in my humble view,
they didn't buff ritulist enough,
come one sprit lihgt weapon?
abd genreal nerfed skills which weren't very poular in the first place.
divine sprit anyone?
Skill changes are here
Tark Alkerk
Yichi
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there is only one thing that bothers me.
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trecca
And now, after the rockmolder, please fix this BUGGED unconditional weapons and the FFS 
Yichi
Actually i know one fix that never got caught if you knew how to do it. I have personally seen (sorry forgot to take screeny's before trade was canceled) a 40% enchanting axe still around. i forgot the guys name, but he still had 3 of them and they were untouched. before he downloaded the update, he remained in guild hall and gave them to someone to hold, downloaded the update, and kept his 3 axes.
Blackhawk
Oh no Imperial Supplymaster Kagno's gone 
/saracasm
Oh and totally crap update BTW, but hey we got Storage Wooo Hoooo..*tumbleweed*.....GG A-Net
/saracasm
Oh and totally crap update BTW, but hey we got Storage Wooo Hoooo..*tumbleweed*.....GG A-Net
Ensign
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Originally Posted by MistressYichi
we tested a me/e for dodgeball. with a 20% enchanting staff wrapping ele attune still lasts for 36 seconds. so its only a 9 second downtime. which isnt that huge of a nerf. woo hoo for 9 seconds you cant spam orb/strike, you can still bflash and hold off for that 9 seconds and resume.
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Originally Posted by MistressYichi
smiters have a lot less free energy, but the regen can make up for the 1 energy it costs.
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Originally Posted by MistressYichi
the rangers losing blackout does suck but will still be run, just pop a couple points into dom = gg.
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Peace,
-CxE
nebuchanezzar
Increased the inherent armor level on all unique (green text), promotional, crafted, and collector shields so that they behave the same way as other shields when the characters equipping them do not meet the necessary attribute requirement.
so what, now they all default to 8 def? or 3? or 5? Which other shields. As I understood it, golds had an AL range of 8-16 so they default to 8AL. Greens and collector shields however defaulted to 5AL like a starter shield I believe. And Im not 100% how it was with puples as they seemed to be at least half for energy bonus at least if you didnt meet the req vs. 3 for collector items.
So which is it? If I use Malinons Shield on my monk(no tactics) while Im enchanted(channeling ftw) I get -2(phys)damage and +45hp. What AL am I getting? 3, or 5, or 8?
Now I have to see if my Gingerbread shield is better with flat out 10AL vs everything.
This seems aimed at all the weapon swapping. I used shields on my monk for damage reduction to. Why take that away...isnt giving up energy for a shield enough. The same as a warrior swapping in a casters offhand isnt it?
so what, now they all default to 8 def? or 3? or 5? Which other shields. As I understood it, golds had an AL range of 8-16 so they default to 8AL. Greens and collector shields however defaulted to 5AL like a starter shield I believe. And Im not 100% how it was with puples as they seemed to be at least half for energy bonus at least if you didnt meet the req vs. 3 for collector items.
So which is it? If I use Malinons Shield on my monk(no tactics) while Im enchanted(channeling ftw) I get -2(phys)damage and +45hp. What AL am I getting? 3, or 5, or 8?
Now I have to see if my Gingerbread shield is better with flat out 10AL vs everything.
This seems aimed at all the weapon swapping. I used shields on my monk for damage reduction to. Why take that away...isnt giving up energy for a shield enough. The same as a warrior swapping in a casters offhand isnt it?
Cacheelma
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Originally Posted by Rent
Uh. Superior Absorption runes still don't stack.
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TheMadKingGeorge
A Few Skills That Didnt Need Nerfing Or Upgrading
Feast of Corruption: increased Energy cost to 15.----Didnt
Air of Enchantment: added a minimum 1 Energy cost; increased recharge time to 8 seconds.----Didnt
Broad Head Arrow: reduced recharge time to 15 seconds.----Didnt
Quivering Blade: increased Daze duration to 8 seconds..----Didnt
Illusionary Weaponry: reduced recharge time to 35 seconds..----Didnt-Iw Is Effective At Max And Recharges Just Intime For It To Be Reused
Signet of Disenchantment: reduced cast time to 1 second..----Didnt
Its A Signent It Should Take Longer To Cast
Bed of Coals: now deals damage only to non-moving foes.----Didnt
Gay Just Gay
Feast of Corruption: increased Energy cost to 15.----Didnt
Air of Enchantment: added a minimum 1 Energy cost; increased recharge time to 8 seconds.----Didnt
Broad Head Arrow: reduced recharge time to 15 seconds.----Didnt
Quivering Blade: increased Daze duration to 8 seconds..----Didnt
Illusionary Weaponry: reduced recharge time to 35 seconds..----Didnt-Iw Is Effective At Max And Recharges Just Intime For It To Be Reused
Signet of Disenchantment: reduced cast time to 1 second..----Didnt
Its A Signent It Should Take Longer To Cast
Bed of Coals: now deals damage only to non-moving foes.----Didnt
Gay Just Gay
snikerz
i think they should make blackout 7 seconds @ lvl16 dom, 1 second doesnt give me a window to cast something, ie. diversion.
even tho area of effect spells are useless in pve, bed of coals is by far the worst spell to use in pve, soon as u use this skill, the enemies run off, and u deal only like 1 second of dmg.
even tho area of effect spells are useless in pve, bed of coals is by far the worst spell to use in pve, soon as u use this skill, the enemies run off, and u deal only like 1 second of dmg.
elavro
good update this is , really when I play my warrior in pvp and I see an ele, I run after him and the damage I deal is really amazing if you compare it to the damage the ele deals to me
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Ensign
It's not a blatant change but it is a pretty big one. In the previous incarnation the attunements would overlap each other, which didn't just avoid downtime, it saved a good bit of energy as well. My experience with the character before and after the cooldown buff was that before he was good for 2-3 attunement cycles, after which your energy started to ride really low and your defenses started to break because of it. After they reduced the cooldown the attunements started overlapping and you didn't ever really run down the way you used to. Now that there's that downtime when you can't cast and need to ride your energy back up to re-attune, the build starts to wind down on energy again. Sure, it doesn't kill the build entirely, but losing that staying power is a far from trivial change.
agree completely. didnt mean to sound sarcastic with the first post. Don't act like I said things that I didn't say. Pre-change smiters had roughly 3 pips of excess energy, between keeping Zealot's Fire up and occasionally needing to swap targets. Now smiters have one free pip - the standard Air smiting cycles chews up almost two pips spot on. You wind down from casting Balthazar's Aura on recharge, and any other energy expenditure adds up quickly. It's rough even running a Smite Hex or Hex Breaker on the new guys, let alone Draw Conditions or Aegis, or a Ward as is common. The character is still good, but the energy is really tight. never acted or even mentioned things u didnt say. all im sayign is that the 1 energy cost can be made up for when holding out for morale before pushing, or when facing the other team turtling and youre holding back just a littleto see their reaction and tryig nto draw them out. I really hope that you're right. Rangers have been a great utility character that don't see enough usage, but their attributes are really rough already and I hope this isn't going to break them. I feel that the 5 second Blackout is really important to the survival of a utility ranger in competitive GvG and I'm really unhappy that this nerf made it in. we ran a blackout cripshot ranger in gvg tonight after the update, and the one point lost in wilderness and put into dom, basically made the ranger similar to what it used to be before the blackout nerf. its still a good utility char and is still a staple in a few builds we have. Peace, -CxE |
MirageCloud
i'm suprised, touch rangers go untouched O_^
Celios
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Air of Enchantment: added a minimum 1 Energy cost; increased recharge time to 8 seconds.----Didnt
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Originally Posted by samifly
Warriors were overpowered, eles underpowered. So i like the warrior update, except for the global/local part. Dont really get the hate for Me/E and FoC.
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other than that I think the update to air of ench is still welcome, itd mean u need a bit of more stat points for duration. it is still better than it was before
TheMadKingGeorge
they havnt nerfd iway so why touch a good build
TheMadKingGeorge
my duration was 9 seconds :P anyway warriors can be easilly shut down but why run a warrior shut down build in ha
fb2000
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my duration was 9 seconds :P anyway warriors can be easilly shut down but why run a warrior shut down build in ha
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and since when is Guild wars = ha?
kinda weird comment, sorry
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Illusionary Weaponry: reduced recharge time to 35 seconds..----Didnt-Iw Is Effective At Max And Recharges Just Intime For It To Be Reused
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Silent Kitty
Not much to say. I guess that all those people who thought this game was to easy, now finally got their ways.
As for me ............... I will just wait for improvements on the henchmen. Anything else doesn't concern me. I never used the Ascalong armour bug anyway.
I am glad the fire sentinels got nerved. I really hated these guys.
As for me ............... I will just wait for improvements on the henchmen. Anything else doesn't concern me. I never used the Ascalong armour bug anyway.
I am glad the fire sentinels got nerved. I really hated these guys.
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Originally Posted by talon
wow.... people with 20% Rockmoulders just got boned to death
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HoD axe next!?
makosi
Overall I'm happy with the update although I do sympathize with those who got their items nerfed. The Sheild and dmg reduction nerf is a good way of buffing eles a bit and let's face it, warriors are now equally powerful as everything else as of today. (Poor mesmers courtly/virtuoso's armour was nerfed. IMHO that should have been nerfed either when it was discovered that the mod was global or never at all.)
Should have been nerfed:
Order of Apostasty: Don't do PvP anymore but the high end PvP-ers were complaining that their defenses against IWAY were rendered almost useless because of this skill. Its still an unfair skill and a Anerf's token of love to IWAY.
Vampiric Touch/Bite: I didn't think these were overpowered until i made like 200k from touching bosses to death in PvE. [<---insert flame here]
Should have been nerfed:
Order of Apostasty: Don't do PvP anymore but the high end PvP-ers were complaining that their defenses against IWAY were rendered almost useless because of this skill. Its still an unfair skill and a Anerf's token of love to IWAY.
Vampiric Touch/Bite: I didn't think these were overpowered until i made like 200k from touching bosses to death in PvE. [<---insert flame here]
Numa Pompilius
Good update over all. I feel they could've done something about rits, but there was nothing in this update I really didn't like. I can see that people who've bought pre-nerf rockmolders might be a bit miffed though - what did they cost before this update? A million each?
I also like that I can finally recycle my knights boots and get myself a pair of nice glads instead.
Hmmm... I wonder if I have any IAS nolani wands in storage somewhere? They might be worth a few K now.
I also like that I can finally recycle my knights boots and get myself a pair of nice glads instead.
Hmmm... I wonder if I have any IAS nolani wands in storage somewhere? They might be worth a few K now.
Retribution X
Mmm... I'd hate to have Gaile's job today...
I really liked some of the buffs, But ABHORED the nerfs. Ele's were overpowered, (I LOVE playing my ele, that's how I know...) But now warriors are WAY underpowered. (ESP considering warriors in PvP hardly ever attack each other with a physical dmg weapon, which means that dmg reduction is pretty near useless...)
I really liked some of the buffs, But ABHORED the nerfs. Ele's were overpowered, (I LOVE playing my ele, that's how I know...) But now warriors are WAY underpowered. (ESP considering warriors in PvP hardly ever attack each other with a physical dmg weapon, which means that dmg reduction is pretty near useless...)
lazuli
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Hmmm... I wonder if I have any IAS nolani wands in storage somewhere? They might be worth a few K now.
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Spura
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Originally Posted by Retribution X
Ele's were overpowered, (I LOVE playing my ele, that's how I know...) But now warriors are WAY underpowered.
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I liked the changes but I hated that they failed, AGAIN, to fix a lot of things. Like making any other elite than AoD good for primary assassin in pvp.
Edit: on the second thought, I don't see why shadow form needs to cost 10 and why shadow shroud doesn't prevent non targeted enchants. Now a boon prot will just cast boon and mantra and cop it off. Nice job ruining this elite.
markus_thom
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Originally Posted by Seef II
It seems anet has been rather afraid to touch warriors. Last time, there was a bugfix (ViM bugfix rather trivial, same with Sig of Strength) and a rather inconsequential buff to an attack skill. (Standing Slash and Furious Axe).
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Lord Dark Genie
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Originally Posted by makosi
Should have been nerfed:
Order of Apostasty: Don't do PvP anymore but the high end PvP-ers were complaining that their defenses against IWAY were rendered almost useless because of this skill. Its still an unfair skill and a Anerf's token of love to IWAY. |
Snowman
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Originally Posted by samifly
Warriors were overpowered, eles underpowered. So i like the warrior update, except for the global/local part. Dont really get the hate for Me/E and FoC.
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As for the Global thing, I assume you mean knights stuff..
Personally I always thought that was pathetic anyway.. I mean, How the Fcuk can a pair of boots provide any kind of protection from damage received on the head or the arms?... or anywhere else for that matter?
Get real, the Knights armor is a fix, not a nerf.
makosi
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Since when is HA high-end ?
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Ok here some questionable nerfs:
FoC 15e now. Why? This was not over used, 20 second recharge, and has a conditional dmg, and adjacent range. Rits didn't get anything to reduce their power. Oath shot 25 recharge. That's a very small nerf but really where is this used outside of HA for blood spike. Oh well change to a rit lord spamming spirits no big deal there. Divine spirit now only works on monk spells, not skills. Is that really needed. Why give a horrible skill even more reason to NOT use it? Bed of coals can only hit non-moving targets. They just gimped this spell into the junk pile. The Nolani Fire wand IAS was removed. Rockmoulder was not changed to 10%. No more 20% out there now. Last but no least the whiners have finally gotton their way. Knight/Ascalon armor is now a local -dmg and no longer global. You bitched and moaned and now you have your way. Sheilds, runes, and armor -dmg mods ONLY apply to physical dmg now. Happy? Questionable buffes: Siphon Speed duration was increased to 20 seconds max. This is already the best running skill in the game. Its very cheap, fast casting, and 5 recharge makes it the only running skill that can be used again before its duration runs out. Why did this need a buff? Broad Headed Arrow now has a 15 second recharge. Here comes the apply poison + BA rangers. Boon prots are the only monks that can survive this type of onslaught. Draw Conditions just reduced to keep wars clean. Quivering blade also got increased to 8 dazed (that was never a drawback). Mark of Rodgort is now a 30 second duration. Why not lower the casting cost so its acually usable. With the increase to hex removal like expel hexes, empathedic removal, and blessed light this skill still has no use. With its high cost only an ele can use it. Last time I checked ele's didn't have much in the way of cover hexes. Burning Speed is now a .25 casting. The problem with this skill is not the casting but the duration. There isn't much difference between 33% and 42% faster running. Windbourne can be cast on anyone and armor of mist gives a hefty armor boost. Those options will not KILL you in the process. |
FoC - Why? Why not? FoC Spike was being abused to hell. Bloodspike was practically replaced by FoC. Increasing the energy to 15 will GREATLY hurt FoC.
Oath Shot - Wow didnt see this coming. I asume its the fact that they cut down halls matches to 4 mins they nerfed this. Blood spikes would be a pain to kick off altar if they spam right off the bat u know.
Nolani fire wand - omg.. the best wand in the game is now SHIT. Best adrenaline building wand.
Knight/Ascalon Reduction - Best nerf so far. Damage reduction is now local meaning IWAY warriors are alot easier to bring down (Not like they werent before
The shield nerf is also a blow to IWAY. I'd say it is going to be a crap load easier to spike down iway.
Bed of coals - ? shit skill to begin with
Air of enchantment - NOOOOOOOOOO. NOOO MORE TRIPLE SMITE
ya right, this nerf isnt even worth it. Smite is still doable.Pros-
Broad head arrow
What i expected...
OoA Nerf - Something like increase recharge to 12 minutes increase casting time to 60 seconds. Energy cost 4 million. When cast every warrior on ur team dies.
Rit Lord - I really thought this would get a nerf. I expected something like a cast time maybe 1-2 seconds. At least make it interuptable. meh no biggie
Playing HA alot i think this nerf actually helped me (my guild atleast). IWAY is more vulnerable to spike but the smite nerf will push us out of triple smite im guessing (but hoping not).
o ya and FC air spike
R.I.P
Taurucis
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My brother's going to go crazy once he sees this update. A couple days ago he was telling me how Elemental Attunement should be Energy Storage. He's got his wish. He loves to play IW mesmer, and IW got buffed.
Overall, I'm happy with these updates. They look good to me. Except for Blackout, no more watching Touchers wanding me to death while their touch skills are out
lyra_song
Still no adjustment on order of apostasy?
Is it me or did they also buff the other enchant removal skills? (Chillblains, Signet of Disenchantment). A little bit of enchanment hate goin on >.>;;
Im a bit..."blah" to this update. Other than the blackout nerf, nothing really bothers/interests me enough :/
Is it me or did they also buff the other enchant removal skills? (Chillblains, Signet of Disenchantment). A little bit of enchanment hate goin on >.>;;
Im a bit..."blah" to this update. Other than the blackout nerf, nothing really bothers/interests me enough :/
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WTF FoC Not Abused FoC Takes Skill Its NoT our Fault You DOnt Remove Hexes Or Relise We Casting Hexs For Our Foc Spike / Des Defile Enchants
20 second recharge and 10 enrgy was right 15 enrgy is a joke.
anyway what ever happend to soul barbs spike
SnipiousMax
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Im a bit..."blah" to this update. Other than the blackout nerf, nothing really bothers/interests me enough :/
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azuresun
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Originally Posted by IIIPowerIII
This is simply stupid to nerf the rockmolder... Then they'll need to fix those 15%always with no neg weapon... And change all those HoD item to new one ect... There was no need to kill an item that had a value of 70-80k...
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If they are going to do things like this, then they need to apply the same standards to everything.
And still no buff to Earthshaker.
Bed of Coals is now trash.
However, I do like the changes in the armor and shields and the renaming of the Ascalon Bows.
Y.T.
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Originally Posted by Rent
Uh. Superior Absorption runes still don't stack.
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Jetdoc
I absolutely agree with the concept of retroactively fixing all of the other "nerfed" items out there, since the 20/20 Rockmolder has now been removed and the old Rankor shields have been converted to the recent model.
The HoD axe, the HoD bow, the unconditional damage weapons, the 15% FFS...your time is coming. If you ultra rich hold these, I would seriously consider cutting your losses while the time is ripe.
The HoD axe, the HoD bow, the unconditional damage weapons, the 15% FFS...your time is coming. If you ultra rich hold these, I would seriously consider cutting your losses while the time is ripe.
TadaceAce
The way I see it, this update was stupid. Couple of reasons.
1. Now I have to buy an entire new set of armor for warrior.
2. They further nerfed (not in a big way) the already in need of a buff ele.
3. They nerfed AoE, SB/RI, and FC air, yes all FoTM where are the iway and toucher nerfs?
3. They buffed, yes thats right buffed warriors. The absorbtion nerf doesn't mean jack. Even before this update at least 75% of damage was physical, now with the nerf of AoE and FC air even more of it will be physical. But now every warrior is going to be running W/N with quivering blade and plague touch. Its not as if the daze isn't incredibly easy for a sword warrior to cover and piss off a monk while doing insane damage. (frenzy equates for about a 1 second attack speed). So even a prot boon has a 50%+ chance of having RoF interupted, guardian is just out of the question. Oh don't forget they buffed standing slash too... which... while using frenzy is ftw.
Horrible update.
1. Now I have to buy an entire new set of armor for warrior.
2. They further nerfed (not in a big way) the already in need of a buff ele.
3. They nerfed AoE, SB/RI, and FC air, yes all FoTM where are the iway and toucher nerfs?
3. They buffed, yes thats right buffed warriors. The absorbtion nerf doesn't mean jack. Even before this update at least 75% of damage was physical, now with the nerf of AoE and FC air even more of it will be physical. But now every warrior is going to be running W/N with quivering blade and plague touch. Its not as if the daze isn't incredibly easy for a sword warrior to cover and piss off a monk while doing insane damage. (frenzy equates for about a 1 second attack speed). So even a prot boon has a 50%+ chance of having RoF interupted, guardian is just out of the question. Oh don't forget they buffed standing slash too... which... while using frenzy is ftw.
Horrible update.
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Actually i know one fix that never got caught if you knew how to do it. I have personally seen (sorry forgot to take screeny's before trade was canceled) a 40% enchanting axe still around. i forgot the guys name, but he still had 3 of them and they were untouched. before he downloaded the update, he remained in guild hall and gave them to someone to hold, downloaded the update, and kept his 3 axes.
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Person w/o update can not trade with Person w/ update, and visaversa.