sick of hohers?
Aussie AJMW
i am sick to death of hearing the absolute BS of people who think there good because they can follow a build set up by someone else. all i hear is IM A RANK 6 ect ect well guess what its just a title. i have friend of the luxons and 86.2% explored. id like to hear some funny stories about this please
makosi
Everyone and their Granny knows that the rank system is trash now because you can grind-farm fame and it doesn't directly represent your skills as a PvP-er. My monk has 17 million xp but thats because I grind-farm the Underworld. Same level of achievement imho. Don't let it get to you. Despite what the GW box says, it is a grinders game.
Ventius Hozza
I'm nearly rank 8 and have 100% of tyria explored on one char, 100% of cantha explored on another.
funny isnt it?
there are a lot of experienced PvP players who actually know what they are doing. I think it's unfair to generalise and say that everyone is using the metagame (I put the words in your mouth, sorry)
when nobody is going to use a totally BS skillbar and expect to win.
It all depends on the player. Stop moaning.
funny isnt it?
there are a lot of experienced PvP players who actually know what they are doing. I think it's unfair to generalise and say that everyone is using the metagame (I put the words in your mouth, sorry)
when nobody is going to use a totally BS skillbar and expect to win.
It all depends on the player. Stop moaning.
Malice Black
the point of this post is?
ppl follow a specific build because it works...if it works means you have a fair chance of winning
winning is the point of playing the game..
ppl follow a specific build because it works...if it works means you have a fair chance of winning
winning is the point of playing the game..
TheMadKingGeorge
rank 8 spike oooh they better at counting than rank 4
Big_L
I dont care how bad tombs degenerates into iway and spike. Its still harder than farming griffons or running around exploring.
makosi
^ You've not seen me farm UW then 
Rent
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Originally Posted by Aussie AJMW
i am sick to death of hearing the absolute BS of people who think there good because they can follow a build set up by someone else. all i hear is IM A RANK 6 ect ect well guess what its just a title. i have friend of the luxons and 86.2% explored. id like to hear some funny stories about this please
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Ventius Hozza
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Originally Posted by Rent
Rank 6 takes quite a bit more time than map completion; though, to be fair, both are equally worthless at measuring your skill as a player.
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Satai Katalya
people are different, if your going to run around assuming things are the same then you dont get the point.
People are great players in different ways. Heck I probably suck in some regards to HA and in other situations quite well.
Too much bitching not enough fun being had.
People are great players in different ways. Heck I probably suck in some regards to HA and in other situations quite well.
Too much bitching not enough fun being had.
cellardweller
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winning is the point of playing the game..
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forelli3600
Rank only indicates experience (maybe even not) and amount of unlocked skills and stuff.
But it has nothing to do with skills. If you play the same builds over and over you will not know how to play other things. In my gvg carreer I saw rank9 guests do the weirdest, stupidest things. Unbelievable
And this happened because they played the same builds in hoh over and voer and then they come in a gvg and don't know what to do.
If a rank 6 wants to farm fow for the first time he will be flamed at by his team.
So if you just play enough and work together every1 can be good in hoh or gvg or whatever.
But it has nothing to do with skills. If you play the same builds over and over you will not know how to play other things. In my gvg carreer I saw rank9 guests do the weirdest, stupidest things. Unbelievable
And this happened because they played the same builds in hoh over and voer and then they come in a gvg and don't know what to do. If a rank 6 wants to farm fow for the first time he will be flamed at by his team.
So if you just play enough and work together every1 can be good in hoh or gvg or whatever.
lacasner
Now that I think about it, what is the real barometer of who is more skilled than some1 else in this game? Lets look at it from a perspective title wise..
Rank:fame-farming is possible, so therefor it can always be assumed that this is how the player obtained their ranking.
Wisdom seeker/treasure:Absolutly does not show player skill.
Explorer:running around, or just fighting things in ur way
Lucky/unlucky:afk title
FoW armor:EBAYING NOOB!
Etc.. Etc.. it goes on, and there is no diffinitive way to tell who is better than some1 else. Guild wars might as well publicly admit that the game is a grinders game, even though they want to give the illusion its not.
Rank:fame-farming is possible, so therefor it can always be assumed that this is how the player obtained their ranking.
Wisdom seeker/treasure:Absolutly does not show player skill.
Explorer:running around, or just fighting things in ur way
Lucky/unlucky:afk title
FoW armor:EBAYING NOOB!
Etc.. Etc.. it goes on, and there is no diffinitive way to tell who is better than some1 else. Guild wars might as well publicly admit that the game is a grinders game, even though they want to give the illusion its not.
dreamhunk
another good reason rpg players will never ever get along with pvp players!
Ventius Hozza
I knew titles would be a bad idea... -_-
Alleji
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rank 8 spike oooh they better at counting than rank 4
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And yes, we count better than rank 4's too. Thanks.
EDIT: Yes, rank can be farmed. "Grandmaster cartographer" means nothing, etc, etc, etc. For every title you can think up an argument that makes it meaningless in your head. But if you stop deluding yourself, you might realize that statistically, that rank 6 "farmer" will know more about PvP than a rank 0. Rank isn't an absolute, it's a guideline.
B Ephekt
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Originally Posted by Aussie AJMW
i am sick to death of hearing the absolute BS of people who think there good because they can follow a build set up by someone else. all i hear is IM A RANK 6 ect ect well guess what its just a title. i have friend of the luxons and 86.2% explored. id like to hear some funny stories about this please
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Originally Posted by Rent
Rank 6 takes quite a bit more time than map completion; though, to be fair, both are equally worthless at measuring your skill as a player.
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eternal pho
Rank all the time, doesn't mean ur good at that build...
axe
People that complain about things are doing so for 2 reasons.
1) They cant get what they want so instead of trying to better themselves they imediately jump to the conclusion that its not skill that could beat them, so something must be wrong.
2) They truly know what they are talking about and something is out of whack.
#2 rarley happens.
If you want be better at pressing buttons than that guy with the tiger you have 2 choices. 1) learn how to grind. Or 2) put in some time like the people who actually do open cans on fools.
Either way you can get your tiger and earn 0 (thats Zero) respect from people who dont have a clue what it took to get that emote and likewise some pvpers dont know how much time and energy it takes to get pve titles, but the bottom line is, you wear your title because YOU are proud of it.
1) They cant get what they want so instead of trying to better themselves they imediately jump to the conclusion that its not skill that could beat them, so something must be wrong.
2) They truly know what they are talking about and something is out of whack.
#2 rarley happens.
If you want be better at pressing buttons than that guy with the tiger you have 2 choices. 1) learn how to grind. Or 2) put in some time like the people who actually do open cans on fools.
Either way you can get your tiger and earn 0 (thats Zero) respect from people who dont have a clue what it took to get that emote and likewise some pvpers dont know how much time and energy it takes to get pve titles, but the bottom line is, you wear your title because YOU are proud of it.
majoho
I never had any rank and I never cared
Ventius Hozza
People who can do it do it
People who can't talk about it.
And, yes anyone who mentioned experience = rank is right. The bar you use isn't really in the equation, if you know tactics and what to do in certain situations, even the toughtest bar to play will be easier to figure out.
I'm also guessing that it's the unranked or unsatisfied people who are complaining about the rank system, am I correct? probably
People who can't talk about it.
And, yes anyone who mentioned experience = rank is right. The bar you use isn't really in the equation, if you know tactics and what to do in certain situations, even the toughtest bar to play will be easier to figure out.
I'm also guessing that it's the unranked or unsatisfied people who are complaining about the rank system, am I correct? probably
floplag
the issue here isnt how its obtianed.. neither side has any real moral ground on this one .. rank can be farmed, gold can be bought.. either way theres always doubt until you actually play with the player
but, therin lies the rub... just because a player plays PvE or PvP doesnt mean anything on the other side. skills or theories that are commonplace and powerful in one, are totally invalid in the other
ive spent most of my time in the game up till the last couple of months in the PvE side... and recently got more into PvP with alliance battles and such. i think ive got a pretty good grasps on the single builds.. and my guild has worked some 4 man team builds in AB as well
ive tried like crazy to get more into HA, but without rank noones takes you .. and you cant get rank with PUGs against the endless waves of IWAY etc..
more and more ive talked to PvE players that want to do PvP as well.. but there seems such an intolerance and resentment of it from the PvP players at times. the chorus of Noob and such.. but my god everyone started somewhere
isnt it better to have some class and teach to build the stable of players ? than to insult and drive them off ?? ive never understood that mentality. like it or not.. the highest ranked player out there was once, yes, a noob.
but, therin lies the rub... just because a player plays PvE or PvP doesnt mean anything on the other side. skills or theories that are commonplace and powerful in one, are totally invalid in the other
ive spent most of my time in the game up till the last couple of months in the PvE side... and recently got more into PvP with alliance battles and such. i think ive got a pretty good grasps on the single builds.. and my guild has worked some 4 man team builds in AB as well
ive tried like crazy to get more into HA, but without rank noones takes you .. and you cant get rank with PUGs against the endless waves of IWAY etc..
more and more ive talked to PvE players that want to do PvP as well.. but there seems such an intolerance and resentment of it from the PvP players at times. the chorus of Noob and such.. but my god everyone started somewhere
isnt it better to have some class and teach to build the stable of players ? than to insult and drive them off ?? ive never understood that mentality. like it or not.. the highest ranked player out there was once, yes, a noob.
B Ephekt
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the issue here isnt how its obtianed.. neither side has any real moral ground on this one .. rank can be farmed, gold can be bought.. either way theres always doubt until you actually play with the player
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Then there's the issue of simply being a nice guy. I will happily play with someone who isn't necessarily the best, or high ranked, as long as they're poilte, listen and don't rage quit.
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Also, I'd suggest giving this thread a look if you're trying to get into HA without PUGing.
Yichi
Im sorry but honestly, there are some people that should stick to PVE and others that should break into PVP. You can tell these types of people from talkign to them. some utterly dont have a clue... these are the people that you always see whining and bitching about OMG I CANT GET INTO A GRP. FAME IS SO HARD... These are the types of people that bring up all these pointless posts abotu how the rank system isnt fair, you did this, you did that, blah blah blah... The reason why rank DOES mean at least somethign is that most people do not have the coordination, skill, and or tactics to run a build efficiently. you do have to have some player skill behind the build in order to make it effective unless youre runnign igay, in which case any nub can think they are good at pvp. players skill will reflect in rank to some extent. if you say it doesnt, youre full of shit. and yes there are very bad pvp players as well that dont have skill and rode the coattails of 7 others who HAVE skill. see it all the time.
Others from talkign to them have a good general idea of whats going on, done their research on builds, characters, maps, etc.. and have a shot at pvp. these are the types of people that show more of a willingness to learn and willingness to grow with the pvp metagame as it is always changing.
I am a big pvp player. to me gvg and to a lesser, much lesser extent HA > everything else in this game. The challenge of grabbing 7 other peopel who have the same drive and to go after 8 other people who have the same drive = fun for me. BUT i do enjoy pve once in a while with friends. I still pve and enjoy my time runnig around mindlessly slaughtering things that dont hardly fight back.
Others from talkign to them have a good general idea of whats going on, done their research on builds, characters, maps, etc.. and have a shot at pvp. these are the types of people that show more of a willingness to learn and willingness to grow with the pvp metagame as it is always changing.
I am a big pvp player. to me gvg and to a lesser, much lesser extent HA > everything else in this game. The challenge of grabbing 7 other peopel who have the same drive and to go after 8 other people who have the same drive = fun for me. BUT i do enjoy pve once in a while with friends. I still pve and enjoy my time runnig around mindlessly slaughtering things that dont hardly fight back.
leprekan
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I dont care how bad tombs degenerates into iway and spike. Its still harder than farming griffons or running around exploring.
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Remember Blah's LEROOOOOOOY charge in FOW=p
Beat_Go_Stick
I'm R1 and that's as far as I care to get. It's not that rank would be too hard to go grind out, nor that HA is too rough....top 100 GvG is much more challenging (and unfortunately also too time consuming for me to maintain my position in my Guild).
The thing that really gets to me is the shear numbers of elitist gamers that gongregate in HA. I mean, I've met more assholes there than anywhere else in this game even though I've only spent about 1% of my time there.
End result, HA is not the place for me. Having fun is much more rewarding than dealing with those who take the game much too seriously. Not that everyone there is a jerk, mind you, but if you give someone a "rank" that says they are better than someone else, it goes to their head far too often for my taste
So what am I saying? Well, rank is certainly a good example of time spent in HA/HoH and a good way to guage how experienced someone is at playing there. Nobody who has an opinion worth caring about thinks that it's an automatic and infallible testament to that players skills level....but it does show (more often than not) who will understand why you do certain things on certain maps and who will need to be told.
If you don't like dealing with people who have self-inflated egos, don't play in HA. If you want to be one of them, well, you know what needs to be done. The sooner you manage r3, the sooner people will teat you better
Also,
That's exactly the link most of you wanting to fix this issue need. Go there, make some friends, get together, have some fun
The thing that really gets to me is the shear numbers of elitist gamers that gongregate in HA. I mean, I've met more assholes there than anywhere else in this game even though I've only spent about 1% of my time there.
End result, HA is not the place for me. Having fun is much more rewarding than dealing with those who take the game much too seriously. Not that everyone there is a jerk, mind you, but if you give someone a "rank" that says they are better than someone else, it goes to their head far too often for my taste
So what am I saying? Well, rank is certainly a good example of time spent in HA/HoH and a good way to guage how experienced someone is at playing there. Nobody who has an opinion worth caring about thinks that it's an automatic and infallible testament to that players skills level....but it does show (more often than not) who will understand why you do certain things on certain maps and who will need to be told.
If you don't like dealing with people who have self-inflated egos, don't play in HA. If you want to be one of them, well, you know what needs to be done. The sooner you manage r3, the sooner people will teat you better
Also,
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I'd suggest giving this thread a look if you're trying to get into HA without PUGing.
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Origin
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But if you stop deluding yourself, you might realize that statistically, that rank 6 "farmer" will know more about PvP than a rank 0. Rank isn't an absolute, it's a guideline.
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Simply, it's not guideline, everyoen that just have passed every round in HA know what to do...
Sarevok Thordin
Lets not forget people who buy high ranked accounts =o
Big_L
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LOL Calm
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touche.
Sister Brianne
"Farming" rank involves hours upon hours of winning and losing matches in the tournament. It involves hours and hours of getting used to new builds, figuring out the metagame, and making relationships with good players to aid your quest for a Tiger. This earns you experience which makes you a better player. Thus Rank does incicate how good a player is in HA.
Whils struggling through a Grand Master Cartographer title might be time consuming it doesn't make you a better player because you hardly learn anything to advance yourself as a player in teh game. Oh suer, you can say...I know where ther is a really cool view....in that case you will own a pvp'er.
In the end, what it comes down to is what people care about. If you care about high rank then it becomes more desirable to you. If you care about exploring the whole map tehn a explorer title will seem better to you.
In other words, don't start threads to flame people that you have no idea about...
We don't post about how lame it is to 55/SS teh uw and get soo rich and spend all your money to get so cool so you can say you are the best....Whatever.
Whils struggling through a Grand Master Cartographer title might be time consuming it doesn't make you a better player because you hardly learn anything to advance yourself as a player in teh game. Oh suer, you can say...I know where ther is a really cool view....in that case you will own a pvp'er.
In the end, what it comes down to is what people care about. If you care about high rank then it becomes more desirable to you. If you care about exploring the whole map tehn a explorer title will seem better to you.
In other words, don't start threads to flame people that you have no idea about...
We don't post about how lame it is to 55/SS teh uw and get soo rich and spend all your money to get so cool so you can say you are the best....Whatever.
Ventius Hozza
That's the thing, everyone started somewhere, everyone knows how much hate they absorbed, everyone has changed into an elitist. Think, high-school bullying, that's how it starts. After all, "I am the number one priority" seems to be human nature, no? We were born with instinct to succeed for ourselves.
Say, if James wants to get his rank 9. Say Steven is a rankless player, who just made the leap from PvE. Why in the world would James take Steven if Steven has no prior knowledge of being in a PvP group and how PvP works in reality. Sure you could simplify it and say "GW works the same in both" but the fact is, it doesn't. Experience is key to success.
I hate it when people say "I think I'll stick to having fun rather than playing PvP". It doesn't work like that because you're not on the correct side of the argument. It's no fun because you haven't persevered to become anything big in PvP. Trust me, when things go your way in PvP, it's the best feeling you could have in GW.
It's much like if I go into FoW for the first time as an only-PvP player, then I could say "OMGWTFBBQ this is too hard I quit, I'd much rather have fun in PvP", or I could keep at it. Eventually I'd start enjoying it, no?
Say, if James wants to get his rank 9. Say Steven is a rankless player, who just made the leap from PvE. Why in the world would James take Steven if Steven has no prior knowledge of being in a PvP group and how PvP works in reality. Sure you could simplify it and say "GW works the same in both" but the fact is, it doesn't. Experience is key to success.
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End result, HA is not the place for me. Having fun is much more rewarding than dealing with those who take the game much too seriously. Not that everyone there is a jerk, mind you, but if you give someone a "rank" that says they are better than someone else, it goes to their head far too often for my taste
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It's much like if I go into FoW for the first time as an only-PvP player, then I could say "OMGWTFBBQ this is too hard I quit, I'd much rather have fun in PvP", or I could keep at it. Eventually I'd start enjoying it, no?
Kaldor Meshekal
You'd never see this in the PvE crowd:
"LF Kind of A Big Deal Party for Eternal Grove"
Only this by dumb PvP people:
"LF Rank 4 Party for Eternal Grove"
And nothing but this in HA:
"LF Rank # group" and "Show your rank nub" and "omg not ranked" and "lf IWAY 'cause I'm too stupid to come up with my own build" and "lol you're guildless noob" and I could go on, but I'm bored. These are quotes (with my addition on the Iway one) from people in HA in the like 1 minute I was in there. This is why I don't PvP other than Alliance and RA.
(edit the quotes in your mind for spelling and add more numbers instead of letters for the further deteriation of the English language by illiterate twelve year-olds
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"LF Kind of A Big Deal Party for Eternal Grove"
Only this by dumb PvP people:
"LF Rank 4 Party for Eternal Grove"
And nothing but this in HA:
"LF Rank # group" and "Show your rank nub" and "omg not ranked" and "lf IWAY 'cause I'm too stupid to come up with my own build" and "lol you're guildless noob" and I could go on, but I'm bored. These are quotes (with my addition on the Iway one) from people in HA in the like 1 minute I was in there. This is why I don't PvP other than Alliance and RA.
(edit the quotes in your mind for spelling and add more numbers instead of letters for the further deteriation of the English language by illiterate twelve year-olds
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Sister Brianne
*Oops*
Sister Brianne
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I hate it when people say "I think I'll stick to having fun rather than playing PvP". It doesn't work like that because you're not on the correct side of the argument. It's no fun because you haven't persevered to become anything big in PvP. Trust me, when things go your way in PvP, it's the best feeling you could have in GW.
It's much like if I go into FoW for the first time as an only-PvP player, then I could say "OMGWTFBBQ this is too hard I quit, I'd much rather have fun in PvP", or I could keep at it. Eventually I'd start enjoying it, no? |
Dr Strangelove
Someone's a Bitter McSourgrapes. You're complaining about people who have made an accomplishment, then go on to list your own. You can take every title and accomplishment ingame and marginalize it, but that still doesn't change the fact that they were able to accomplish it, you were not.
No one started out with r9, everyone had to earn it somehow. As for complaining about showing it off, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you display those fancy titles you've earned? Or maybe that you wear armor other than 1.5k?
No one started out with r9, everyone had to earn it somehow. As for complaining about showing it off, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you display those fancy titles you've earned? Or maybe that you wear armor other than 1.5k?
Priest Of Sin
*puts on burn-cream*
*puts on fire-proof suit*
*gets fire-resistant underwear on OVER fire-proof suit*
*puts on another fire-proof suit*
*encases self in ice*
*encases ice in dried ice*
*flies to pluto*
Ok, enough anti-flame protection there....
Personally, rank is all moot to me. I don't give a **** if you can kill another player quicker than me, and i'm sure you don't give a **** that I can kill thousands of PvE monsters faster than you. It's all how a person likes to play.
Although I will say that i'd be more into HoH if it wasn't so damn stuck up... players need to pull their heads outta their own asses long enough to realize that altho i'm rank 0, I still may be good.
*braces for flames*
*puts on fire-proof suit*
*gets fire-resistant underwear on OVER fire-proof suit*
*puts on another fire-proof suit*
*encases self in ice*
*encases ice in dried ice*
*flies to pluto*
Ok, enough anti-flame protection there....
Personally, rank is all moot to me. I don't give a **** if you can kill another player quicker than me, and i'm sure you don't give a **** that I can kill thousands of PvE monsters faster than you. It's all how a person likes to play.
Although I will say that i'd be more into HoH if it wasn't so damn stuck up... players need to pull their heads outta their own asses long enough to realize that altho i'm rank 0, I still may be good.
*braces for flames*
art_
You may have the potential to be a great player; ie you may pick things up quickly and be tactically astute, but until you know all the fotms and their weaknesses inside out you aren't much good in HA's gimmicky environment.
Sister Brianne
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The biggest reason why we seem stuck up is because we don't let less experienced players play with us.
I is true that i wouldn't want you in my group....Im sure that you are a nice guy...but you are a noob (no offence) in PvP. THe goal of the tournament is to win.
Would you want me to be a 55 for you on a uw run if i had never done it b4...probably not.
BTW...In order to do those UW runs you rely on us PvPers....(America has taken favor from Europe)
duanstar
Rank as a whole in general is a decent measurer of experience (and maybe skill). Go get a r2 PUG monk; more than likely, he won't kite as well as a r7.
However, sometimes it becomes ridiculous with small rank differences. I remember hanging out in HA and seeing a r7 infuser spam for a group while a r8 group spammed for an infuser. 30 minutes later, after lunch, both of them were still there looking for a group/an infuser.
You always get a few exceptions (a r7 IWAY w/r playing infuser for the first time), but in general, rank does have some value. If you didn't, PUGs would be harder to form and as a result, no one would HA except with their friends/guildies.
However, sometimes it becomes ridiculous with small rank differences. I remember hanging out in HA and seeing a r7 infuser spam for a group while a r8 group spammed for an infuser. 30 minutes later, after lunch, both of them were still there looking for a group/an infuser.
You always get a few exceptions (a r7 IWAY w/r playing infuser for the first time), but in general, rank does have some value. If you didn't, PUGs would be harder to form and as a result, no one would HA except with their friends/guildies.
Winds
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^^FLAME^^...Now taht that is out of teh way...
The biggest reason why we seem stuck up is because we don't let less experienced players play with us. I is true that i wouldn't want you in my group....Im sure that you are a nice guy...but you are a noob (no offence) in PvP. THe goal of the tournament is to win. Would you want me to be a 55 for you on a uw run if i had never done it b4...probably not. as BTW...In order to do those UW runs you rely on us PvPers....(America has taken favor from Europe) |
You talk like your a badass ; "us pvpers". that was so elitest it wasnt funny. How often do you win halls?