I recently purchased the Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard. While the macro keys work great for Guild Wars, the LCD is of course not supported. When I contacted Technical Support about future support, they stated they had no plans to support the keyboard at this time.
As we all know, the only way to get the developers to change anything is to all join together as players. If you use one of these wonderful keyboards, or plan on acquiring one in the future, please sign this petition. Hopefully we can grab their attention, and one day see the keyboard supported by a game we all love and enjoy.
Thanks,
Zeegen
Petition for Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Support *Please Sign*
Zeegen
pkodyssey
Logitech doesn't write the code for a particular game to work on the LCD. It has to be written in by the software developer, in this case NCSoft.
Zeegen
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Originally Posted by pkodyssey
Logitech doesn't write the code for a particular game to work on the LCD. It has to be written in by the software developer, in this case NCSoft.
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audioaxes
well what exactly do you want to be displayed in the lcd
EF2NYD
who actually looks at their keyboard when they're playing anyway??
Xue Yi Liang
I thought about getting a G15 but the macro keys are just too far out of reach - I'd sooner get a Saitek or Wolf Claw.
Laboheme
*sign* ^^
nic0008
would be a nice feature to have tbh
*signed*
*signed*
Linda Heartilly
/Signed.
It really sucks that currently the only way to do this breaks the EULA. :-(
It really sucks that currently the only way to do this breaks the EULA. :-(
Kanna Banrai
Add my name to the list. ^^
Snail From Hell
/signed I really really want this thing 
Ethelion
/signed
I would really much like GW support for that keyboard! =D
I would really much like GW support for that keyboard! =D
dragoniusx
/signed
levortex
/signed
btw: can someone give me the emailadress of a developer/or someone who created the game. i think i found a bug
btw: can someone give me the emailadress of a developer/or someone who created the game. i think i found a bug
soqed hozi
/signed
soqed hozi
btw, i have this keyboard, and am disappionted in gw's lack of support for gamepanel technology
soqed hozi
btw, i have this keyboard, and am disappionted in gw's lack of support for gamepanel technology
soqed hozi
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Originally Posted by EF2NYD
who actually looks at their keyboard when they're playing anyway??
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Josh
What exactly do you want it to say there..?
EternalTempest
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Originally Posted by Josh
What exactly do you want it to say there..?
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Missions - A counter timmer (up) or a "count down timer" depending what type of mission your doing.
General - Favor Status - The last "favor" message - X guild beats x takes/keeps favor for X
General - Only other thing I could think of is mention, what chapter (Tyria, Cantha, etc and what town / D your in).
Agree Engery / Health /skill bar changes to much to be looking at your keyboard to keep track of.
Maybe a "scrolling" option display your "title's" and where you stand on them.
Enko
Different chat channels.
Personally I would like to have separate windows for Guild chat, team chat, local chat, and whispers. Shunting one of them to the G15 would be nice
Personally I would like to have separate windows for Guild chat, team chat, local chat, and whispers. Shunting one of them to the G15 would be nice
Stockholm
There is to many gaming keyboards on the market for them to start adding support for all of them.
plus there is more inportant issues that need's addressing.
/notsigned
hmmmmmm macro + GW read EULA
plus there is more inportant issues that need's addressing.
/notsigned
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Tachyon
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
hmmmmmm macro + GW read EULA
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I've just read the EULA on the Guild Wars site and I didn't see anything about using keyboard/mouse based macro's in the game. Infact, the word 'macro' isn't even mentioned in the EULA!
Stockholm
"7. OFFICIAL SERVICE
You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Guild Wars, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement"
That covers Macros
You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Guild Wars, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement"
That covers Macros
Linda Heartilly
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
There is to many gaming keyboards on the market for them to start adding support for all of them.
plus there is more inportant issues that need's addressing. /notsigned |
1) How many gaming keyboards have an LCD display? Not many... Oh, and while we're at it, how many of those that have an LCD were versatilly designed to be capable of pretty much anything as long as a community could provide the necessary applet, contrarily to other LCD's being limited to only a few predefined options forever? Actually I forgot myself, remind me please, does it leave 1 or 2?
2) The time it'll take them is negligible. I quote myself from the GuildWars.GameAmp forums:
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It's already possible, in fact I already have a fully operational version here that displays health, energy, experience and gold. I just don't use it because it violates point 'C' in section 3 of the EULA by reading the required values from your RAM. All ANet has to do is make it so that the game provides this (or other) data to the LCD applet on request. |
They don't have to actually write the applet or anything, hell I'll do that myself!
Then I can give my own look, feel and layout to it aswell.
Tarun
/signed
sumasage
i would like this but i think there are better things to implements like build manager, increase storage space, auction house, etc... and like some one mention earlier, how often do you look at keyboard when playing? also it is not that bad to press H and click the title tab. Dont mean to flame or anything...just my 2 cents
Tachyon
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Originally Posted by Stockholm
"7. OFFICIAL SERVICE
You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Guild Wars, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement" That covers Macros |
It quite plainly states that you can't use anything "derived from or created for Guild Wars"! My keyboard and mouse weren't created for Guild Wars and certainly weren't derived from it, so therefore they don't fall under the EULA!
If you go aong with your train of thought, then you're saying that everyone using a keyboard and mouse that can be programmed with macros, and that's the majority of gaming mice and keyboards these day's, is breaking the EULA.
Linda Heartilly
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Originally Posted by Azagoth
I'm afraid it doesn't! Where does it state that I can't use a macro on my keyboard or mouse?
It quite plainly states that you can't use anything "derived from or created for Guild Wars"! My keyboard and mouse weren't created for Guild Wars and certainly weren't derived from it, so therefore they don't fall under the EULA! If you go aong with your train of thought, then you're saying that everyone using a keyboard and mouse that can be programmed with macros, and that's the majority of gaming mice and keyboards these day's, is breaking the EULA. |
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7. OFFICIAL SERVICE Guild Wars is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NCsoft at the Web Site. You agree to play Guild Wars only as offered by NCsoft at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Guild Wars may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorised by NCsoft, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Guild Wars, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars Accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so. |
First of all it's the software in this case, the actual G-keys on the keyboard aren't directly involved, it's the software that runs your predefined actions upon receival of the according G-key's scancode - the code transmitted from the keyboard to your motherboard when a key gets pressed.
So, that said, it also ONLY violates the EULA IF you actually use it to run code (which can be anything, keystrokes in this case) inside Guild Wars.
And it works this way with anything the EULA prohibits.
I have macro keys programmed, I have an LCD applet that reads data from certain memory addresses used by Guild Wars to store it's valuable to then it display it on my keyboard, etc... there's more I got here that potentially violates the EULA but no need to list everything.
Now to the point though.
Do I violate the EULA?
No, I don't, by having it on my HDD I do not violate the EULA, I only do if I actually use it.
handle
/signed X2 accounts :P
Enko
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7. OFFICIAL SERVICE Guild Wars is designed for official play only as offered through the Service by NCsoft at the Web Site. You agree to play Guild Wars only as offered by NCsoft at the Web Site and not through any other means. You further agree not to access, create or provide any other means through which Guild Wars may be played by others, as through server emulators. You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorised by NCsoft, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input. You acknowledge that you do not have the right to create, publish, distribute, create derivative works from or use any software programs, utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived from or created for Guild Wars, except that you may use the Software to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement. You may not take any action which imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure. You may not sell or auction any Guild Wars Accounts, characters, items, coin or copyrighted material, nor may you assist others in doing so. |
as far as i know, the main reason why the G15 doesn't work with Guild Wars is because it accesses the guild wars info in the ram and the protection that Anet has on Guild Wars detects this and will ban you for it.
Kaguya
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the G15 still requires human input for macros.
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including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.
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Zui
The EULA is vauge - it's supposed to be vauge. There's also a place in it where it mentions any sort of exploits. ANET has not banned anyone from using any exploit "bug" to my knowlege. The VoD Gate bug, and click-to pass bug in GvG are prime examples.
The fact of the matter is it can mean whatever ANET wants it to mean(or at least be argued as such), that is it's purpose. Heck, it could be even said that by using a mouse with a higher polling rate or higher DPI that it 'advantages your use of the service.' We can't expect everyone to use equal computers, monitors, keyboards, mice, and heck, even microphones for voice chat, can we? It could be construed as such.
However, there are two key phrases in the agreement, one is "...without human imput...," the other is "...derived from or created for Guild Wars...." I certainly know that my Mouse and Keyboard were designed for my operating system, not for my keyboard, and so were all the macro functions in the software for my mouse and keyboard. Guild Wars was designed for windows too? Was it not?
The fact is, regardless of what it says, as long as it is left vauge, or in this case hyper-technical, they can essentialy tie it up in court(if it even goes that far) until you run out of money. They win.
The fact of the matter is it can mean whatever ANET wants it to mean(or at least be argued as such), that is it's purpose. Heck, it could be even said that by using a mouse with a higher polling rate or higher DPI that it 'advantages your use of the service.' We can't expect everyone to use equal computers, monitors, keyboards, mice, and heck, even microphones for voice chat, can we? It could be construed as such.
However, there are two key phrases in the agreement, one is "...without human imput...," the other is "...derived from or created for Guild Wars...." I certainly know that my Mouse and Keyboard were designed for my operating system, not for my keyboard, and so were all the macro functions in the software for my mouse and keyboard. Guild Wars was designed for windows too? Was it not?
The fact is, regardless of what it says, as long as it is left vauge, or in this case hyper-technical, they can essentialy tie it up in court(if it even goes that far) until you run out of money. They win.
Linda Heartilly
The EULA isn't vague, people just don't try hard enough to understand it.
The G15 is said to stil require human input for it's macro's, only the first time when recording really, hitting the G-key aftewards is just the activation of the macro.
Let's get something very clear here.
Imagine that I recorded a macro (with delays included) that optimally activates skills 4, 3 and 7 in sequence.
Without much detail this macro just looks as follows:
Now let's have a look at if and if so when it violates the EULA.
It doesn't violate the EULA that I would have this configured.
It doesn't violate the EULA that I have a Logitech G15.
It doesn't violate the EULA that this macro would be stored on my HDD.
It doesn't violate the EULA that I would press the G-key.
It doesn't violate the EULA that the keyboard would then send the according scancode to my motherboard.
It doesn't violate the EULA that the Logitech Profiler would runs the macro.
But... IT WOULD violate the EULA that this macro (basically just a sequence of predefined actions) runs [u]inside the focussed and activated GW window[/B].
That is in this particular case, however the violation ofcourse occurs whenever a macro runs in the game, with the game as it's target window -regardless of whether or not it's focussed and / or activated.
The G15 is said to stil require human input for it's macro's, only the first time when recording really, hitting the G-key aftewards is just the activation of the macro.
Let's get something very clear here.
Imagine that I recorded a macro (with delays included) that optimally activates skills 4, 3 and 7 in sequence.
Without much detail this macro just looks as follows:
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- Keystroke "4"
- Delay
- Keystroke "3"
- Delay
- Keystroke 7
It doesn't violate the EULA that I would have this configured.
It doesn't violate the EULA that I have a Logitech G15.
It doesn't violate the EULA that this macro would be stored on my HDD.
It doesn't violate the EULA that I would press the G-key.
It doesn't violate the EULA that the keyboard would then send the according scancode to my motherboard.
It doesn't violate the EULA that the Logitech Profiler would runs the macro.
But... IT WOULD violate the EULA that this macro (basically just a sequence of predefined actions) runs [u]inside the focussed and activated GW window[/B].
That is in this particular case, however the violation ofcourse occurs whenever a macro runs in the game, with the game as it's target window -regardless of whether or not it's focussed and / or activated.
rancidbob
/signed
in connection with the whole macro issue, I contacted NCSoft about this, here is the whole case
Discussion Thread
Response (Donovan) 04/25/2006 10:59 AM
Hello Charles,
No problem at all. Thats why we are here!
Feel free to contact us again if you need anything else.
Regards,
Guild Wars Technical Support
Customer (Charles De Wit) 04/25/2006 10:56 AM
Thanks that answers the question, and DAMN you guys are quick, thank you very much for the quick response.
Response (Donovan) 04/25/2006 10:14 AM
Hello Charles,
The macros people get banned for are programs they run to fully automate characters. The 'macro' keys on the G15 would just basically be buttons you press instead of pressing something on the screen. You should have no problems with using the keyboard.
Feel free to contact us again if you have any other questions however.
Regards,
Guild Wars Technical Support
Customer (Charles De Wit) 04/25/2006 09:26 AM
I have recently purchased a Logitech G15 Keyboard, which has macro keys down the left hand side. After reading that some MMO's band people for using macros, I have been afraid to use these macro keys in Guild Wars.
Is it acceptable to use the macro keys to set up emotes and use the built in Guild Wars profile options??
Many Thanks
Charles De Wit
in connection with the whole macro issue, I contacted NCSoft about this, here is the whole case
Discussion Thread
Response (Donovan) 04/25/2006 10:59 AM
Hello Charles,
No problem at all. Thats why we are here!
Feel free to contact us again if you need anything else.
Regards,
Guild Wars Technical Support
Customer (Charles De Wit) 04/25/2006 10:56 AM
Thanks that answers the question, and DAMN you guys are quick, thank you very much for the quick response.
Response (Donovan) 04/25/2006 10:14 AM
Hello Charles,
The macros people get banned for are programs they run to fully automate characters. The 'macro' keys on the G15 would just basically be buttons you press instead of pressing something on the screen. You should have no problems with using the keyboard.
Feel free to contact us again if you have any other questions however.
Regards,
Guild Wars Technical Support
Customer (Charles De Wit) 04/25/2006 09:26 AM
I have recently purchased a Logitech G15 Keyboard, which has macro keys down the left hand side. After reading that some MMO's band people for using macros, I have been afraid to use these macro keys in Guild Wars.
Is it acceptable to use the macro keys to set up emotes and use the built in Guild Wars profile options??
Many Thanks
Charles De Wit
Vecte
/signed
michaelo123
What do you mean by lcd the little lights were it sys num lock etc etc???
FIDGAF
I have a G15 and I'm not really sure what you would want the game to display on it. I use the Timer and Countdown functions (newest drivers & software updates) for my Guild so that we know how long we have to finisih a mission to get "Masters".
If they can find a GOOD use for it I'd be happy but I think I'd still switch it over to Timer Mode during certain instances. If they build support for that where it would do something like that automatically it would be cool, but it's really not that hard to press the button.
/Signed
If they can find a GOOD use for it I'd be happy but I think I'd still switch it over to Timer Mode during certain instances. If they build support for that where it would do something like that automatically it would be cool, but it's really not that hard to press the button.
/Signed
Lonesamurai
Wolfclaw keyboard here...
Perfect gaming board -
/not signed
Perfect gaming board -
/not signed
1nfamouz
/notsigned #care @gamesurge.net
Linda Heartilly
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Wolfclaw keyboard here...
Perfect gaming board - /not signed |
causation
I have this keyboard, and bought it mainly for the G-keys. ANet should allow there use.
/signed.
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