+40% axe better than HoD?

art_

art_

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

bah. ah well, i bought earlier so i didn't spend too much on grips.

But then i didn't have very much to spend...

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

To everyone that now complains about the fact that the 40% axe will be taken out:
Do you really think its fair to gain an unintended advantage? And not just a small advantage,this was in no way good for gamebalance. The HoD sword is a different case in that it didn't overwrite any 'gamelaws', but was used in a different way then probably expected (not claiming to approve of the decision made by ANet how to handle the HoD sword), but this axe was wrecking every enchantment skill. For long term balance, this was the best decision. Anyone hopping in when Chapter 2 came out would else be in an inferior position to long time players if they nerfed it like HoD sword.

So you spend a lot of money on it? And you had NO idea that this could possibly be nerfed? I do not believe it, sorry. The possibility of it being nerfed has been explicitly mentioned on this forum multiple times. And even if you didn't read that, you could have had a gutfeeling this was not intended. Its a shame that you lost a large amount of money, but what is more worth: gamebalance or your virtual money?

Now, if you want to complain about paying to much, be my guest.
*grabs popcorn*

~ Makkert the Mediocre Meany

Lord Mendes

Lord Mendes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Derka-Derka Land

Steel Phoenix (StP)

E/

i feel sorry for the people that invested some huge amounts of plat on these. SELL THEM ALL FAST!!!! however people r still selling 18 percent enchant grips for 60k in europe (not a diss i swear i have nothing against europeans) so im guessing only half the people that r following this trend r aware of Gaile's "warning".

drogrin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

sell them fast? that would just mean that someone else will lose a lot of money, b/c you screw him.
thats no solution.

maybe Anet replaces each bugged axe with 100k gold? :P

D3file

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

In Your Face Gaming

Mo/Me

i broke even

The Yoink

The Yoink

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Knights of the Ring

Mo/W

Parades for A-net, the axe is gone! Why do I care, you ask? Well, no more:

"WTB: Axe Grips of Enchanting 15-20%, whisper me price"

spammed in EVERY single district in EVERY single town ALL the time..

allience

allience

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

well it better get nerfed since i just sold mine for same price that i bought =/

koneko

Site Contributor

Join Date: Sep 2005

38??16′ N 140??52′ E

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
All I can say is, do not spend a lot of money or a lot of time trying to get this axe, for it will be gone shortly. And yes, speaking to Mike O'Brien tonight, I believe that "gone" means both newly generated as well as previously generated versions. In other words, this Uber Axe of Doooom will turn into a Nice But Normal-ish Axe in the very near (I'd say within 24-48 hours) future.
Best. Update. Ever.

So glad I didn't get caught up in the hype and frantic "WTB AXE GRIP MODS PST ME!!!111shiftone1" fever. All I've actually lost due to this "SoA axe" has been...an hour or so of my time.

Xunlai Master

Xunlai Master

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Serenity Temple

W/

Hey Gaile Gray, can u pls ask arenanet to let us keep the customized items?? i used 62 ectos (i wasted like 2x 10/10 n 4x 30hp cos i didnt know how to make 60hp axe) on perfect upgrades.. not to resell for profit but to keep, cos i like this game.

i customized all the axes i made. can we at least keep the customized ones?

Or at least keep the hp modded ones?? HOD axe is still around u know. i can live without 40% enchant axe.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
All I can say is, do not spend a lot of money or a lot of time trying to get this axe, for it will be gone shortly. And yes, speaking to Mike O'Brien tonight, I believe that "gone" means both newly generated as well as previously generated versions. In other words, this Uber Axe of Doooom will turn into a Nice But Normal-ish Axe in the very near (I'd say within 24-48 hours) future.
Thank you SOOO much for doing this. I faced a couple of monks in PvP the other day that were running almost continuous enchantments.

Props to you A-Net!!!

jray14

jray14

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

NC, USA

Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zakarr
40% last longer hammer isn't so good because you can't use artifacts or any off-hand items. Losing +12 energy and few other mods is pretty bad.
That is a trivial inconvenience for an experienced player. Simply switch to your hammer every time you cast an enchantment and then switch back to your normal weapon set. It's quite easy if you optimize your keyboard layout.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fade Away
I'm kinda upset about losing tons of gold.
You knew that it was a gamble when you invested the gold in these items. That's why they were so expensive...for the risk that ANet would nerf them.

You lost the bet. I'm a gambler in real life, but I don't complain when I lose.

jray14

jray14

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

NC, USA

Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xunlai Master
u can make 40% enchant axe by puting 2x 20% enchanting on..

but how do u make 60hp axe???? i put 30hp n made 55hp axe, then i put another 30hp on 55hp axe n got 30hp axe..
I did the exact same thing. Except I was a total noob and thought I'd get a 85hp axe. But you need to add a junk mod before you add the fortitude mods, and then it works. Or maybe add the junk mod in between the fortitude mods, I can't remember. It doesn't matter now in any case, since its days are numbered.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

60HP axes don't exist, only 55HP axes. Even the HoD axe, if I remember correctly, had an inherent +25 HP mod on it, not a +30. So, you put one grip on it and whammo - +55 HP.

Xenrath

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

Quote:
You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask a Question' at http://support.guildwars.com.
http://www.guildwars.com/legal/rules-of-conduct.html - point 18.

Only an idiot is going to argue about this one. It's blatantly a bugged item (not the same as Hod crafter items)

Hells Vengeance

Hells Vengeance

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Eight Deadly Sins

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by MistressYichi
This is my exact comment:

WTS 39% enchanting axe. wisp offer

that was all. I was expecting to get maybe 30-40k for it just simply because of the enchanting grips. I was never asking for the price i recieved for it
Wow if your expecting it to be that low can I buy one from you fro 40k!

jray14

jray14

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

NC, USA

Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetdoc
60HP axes don't exist, only 55HP axes. Even the HoD axe, if I remember correctly, had an inherent +25 HP mod on it, not a +30. So, you put one grip on it and whammo - +55 HP.
LOL, just because you haven't made one yourself doesn't mean it doesn't exist . In fact, I believe there are screenshots of 60hp axes in this very thread, and the instructions on how to do it are in my previous post a few above this one.

wolver1ne

wolver1ne

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hells Vengeance
Wow if your expecting it to be that low can I buy one from you fro 40k!
Mind asking you.. WHAT FOR? If you have extra 40k you want to throw away I would love to pick it up from you. Why spend money on something that will be deleted.

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hells Vengeance
Wow if your expecting it to be that low can I buy one from you fro 40k!
like i said i didnt know what they were going for and didnt really care. you want my 38% one, ill sell it to ya for that seeing as in 24-48 hours its gone anyway......

Xenrath

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

Just a thought: everyone who has been selling/buying/using this axe (with a view to modifying it as described/selling it modified) has been breaking the rules of conduct. Just be glad Anet aren't throwing bans around (not that they won't, they might still do...)

Katch

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

I'm sure there is probabally something mildly profound to say about it being nearly Christmas and having our toys taken away...

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

I sure hope they don't start swinging the ban-stck. I'm guilty. I'll admit it. I had to see if it really added up to +40% or not. Add in Blessed Aura and my prot enchants were lasting almost 2x as long. My jaw just dropped.

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Theres a vast majority of people that have them/use them. hopefully the ban stick will stay on the shelf

Xenrath

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

Well a few hundred people don't count as the vast majority (in a game of millions of customers). The point is made though, nobody is in any position to complain about what Anet does from this point onwards, since they set the rules before you even bought the game.

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Shopping List Friday Afternoon at the Chinese Market:
18% Grip x 6 = 18k
19% Grip x 3 = 16k
20% Axe (salvage) = 5k

Selling a Quest Reward with a couple of enchanting grips... Priceless

Yeah, I made a lot of money with this...

Hell Marauder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

I bought grips on Saturday and sold my enchant axe on Sunday, after knowing this item will significantly unbalance pvp. There is a fine line between an item that gives a slight advantage and one gives too much power, especially one that's made by players themselves and not by ANET.

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

Capitalism ftw, eh?

Sharpe_116

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Adventurers Society

Mo/W

The only thing im consered with now is. Will a-net really start banning?? considering that more than 80% of gw's population has contributed to this glitched axe.... Would they really destroy their whole population? and the other thing.... when are people going to realize this is a quest item??? i see people selling the axe plain for 25k, 23k. a-net should not DISCONTINUE. SHOULD NOT. because then the prices will fly through the roof for the axe. They should not take it outa the game and leave all these players who played 200k+ in the dust....... so what should they do? nothing..... since absoulutly evryone can get this axe... why discontinue it? everyone has the ablility to get it. its not gold or anything, takes 30 min? so whats the problem. Its not unbalanced since everyone can get it, its not over powered cuz everyone can get it.... the only problem i see is pvp, and that can ezily be fixed by adding a pvp +40 enchant or +55 health axe as a weapon :S

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

NOW THAT IT DOESNT MATTER.......A SECRET

to all who spent hours doing the *DEFEND THE WALL* mission to get the *SCAVENGERS IN THE RUINS* quest for the axe

ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS TALK TO SQUIRE ZACHERY AND GO BACK FOR THE AXE QUEST.

THAT was Tyduses quest NOT the mission.

15-20 minutes turn around and a quick run (level 1-2) to the sanitarium and back out to the guy without a fight

Lord Mendes

Lord Mendes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Derka-Derka Land

Steel Phoenix (StP)

E/

I hope they dont ban any1 for this. Can u imagine all the elite gw players get banned because they bought a few enchant grips.

EDIT: By elite i mean those of u that bid thousands of ectos on perfect crystalines and that have abt 9 rank.

Xenrath

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

Oh come on, where did you make up that 80% figure from? The majority of players won't have it, and certainly not with double enchantment mods. Quite frankly the majority could not/cannot afford it. It's a bug. It's broken. It has been and is being exploited. Not how it's supposed to be. The ones who spent a lot of money on it knew full well they were paying/gambling on this exploit. Why else would they pay such extreme amounts if they didn't realise it was going to be clobbered?? They gambled and they lost. Anet would be very much in their rights to swing the ban stick around, and would be right to do so (read the rules as quoted above). As I said just be happy and glad they're not going down that path (that we're aware of, not confirmed yet)

Axe grips formerly worth 10-15k suddenly selling for 100k+ in a day? Modded version selling for up to 900k in some cases? Not even John McEnroe would question this one.

jray14

jray14

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

NC, USA

Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpe_116
The only thing im consered with now is. Will a-net really start banning?? considering that more than 80% of gw's population has contributed to this glitched axe.... Would they really destroy their whole population? and the other thing.... when are people going to realize this is a quest item??? i see people selling the axe plain for 25k, 23k. a-net should not DISCONTINUE. SHOULD NOT. because then the prices will fly through the roof for the axe. They should not take it outa the game and leave all these players who played 200k+ in the dust....... so what should they do? nothing..... since absoulutly evryone can get this axe... why discontinue it? everyone has the ablility to get it. its not gold or anything, takes 30 min? so whats the problem. Its not unbalanced since everyone can get it, its not over powered cuz everyone can get it.... the only problem i see is pvp, and that can ezily be fixed by adding a pvp +40 enchant or +55 health axe as a weapon :S
It's more complicated than that. You can add ANY two grips to the SoA axe. So you could have a HP+30 Armor+5, or an Armor +10 axe, etc. So the PVP system would have to be extended to allow you to choose any two grips for a mid-range damage axe. And that's just plain silly . Plus there's the similarly bugged Ascalon maul, and probably other weapons that just haven't been publically revealed yet.

Sharpe_116

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Adventurers Society

Mo/W

well i still tottaly dis-agree with the whole idea of banning everyone . btw, would anyone mind reffering me to a link of the rules of a-net and guild wars lmfao??? i cant decide if i should delete all my axes before a-net does something

Lord Mendes

Lord Mendes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Derka-Derka Land

Steel Phoenix (StP)

E/

i just sold mine (only had 1). No use keeping it since u know it is going to be modified and it might get u in some trouble with A.net.

Hell Marauder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Banning people? Nah, you don't ban people who put food on your table and gave you your paycheck. ANET only ban people who pose as a serious threat to the public. Just remember we are the reasons ANET exist, not the other way around. So don't get paranoid about banning.

CKaz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2005

and you got that # how, a popular thread on a board?
I got a couple of the quest axes just in case Anet left them in the game but didnt allow you to get it any more (alla HoD) which I think would have been a mistake. In general they seem to do a good job but they can goof up

it's obviously a bug, overpowered, and was going to get removed.

banning could apply to those who profited and/or used this (modded enchanted) axe but probably too many have touched this to make that viable.

but there's sooo many more casual players, those who didnt have the cash, or really care to jump into the exploit the haft game.

I'm glad Gaile spoke up about it now. As for the market game, some played and won [big], some played and lost [big] - but either way you had to know the risk was huge. Some just sat back and now have a good chuckle too


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpe_116
The only thing im consered with now is. Will a-net really start banning?? considering that more than 80% of gw's population has contributed to this glitched axe.... Would they really destroy their whole population? and the other thing.... when are people going to realize this is a quest item??? i see people selling the axe plain for 25k, 23k. a-net should not DISCONTINUE. SHOULD NOT. because then the prices will fly through the roof for the axe. They should not take it outa the game and leave all these players who played 200k+ in the dust....... so what should they do? nothing..... since absoulutly evryone can get this axe... why discontinue it? everyone has the ablility to get it. its not gold or anything, takes 30 min? so whats the problem. Its not unbalanced since everyone can get it, its not over powered cuz everyone can get it.... the only problem i see is pvp, and that can ezily be fixed by adding a pvp +40 enchant or +55 health axe as a weapon :S

Lord Mendes

Lord Mendes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Derka-Derka Land

Steel Phoenix (StP)

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpe_116
a-net should not DISCONTINUE. SHOULD NOT.
hmm..

Why not?
should they just keep an axe with 2 hafts (or grips lol, not sure which)

Lord Mendes

Lord Mendes

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Derka-Derka Land

Steel Phoenix (StP)

E/

haha 49 people watching the live downfall of the SoA axe!
I love gw

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fade Away
Well this sucks.
Now I'm down about 40-50k and I can't sell them because everywhere I got some idiot yells at me to tell me I'm stupid.
I'm kinda upset about losing tons of gold.

*sigh*


stop your whineing already.

according to your other post you make 50k in one day.

BFD on your loss

capitalist

capitalist

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by dansamy
Capitalism ftw, eh?
Capitalist = Capitalist