I die. Then this...this..this ahole starts raggin on me.. saying I am the worst healer ever. Never mind the fact that all thru the quest(Yak's Bend to Lion's Arch) prior to this I had been saving & healing my team. But nooooooo he has to rag on me constantly... finally we get to Gates Of Kryta & he starts telling ppl not to select me as a party member as I am the worst healer ever to play the game. Blah blah blah on & on he went. Tell you what... if I had been in the same room with him in person I would have beat his a**. F'n punk! He had absolutely no clue has to how hard it was to keep the team alive then. None.

I really despise aholes like that. Ungrateful, think they know everything, quick to blame someone else for thier stupidity & so on.

Mebbe I should develop a lethal virus that kills only stupid ppl....

It is the nature of the beast. PvP is a competition. Some players thrive on competition, and losing, to them, is the end of the world as far as that particularly competition is concerned. Not to mention, most people don't know how to check their emotions, especially in games or online in general. The anonymity of the internet serves as a one-way mirror: they can express whatever they feel like whenever they feel like it without the potential for direction repercussions (or any real world consequences).

When you see someone like that, move on. Sure, you may suck. We all suck at some point. You could always shift the blame and say, "Hey, I know I suck. But, you know what, you decided to team up with me. That means you suck at choosing teammates." But, that wouldn't solve anything, would it?

My advice: Join a guild. If a guild sucks or is great at PvP, they should never come down nearly as hard on you. If someone in my guild flipped out on another guild member for losing one match (or even a small series of them), I would make them walk the plank.

~ Captain Blackguard of the Pirate Ninjas

Aye, most of my guild are already good at pvp from what I've seen.

But when we have a few who aren't we take em to the tombs or an arena and teach them.

I got to admit, sometimes I'd love to yell at people by myself, not at you that is but some are acting so damn stupid especially on PvE, little example, I hate it when people run away in battle with full life because they think we couldn't beat a group...well we indeed can't beat some groups if the half team runs away because the its a 6 vs 7......damnit, stupid %#$! Also hating it when people run into mobs without letting others rest....or when the healers attack insteat of stay back...

You really can't read or you're just a troll?

Ask the rest of the team if they think the persons behaviour is valid, if no one responds - quit. If someone responds and points them out to be complete idiots, then they go silent, now that someone has put them in their place who isnt the object of their hatred.

A lot of players are young (minded) children, 12 - 15 acting like 9 - 11. They expect heals and rez' just like they expect their dinner on the table at 6pm. My bro is 16 and hes a guild leader for an IOS guild on GW and hes quite mature, so im not being ageist here

btw: I yell shit loads lol But.. I dont use words like idiot & stfu.

You shouldn't take it too personally. When someone gets into a great streak they tend to blow of steam at a certain person if things go wrong.

Don't take it too heart mate. There are a lot of good people here and also not all good people are having a RL good day and even they can be a'holes sometimes. That's just life.
You really just need to laugh at it sometimes. And since we are on the topic and giving examples, I loved this one PvE Mission:

All the way through the mission we have 1 player who just kept running off ahead. All the time giving us abuse saying: 'Your all way too slow'. 'Your taking too long to act like a team'. 'I am used to people working as a team far quicker than this'.
It was so funny. I wish I could have made him stop in RL and read what he was saying. The three others of us in the party were acting as a team. Keeping together, covering each other, bringing down monsters in an organised way. It was this lone-rogue who was not being a team member but slagging us off for not being in HIS team of 1. lol

In the end he ran off and died. We carried on the mission without him! lol. He quit before we completed the mission. We 3 went through to the next zone and he had to do it again! - Speed and Haste are not the same )

you always have the little button to not see his words. you could put him in your friends list and put to ignore him too

Well who cares about that someone screams at you like mad.
First of all, ff you suck in game dont say it. Second you can allways yell to in return.

I've been on both sides of the coin. I've yelled at people and I've helped them out. I have a few pep-peves, and if you touch on them I will tell you exactly what I think about it.

You think that's bad?

I was in a PUG last night and it was actually a very good team..for the most part.

We were making our way through 'the wilds' mission (Not the easiest one in the game.. ) and the only problem was our monk(Mo/N)...he just kept running into melee combat with the monsters and dying, ignoring us when we told him to stand back and heal.

At one point there were two paths, one with a lot of monsters, and a second road which lets you avoid them.

Our entire party took the second path, except for this monk who just decided to run into the monsters and lure them to us.

You really do have to wonder about some people...

hahahaha what a hero he was.

unfortunatley i've had many pve groups with morons like this in. There's teamwork, yes, and if you're not working as a team i understand people get annoyed; heck i do. But when these morons run off on their own, expecting you to rescue them when they end up in the middle of 12 enemies, or when tehy start saying "stop. wait. now you all do x action while i do this then when i tell you do this ..." and basically trying to take charge... ugh. and of course those same people usually end up saying "This group sux! you're a bunch of losers that cant play!" then they leave the game and your remaining group wipes out the area in no time at all.

sure i can understand swearing if you die. lol who doesn't?! but not swearing AT your team. and i hate when people die then say "rez" as if you'd leave them tehre. *rolls eyes* im not gonna leave them there, i need the fire power and back up. But you can't always rez straight away; maybe not enough energy or you're still in danger of death yourself.

thing is groups like these, i'll still never abandon them. I at least finish the mission with them, because if i leave they'll keep just mucking around and getting annoyed etc etc. Plus I hate people who just leave without a word. Sure if you have a good reason to leave, by all means let me know, thats fine! But when someone has a paddy and just quits, leaving us all in the shit... gee thanks mate Of course as soon as i get back to town i'll immediately say "gotta go afk a bit" and leave the group, then put them on ignore.

There's no point in reacting to these people though. I did the Wayward Monk quest with some. Oh jeeze... was that... er... interesting. The point between travellers vale and iron horse mines... we kept going back and forth between it. Someone would say "do this" and someone else would be halfway through saying "do that" then we'd go through, so we'd immediately be dragged BACK through so this person could finish their suggestion... then we'd go through and half the group would be under the impression we were carrying out the first tactic, and the others would be trying the second.

When we finally got it sorted out and actually worked as a team (after around 20 tries), the quest was stupidly easy and over in about 5 minutes.

I know that I say rez when I die. Now I ask nicely "Rez me when you can", but sometimes noobs dont even bring a damn rez sig.

Thats one of my pep-peves.

Or the classic up arrow..

"Rez pls"
"Rez pls"
"Rez pls"
"Rez pls"
"Rez pls"
"Rez pls"
"Rez pls"

Whilst everybody else in the party is still fighting...

(I have a lot of things to rant about when it comes to PUG's. )

I mean why?
Really... Why?
Please someone tell me why you don't bring a Res-Sig with you?
There must be a player out there that can tell me why they do PvP or Co-op missions without any method of Res at all. (solo is obvious! lol)
Come on...
I really want to know!
Maybe you have some stunning revalation that we all need to know!
Ah! Maybe it's like 'Hardcore' mode to some players. lol!

Hehe, I have to say it, spaming that is a another of my pep-peves

EDIT:this is about the rez plz spaming, another post snuck in there.

Yea I'd like learn about the "Why I dont bring a rez sig" state of mind, but I dont speak stupid

I don't bring a rez signet with me anymore.

90% of the time when shit goes down with my PUG my healers gonna panic and forget that he can heal. Since I seem to be the only person who understands "Protect the healer", I'm usually the first one in the group dead, while everyone else targets their own individual group of 4 mobs and chrages off in different directions, like a bottle rocket in the sky.

And then they spam party chat with WTF WHER WRE U GUYS?

I'd rather have Muffin, my trusty Melundu's stalker in that spot. Sure, I may not have any skills for her, but at least she'll never say WTF DO EVERYTHING I SAY NOOB!

Im sorry guy, but not taking a rez sig is one the more absent minded thing you can do. The pet you have does nothing, and you hae no real reason *not* to have a sig. You die first so what, if you get rezed then the monk dies you are that party's last hope.

Most of what is being posted here is the reason I use henchman. Found more bad PUGs then good and would rather take henchman. I know this does not work for PvP but PvE it is nice not to have to listen to some of the more immature players.

As others have stated, do not take it to heart, add to ignore if you are so inclined and move on. Do not let others ruin the game for you. Play it the way you feel, not that l33t players way.

you didn't lose your match because ONE person didn't focus fire the called target. that guy was just looking for something to bitch about cause he lost.

Reminds me of a failed mission the other day. Team gets 90% of the way through, then the leader follows one set of guards while the prince heads off the other direction (getting himself killed, ending the mission).

Leader's response: "Thanks for wasting my time, again".

Odd how we were simply following his lead, but it's everyone else's fault...hmm.

People are bitchy when they lose, at least those prone to being jerks in the first place are. You shrug it off, add them to your list of people to never team with, and move on. He'll be a problem for his guild to worry about.

Aye, some poeple can't see their faults at all, but others don't seem to be willing to accept that some people care 'more' about some things than they may.

Also, people are bitchy when they lose, but get a bit kraizee when its due to players:
- not working as a team
- not following leaders orders
- seems to randomly attack targets


Anyway, we don't know the whole story here. Jarell mentions 3 previous battles they won and then losing the last. For all we know this player was continually not FF'ing...(which I infer as he hadn't noticed about the FF statement during fight #4, so may have missed in earlier in that fight or in the other battles as well) and finally in this battle the monk was turning the tide for the other team. So when the leader called on the team to FF the monk, they did, (hence the called FF), but the leader sees Jarell pull off to attack the warrior instead and then things go from bad to worse and they lose. In that frame of mind (considering the leader may have played a succession of PuG PvP battles with similar poor results or non-listening players), I'm not surprised he vented straight at Jarell...and to top it off, Jarell then replies with what I would consider a damn sarcastic and irritating remark "Calm down, it's just a game...".

Things tend to require a bit of balances: If you expect others to listen/respond to what you want "Calm down and don't insult you", then you have to be able to respond in turn and listen/change behaviour. Meaning pay attention, follow orders, work as a team?

Me? I don't I'd particularly want to re-group with that groups leader OR Jarell. But given the choice, I'd take the shouter rather than someone with a 'its just a game' attitude in PvP battles.

Better be careful who you yell at. Some of us quiet, mild-mannered party members have a whole storehouse full of standby l33t dOOd insults to publically humiliate any loud mouthed wannabe PvP hee-rows that start giving people unnecessary grief.

After today, I feel the need to speak out on this issue...

Now, like most people, I also feel that it is wrong to shout at people if they aren't getting it right. In fact, I made something of a mini-career out of being a newbie helper in Star Wars Galaxies for the past year and a half, taking them out to do missions, teaching them how to make money, and even teaching them complex things like crafting.

I tried PvP for the first time today in Guild Wars, random 4 vs. 4 arena. I went in for the first time and naturally I died a couple of times, but I knew how to do the basics such as attacking a called target and calling an appropriate target myself. The rest of my team also knew these basics even though they'd only played one day too. While newbish, I quickly became a productive member of my group, and we won at least 15 times in a row after that. We literally revelled in our newbness, and how despite it, we emerged victorious. We literally became so effective at communication and working together that we were accused of cheating multiple times.

Then we came up against a team who were better and more organised than us, and we all died. Both teams shared their "good game" congratulations while the timer ticked down, and we had fun reflecting on the pretty intense battle. We had fun.

Because we died, we all got thrown back to various districts in the "lobby" for the arena. I had to join a new team. The team I joined didn't know how to call targets or even stick together, but I could handle that as I had rezzing skills and I could give them tips calmly through groupchat. Well, it was peachy, until I noticed they were still doing it and not paying attention to team chat, and I was running out of energy constantly trying to rez them. I asked them politely in teamchat if they understood what I was saying, and in clearly English replies they told me to "STFU whining" and to "FOAD and stop bitching", which confirmed it wasn't simply a case of a language barrier.

We died, and I ended up in another team. The new team was a repeat of the last one, ignorant fools not willing to learn or even to listen. After watching them run in all directions being pounded on 2/3 vs. 1 and trying to rez them, we all died. This happened in at least eight more teams, with them being ignorant and/or telling me to stop bitching regarding my POLITE hints, and so I got mad and shouted, and I logged out.

For now, I have had my fill of retards in random-team PVP. I'm going to look for a guild instead so that I don't have to tolerate this trash.

In closing, to the original poster; What I'm saying is that being nice only gets you so far, there are an incredible number of absolute idiots out there who make people shout. If people are shouting at you, just do your best to make it clear that you're learning, just remember that they're probably only shouting because idiots and imbeciles have made them snap by ruining their team.

just in response to the rez sigent thing, I dont bring one either. Before you bring your expected "OMG WTF noob?!!!" response, let me point out that we have only 8 skills at any given time with which to use, and all of mine are reserved mostly for dmg.

My philosophy on this is that killing the enemy really really quick foregoes the need to rez in the first place, and wasting (in my view) a slot for what typically is a support class skill when I could put in another AoE is wasting dps.

If the entire party is getting wiped and depending on a nuker (im a E/Me) to save the day, something is wrong with the group dynamic.

I mostly take henchmen anyway, so a rez signet concerns me even less usually.

just my .02

Personally yes, ok in PvP you are out to win. But it IS only a game. Sure i hate losing. Just coz i think "it's only a game" doesn't mean im not gonna be a lil bit mad if i lose. But at the same time theres NO point in shouting at others. All you'll do is get a rep, no one will want to group with you and they'll all yell back. Or if they even bother to STAY in your group, you can wave bye bye to teamwork because NO ONE is gonna want to listen to you after you've had a go at them, even if you have a valid point.

Ok, so it's 'just' a game... but it still matters how you treat people. Real life, combat situation (dunno... police hostage situation or something maybe? *shrugs*) if you get mad at your guys and have a go at them they're not gonna be in a great mood, their teamwork will suffer and there goes ya hostage.

I haven't really had any bad groups for missions or quests, except people leaving, this was just when I tried a bit of PvP before logging for the night. I know I shouldn't take it seriously, but I still get really angry if someone just acts like a total asshat without any regard that maybe someone is new at this kind of thing.

And how do I get yelled at when I'm the only one focusing on the monk, I thought that was who you want to kill first :P

I did kind of mess with the person though, asking them if they wanted to join my guild after they were done yelling at me.

Actually, I was the ONLY person attacking the monk. And my asking them to calm down and saying it was just a game was only after a rapid string of insults flung my way.

I'm sorry to hear that you wouldn't want to group with anyone who makes a mistake. I know now to look for called targets but I guess I should be condemned for not knowing that in the first place.

If you could see who was behind the keyboard instead of an avatar, you probably wouldn't have to ask. Don't worry. The uber dude who chewed you out will have their lunch money taken away by the big kid tomorrow.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

No, its the day after next, tomorrow im scheduled for an atomic-wegie.

When people mess up consistently in real-life combat situations they get fired from their job or killed in the process.

lol well yes but it was the best i could think of shhh!

Simply put: people take games WAY too seriously.

Deaths happen in PVP... and coming out of a 3to1 winstreak, there's NO reason to start yelling at one-another.

Yelling at someone because you don't think they're playing their character/build properly is a sign of significant immaturity. If you see someone on your team make a terrible mistake, and it costs you a match, take them aside and tell them, reasonably.

It's not the end of the world, and NO SINGLE PLAYER is ever going to have a perfect PVP record... so get over yourselves, you haters.

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EDIT:

I don't PVP much in GW yet... because I want to become more familiar with the game first.

However, I used to play FPS games all the time, like MOH:AA and CoD:UO. I was damned good too, maintaining a constant 3:1 ratio of kills:deaths. Sure, sometimes an idiot teammate, running around near me - very loudly - would get me spotted as well, and subsequently killed. Sure, I would then scream profanities at my computer monitor... but I would simply msg them and say "Hey, remain quiet when you're near teammates please... so you don't get us all killed. Thanks." Very VERY rarely do I ever get a negative/immature "STFU N00B" styled response... most times I get a quick apology, and I notice the behavior cease.

Act like you would in real life. Picture everyone you play against as being a 7ft tall, 450lb muscle-head... would you, in real life, walk up to said individual and say "YOU &[email protected] N00B @$#HOLE!!! LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME!!!". No... you wouldn't... so don't let the anonymity of the internet lure you into being an asshat.