I was noticing that most people hate necros (or so it seems). Very few actually accept them into a party. The same seems to be true of mesmers. I must either be in the wrong place or something?
Besides minion abilities, from what I've read, Necros have some of the best status inflecting abilities. Mesmers are great for Domination magic and inspiration magic keeps them going. Despite this, I have talked to a few friends who're are also either Me or N and they seem to have the same issues with getting into parties (even when they're at or 1 lvl below the highest in the party).
Thoughts?
Are Necros and Mesmers the scourge of Tyria?
xenoranger
Farin
This has been discussed way too much. But anyways, yes, they're usually left out by the common PUG who looks for the "Tanks" "Nukers" and "Healers" only. Rangers are left out as well. Flaw in the game i guess.
xenoranger
Sorry... I didn't see any other topics concerning this.
I've found rangers very useful since arrows are fairly strong and good distance attacks. Then I usually take an Me (hench) with me (if I can't find a player Me) to balance out the group.
Truth is that you'll get further with a balanced team than if you ignore certain classes (from what I've seen).
Though I'm almost lvl 16, I won't pretend to know everything, so I may be wrong.
I've found rangers very useful since arrows are fairly strong and good distance attacks. Then I usually take an Me (hench) with me (if I can't find a player Me) to balance out the group.
Truth is that you'll get further with a balanced team than if you ignore certain classes (from what I've seen).
Though I'm almost lvl 16, I won't pretend to know everything, so I may be wrong.
Elric_Of_Melbane
I've done some gaming with a Nerco and Mesmer. I'll take one of them over a Warrior anyday. I will also choose a Ranger over a Warrior. Brawn isn't everything people.
Looper585
If a mes or necro want 2 join my party i tend 2 accept them. They r both very useful porfessions 2 have in a party as both r very versatile and have some of the best skills in the game. However I think the main reason for necros and mesmers being shuned 2 one side is the fact that if u get a noob playing either profession then it can be disasterus while this isn't so much the case with other professions as they seem 2 be more noob feindly.
DeanBB
I like both on my teams, perhaps because I've played both and know what they are capable of? Perhaps the problem is the lack of visible results. The warriors attack and that is obvious, the elems throw magic around, the rangers shoot their arrows. Blood nukes and mesmer spells are for the most part unseen so it may not seem to the team like they are contributing.
If you hate the enemy necros and mesmers like I do then you would think more people would want one on their team!
If you hate the enemy necros and mesmers like I do then you would think more people would want one on their team!
xenoranger
I'd say using Rotting flesh is pretty visible (and bone creatures). But with Me, there generally isn't a noticable. I tend to use wells alot (either blood or I just gained suffering).
Oh well... I guess it's a lack of foresight on some people's behalf.
Oh well... I guess it's a lack of foresight on some people's behalf.
Kimo
I have a necro/warrior (Sabrina Blood), who is a great asset to any team. Not only do I have access to the best warrior skill but I always use horrors to assist me, making my party larger and more powerful.
I simply can't understand why anyone would not want a necro around.
In fact I've got up to Gates of Kryta with just henchies so far without any problems.
I simply can't understand why anyone would not want a necro around.
In fact I've got up to Gates of Kryta with just henchies so far without any problems.
Fye Duron
Necros, Mesmers, and Rangers are largely over looked by anyone who has not played one of these roles. I started the game as a Ranger and because of that I have learned the importance of the different classes. People need to start looking into making well rounded groups.
DeanBB
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Had to laugh!As a healing monk I find 9 points in Blood and well of blood and offering of blood to be well worth the investment.
Symira
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I simply can't understand why anyone would not want a necro around.
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I love my necro...playing at MM at the moment and having a blast..she's lvl 18 now and at sanctum clay...all the way with henchies with little or no problems. Interestingly though she has never had an invite to group....while my little monk (lvl 5 so still a baby) can't visit a town without a list of unwanted invites.
Silly thing is I know my necro..we have grown together, we might not do it the way others might, but we do it and win, and have fun too
My monk on the other hand is a mystery to me still...... so far we survive, but I am not sure why yet. Even when I point this out to those who invite me, making sure they know that I don't understand my role and how to play it yet, they still want me. I have heal and thats all they seem to care about...lol.My point is that the groups that would prefer my silly uneducated monk are probably the sames ones who wouldn't invite my necro and in my mind, it is they who are unenlightened and ulimately the losers
At the end of the day I am here to have fun...and so I never worry about it. When I find the right guild, with a mature attitude I will join and have fun with people but untill then it's me and the henchies. (they ain't as dumb as some make out..and certainainly not as dumb as some players I have met...*grins evilly*
DeanBB
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Ethrin Starseeker
Ominor Blackstaff
Or ping me if you get stuck in the upcoming missions, I'll come help if not already doing a mission with guildies.
And the game is much more fun with real people (no offense to the henchies intended!)
[edit] Just noticed your "sig" that you are in England. We have people all over, US, Canada, UK, Israel, Germany, Australia.
Former Ruling
Hulk Smash doesn't support Rangers, Mesmers, and Necromancers.
That would be - 2 Monks, 4 Warriors, 2 Elementalist groups.
Hulk Smash just steam rolls most PvE missions because Mobs...are just weak strategy wise compared to humans in PvP.
When in PvE do you have to mass interupt casters? never...When in PvE do you need enchantment stripping? never... Get the string here?
In PvE..you just don't "need" Mesmers, Rangers, and Necromancers...Yea..in Many cases they'd work twice as good as the trio..But people just want to steam roll the mission and who are the outposts full of? Warriors..
In contrast..Who are the big PvP classes? Necros...Mesmers...Rangers..
That would be - 2 Monks, 4 Warriors, 2 Elementalist groups.
Hulk Smash just steam rolls most PvE missions because Mobs...are just weak strategy wise compared to humans in PvP.
When in PvE do you have to mass interupt casters? never...When in PvE do you need enchantment stripping? never... Get the string here?
In PvE..you just don't "need" Mesmers, Rangers, and Necromancers...Yea..in Many cases they'd work twice as good as the trio..But people just want to steam roll the mission and who are the outposts full of? Warriors..
In contrast..Who are the big PvP classes? Necros...Mesmers...Rangers..
Nisshoki
Blood is Power is a very useful skill (also blood ritual, well of blood, etc) especially if you are in a nuke group that uses alot of energy. Also necros are useful for Iway teams in pvp.
Zobi
Necros seem to be required a lot in later PvE, and many groups ask for Necros in their SF farming groups, as well as in UW or FoW.
Mesmers are hard as hell to level.
If i am helping a guildie through co-ops and see a mesmer or ranger hanging around, unable to get a group, I always invite them along for the ride; having completed the game with both these classes, I appreciate the difficulty one has in being accepted into groups.
Mesmers are hard as hell to level.
If i am helping a guildie through co-ops and see a mesmer or ranger hanging around, unable to get a group, I always invite them along for the ride; having completed the game with both these classes, I appreciate the difficulty one has in being accepted into groups.
Carinae
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When in PvE do you have to mass interupt casters? never...When in PvE do you need enchantment stripping? never... ..
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However, in general, you are correct.
M3lk0r
Read the last line:-
Symira
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Originally Posted by DeanBB
That's us: Wizardry Players Guild. Mature, casual, PvE guild, working through the game together, whatever you want to play. Look me up (add to friends list, 2 accounts):
Ethrin Starseeker Ominor Blackstaff Or ping me if you get stuck in the upcoming missions, I'll come help if not already doing a mission with guildies. And the game is much more fun with real people (no offense to the henchies intended!) [edit] Just noticed your "sig" that you are in England. We have people all over, US, Canada, UK, Israel, Germany, Australia. |
Would be nice to play with real people, I guess I miss the chatter and laughter..the henchies are great..but they really don't appriciate my humour..and old sour face steph just doesn't approve of my humour at all...I can tell:P
4runner
Ilike mesmer, necro, and rangers, i will allow them to join my group always,i never take more than 1war. in pve that is all you need!
Kinda off topic:
I bet my ranger can do more damage per sec than a warrior could do with any warrior elite skill,(pure warrior no sec.) i am a pure ranger no 2nd profession. Im sure this has been provin be4, lets find out?
Humbly,
ign Maximus Aragonist (R)
Maximus Aragon (W)
Kinda off topic:
I bet my ranger can do more damage per sec than a warrior could do with any warrior elite skill,(pure warrior no sec.) i am a pure ranger no 2nd profession. Im sure this has been provin be4, lets find out?
Humbly,
ign Maximus Aragonist (R)
Maximus Aragon (W)
Digital Bath
I've noticed that the hate or w/e you want to call it towards necros rangers and mesmers is getting to be less and less. Last night I was doing the Ring of Fire mission and 2 people left (a ranger and warrior) leaving my mesmer, a necro, and 2 warriors, along with the 2 healing henchmen. We went the back way, so lots of casters. Well, needless to say I think I got complements from everyone in shutting down almost every caster using Migrane and Arcane Conundrum, then throwing in a Guilt and Diversion. Those annoying little lava imps were just sooo cute...when they weren't nuking our brains out.
Vhayr
My Mesmer is only up to Divinity Coast, and I've only been invited into a random team once or twice (first time was, coincidentally, an all Mesmer team). My Guildmates understand just how good a Mesmer can be, and I think it says something when one of the most respected members of your Guild is a Mesmer.
Dzan
With nuking now much less useful than it used to be, minion necros are now one of the most useful pve classes you can have.
Cartoonhero
^^i still have fun nuking, it just takes a nuker with more brain cells than a rock to do it(unfortunatley, alot of them dont meet this requirement.), and a good tank to draw aggro onto him.
anywho, back on topic.
i always accept mesmers and necros and rangers into my party.
-mm and battery necros are the best!
-i love watching an enemies health bar degen in a nice purple color with a mesmer around.
-rangers have great traps and preps, and a good one can pull like none other.
-you never really need more than one tank in pve, if he is a good aggroer, one tank makes the monks job easier( it also helps that the casters and other squishies know to stay back when casting)
anywho, back on topic.
i always accept mesmers and necros and rangers into my party.
-mm and battery necros are the best!
-i love watching an enemies health bar degen in a nice purple color with a mesmer around.
-rangers have great traps and preps, and a good one can pull like none other.
-you never really need more than one tank in pve, if he is a good aggroer, one tank makes the monks job easier( it also helps that the casters and other squishies know to stay back when casting)
Sir Skullcrasher
Mesmer are fun to play with and with my Mesmer Ivy.. she make mission easy and fast. Mesmer have abilities to drain health, slow enemies down, steal health or energy and interrupt like mad. I notice that with my mesmer i can get through mission faster than my tank.
Teufel Eldritch
I play both Necro & Mez & my Necro by far gets the most invites....by FAR. I'm thinking that Necros get more groups than Rangers do, but alas I have no Ranger expierence to back that up.
As for Necro types...plz do not pigeonhole Necros(or any profession for that matter). They are more than just Batteries or Minion Masters. There is much, much, much, more to a Necro that just pumping up your mana or creating a Gimpy Army.
As for Necro types...plz do not pigeonhole Necros(or any profession for that matter). They are more than just Batteries or Minion Masters. There is much, much, much, more to a Necro that just pumping up your mana or creating a Gimpy Army.
Ellix Cantero
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As for Necro types...plz do not pigeonhole Necros(or any profession for that matter). They are more than just Batteries or Minion Masters. There is much, much, much, more to a Necro that just pumping up your mana or creating a Gimpy Army.
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Makkert
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I was noticing that most people hate necros (or so it seems). Very few actually accept them into a party. The same seems to be true of mesmers. I must either be in the wrong place or something?
Besides minion abilities, from what I've read, Necros have some of the best status inflecting abilities. Mesmers are great for Domination magic and inspiration magic keeps them going. Despite this, I have talked to a few friends who're are also either Me or N and they seem to have the same issues with getting into parties (even when they're at or 1 lvl below the highest in the party). Thoughts? |
Anyway, necro's are awesome. And so are mesmers. But yes, getting into parties may be hard. I suggest you start parties yourself, or play with guildies.
Don't have better advise then that....sorry.
Denny Pace
Anyone who does any serious HoH or GvG understands that a good necro or mesmer is an incredibly valuable addition to their team. In combo, certain necro and mesmer builds can completely disrupt an opponent, whether that be through e-drain, taint, damage or interruption, or a combination thereof. Ask your monks sometimes why they are having such a difficult time protting or healing in matches against teams with skilled necros and mesmers....
Karls Bronson
I'll take the pepsi challenge against any elementalist using my necromancer. You will always find a niche with your friends/guildies.
Red Sonya
Yes because Necros and Mesmers are basically "support" characters, they aren't well known for "instant damage" which in tournaments is very important. That's not to say they aren't great support characters, but, most people are melding their primary "instant damage" characters with these support 2ndaries. Like Ele/Mes or Ele/N or Mo/N or M/Mes or W/Mes (my choice) or R/N or R/Mes 
So a puriest Necro or Mesmer even with a instand damage 2ndary is not as good as a primary instant damager. Sorry, you're just built mainly for the adventure game, that is all.
So a puriest Necro or Mesmer even with a instand damage 2ndary is not as good as a primary instant damager. Sorry, you're just built mainly for the adventure game, that is all.
Ellix Cantero
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Yes because Necros and Mesmers are basically "support" characters, they aren't well known for "instant damage" which in tournaments is very important. That's not to say they aren't great support characters, but, most people are melding their primary "instant damage" characters with these support 2ndaries. Like Ele/Mes or Ele/N or Mo/N or M/Mes or W/Mes (my choice) or R/N or R/Mes
So a puriest Necro or Mesmer even with a instand damage 2ndary is not as good as a primary instant damager. Sorry, you're just built mainly for the adventure game, that is all. |
xenoranger
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How come these threads pop up regulary? Is this because teenagers are insecure of themselves the moment they have a hard time finding a group in a virtual game? :shrugs:
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Peewee
i play ranger for most of the time in PvE, and i have so much trouvble getting into a PUG. ppl dont seem to rate rangers at all, unless they have played as one, i have played all classes, and i know them all to be equal in abilities. the difference is that monks eles and warriors are soo easy to play. playing as a necro mesmer or ranger actually require some thought. personally i think rangers are the hardest to playt right, as their style of play is so much different from evry1 elses.
I have seen plenty of rangers just simply not playing the right skills effectively, and as a result rangers as a whole are give a bad rep. i rate mesmers and necros well above warriors, especially since the person who messes it all up is generally a warrior. The reason rangers, mesmers, and necros are sometimes left out of a team is becuase they have a bad rep as a profession. to those that dont rate rangers necros or mesmers, i say to them, play some gvg, meet a ranger spike team, a degen necro /blood wells or a energt stealing mesmer and then rate them, they are very effective profs when played right, but really suck, as with any prof, if they are played wrong. its a shame that more ppl play them wrong than right.
I have seen plenty of rangers just simply not playing the right skills effectively, and as a result rangers as a whole are give a bad rep. i rate mesmers and necros well above warriors, especially since the person who messes it all up is generally a warrior. The reason rangers, mesmers, and necros are sometimes left out of a team is becuase they have a bad rep as a profession. to those that dont rate rangers necros or mesmers, i say to them, play some gvg, meet a ranger spike team, a degen necro /blood wells or a energt stealing mesmer and then rate them, they are very effective profs when played right, but really suck, as with any prof, if they are played wrong. its a shame that more ppl play them wrong than right.
Volcoms Shadow
My first character was a Necro, second was a ranger. people in the game now "need" as many warriors, eles and monks as are in the town at that time. The only missions i got a group easily was the desert missions(interupting the monk bosses) and the Ring of Fire series(winter). I agree with the idea that certain classes are much more newb freindly. While people can't a ranger/necro/mesmer well thus thinking that the classes suck. That has been my view.
The Acolyte
Ummm...my two cents, Necro's and Ranger's kick a--. Of course, I think all the classes do and enjoy grouping with all...it's some of the people I don't enjoy gaming with...
Zobi
The way I see it is:
If people are not intelligent enough to realise the worth of these classes, are they really the kind of people you wish to group with in any event? *SHRUG*
If people are not intelligent enough to realise the worth of these classes, are they really the kind of people you wish to group with in any event? *SHRUG*
Esprit
Players tend to be very visual. They can see a monk healing, they can see a warrior hacking away, and they can see an Elementalist doing damage. Even rangers have something to show for.
But a Necromancer (unless you create minions) and Mesmers don't have a lot to show for, even though that's not true.
If a spellcaster suddenly drops about 1/3 of its health, the non-informed player will assume it was a damage spike by the elementalist, because that's the most logical. Who'd think that the massive damage spike came from a Mesmer with Backfire?
Or, if you are not getting as much damage loss, your monk must be doing a good job. Or it could be that your Necromancer slowed the enemy attacks down with Shadow of Fear?
Maybe Mesmers and Necromancers should spam all the skills they use, so that the uninformed player realizes that the Necromancer and Mesmer help a lot.
But a Necromancer (unless you create minions) and Mesmers don't have a lot to show for, even though that's not true.
If a spellcaster suddenly drops about 1/3 of its health, the non-informed player will assume it was a damage spike by the elementalist, because that's the most logical. Who'd think that the massive damage spike came from a Mesmer with Backfire?
Or, if you are not getting as much damage loss, your monk must be doing a good job. Or it could be that your Necromancer slowed the enemy attacks down with Shadow of Fear?
Maybe Mesmers and Necromancers should spam all the skills they use, so that the uninformed player realizes that the Necromancer and Mesmer help a lot.
lg5000
when I put my Mesmer through this game, I had some problems getting into teams... however, that was partly because this particular character was created in the image of a rp character outside of GW and has a major attitude problem, partly, it's the time of day I actually play in.
However, using the family account a few month later, I created a mesmer for the hell of it, and she's had no problems from the word go to find teams for just about anything.
So I think that the attitudes of people have changed and we now have a better understanding of the fact that 1-2 monks is enough, that 1 warrior who can tank is a monks dream and that eles can't do as much damage as they wish they did.
Last time I felt bad about my interupt mesmer not doing any damage was in fow. When I pointed out that I felt usless, the monk turned around and pointed out that I was stopping damage from occuring to us, guess I made his job easier? I dunno, was good to know that someone saw what I was doing as valuable.
And the most frustrating thing? Advertising for a mesmer to be in your group! They're never around.
However, using the family account a few month later, I created a mesmer for the hell of it, and she's had no problems from the word go to find teams for just about anything.
So I think that the attitudes of people have changed and we now have a better understanding of the fact that 1-2 monks is enough, that 1 warrior who can tank is a monks dream and that eles can't do as much damage as they wish they did.
Last time I felt bad about my interupt mesmer not doing any damage was in fow. When I pointed out that I felt usless, the monk turned around and pointed out that I was stopping damage from occuring to us, guess I made his job easier? I dunno, was good to know that someone saw what I was doing as valuable.
And the most frustrating thing? Advertising for a mesmer to be in your group! They're never around.
Fantus
When I play in PUGs I ALWAYS take my Mesmer. Why, you might ask - it's hard to even find a group, isn't it?. Yes it is. But my Mesmer NEVER ended up in a bad group. Idiot players wouldn't take her in because they all think she sucks. Mesmers are the best "find a good group" strategy ever invented. 
Hot Dead
It seems to me that as you progress, necros and rangers get more and more desired (specially in grenths/sorrows, RoF, and Thunderhead Keep). But mesmers, as I've seen, dont get many invites. When I lead a group, I accept any prof., and I will take a Me/Mo over a Mo/Me anyday, and a necro over a warrior and a ranger i desire as much as a spellcaster (long range+interupts when needed).
My necro is always the last one to go down, and no1 ever steps in my 21 sec +6 regen. well of blood
When I play ranger (I am a N/R) im also the last one to go down, seem to be ignored by the melee enemies
I never played mesmer in post searing, but when I watched my cousin play, he was the best nuker (Me/E Inspiration= 12+, Fire Magic=12, and FC=6+), when he has 12 FC and a 20/20 fire staff he can pull a meteor without a bar, he always went down around the same time as the monk.
For all you other necros,mesmers, or rangers, stick to henchies if you reach lvl. 20 before southern shiverpeaks, you will be accepted (rangers especially)
My necro is always the last one to go down, and no1 ever steps in my 21 sec +6 regen. well of blood
When I play ranger (I am a N/R) im also the last one to go down, seem to be ignored by the melee enemies
I never played mesmer in post searing, but when I watched my cousin play, he was the best nuker (Me/E Inspiration= 12+, Fire Magic=12, and FC=6+), when he has 12 FC and a 20/20 fire staff he can pull a meteor without a bar, he always went down around the same time as the monk.
For all you other necros,mesmers, or rangers, stick to henchies if you reach lvl. 20 before southern shiverpeaks, you will be accepted (rangers especially)