Change and Adapt, to do or not...

i dont play my warrior in pvp for awhile now but i was wanting another 45k to finish off my rt's set of 15k armor. i logged in my warrior and hit my usual spot to only die twice from wand dmg. i dont wanna farm trolls or griffons or whatever else only does phys dmg for weak ass drops. all character slots full and no monk to 55 anymore...i want my 200k back that i recently spent on shields and ... i want my 5 mil or so ive invested in my warrior back. i dont feel like doing the wts thing. after a year of playing gw im a bit tired of learning new builds when i just need some quick loot. since ......enough talk..im just mad and gonna stare at the screen now. i hate you anet

All I have to say now is that although this doesn't seem like a big matter on the surface, I believe recently everyone's reached the point of receiving that feather that broke the camels back. One small issue like this may not seem like much, but when you are living in a world of constantly changing factors where a lot is not absolute, you really don't feel connected to what you're playing. The game people played before the release of factions is the world most people like. Although similar, more and more things are changing for the worse in many people's oppinions and the game is becoming something completely different.

Even before Factions the game started this spiral. Any time something would recieve a "nerf" the game lost a little bit about what it was. Now the changes are more and more noticeable and getting more out of hand in my oppinion at least. Unfortunately once people fell into grooves they couldn't get themselves out of them, and I truely believe cookie cutters are what tore this game apart. Instead of being inventive and using skill like the game was intended everyone seems to constantly go towards the path of something already made. After overuse and rape of stuff that was actually considered skillful, they are nerfed. Good bye to running, good bye rockmolder, good bye Guild Wars.

Yes, yes, and they nerfed all sustained AoE spells a while back. We dealt. 55 monks are still around, and nukers are still welcomed into PuGs. GW has enough raw material for a creative player to cope with changes ANet makes.

Bill Gates maybe able to get away with that because Windows rules the world, A-Net does not have that luxury, we don't have to "get used to it", we can move on and if enough of us do, then A_net is out of buisiness.

Ok,you mention
like the game was intended and running in the same paragraph.
Running ppl from Beacons to Droks was intended?
Usefull yes intended NO
Everything you have mentiond is an form of exploit.

The Bot's will still be there.

yeah ..but when we just have someone from Anerf all what she knows or talk about is minipets,festivals,frogs and bunnies..no absorbing of fans anger of what is going around and why they intent to do this and that..they always keep us in the dark.

Wts: Cheese

Rangers should be the primary tanks vs. elemental damage not warriors. The game has been made better. Anyone with an imagination can see that, and I for one will stay and adapt.

Let's look at ranger armor...

Drakescale - 70 base Armor, Armor vs Elemental +30, Armor vs Fire +15
Frostbound - 70 base Armor, Armor vs Elemental +30, Armor vs Cold +15
Druid - 70 base Armor, Armor vs Elemental +30, + energy
etc...

How can anyone think that warriors should take less elemental damage by design then rangers with armor like that?!

With the latest update nerfing warriors tanking abilities the game has undoubtably changed, but I think far too many people don't see the potential good in all this. For me the game just got more interesting. Pulling and aggroing won't be as simple as it was before with the warrior just running in, and taking tons of hits for -0 and -1 damage. In my opinion, rangers should be doing all the pulling now to get initial aggro, and to get enemy casters casting spells on them. The warriors should be setting up a bodyblock in front of the ranger. End of story. Problem solved.

I hope that rangers get some nice tanking buffs in the next chapter vs. elemental damage (and maybe have aggro a little easier to control like in WoW, but that's getting off topic). Imagine if rangers got runes of elemental absorption for the next chapter and more tanking capabilities. How cool would that be?

And for the record regarding previous nerfs to the elementalist AoE and necro MM those 2 classes are still in high demand as much as they ever were.

mm..is this GW what you are talking about it m8 ?

The thing is that: the AoE nerf and the MM nerf DIDN'T require you to spend hard earned cash, unless you wanted to buy a few skills.

The warrior nerf in its current form REQUIRES you to spend more money than you already have to remain competitive. For this reason alone I reckon there should be something done to alleviate the situation.

Shes not a dev.

Like everyone Anet (or Apple or Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo, or anything with sensitive info they dont wanna share to the public yet) she has to sign NDAs and im sure what she can say has to be pre-approved by like 4-5 people first.

Yes Anet does keep us in the dark and its very annoying. They read our stuff, and their only responses are through updates.

Very rarely do we get direct responses through Gaile, so dont expect one, or blame her for not getting one.

So she is useless ?! just one from Anerf with purple text keep saying "i'll tell them","i made note","it's coming soon","i don't know,i'll look into it "

superb !!

I'm talking about GW PvE. I was explaining a strategy for pulling to keep elemental damage hitting ranger tanks, and physical damage to hit the warrior tanks.

read this first:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ing-id1982.php

hee hee, my guild is full of people who gripe and complain about nerfs, ect, and after the most recent update my guild chat was ALIVE... JOIN MY GUILD IF YOU LIKE TO GRIPE! IT'S GOT A COOL NAME+COOL TAG

LOL, nice of you to speak on behalf of EVERYONE

With Dryder's defenses and Sentry armor, my ranger has 170 gereral elemental armor.

That's not the point, the point of this thread is that many people are getting tired of seeing a nerf bat hit things needlessly. The Knight's armor was a bug, and we all accepted it's fix, grudgingly, but rewriting sheilds and runes, needs explaining. And many of us, are at the max allowed.

pve is only half the game (tho im beginning to think that pvp was indeed meant to be the better part of the game.).

in pve I dont really care if i get a bit worse armor, its not like I dont have a huge freedom with skills, it usually easy to fit a watch urself or dolyak in there

do that in pvp and see how people will react, k, tnx

[QUOTE] i reckon you could buy the 1.5k version without hurting too much and i heard somewhere that sup asorbs dropped in price a while back as well.

Are you putting the blaim on Miss Gray?
Thats like blaiming the news papper for everything that happens.
Useless? well so are you and I after we have paid for the Game.
You can Screem , kick and behave like a brat for as long as you want but it will not do anything. Try and figure out a new build to cope with the new situation.

Wow. listening to the "deal it it" brigade is really kinda sickening. As far as I can tell a good majority of them know very little to nothing about the following:

-the value of DR as it was.
-the difference between ranged and melee and ranged classes.
-the difference between a whine and an arguement.
-the differene between a fix and a nerf.
-being anything other then antagonistic.

Just kind of, wow. You people really are this stupid, you really are and it's kinda sad.

Before anyone gets on my case about the whole, broad general statement thing, don't blame me. Blame the majority of your kind that made me come to this conclusion. I am well aware no broad generalization is perfect, but in this case it's close enough...I've just kinda stopped pretending to be nice, and given up on civilized discussion with you people. It's a waste of time and logical arguement doesn't seem to work so I've really only got on simple brutish message left, maybe it'll get through.

Just sit down, shut up, and play if you're so bloody happy with it, but stop being a needless pain in the ass to everyone else who has a problem with it.

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If you can't take that ppl have different opinons Ken Dei sit down and stfu

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Again perhaps, perhaps not.

This is where you lump everyone who doesn't agree with you into the same boat. I have seen the AoE nerf, told to deal, MM nerf, told to deal. So, at this point, I realized ANet isn't gonna change THEIR game back because we don't like a change. Now, deciding that everyone who does agree with you makes me a little annoyed. There are really only a couple of options, either get ANet to change (not likely but maybe possible), quit playing your warrior or the game, or adapt to the lack damage reduction.

No Ken Dei, we don't blame you... we blame your parents and the government, where was the morning after pill when you were concieved. It's not close enough, so if you've stopped pretending to be nice, given up on civilized conversation than you probably shouldn't be on these boards. This is a forum and it is about discussion, not sitting here and flaming the other person because they are headstrong in their beliefs as you are in yours.

Ken Dei... think hard about what I am doing here. Just sit down, shut up, and don't play if you're so unhappy with it, stop being a needless pain in the ass to everyone who has no problem with it.

Convince people with the facts, the truth, even heartfelt opinion. Just don't lump everyone who disagrees with you into a group and flame them for being stupid.

since your home site is TGH and you cant stand us why do you come here with your negativity just to troll?

go back where everybody agrees with you.

thats why i left TGH long ago........most of the members

I just thought he wasn't burdened with an over abundance of manners.

When this nerf came out I was one that said "get over it or get out" then I realized how damaging that can be. I leave most of my family and friends that I brought into GW willl leave with me. No big deal, A-Net all ready has our money, well we wouldn't buy chapter 3, there's revenue loss right there, all my friends who I am trying to bring in GW won't, more revenue loss.

Now I'm just one person with a core group of gamer friends, but I'm not the only one. These major skill/build/armor nerf might be a little easier if we knew why. It may already be happening, my rit had a really hard time getting enough people together to do waking waters, there just wasn't anyone there.

While the change to Knight's is certainly logical, I wonder why it took them so long to do it. It's not like this is something that suddenly cropped up.

However, it doesn't bother me as much as the absorbtion change. That one stings a bit.

huh? i frequent tgh and don't even know who ken dei is

Actually no one at TGH cares one bit about the warrior change, which is why Ken Dei is posting here instead. Just wanted to clarify...

The only problem I see in this is the fact that many people, such as myself, spend ages saving up money to buy that suit of armor they wanted so very much since they started playing the game.

Not everybody farms.
Not everybody has a Guild that gives away money like candy.
Not everybody is cool enough to purchase digital money on E-Bay.

Aside from the fact that my 60k+ may or may not have been wasted on a suit of armor that is now dubbed 'useless,' by the moral majority, I really don't care.


I always got owned in PvP and GvG as a Warrior anyway.
I'm still learning.
So the fact of the matter is, because I'm learning, I HAVE room to adapt to this change. I can still continue to learn, I just happened to run into an abrupt fork in the road and one direction got owned by a meteor.
So I follow the other route. Big deal.

I can see how many people would be angered by this update, but it's not the end of the world.
Pray ANet doesn't read all of the complaints people are posting and decide through irritation, "Hey, we have the power to shut them up. Lets put a monthly payment on the game!"

People expect so much freedom in this game because it IS free, when in actual fact, the idea of the game being 'free to play' is purely a privilege.

If you want a higher level cap; if you want armor that can practically render you a God; if you want weapons that drain 100+ hp in a single hit; if you want to ride your mini pet like a donkey; go play World of Warcraft, and have fun paying monthly for those minute possibilities.

The only thing I want to see in Guild Wars, are more races rather than everyone being human. We have all these monsters and imps and dwarves running around yet we can't pick a character anything like it.
That is neither here nor there.

I'm with the people who simply say 'adapt and play'. If you can't handle a simple nerf, quit. There have been worse changes made to the game, and there WILL be worse changes made to the game. People need to learn to adapt NOW or else when that big 'change' does arrive, people won't have any idea what the hell to do, and they'll quit, and Guild Wars will fall apart.

I don't think anybody who PvPs at a decent level gives a damn about this change. At most they have to change one small piece of armor, because having a full set of Knights was completely useless anyway. And the effectiveness of warriors in PvP has gone down basically zero.

Exactly. I dont want to turn this into a PVE vs PVP thing but that's how I see it too. And the funny thing is that PVE is relatively easy to beat since it's a static thing...I dont see why there's so many complaints about such a minor adjustment/nerf/fix/whatever you want to call it.

Sure, there will be people leaving the game claiming this is the reason of their leaving; but most likely they already got pissed elsewhere and find this update a nice excuse. I wonder how many of these complainers were there at the very beginning when there were no rune trader, no rare-material trader and superior absorption rune gave you -75 hp penalty. Surely some warrior-type players will leave, but more elementalist lovers will move in, so a year from now, few people in GW world will remember what it was like before the update. Personally I don't find this update too big a deal: it's common sense that electricity/heat is better transmitted through metal than leather/clothes anyway, so a shield/armor made of steel shouldn't have bonus in elemental resistance in the first place.

Yep the means reinventing the wheel.

LOL. I hate TGH. I left it long ago for here because I thought this board WAS for differing views. I deleted it from my favorites list because it's so toxic down there.

As for you lecturing me about accepting differing veiw point, it's a good laugh. You're all so hypocritical it's embarassing, so is the notion of me being a troll. That's probably even more hilarious.

You look at the majority of ill mannered people here and you'll find a lot of yourselves looking in the mirror. The abuse the people arguing against the move by A.Net was unfairly harsh and unnessesary.

I intentionally wrote that last nasty post because it's the only way to get you people to pay attention to your own actions. Don't dish it out if you can't take it, I'm not kidding. And such a quick response with condesending "holier than thou" attitudes proves you can't take some of your own nasty medicine.

That said, I hope my little planned tyraid put things a little more in perspective and those people telling everyonelse to "shut up and take it" will take their own advice about things they don't like, namely, other people's complaints.

Furthermore, I appologize for any discomfort I caused to any genuine debators who took serious offense from my post because you were unintentional victims of the crossfire caused by the need to clear the air and put all cards on the table.

Finally, I forgive the nasty comments made in response to my post, regardless of if the poster was a troll or a debator looking to put someone they thought to be a troll in their place. Completely understandable when nerves are frayed and emotions are involved.

I hope that clarifies everything. And frankly, I don't care if you believe me or not, because the people who won't don't know me very well anyway.

Ken Dei throws temper tantrums on the internet to show people the error of their ways.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but bluntly put, that is correct. I intentionally go ballistic once in a while when a situation requires people to see themselves in someone else.

Not the greatest approch to get on people's good sides, but it works more often then not.

Youre kidding, right? The programming language is the same(changing languages is a HUGE deal, so its incredibly unlikely that was done). As to the game engine, I seriously doubt it went through such a large change, that it took them a year to figure out how to do it(wouldve been looked at before switch, along with other important imortant functions). Why in the world do you think there was no way to differentiate between 2 items in inventory? So how did the game know if you took out a sword, or a charr hide?

If it wasnt intended, why can you even enter Lornars Pass from Beacons?

Its also common sense that you cant throw fireballs, or create undead creatures from corpses.

Yeah, next time I want to teach my kid that stealing is bad, I'll go rob a bank. That'll show her.

Good post mate, I think the conclusion we can draw from your post is that warrior have been way to overpowerd for a long time in the pve side of things and people cant hack the change.

Certain classes/profesions are going to be made to do better against other proffesions and builds and the warriors armour with the added extra rune asorbtion made a mockery of rangers special stat which made them resistant to elemental damage. Of course certain profesions should have armour bonuses that make them unique. It makes the game more fun, when other builds/proffesions stand out and say play me, it might encourage people to actually look into other profesions. Warrior have or seem to of had alot more work put into them and seem to be the class that over populates guild wars.

As for the idea of adding runes to do with elemental resistance for ranger Im all for supporting this.

Why?

Well warrior get to have 3 different type of wepons, sheilds, and a extra rune(asorbtion) to play with. I dont see why putting a little bit more work into other proffesions in the way of selection of wepons and a extra rune to chose from would hurt.

Warrior have a seperate type of wepon for each artribute, why dont we see this for rangers artributes.

They have no wepons that enhance or work around trapping.

As for the elemental wepons they are utterly useless for anything but enhancing the power or speed of skills, They now can do a little more damage to warrior big deals. Im happy they are now more usefull.

It would be nice to make or see builds that are reliant around doing damage with staffs. And to see wepons that work more effectively against other proffesions.