Are there no mature people playing this game?

Wow. Thanks for all the replies, lots of good info here (ie. don't give out personal info). I guess I should've known better.

My comments on the monthly fee: I wasn't actually serious. I, too, think it's great this game doesn't have a monthly fee.

My comments on age vs maturity: My apologies to the young mature people out there. If you can keep your heads on straight you're going to go far in life with your positive attitudes. When I talk about immature people, I'm not talking about you guys

I got about a dozen PMs, so if I don't respond to yours in particular I apologize. I'll try to get everyone. My in game character's name is Xorena Kai if anyone wants to look us up.

EDIT to the above poster:

Treat people as a function of who you are, not as a function of who they are, or the environment you're in. It's a shame people use the crappy reporting system in this game as a license for bad behavior.

I was half-serious but it's true that Guild Wars has the most retarded community I have seen in any online game I've played, including the infamous Counter Strike . Contrary to what some peope have said in this thread, monthly fees actually do a good job to filter idiots. I have yet to witness the dreaded immaturity of the WoW players, I'd really like GW players to be as "immature" as them.

Wife here - hubby plays too.

Hard to find mature people, of any age I agree though.

I love how its considered a 'Mature' outlook on life to suggest changing the rules to get rid of something you dont want, personally the "lets change the billing structure" at the end, very immature.

Not only would you cut out all the annoying kiddies with far too much time on their hands, youd cut out sensible people like me who play a fun game that has no fees, and is therefore non commital, so it can fit in around their social life, student life, work life and so on.

There are many mature players playing GW, not just in age, but in how they act, and there again are many immature, your probably just going about trying to find them all the wrong way. Why not sue the guild search function here to try and find a guild with players that suit you more?

As a minor counterpoint...

I've been playing GW for a year now. Always PVE, but never, ever PUG -- I either hench or play with an IRW friend or two. Sadly, I've run into plenty of immaturity and nastiness in the game, enough to cause some of my friends to leave the game, but, thankfully, for PVE you can avoid a lot of it just by only playing with people you know. With PVP, of course, that's not so much an option and one of a number of reasons I've avoided PVP was all of the reports I read in the groups about how bad it can be. However the possibility of winning enough medallions to earn a celestial sigil this weekend was enough to tempt me -- it'd be nice if my friends and I and our little guild had our own hall, better still if it was 'earned' (albeit not the 'right' way).

So I spent an hour or two Friday and much of Saturday playing RA. I expected to get called 'noob' a lot and get often and roundly cursed for my general cluelessness -- it wouldn't have been entirely unwarranted, given I was/am new to things. I expected to see a lot of nastiness, especially from whomever lost. My expectations were not met. I didn't get called 'noob' (or whatever variant) once, and I saw very little in the way of immaturity. Even when my team lost on what would have been the tenth win (something that happened depressingly often), I saw people often say things like "Oh well, it was a good run" and such. For every one twit I saw type something insulting or immature, I saw ten people say something adult and sports(wo)man-like. Normally I might have only noticed the former and not the latter, such is human nature, but I was expecting so much more of the former and none of the latter than the preponderance of maturity slightly shocked me.

Granted, this weekend isn't typical, RA being filled with 'noobs' like myself maybe takes a little of the edge off since my lack of skill didn't stand out as much as it otherwise might have. And, granted, I'm certainly not saying there isn't a lot of immaturity in the game in general, there certainly is and it's tolerated too easily. But, as someone who has in the past bitched at length about said immaturity, I had to relate how I've been betrayed by my own negative expectations.

I expected to have to wade in a lot of immature bile to get that sigil, instead I had a pleasant, relatively mature, time.

Your 1st mistake was trying to find mature people playing pvp. THERE ARE'NT ANY

Overnite you can't of played wow very much then, as I found more morons in wow in 10 mins then I have in a year in GW

Irritating as it is, I remind myself to find the amusement when a warrior who has charged ahead and aggroed every group in the compass onto the party dies and then rants about what a "noob" the healer is. Last time, I was the healer and was so mad.........especially when he told me that his warrior had done waaaaay more damage than my character had since her creation! Well, yeah. She's a healer, he's a warrior. It's a no-brainer.

When husband and I play in a PuG together, it's usually, "omg, really? She's your wife? That's cool! I wish my (gf, wife) would play but not women are into gaming" type of response.

A player got peeved the other day when I popped into Shing Jea (I think) and commented on the potty-mouth language with a comment similar to "You can tell school's out. All the 12 yr olds have come out to play." The player came back with a "who you calling 12, damn it! I'm 13!! " Yep, that makes a big difference.

There are immature players at all ages. I took a screenshot in the Marketplace yesterday of some moron thinking he was cool by insisting in all-chat that a female avatar "suck my c***" (edited for some decency). He was so insistent that soon he was shouting in all caps and then added a few variations. Most people seemed to be ignoring him, luckily.

Yes, I know that's what the chat filter is there for, but why should I be forced to have it set high for disrespectful people thinking it's 'cool' to use excessive profanity or vulgar language? I can understand (and indulge myself) in cursing at a foe in battle or even dancing on their cooling corpse afterwards, but the generalized inappropriate language and behaviour really only shows immaturity, not any sort of 'cool' factor.

If I were the parent walking in to see that being typed/used by my kid, they'd be blowing bubbles for a week!

I beg to differ, 90% of the morons I get, I get in PvE.

I have 2 lvl 60's so I guess I've played it long enough to know that the overall maturity level is much higher. Aside from minor annoyances, like kiddies who want to duel everything that moves and flame you when you refuse there's really nothing that can compare to the incredible moronity of some of GW players.

now there is a really smart gamer. CHARGE PEOPLE!!!! im am really tired of "noobs" that beg in the middle of the town and what not. im sure if Anet made us pay there willl still be beggers as there are necver a shortage of that. But i do feel strongly about not charge people lol as i am not super rich but w/e if its a fun game i will dish out some cash...

oh and btw if you are looking to Pvp in halls you can just pm me or something as i run halls all the time and i diont talk about sex and stuff.. (ugh soo childish) but thats up to you

gl on your later runs and plz dont think that everyone is so childish as those people.

[sarc]
The thread starter is so obviously not a woman... I'm sure its a weather balloon or a cloud or something.[/endsarc]

Join a guild. For instance, my guilds officers are pretty much all adults. And yes, children play, but they aren't as stereotypical as you'd believe. I'm only 13, and I was officer for a while. So...

join teh guildz lolo1l10l!

Well you can't of done much pvp then as I found 99% of all the morons in GW in pvp. The ones who insult you, if you either A) beat them or B) They beat you. The one who try and tell you how to play your build but don't have a clue how to play thiers. The ones with a high rank who think thier the best thing around but can't play anything except iway. And so on.

Maybe you where lucky then. But in what little time I spent in wow due to it being SOOO boreing I found the avarage maturity of wow to be VASTLY below that of GW. Haveing a monthly fee does VERY little if anything to effect the maturity level.

I like to think of playing GW as passing through a ghetto or slum. There are
some really nice, decent people there. But the ones that are most likely to
stick their heads up are the nasty, slimy, sleezy ones.
If you walk through a ghetto saying " Does anyone want to be my friend and
play with me ", guess which ones will respond? You're just going to have
to be a little more subtle you go about finding like minded players.

I am also a wife and player....and seeing as my 40th birthday has come and gone........I guess I would be filled under 'mature'......yes, I am old and both my hubby and I play (it is something we can do together and its pretty much free and easy to get to..) so I was convinced to play, and now I am addicted (its all his fault).
I pve, I suuuck big time at pvp (reflexes just aint what they used to be) so we either hench around or join a few pugs---very rarely do I discuss my age or sex with people unless I get really ticked off (yes, I was called a kid one day....hm, i am old enough to have GRANDkids......lol)....otherwise I usually just ignore the stupid childhood antics that the kids do.....and I usually dont play my monk...though he is the only character to have gotten his protector title (and yes, I DID let the childish warrior die once or twice for his insolence, noob my arthritis )
soooooo....I usually just ignore the childish conments and go on playing....

haha... QFT

While I'm sure I'd qualify as a n00b by many peoples definitions, 17 days of game play, 16 years old, just got to level 20 and the desert a few days ago. I'd like to think that I've been atleast more respectful and kind than most people I've found in the game. The lack of maturity is annoying and I hoped it would stop eventually, meaning that most people like that would have quit trying because it's too hard or too much effort, but this really dosen't seem to be the case anymore.

I can't talk about PvP because I'v tried maybe 3 times and gotten flamed to the point of leaving the group, despite being the healer often times, however PvE is just as bad or worse in some cases. From what I've seen though in big towns (Ascalon, Lion's Arch) the most immature and annoying people generally stay in distract 1 and 2. While it's not foolproof I've been more succesful finding actual good people in the higher number distracts. Good meaning a combo of skilled and well mature for the most part. So just throwing that out as a way to possibly avoid it.
Uhh, please forgive my horrible spelling.

But other people dont care if you're married. You know you're married, why tell others when they dont care? Dont give that information, it wont get you more invites.

Good tip, Darkwyrm. I may switch to a higher level district next time I'm in town and people are spamming for horny ladies, sex chat, or someone to suck their dick or show them their pussy (and similar crap). Seriously, I can put up with kids being kids and talking silly, but when I'm signed onto GW at 8pm at night and it feels like I've wandered into a red light district or somehow found myself on an XXX Chat Line, it's crazy.

Thats why I NEVER have local chat turned on in any big city. Or in fact in any outpost unless I need to find a group. And since the only places I do need to find a group are warcamp and the warren. I have so far avoided any of the above. I also switch off local as soon as I have a group.

The worst is probably Diablo 2 or maybe RuneScape. WoW and Counterstrike aren't really idiot magnets, they just have huge player bases. Since idiots tend to congregate at a single spot, the idiot population can seem far larger than it actually is in those games. For Counterstrike, play on a good private server where an admin is keeping things straight instead of leaving it to player voting. For WoW, find a good guild (similar to Guild Wars I suppose).

Diablo 2 has no such privacy and only the hardest of core find their way into a good clan. RuneScape... well, what can you really expect from a game played in a web browser for free?

I may end up doing that, but it's less than an ideal solution. We shouldn't have to turn off local chat because players who are in clear violation of GW's policies are allowed to run rampant. I like to help people out when they ask questions about the game, etc., and I can't do that with local chat turned off. But I do understand why you turn it off, and why I may eventually turn it off, too.

I play, and I act mature 99.99999 percent of the time...okay okay, I confess, 99.99998 percent of the time

The Internet Rule:
Normal Person+Anonymity+Audience=Complete Immature Idiot.

Words changed to avoid Red Engine

Guilds are generally a nice filter for immature players, since a lot of the better guilds onlly accept new members based on referral, and even then, put them on a probationary period. Usually, guilds who have their own ventrillo or teamspeak server are more serious about keeping immature players out, and having a good guild is a nice way to ensure that local chat can stay off. Guild groups are always fun in pvp, and when you're pve'ing, having your own guildie monks means you can easily replace rude and obnoxious players in your team. My guild has a husband and wife couple in it, and we have mostly adults, but we don't turn down kids if they're mature. Anyway, the point is, it's obviously going to be hard to find mature individuals, but you need to look for a decent guild, or better yet, make one out of your friends list. Also, you've really got to be careful how you word anything in a public message There's always gonna be at least that one person...One more thing, when you get comments like "you let your wife play guildwars", don't try to take it so seriously, it was most likely not meant to offend. Infact, I'd be willing to bet that your husband would have laughed at that one if the message were sent to him .

Well, thats exactly what we are talking about. A mature person doesn't transform in a complete idiot i'm afraid
Mature Person+ Anonimity + Audience = Mature Person , maybe a interesting one you had no idea it was there.

Agree totally with Lando Griffen in this.

I'd suggest you too to try to join a guild with very strict politics on age ( > 18 , > 25 , > 30 )and behaviour,so you can play with the security to do it in a sane and satisfiying environment . With persons that not only will behave (thats the bare minimum too many ppl doesn't even achieve) but also bring to a better and happyer gaming with them.

ive noticed that latley, there are alot of imature people. err mostly kids under 13 thinking thier all cool -.- oh and monthley fee is not much of a good idea cuz thats one of the reasons why people get guildwars

Hmm, Guild Wars is rated Teen, so legally speaking, kids under 13 shouldn't be playing this game at all.

Oh come on let's be realistic. You cant avoid idiots in IRL as well. Not completely. You can spend more time in isolation, but that's similiar to turning off local chan.

If you think GW is a separate space-time continuum, think again. It's not. It represents the usual population out there. Maybe with a bit more kids but nothing drastic IMO. The real difference is that, IRL u would get smacked for saying some of the things, and online you get away with it.

The same solution for GW is as in IRL. Surround yourself with people you like. That's about it. Get in better guild, or if that's not option build friends list. I will admit it's not always easy, but it can be rewarding.

One other thing i'd like to say is - adapt. Sorry but, you cannot be that sensitive. No, i dont like a lot of talks in local can as well, etc. Yes i run into many #$$#%&$ people as well. But you need to learn how to handle it, and rage-quitting is awesome solution sometimes, if it's someone in your team, or just moving on, if it's in local chan. Yes yes, sexual talk, morbid talk, immature talks of any kind, toilet humor... but move on. Ignore it. There are a lot of things i dont like, or im saddened to see, but i try not to get in depression about it haha Seriously, just as this sexual (and alike) talk frustrates you, so i am frustrated by slutty girls, selfish people in missions who run after loot jeopardizing mission after which i fail to get masters, people with attitude "but i dont like to think" (their own words btw), people who beg for money but dont want to farm themselves etc. I could make a huge list but it's pointless. So what im saying is - gather those you like around you. It works.

Not all children are immature. Im 16 but if i do talk about sex + so forth, i make sure its with my close buddies, not just rudely talk about it anywhere. Yes taht may sound like a contradiction but theres a fine difference between tact and friendly, ie not talking about inapporpiate topics outside ur close circle. I dont try to do anything online that i dont do in real life.

lol, that is so true. that's why there is so many of them in this game that always run their mouth. it's just best to ignore these obnoxious and immature people. there's plenty in guild wars, sad but true. best not try to get into an argument with them as they will keep running their mouths because they well knowingly they can get away with it online.

R3 is not hard to get with balanced hell i did it and didnt iway once, lots of spikes and balanced.


Back to the topic as was aforementioned i do believe that Monthly fees will not help in the least bit parents will still pay. Besides, some players dont want to waste there money and we would be loosing some of the best players in the game. you never know.

As a general rule, how vocal a person is in-game is inversely propotionate to their maturity level.

There a nice people out there, you just have to find them.

Besides the immaturity, I thought a lot of the population of guild wars players are +16 or 17 years old?

Nope most GW players are 20++++

Welcome to the wide world of Guild wars OP. Ive been wanting to pvp for a while but people are just...stupid..Im up for trying stuff with ya.

(I dont do drugs/talk about drugs or anything like that, although I still would be considered a kid, I dont act it.)

I'm usually civil... usually...

But then when I'm playing RA and I get a wammo on my team (now that they have good premades)... I get angry.

Pardon my asking, but where did you pull that demographic?

I guess I'm not under the category of "Most GW Players" then. :fakerolleyes:

I'm quite sick of immature people giving my age group a bad name. I'm thirteen. Maturity is very easy to control in game because you just have to type things that aren't immature, and also having correct grammer with typing, somehow that impresses people. But there are those who really creep on my nerves from time to time. Asking about a guild a guy told me I was immature after asking my age and nothing else, interesting bit of irony going on there if you think about it. (I know this is a /rant moment, but on the topic of maturity...)
On the note of your problem, I think it's great that you have a Husband+Wife duo going, but like mentioned earlier don't say it, it invokes those annoying immature comments that you got of course. Two people looking for group is a hurdle, sometimes people don't want both those professions that you're planning on playing, or have only need of one person. My solution for pugs, if I get involved with them at all, I don't post looking for group, the people who need you will be posting LF: Professions, an active guild with mature people would be great for your situation too, but of a couple of things in PvP would be the fact that some people don't accept members over a rank:An old prejudice that has been there for a long time. And of course I have found after two months over a year of playing this game that getting a guild by no means you're getting mature people. I would say when in doubt don't even tell people that you're Husband+Wife even after you get on vent, just tell them you're two people who have each other on the friends list and are looking for a group, try not to use rl names or anything. This could cut out all the jokes, tell them as the wife that you're married so that you don't get hit on, problems with that solved.(This is for pugs, once you have some mature people you know I would guess you can be open with the knowledge)
I'm thinking that age twenty plus thing, that's a load of crap, most of the people I meet in the GW community, at least in my PvP oriented GW style, seem to be between the ages of 15~19.

I have to agree with you after reading a few GvG observe chat this weekend

A monthly fee would be the dumbest thing they could do, but I won't get into why for obvious reasons.

World of Warcraft has a monthly fee and their community is one of the worst in any online game, kids still invade it or potheads.

GW has a decent community PvE wise, and PvP there will always be aholes. It's a competiton/competetive game, people will show their anger or try to show off depending on whether they win or lose.