No matter how you look at this its all about stategy.
If you copy my build and then face me with it I will know exactly what weaknesses to exploit while you have no idea how to run it.
Builds are not everything strategy is.
Spec mode good or bad?
twicky_kid
icemonkey
The winner of courtyard and Halls are more cerebral. You have to size up your build against hte others formulate a stragetegy to hold altar the whole time or to run in and cap at the end. Its just not random. If one team yer up against in courtyard is ranger spike, you cap right away, cuz even in yer hero dies, you know ranger spike can interrupt a hero for 10 straight minutes. There are times when you lose for dumb reasons or you get teamed up against, but thats part of what makes hall of heroes what it is. You have to be prepared for EVERYTHING. Thats what makes the builds hard to come up with. Tombs would be way more dominated by one single build if the variety of levels was gone, The altar maps are what prevent IWAY from winning non stop, they cant protect their hero.
As far as the pvp bugs, yeah trapping on top of bridge hurting people below is the most aggregious error. That should have been fixed before this game hit stores.
As far as the pvp bugs, yeah trapping on top of bridge hurting people below is the most aggregious error. That should have been fixed before this game hit stores.
Ensign
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3. If the "top Guilds" can't beat IWAY or MF, then they are not really top Guilds. Not even close.
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There are times when you lose for dumb reasons or you get teamed up against, but thats part of what makes hall of heroes what it is.
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Peace,
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icemonkey
I lose more on relic runs than altar maps.
One time when we beat a top 50 guild they started yelling this is guild wars not guild run. I agree, but thats the way it is
One time when we beat a top 50 guild they started yelling this is guild wars not guild run. I agree, but thats the way it is
tomcruisejr
observer mode is good coz we all see who are the good players and bad players.
i also agree that its not the build that matters. it's the players who execute the build.
and why only the top 100? i think they should make it top 200 or top 300.. watching the same guilds fight is boring..
i also agree that its not the build that matters. it's the players who execute the build.
and why only the top 100? i think they should make it top 200 or top 300.. watching the same guilds fight is boring..
Roza
Great going Anet. 
Sure, this will level things a little, but that is no big deal. It may reduce the number of players running random Pug builds and encourage FOTM builds ('As seen on Obs)', but this may also lead to more evolution in the HoH.
Sure, this will level things a little, but that is no big deal. It may reduce the number of players running random Pug builds and encourage FOTM builds ('As seen on Obs)', but this may also lead to more evolution in the HoH.
twicky_kid
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observer mode is good coz we all see who are the good players and bad players.
i also agree that its not the build that matters. it's the players who execute the build. and why only the top 100? i think they should make it top 200 or top 300.. watching the same guilds fight is boring.. |
Chev of Hardass
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So if a bunch of scrubs copy a build so well that they learn the in's and out's of it, to the point of beating top tier teams with it then what is the problem? That shows observer mode is going to make people want to practice and to think. If scrubs are really interested in not being scrubs anymore then how can you complain about that?
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Vusak
yah the scariest part of gw now is how you look as an individual player under observer mode.
but on the other hand, you can get some decent feedback through it, looking at yourself 15mins ago and seeing what you needed to do differently and what you did well and should keep doing.
ie. i noticed a single monk keeping his team up just through purely excellent prekiting, i said so in observer chat, and he was there and said thanks hehe
so yeah it has the power to improve everyones game i think.
but on the other hand, you can get some decent feedback through it, looking at yourself 15mins ago and seeing what you needed to do differently and what you did well and should keep doing.
ie. i noticed a single monk keeping his team up just through purely excellent prekiting, i said so in observer chat, and he was there and said thanks hehe
so yeah it has the power to improve everyones game i think.
generik
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Not to public... only to the other team who may not even be given the chance to see all of your players and their skills
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Sereng Amaranth
Think about this reality. Top guilds run a decent build for a few weeks. Mediocre guilds copy the build to use in battle. While this is happening, the top guilds are using a smurf guild to develop another build that actually counters the build they were 'giving' to the mediocre guilds.
hedfukt
hedfukt
semantic
Welcome to GW 1.0
Antisocial
Would like to see the ability that u need to pay faction to see a battle.
Instead of people just watching it unlimited, even the ''newbs''
POPCORRRNN, and other fastfood for the movie..FTW
But back to the point, how can you become good in GW, how can you seperate yourself from other good players?
Good weapons?nah..
Making up good builds by yourself..?nah...
Using teamplay and timing?I guess, but every1 can learn that in a short period of time..
Instead of people just watching it unlimited, even the ''newbs''
POPCORRRNN, and other fastfood for the movie..FTW
But back to the point, how can you become good in GW, how can you seperate yourself from other good players?
Good weapons?nah..
Making up good builds by yourself..?nah...
Using teamplay and timing?I guess, but every1 can learn that in a short period of time..
Zobi
I spent all day yesterday watching GvG battles, (the tomb ones bored me), until I decided, in the middle of the night, I really should get on with the Xmas quests. 
I paid particular attention to watching Mesmers, Rangers and Monks, and I can honestly say the builds they use are no different, (maybe one slot difference sometimes), to how I set up my skill bar.
I am not saying I am as "uber" as the top 100 guilds, in any way shape or form, but it goes to show that one can think along the same lines as them. The difference in rank comes with, in my humble opinion:
a) Voice Comms
b) Practice, and frequently playing together.
I think it was great to watch the different setups, and how the great guilds go about their business; I was also astonished to see that not all of these top guilds are amazing, and some made elementary mistakes and poor decisions.
It truly is compulsive viewing.
What's a Tele again?
EDIT: The know-it-alls in the Observer Chat crack me up.
I paid particular attention to watching Mesmers, Rangers and Monks, and I can honestly say the builds they use are no different, (maybe one slot difference sometimes), to how I set up my skill bar.
I am not saying I am as "uber" as the top 100 guilds, in any way shape or form, but it goes to show that one can think along the same lines as them. The difference in rank comes with, in my humble opinion:
a) Voice Comms
b) Practice, and frequently playing together.
I think it was great to watch the different setups, and how the great guilds go about their business; I was also astonished to see that not all of these top guilds are amazing, and some made elementary mistakes and poor decisions.
It truly is compulsive viewing.
What's a Tele again?
EDIT: The know-it-alls in the Observer Chat crack me up.
Yichi
I love observer mode. its quite addicting. I actually got to talk to a couple ANET devs in one last night. Good times. The onyl proplem i have in them is the people that ive met from off here and peopel that know me from being in there from having pvp'd with them or against them, or other guilds that know us.... i ran out of room on my friends list.... 
good times
good times
Former Ruling
I've seen the top Korean teams get smashed by Euro no-name teams, and have seen Guild battles where top ranked guilds get it handed to them by noname guilds with ranks in the 700-800s or higher.
All of this I would assume is making these top ranked's work harder, and making us not see them in ..quite so "goddly" a manner..
Its easy to say [Team X] is high rank or whatever, they must be making these creative builds and owning..and its totally different to actually see them..and their running Common IWAY in tombs at about a 50/50 success rate, or their fighting guilds 700 ranks behind them most of the time.
All of this I would assume is making these top ranked's work harder, and making us not see them in ..quite so "goddly" a manner..
Its easy to say [Team X] is high rank or whatever, they must be making these creative builds and owning..and its totally different to actually see them..and their running Common IWAY in tombs at about a 50/50 success rate, or their fighting guilds 700 ranks behind them most of the time.
Orbberius
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Welcome to GW 1.0
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Sagius Truthbarron
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Welcome to GW 1.0
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Rusty Deth
lol best strategy I saw so far...
One Guild made themselves look like n00bs so 2 of their teammates could get at the guild lord while the other team was thinking they were winning.
I need Team Speak. lol
One Guild made themselves look like n00bs so 2 of their teammates could get at the guild lord while the other team was thinking they were winning.
I need Team Speak. lol
Jormund
Hopefully Observer Mode teaches all its viewers the horrors of Err=7, and then maybe we could get some spiffy support behind reconnects or something.
Sagius Truthbarron
Or helps them learn to play.
knives
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I spent all day yesterday watching GvG battles, (the tomb ones bored me), until I decided, in the middle of the night, I really should get on with the Xmas quests.
I paid particular attention to watching Mesmers, Rangers and Monks, and I can honestly say the builds they use are no different, (maybe one slot difference sometimes), to how I set up my skill bar. I am not saying I am as "uber" as the top 100 guilds, in any way shape or form, but it goes to show that one can think along the same lines as them. The difference in rank comes with, in my humble opinion: a) Voice Comms b) Practice, and frequently playing together. I think it was great to watch the different setups, and how the great guilds go about their business; I was also astonished to see that not all of these top guilds are amazing, and some made elementary mistakes and poor decisions. It truly is compulsive viewing. What's a Tele again? EDIT: The know-it-alls in the Observer Chat crack me up. |
Top guilds = top guilds because of their coordination with each other and their tactics on certain guild halls or tombs maps.
Kai Nui
what if you discovered the 55 monk build? would you let anyone watch you just because you were killing stuff all by yourself in the under world? I think not. You might tell your friend, but they might leak it, and then poof, everyone knows it and for a time you were actually good. When you're doing GVG against someone, that's one thing, but letting people just blatantly look at really good builds just so that they can steal them... bad idea. People can counter you easily.
AncientPC
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Quoted for truth. How many air ele spells can you take that are original to a certain build? Orb, then followup with enervating/strike. Same for most other builds as well.
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WTF? Am I not supposed to use eneverating / strike / orb anymore?
twicky_kid
Also shows how crappy the matching system is. Don't know how many times I've seen Unranked guilds vs 50+ rank guilds.
VGJustice
I think that the observer mode is a good thing. I was watching the top ranked guild doing a guild battle tonight, and I was simply amazed by their co-ordination. They were using 2 Rangers with a spike build (which I had never seen in action before). I just sat there and watched these 2 players perfectly co-ordinate their actions. Aside from learning the build (which is in and of itself useful), I also learned a thing about Ranger Spike. If I had a better connection and TS, I'm pretty sure I could learn to do that. Even better, I learned a bit more about Guild Battles.
I say, if people can learn the game better from the Observer mode, then won't that make the game better overall?
Oh, and a side note about the observer chat: It's extremely funny when the guys from one of the groups jumps in and starts screaming "LOOKIT THAT GUY (refering to themselves)! HE'S JUST OWNIN THEM!"
Ecks Dee, good buddy.
I say, if people can learn the game better from the Observer mode, then won't that make the game better overall?
Oh, and a side note about the observer chat: It's extremely funny when the guys from one of the groups jumps in and starts screaming "LOOKIT THAT GUY (refering to themselves)! HE'S JUST OWNIN THEM!"
Ecks Dee, good buddy.
Funk_Styles
i love and hate obs mode
love: i get to see some intertaining gvg battles
i dont fight in tombs so i get to see what its like in there
people who just got stomped comming back to give commentary
hate (this list is much longer, but doesnt mean i hate more then i love obs mode:
people asking stupid questions, dont these people know how awsome the internet is?
people complaining people watching are gonna take builds, like the newbs are gonna become uber by stealing builds
people asking what guild theif does
people asking what a guild lord does
people asking what the flag is for
people asking what the repair kit is for
people yelling at the guilds fighting like they can hear them
people asking what a smurf guild is
people asking why there are so many w/me and w/e and no wammos
people asking what iway is (thats just uncalled for, who possibly havent heard iway before by now?)
people asking what pressure builds are
people asking what ranger spike is (almost as bad as asking about iway, these people honestly scare me
and last and by far the worse PEOPLE BASHING THE GUILDS FIGHTING LIKE THEY ARE POSSIBLY EVEN CLOSE TO BEING AS GOOD AS THE GUILDS FIGHTING, shut up people you are a complete newb compared to the top 100 guilds
love: i get to see some intertaining gvg battles
i dont fight in tombs so i get to see what its like in there
people who just got stomped comming back to give commentary
hate (this list is much longer, but doesnt mean i hate more then i love obs mode:
people asking stupid questions, dont these people know how awsome the internet is?
people complaining people watching are gonna take builds, like the newbs are gonna become uber by stealing builds
people asking what guild theif does
people asking what a guild lord does
people asking what the flag is for
people asking what the repair kit is for
people yelling at the guilds fighting like they can hear them
people asking what a smurf guild is
people asking why there are so many w/me and w/e and no wammos
people asking what iway is (thats just uncalled for, who possibly havent heard iway before by now?)
people asking what pressure builds are
people asking what ranger spike is (almost as bad as asking about iway, these people honestly scare me
and last and by far the worse PEOPLE BASHING THE GUILDS FIGHTING LIKE THEY ARE POSSIBLY EVEN CLOSE TO BEING AS GOOD AS THE GUILDS FIGHTING, shut up people you are a complete newb compared to the top 100 guilds
Krugz
Well I used to play lots of FPSes and the spectator mode made finding out how a good player works easier, but it still takes skill and dedication to master the actual handling. In otherwords, people might figure out how to do it, but it's still up to them on how well they do it. I think it's a good idea, maybe there should be like a "guild preferences" when creating or managing a guild and you can just check a box that disables spectator mode on your guild though.
Big.Wayne
Hi,
I like observer mode. It allows someone who plays guild wars like me (PvE) to get an idea of what PvP is like. I have played this game for 4 months and I only have one character (W/Mo) so it's interesting to see some new skills in action. .
I think that people who are worried about their *precious* builds being stolen need to realise it's not *your* build
"Oh no!, my uber-leet build is stolen. . . Boo Hoo!"
I like observer mode. It allows someone who plays guild wars like me (PvE) to get an idea of what PvP is like. I have played this game for 4 months and I only have one character (W/Mo) so it's interesting to see some new skills in action. .
I think that people who are worried about their *precious* builds being stolen need to realise it's not *your* build
"Oh no!, my uber-leet build is stolen. . . Boo Hoo!"
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
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I love observer mode. its quite addicting.
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So addicting I dont think there will be hangouts anymore...
sambotheman
its a good idea from Anet and works quite well and as other people have said 2 teams could have the exact same build but they could both use it very diffently so copying builds isnt really a problem
it also does show the poor matching system (i watched the rank 3 guild win over 1000 ranked guild in less than 5 mins)
it also does show the poor matching system (i watched the rank 3 guild win over 1000 ranked guild in less than 5 mins)
yangster
Don't think good match ups will actually be good. I saw a rank 4 vs 3 yesterday, oh boy, rank 4 team got ganked quickly, and most of or all of rank 3's team were there, and lost in 3 mins.
Yichi
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Guess who is also in there? Me and all the WAMOs from marhans; its deserted in there...
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but i dont like being in observer mode as much anymore. 90% of the people in observer mode know absolutely nothing about the worthless garbage that comes flying from them trying to talk like they know what PVP is.
example: (watching an IWAY vs a balanced build vs a spike in alter match in halls)
Observer 1: OMG how did they get here with no monks
Observer 2: the red team needs monks
Observer 3: OMG u guys are noobs, any good team can win with no monks
Observer 2: no, i beat the game 5 times and win halls
Observer 4: Wheres halls?
Observer 1: OMG u nub, learn to pvp
Observer 5: IWAY FTW!!!! they gonna pwn jooz
Observer 2: Dude i know how to PVP, im rank 14
Me: ...
Teufel Eldritch
I discovered in the first few seconds the very first time I went into ObMode to turn off chat. Now I watch the game & everything is nice & quiet. I instantly got turned off by the idiots in chat soooo... NO MORE CHAT.
If I really want to talk to someone there is always whisper & guild chat.
If I really want to talk to someone there is always whisper & guild chat.
Carinae
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well at least now my female chars can sit in grotto and talk with friends and not get humped on every 5 seconds...
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When I'm observing, I usually follow a single person for a while. I wish I could see the person being targeted by my observee.
And how much damage they were doing, too.
I can see what skills they are using, and hence I can figure out their build. But I would rather follow the strategy by seeing who they are casting on and how much it hurt.
I want total exposure for both teams. Just like I was watching football/basketball on TV. The only thing that should be private is the chat and voice for each team.
Ultimate_Gaara
I like this mode, i don't really pay attention to the builds because I usualy like to create my own. I like it because now whenever im bored I can watch people in tombs who are actualy... well you know, successful.
The best part is when people try to talk to the people doing the pvp because they don't notice the 15 minute delay and say stuff like "Hey *dude pvping* what build are you using"... "please answer me".... "What a fag trying to keep it for himself"... "Hey everyone *dude pvping* noob who wont share his build"
Thats always good for a laugh
The best part is when people try to talk to the people doing the pvp because they don't notice the 15 minute delay and say stuff like "Hey *dude pvping* what build are you using"... "please answer me".... "What a fag trying to keep it for himself"... "Hey everyone *dude pvping* noob who wont share his build"
Thats always good for a laugh
streetboy
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I say it's bad because it is indeed a way for any joe to steal advanced tactics made up by smart players. Now instead of only smart players doing things in an ideal way, everyone is going to be doing so because they saw it in observer mode.
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Nothing is secret after you used it in public.