Ok this is about partying in UW.
Everyone paid their due for entry then we start same as usual....everything going fine then all of a sudden you notice you aren’t getting healed as much (and being the tank this is a big problem). After everyone is killed you suddenly see that while you have been concentrating on the battle, the monk had p!ssed off and started farming!...no amount of requests of heal me were answered for anyone and I think this is dishonest and a waste of other peoples time. We all had no choice but to leave. IF YOU WANT TO SOLO FARM THEN PAY YOURSELF AND STOP WASTING THE GROUPS TIME AND MONEY YOU IDIOTS!!!
I lost a lot of good drops as well because of the last particular monk who did this and refused to heal anyone and I started to take names (which i think is really unfortunate and should be un-necessary) incase I have the misfortune to ever party with them again. Whats worse I think he actualy drew agro on us on purpose so we would die but I cant be sure.
This happened to anyonelse?
An Increasing Unfortunate Occurrence
Battle Torn
Antisocial
All the time, thats why I'm mostly asking if i can a monks armor and to call their health, cant help it if he gots a 2nd set of armor though..
unienaule
You could nearly eliminate the probem by never allowing Mo/W's in your group.
Hockster
This has been happening for as long as solo monks have been farming UW. The newest version is a duo team agreeing to take a newb in to "learn" so long as the newb pays the fee. Guess who dies within 20 seconds?
The game is full of cheats and thieves. You need to approach virtually everyone as if they are just that.
The game is full of cheats and thieves. You need to approach virtually everyone as if they are just that.
Roza
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The game is full of cheats and thieves. You need to approach virtually everyone as if they are just that.
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Numa Pompilius
unienaule is right - just don't take Mo/W's. There's little reason for a healing monk to be Mo/W. Also getting them to call their health is a good idea.
Antisocial
Well i can spam a fake message of health in like 2 seconds, or a '55 health monk' pretend to be afk and types slow..
That why u could ask to see their armor to check for sup runes, the only problem u have then is that if they have a 2nd armor set, you can't really detect it.
That why u could ask to see their armor to check for sup runes, the only problem u have then is that if they have a 2nd armor set, you can't really detect it.
coolsti
So this scam that these monks are pulling, it only works if they are Mo/W? That would be good to know, because then I won't take any unknown monks into a UW group that have W as second profession.
But I mostly do UW as trapper without any monks. However, on one of my first tours there, I joined a group led by a W/R. I was a UW newby so I didn't ask any questions, but the jerk asked for 250g entrance from the 5 others in the party! He basically was there for a free ride, as his low energy and lack of expertise didn't allow him to set many traps.
But I mostly do UW as trapper without any monks. However, on one of my first tours there, I joined a group led by a W/R. I was a UW newby so I didn't ask any questions, but the jerk asked for 250g entrance from the 5 others in the party! He basically was there for a free ride, as his low energy and lack of expertise didn't allow him to set many traps.
Hockster
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No, you shouldn't in most cases (except when trading, of course), as that sort of player is a minority. The best thing to do about it: find a nice guild and play with them and with friends. And if you do find yourself teamed up with strangers and one of them does something like that, either shrug or take some screenshots and report him. I am sure this sort of behaviour is against the rules somehow and if most of your team does this (and other teams that fall victim to this sort of scam file reports on that monk too), he or she will likely be banned.
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If I took the time to screenshot and report every attempted scam, I'd never have time to actually play. Probably 50% of the trades I've been involved in end up with some sort of scam attempt. It's quite sad actually.
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unienaule is right - just don't take Mo/W's. There's little reason for a healing monk to be Mo/W. Also getting them to call their health is a good idea.
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unienaule
Yes, 99% of soloers in the UW who try to mooch off you will be Mo/Ws. That's just the way it is. I'd be very suprised if you took a group of 2 Mo/Ws down and they actually healed.
Kabale
My solo monk is a Mo/Me O.o
Arcane Echo ftw.
But seriously, there's no way to tell. Most solo monks do have two sets of armor.
Arcane Echo ftw.
But seriously, there's no way to tell. Most solo monks do have two sets of armor.
Battle Torn
next time I'll watch for this happening and before I die I'll run, then I'll just run a few mobs into him while he farms, watch him die and pick up his loot 
we have to make it difficult for these people who are wasting our time and cash.
we have to make it difficult for these people who are wasting our time and cash.
Vhayr
I'm a Mo/W and...I'm either Healing or Protection when I go to the UW. I never get any invites anymore (most probably because of the whole Mo/W thing), but luckily my Guild always ask for me . I think it's slightly unfair to think that ALL Mo/W's are 55hp Monks. Fine, I use that build in the Desert but not when I'm grouped with people. You could also say that every Mo/E is a 55hp Monk, since I often see the Augury bots with that particular class combo. Mo/Me is just as feasible.
. I think it's slightly unfair to think that ALL Mo/W's are 55hp Monks. Fine, I use that build in the Desert but not when I'm grouped with people. You could also say that every Mo/E is a 55hp Monk, since I often see the Augury bots with that particular class combo. Mo/Me is just as feasible.
erezsol
Though I believe the story, I dont quite understand the purpose.
As a monk enters the UW for farming with 7 other played, the loot splits between the whole 8 players, even if they've all already died. Hence, that's not the greatest way to farm...
As a monk enters the UW for farming with 7 other played, the loot splits between the whole 8 players, even if they've all already died. Hence, that's not the greatest way to farm...
Vhayr
erezsol, the idea is that they sneak off to the Smites whilst everyone else dies, then they just wait for the drops to become public.
Battle Torn
yes... also they use the group to pay entry for them and not fork out themselves for a solo farm, wasting the rest of the groups time and money so thay can farm.....otherwise why not just go solo by themselves?
I think some M/Wo farners have difficulty with the ataxe's or whatever and use the group to clear a way so thay can farm smites of whatever it is they farm....I think it must be easier that way or something?
I think some M/Wo farners have difficulty with the ataxe's or whatever and use the group to clear a way so thay can farm smites of whatever it is they farm....I think it must be easier that way or something?
coolsti
Yes, from reading other threads, I think that is the current situation. Anet did some tweaks which makes it difficult or impossible for a solo monk to get past the Axtes. Perhaps those low HP pop up creatures, what ever they are called, nightmares or something, that maybe remove all enchantments leaving a solo monk quite open for a beating.
This is a very good reason for Anet to seriously consider the kick party member button, which has been discussed extensively in other threads. Probably Anet would do this if there was a way for it not to be abused (also discussed heavily in those threads). Of course kicking the monk out of the party would make continuing impossible or extremely difficult, but at least the solo monk would not be able to benefit from the scam.
This is a very good reason for Anet to seriously consider the kick party member button, which has been discussed extensively in other threads. Probably Anet would do this if there was a way for it not to be abused (also discussed heavily in those threads). Of course kicking the monk out of the party would make continuing impossible or extremely difficult, but at least the solo monk would not be able to benefit from the scam.
aron searle
IT was funny when someone tried to do this in my team when i was the other monk.
He aggrod loads to get us killed, but luckily it was a good team and only 2 died (1 being him, hehe), we figured out what he did when we tried to res him and he died straight away, but we then proceded to clear out a chunk of the area and just left him dead, A team that works well together should be ok with only 1 monk in UW.
He aggrod loads to get us killed, but luckily it was a good team and only 2 died (1 being him, hehe), we figured out what he did when we tried to res him and he died straight away, but we then proceded to clear out a chunk of the area and just left him dead, A team that works well together should be ok with only 1 monk in UW.
Navaros
I always keep a close eyes on the monks right off the bat and if I see any of that nonsense going on I activate the first quest before anyone is ready for that, and everyone dies. They don't like that too much. Serves them right I say.
sirelricthemad
As an Imonk farmer thats Mo/W most of the time, I feel its a little unfair to never allow Mo/W's into your party. Granted, it's understandable, but I just wish there was a way to see your party members skill bar or somesuch before leaving. Not only would it prevent this sort of thing happening again, but it would also help in co-ordinating groups in other aspects of the game, IE missions like Thirsty River etc where teamplay is essential (and would allow us to teach new players that frenzy is not exactly a wonderful skill to use all the time... :P) My monk is Mo/W most of the time for farm runs in UW, but sometimes I get sick of the monotony of soloing or 2-manning that I like to find a group. Needless to say that I've been rejected for quite a few already, even when I go and switch my secondary back to a mesmer or an ele. :P We aren't all bad evil scammers.
On a side note I've been on the receiving end of this scam as well. I ended up popping around districts and towns screaming that the scammer was giving out free sigils to the first person to PM him. I hope he got spammed.
On a side note I've been on the receiving end of this scam as well. I ended up popping around districts and towns screaming that the scammer was giving out free sigils to the first person to PM him. I hope he got spammed.
Rabid Weasel
It's sad to say, but yes most people are now kicking Mo/W's, i do and i'm a monk myself. Best bet is to ask to see their armour and to ping their health.. This is easy to over come but it's a start. Then as soon as you zone into UW look at the skills they cast on themselves. If Mending and Balthazars Spirit go up, then they are almost most deffo a 55 cheating [email protected] Then that's when you type to the group what's happening, before drawing all the aatax's, and make all the nightmares pop up then get the quest... Does the 55 monk in.
Mysterial
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erezsol, the idea is that they sneak off to the Smites whilst everyone else dies, then they just wait for the drops to become public.
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That'd also fix the issue where in a PUG you die in battle normally after some valuable item is dropped for you and the rest of the group refuses to resurrect you until it becomes available and one of them steals it.
Battle Torn
I think you should be given the option to take your drops when you leave UW or FoW.... same way you do after completing a mission, that way you can just leave and take your drops with you ... still annoying but at least its something and those greedy M/Wo dont get their grubby hands on your stuff
btw I do think it unfair on the other M/Wo who arent scamming this way to be left out of Pugs, but then again rather that, than wasting more time and more money
... still annoying but at least its something and those greedy M/Wo dont get their grubby hands on your stuff btw I do think it unfair on the other M/Wo who arent scamming this way to be left out of Pugs, but then again rather that, than wasting more time and more money
Vusak
or an easier temporary fix:
simply make grouping any Mo/W conditional on them paying the entry fee between them.
then after completing the first quest, you pay them back so everyone has put in equal.
buy trust with trust or something
simply make grouping any Mo/W conditional on them paying the entry fee between them.
then after completing the first quest, you pay them back so everyone has put in equal.
buy trust with trust or something
koneko
This is the reason why I've stopped going with PUGs to UW - because the party leader simply will not listen when I tell him to kick the Mo/W that is an obvious asian farmbot.
Never accept blind join requests from a shady looking monk (obvious spambot name), ever, especially when you haven't advertised for one at all.
Never accept blind join requests from a shady looking monk (obvious spambot name), ever, especially when you haven't advertised for one at all.
IMehler
Happened to me once. We had a smith monk in UW, who didnt rez us and then he continued alone.
Anonther time is was different. The whole group was against me, didnt heal me and told me to leave. They wanted to tell me, how i have to do my job. This is real unpolite since everyone plays another style.
Anyhow here is what they did. First the protection monk did remove life barrier. Then the monks didnt heal me. Then the always shouted at me unfriendly things. But i can be pigheaded. I followed the group and helped fighting. I didnt die and got 2 ectos. The group got nothing. The good guy(s) win at last.
Anonther time is was different. The whole group was against me, didnt heal me and told me to leave. They wanted to tell me, how i have to do my job. This is real unpolite since everyone plays another style.
Anyhow here is what they did. First the protection monk did remove life barrier. Then the monks didnt heal me. Then the always shouted at me unfriendly things. But i can be pigheaded. I followed the group and helped fighting. I didnt die and got 2 ectos. The group got nothing. The good guy(s) win at last.
Mavrik
Was doing Dragon's Lair with a bunch of people, one of which I knew and could count on, the others were random people that we invited when spamming "LFG" No sooner did we start then a warrior (not all warriors are bad as I'm one and have never done this) starts spamming "give me a sword or I won't do anything to help you guys."
We didn't give him a sword and as soon as the first boss was killed, he ran through the portal while the monks in the group were trying to cap the elite. Of course before we could yell at him on the other side of the portal, he had dropped from the game. What an prick. But we all got the elite because the skill window follows through the portal if you have completed the cap spell.
We didn't give him a sword and as soon as the first boss was killed, he ran through the portal while the monks in the group were trying to cap the elite. Of course before we could yell at him on the other side of the portal, he had dropped from the game. What an prick. But we all got the elite because the skill window follows through the portal if you have completed the cap spell.
remmeh
my monk is Mo/W and constantly switches between 55, passive prot (barrier+bond), active prot, and full-out healing setups. please don't bash the Mo/W.
reason: i don't use any of my secondary for my passive prot, active prot, or healing builds! WHAT A REVELATION! get a clue.
reason: i don't use any of my secondary for my passive prot, active prot, or healing builds! WHAT A REVELATION! get a clue.
Yichi
Simple fix to this is to have the monks ping their health before hand and what weapons they have. if they dont, we boot them from the party. if we go in and find one of them is a farmer, we take the quests and aggro everythign to the monk and get him killed asap.
Xenrath
Just have health show as a number within the Party health bars. How hard can it be for Anet to put that in? There's no reason why anyone would want to have their health number hidden...
Battle Torn
Good idea... that would fix things
Juhanah
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This has been happening for as long as solo monks have been farming UW. The newest version is a duo team agreeing to take a newb in to "learn" so long as the newb pays the fee. Guess who dies within 20 seconds?
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I still never visited those place because NPC don't follow.I've learned to not trust people in games by having 2 account hacked and lots of item stolen in another game. That's basically why im alone most of the time in Guilwars. When i get in a group, it always have something wrong such as people insulting everyone, people sitting and waiting for you to finish the mission, people quit as soon as they die and people waiting to revive others to steal the drops.
Barinthus
I'm a Mo/W and I wouldn't do this to people. It's not fair to me that I'm lumped with the rest of those lying moochers.Battle Torn - I like your idea of people being able to retain their drops after quest has ended or whatever. It'd solve a lot of issues and reduce the likehood of people picking up their drops while they should be helping the rest of the group fighting off mobs that has been swarming them.
ghezbora
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Hockster
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But why would you take Mo/W for healing/prot? Just switch your secondary whenever you're not playing solo, problem solved.
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Piler Of Corpses
Well I got a 55mo/w. Its a solo farming buil, made for (drums...) solo farming! And I go (drums...) solo! I rarely do it though, especialy since the aoe patch. After that my guildm8 and I would chase the aatxes into corners with balthas turned on Idiots. Quite a laugh though.
Anyways since i do have another armor set (smart eh?) my guildmates and I (the 5 of us) wanted to do some FOW. We decided to take another 3 ppl, and this monk/war answers our call by saying that hell pay the fee (!) if we go to UW. Fine by me. Before I was even connected there were 3 or 4 aatxes hacking away at the unsuspecting pcs, and me of course. We of course all died except for the monk. I couldnt survive even with time to prepare because the build is quite different when going to heal party members (doh). The monk (being a solo farmer) went on to solo with us lying in the dirt. I just watched in disbelief for a while and bizzarely when I finally asked him WTF he said he's a Chinese scammer monk (!?). Note that HE payed the fee.
Idiots. Quite a laugh though. Anyways since i do have another armor set (smart eh?) my guildmates and I (the 5 of us) wanted to do some FOW. We decided to take another 3 ppl, and this monk/war answers our call by saying that hell pay the fee (!) if we go to UW. Fine by me. Before I was even connected there were 3 or 4 aatxes hacking away at the unsuspecting pcs, and me of course. We of course all died except for the monk. I couldnt survive even with time to prepare because the build is quite different when going to heal party members (doh). The monk (being a solo farmer) went on to solo with us lying in the dirt. I just watched in disbelief for a while and bizzarely when I finally asked him WTF he said he's a Chinese scammer monk (!?). Note that HE payed the fee.
unienaule
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i don't use any of my secondary for my passive prot, active prot, or healing builds! WHAT A REVELATION! get a clue.
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LaserLight
Doesn't matter what their secondary is. Doesn't matter how often they ping their health. Doesn't matter how often you force them to let you check their armor. With the way the game is currently set up, there are no totally reliable ways to identify Underworld scammers. Something ought to be done, since as has been pointed out, this relatively miniscule proportion of the population is absolutely ruining it for anyone who could possibly be 'another damned scammer'.
What I want to know is why it's such a big goddamned deal for these a**holes to avoid paying their 1K entrance fee. They are solo farming one of the most profitable areas in the game; 1K a run should barely be a speedbump to them. Hell, one lousy Ecto and they're set for the next ten runs. It's disgusting that people can get so analy, destructively greedy over such a relatively tiny amount of money...
What I want to know is why it's such a big goddamned deal for these a**holes to avoid paying their 1K entrance fee. They are solo farming one of the most profitable areas in the game; 1K a run should barely be a speedbump to them. Hell, one lousy Ecto and they're set for the next ten runs. It's disgusting that people can get so analy, destructively greedy over such a relatively tiny amount of money...
lg5000
Yup, best advice is to never accept a blind invite from a Mo/W or Mo/m. Don't know how many times I have to point out to the team that these characters are solo monks there to ruin our fun.
For all you monks out there... if I'm asking for a monk, the easiest way to avoid me jumping to conclusions about the /w is to whisper me
For all you monks out there... if I'm asking for a monk, the easiest way to avoid me jumping to conclusions about the /w is to whisper me
Barinthus
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But why would you take Mo/W for healing/prot? Just switch your secondary whenever you're not playing solo, problem solved.
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However most of the time when there's a more suitable tank in the group (warrior for instance) or there's no healing monk I go full healing and rarely use my secondary.