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InvisaFehz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

27 Dec 2005 at 00:20 - 1

OK, I just did an IDS run with 3 other warriors. 2 of the other warriors were trying to use a build that they had never used before (Will call them Tank1 and Tank2). The other was a competent warrior and was apparently at least using a build he knew (Tank3).
We start of by running all the way to the cave. Tank1 dies once along the way (at the giants). No biggie, happens to even the best warriors.
We get in the cave and I use my bow to pull a small group of Imps away from the large group. I call the target once they get a ways away from the herd and we all run in. Things were going fine till all of the sudden EVERYTHING gets aggroed. We all die. Back at the spawn point I asked who aggroed and Tank1 says it was him. Once again, not that big of deal. You can't exactly move very fast to run away when you are frozen in place.
We get back to the cave and Tank1 and Tank2 die almost immediately. Neither Tank3 or myself brought a rez. But since we were right in the middle of a big group we kept fighting. During the fight an IDS drops for Tank1. By the time the fighting was over it was no longer assigned to him, so I picked it up.
Now I'm not sure if I should give it to him or not. As I said he was absolutely NO help whatsoever during the entire trip. If he and Tank2 hadn't been there then the drop would have either went to Tank3 or myself anyway.
Anyway, my question is this: What should I do? Should I give it back, or keep it and just be happy? Thanks for your thoughts.

TheCrusader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Kent,Washington

Dei Victorae [dV]

R/

27 Dec 2005 at 00:24 - 2

Give it to him, its his drop regardless of whether you think he helped or not. He was in the group, He gets his cut.

Yogi's Pain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

E/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 00:25 - 3

Ask Tank 3 what he thinks, if he doesn't give you an opinion then keep the sword and put Tank 1 on ignore list.

reboot

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

27 Dec 2005 at 00:26 - 4

who cares hes a stranger, keep it he would keep it if the roles were reversed.

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

27 Dec 2005 at 00:35 - 5

If it was actually a good sword, you should've kept it. But since it's totally useless, give it to him.

Leonof

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 00:35 - 6

To be honest I would just give it back. It was his drop and he should have it. If he was a real asshole to you though I'd keep it for myself. But looks to me he was just a newbie who didn't know what to do, and just wanted an IDS. At least he tried and you never said he pissed you off or ruined the entire run. So I would just give it back, it's just fair.

well just my two cents

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

27 Dec 2005 at 00:37 - 7

I say keep it, it he wasn't so busy aggroing everything in sight and can't pay attention to his drops he deserves it. I have been in groups where members died and everyone called their drops based on the conversation menu, because we were paying attention.

Lord Iowerth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Atlanta, GA (#guildwarsguru FTW!)

Biscuit Of Dewm [MEEP]

R/Mo

27 Dec 2005 at 00:40 - 8

I agree with most here: if he wasn't being a real jerk, give it to him. This is equivalent (although on a much lesser scale) to someone getting an Ecto drop in the underworld, who died defeating monsters so you could live, and you not rezzing him/her until the drop was yours.

Naturally, your actions are far less insidious, but same reaction.

The trump card: if he was being a jerk, tell him off and keep it. It never pays to be nice to a jerk, that gives them the idea that acting that way is OK.

InvisaFehz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

27 Dec 2005 at 00:42 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonof

To be honest I would just give it back. It was his drop and he should have it. If he was a real asshole to you though I'd keep it for myself. But looks to me he was just a newbie who didn't know what to do, and just wanted an IDS. At least he tried and you never said he pissed you off or ruined the entire run. So I would just give it back, it's just fair.

well just my two cents

I think I will give it back. Just because he wasn't rude even when I didn't give it to him. Thanks for everyone's opinions.

agent of ascalon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Antonio, Texas

[Holy]

W/

27 Dec 2005 at 01:30 - 10

dont be a jackass, what goes around comes around, let the man have his sword ^^,

Victory Gaint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

in a box

Archs of Cursed Blood [War]

R/W

27 Dec 2005 at 01:43 - 11

No Dont Not Be A Jackass!!!! Keep The Precious @_@"

The Muffen Man

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Druery Lane

W/

27 Dec 2005 at 02:03 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victory Gaint

No Dont Not Be A Jackass!!!! Keep The Precious @_@"

Precioussssss

Meo Yeong

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Canada Eh!

Test

Mo/E

27 Dec 2005 at 02:06 - 13

give him the sword.

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

27 Dec 2005 at 02:45 - 14

Neither you should give the sword to me

AxeMe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Atlanta

HEX

W/

27 Dec 2005 at 02:49 - 15

No question at all here -- it's his sword.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

27 Dec 2005 at 03:32 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by AxeMe

No question at all here -- it's his sword.

Irrelevant. If the OP died instead of the tank it'd become HIS sword. If it were indeed "his sword" then why didn't he pick it up? He died, why did he die?

chris_nin00

Dun dun dun

Join Date: Aug 2005

Reddit Guild

R/

27 Dec 2005 at 03:42 - 17

Keep the Precious...
Or be a good boy and give it back to him.

If I were you and you were I, then I would give it back to him and you would say you would give it back to him too because you were I and I were you.

Just give it back to him

Victory Gaint

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

in a box

Archs of Cursed Blood [War]

R/W

27 Dec 2005 at 03:44 - 18

thats not kool dude.......KEEP THE PRECIOUS @_@"

d(.:@_@:.)b

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

W/

27 Dec 2005 at 04:40 - 19

Keep it. Unless he's a good friend of yours, just keep the frickin thing.

Malchior Devenholm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

The Dragon Arena!!!

Pshycho Ninjas [oGod] | Vent Rage [vR] | Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

27 Dec 2005 at 05:02 - 20

True eventually turned to easy pickings, but it was his IDS in the 1st place

-the lucky joker- i want an ids *just to say i have one not to sell for impossible rates

*

eom

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/N

27 Dec 2005 at 05:07 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by InvisaFehz

If he and Tank2 hadn't been there then the drop would have either went to Tank3 or myself

and if tank 3 wasn't there, either, it would have gone to you.
so keep it.

wtf are you talking about?

mamluk

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Grid Sector X-223b

Carebear Club [wuv]

27 Dec 2005 at 05:12 - 22

Give him his sword, you will feel better about yourself if you do. Besides, its not like you cant get one for youself. I suggest doing it solo to avoid things like that.

snowboard4food

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a box

True Fellowship

Me/W

27 Dec 2005 at 05:38 - 23

Its not like anything malicious happened. It was luck it dropped for him, and it was luck that it came into your possesion. nuff said

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

27 Dec 2005 at 06:05 - 24

I would give it back.

Barinthus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

California

(TRUE)

R/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 06:36 - 25

wow i can't believe so many of you are so willing to shaft Tank1 just because he's a stranger. This is why so many people are jerks - Internet anonymity.

Golden Rule, people, Golden Rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated. Simple like that.

I don't care if Tank1 is a completely noob stranger or your best friend, his drops go to him, period. Useless piece of junk or Icy Dragon Sword - I don't care. If it dropped for him, it's his regardless if it eventually became unassigned.

The only exception is if he quit the group and doesn't bother to contact you or someone else (sometimes players are forced to quit due to internet issues).

Barinthus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

California

(TRUE)

R/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 06:43 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by reboot

who cares hes a stranger, keep it he would keep it if the roles were reversed.

Note: "You" isn't directed at reboot - just commenting off his post and talking to the reader of this post

Ah if people jumped off a bridge, you would do the same?

Same concept.

In fact if people act like a jerk because "the other guy would do this to me anyway" this only encourages more people to be jerks which feeds the spiraling cycle.

Don't be part of the problem. Keep in mind the Golden Rule and act accordingly. You'd be surprised - some people do notice and change their behavior more positively.

I should know - I was one of those players who noticed some players being selfless and so on which inspired me to be the same best as I can.

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 08:55 - 27

make a screen shot and give it back

chippxero

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

norfolk

Super Anti Rabbit Squad [SARS]

Mo/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 09:05 - 28

I'd give it back, and if i was you maybe take a rez with you all the time.

In fact everyone should take a rez with them, or the chippmas elves will punish you.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

27 Dec 2005 at 09:10 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barinthus

Golden Rule, people, Golden Rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated. Simple like that.

Sigh, you treat others nicely, you get shafted by others.

You reason with them, they say "Your mom", like it even means anything.

Keep the sword. Like I said, he didn't pick it up, it is not any fault of yours that he died.

Malevolent Anarchy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Australia

OBD

Mo/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 15:23 - 30

Listen to the evil within. Keep it and show no mercy

Nah its Christmas give it back

I certainly bet that if it was something of great value say a rare max damage sickle dropped for him, most of us will be corrupted by greed and keep it. I know i would

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

27 Dec 2005 at 15:36 - 31

I'd keep it like the evil bastard that I am. However, I'd offer to go on runs with him and if one drops for me, give it to him.

But the morally right thing to do is give it back as he was unable to obtain the item during his set period time it was reserved for him. If he was able and didn't, it's yours.

Barinthus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

California

(TRUE)

R/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 15:44 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by generik

Sigh, you treat others nicely, you get shafted by others.

You reason with them, they say "Your mom", like it even means anything.

Keep the sword. Like I said, he didn't pick it up, it is not any fault of yours that he died.

I'll take that risk. Meanwhile I just feel bad for the rest who feel they're in a dog-eat-dog world. It's no way to live.

Chev of Hardass

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Under a rock

zP

Me/

27 Dec 2005 at 15:50 - 33

There are two types of people in this world. Which are you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barinthus

wow i can't believe so many of you are so willing to shaft Tank1 just because he's a stranger. This is why so many people are jerks - Internet anonymity.

Golden Rule, people, Golden Rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated. Simple like that.

I don't care if Tank1 is a completely noob stranger or your best friend, his drops go to him, period. Useless piece of junk or Icy Dragon Sword - I don't care. If it dropped for him, it's his regardless if it eventually became unassigned.

The only exception is if he quit the group and doesn't bother to contact you or someone else (sometimes players are forced to quit due to internet issues).

If you want to screw someone over, there are plenty of volunteers. Screw over the guy selling weapons in the Tombs. or the guy trying to sell black dye for 10k, or the guy that is ripping off newbs in Ascalon.

If you screw over the guy that agreed to go farming with you, then you are not a good farming partner, and I would never farm with you. I seriously doubt anyof the people telling you to keep the sword would farm with you, if they thought about it.

There may be a lot of internet security in knowing that you will never meet someone again, but it does not mean that you have the right, to be a complete dick.

art_

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

27 Dec 2005 at 17:32 - 34

It was assigned to him, give him the sword. Don't you think might be overestimating his crapness to justify you keeping the sword?

At any rate, when i play people always keep whatever drops for them.

Toral Xi

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Norfolk, Va

Me/Mo

27 Dec 2005 at 17:32 - 35

I would offer to give it back to him as I believe it is his sword, it may turn out he has some already and tells you to keep it.

Woutsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Belgium

27 Dec 2005 at 17:35 - 36

i'd keep it

Yogi's Pain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

E/Me

27 Dec 2005 at 17:56 - 37

What if you are in a group, and nobody dies. Say, a black dye drops in the middle of the battle. Now, everyone is alive and can see the drop, and someone is excited about seeing on drop and then another person congratulates them on the good drop. Then a few minutes later, they remind the person to pick it up.

When the time comes and its available for everyone, is it fair game?

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

27 Dec 2005 at 18:11 - 38

Indeed it is.

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

27 Dec 2005 at 18:12 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekkira

However, I'd offer to go on runs with him and if one drops for me, give it to him.

Are you serious? If you stole my drop and then made this offer, I’d tell you to stuff it.

If you think you’re being so generous by offering to help him get one, just give it back and get one for yourself.

At least you wouldn’t be stuck adventuring with an aggro junkie like him.

Burakus Lightwing

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

27 Dec 2005 at 18:16 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barinthus

wow i can't believe so many of you are so willing to shaft Tank1 just because he's a stranger. This is why so many people are jerks - Internet anonymity.

Golden Rule, people, Golden Rule. Treat others the way you want to be treated. Simple like that.

I don't care if Tank1 is a completely noob stranger or your best friend, his drops go to him, period. Useless piece of junk or Icy Dragon Sword - I don't care. If it dropped for him, it's his regardless if it eventually became unassigned.

The only exception is if he quit the group and doesn't bother to contact you or someone else (sometimes players are forced to quit due to internet issues).

I completely agree here. The fact that you even posted here to ask should be all the indication you need. Give it back. Half the problem with GW is the community. Keep it a friendly place, spread a smile, we can only hope one good deed leads to another.

Please Don't listen to Yogi's Pain...ignore list...people like that ruin GW..IMHO