Are there no mature people playing this game?

I never knew that the rating was a law, I always thought it was more of a guideline for parents.

And while I'm posting being older doesnt make you mature. I'm 14 but that is no reason to class me with those idiots.

The day I bought factions (about six weeks ago), and started playing guildwars again after a break of several months, I joined a random group for the first factions mission out of Tyria. It was a disaster. I experienced the height of rudness and immaturity. After we failed that mission, I tried a new group (I never stay with one who fails a mission, and puts the blame solely on the monk... me), and with the new group, I got lucky. They were a guild group, with only me as the random person (everyone always needs monks). They knew what they were doing, and they were very polite. I joined their guild (my old one had nobody on more recently than 3 months prior), and have found them to be very helpful, polite, and mature. Moral is, sometimes you get lucky.

Also, age has nothing to do with maturity. Just as some younger players can be very mature, some older ones can make you want to bang your head against the wall. Take the pair of 26 year olds I saw betting each other to snort sprinkles (yes, the ones you put on cakes) last semester.

So, join an active, mature guild, in an active, mature alliance.

There are plenty of mature PvPers. The problem you're facing, is the problem almost everyone has when they're looking for a pickup group; The majority of players who have no group, are extremely immature.

Here are a few suggestions and observations that I hope will help you:


1) Build a friends list. Everyone that you meet that's mature, willing to group, and a good player or willing to learn, add them to friends.

After awhile, you'll find that you can always build a team using only players from your friends list, and when you can't, you'll find your friends usually have other mature friends that can come. Or, at the very worst you might have to take 1-2 pickups, which certainly isn't as bad as a team full of pickups.

As odd as this may sound sound, PvP is just as much about social skills as it is about player skill and teamwork.


2) Find a guild. I'd advise against joining any guild that's advertising in local chat, as most of these guilds tend to not be serious PvP guilds, are highly inactive, have extremely immature leaders/officers/members, or are simply whacked out in some other way. I recommend only joining a guild where you already know some of the members(friends list ftw). This can land you in some great, serious guilds with mature members.


3) When you do PUG, try to form your own group. This way, when you have the guy who joins the group, logs on vent and screams "z0mg w0manz!1!!!" very ecstatically on Vent, or simply won't listen to anyone, you can kick them. Make sure to interview members, the best way to do this is instead of having a "Self-invite" policy, have a whisper for information policy when advertising. Make sure to ask them questions like; "What can you play?", "What are you currently rolled as?" "Can you play a/an *insert build* with *insert skills and attributes*?".

Make sure you know what build you want to play, and what skills and attributes everyone should have, before starting a PUG. When the players are finished rolling, inform them of their general role. Alot of people might already know it, but some may not. If you're going with a full PUG, try to pick a simple build, that doesn't require alot of teamwork or multi-tasking.


4) Never openly advertise personal information. It may be (very) important to you, but your average stranger doesn't care, and your average 10-year-old will hassle you about it until you put them on ignore.


5) The Gladiator's Arena fourms here are a great source of information. If you ever have a question about something in PvP, such as a build, tactic, or anything else, I recommend you post there about it(make sure to search first though). I'd also recommend you check out www.team-iq.net which is another excellent source of information on PvP.

i think we need to differentiate between: Being Immature and Being an asshole.

A lot of my guild is not mature (burping contests on vent, crude jokes, etc), but we dont tolerate assholes.

But both kinds are equally annoying.

Boyz will always be boys. You can expect stupid, immature stuff from anyone on this basis. Don't expect Mr and Mrs Mature and Polite to show uo on every corner.

Telling the kiddies in HA that you are husband and wife will just result sexist talk, stupid remarks, etc. Since the "free fame" gimmick builds HA is full of kids. More and more people with no skill/idea about the game invade HA to get the titles.

If you go in prime time to the int districts in HA you'll see that 95% of those there are w/r, r/w, r/me, n/mo (d/mo, d/me, r/p this weekend). Those people only care about fame, farming it. They don't care how boring a build is, not to mention how boring is to play the same build over and over again just to get fast fame.

I don't want to mention any names, but many of the so called "top HA guilds" are just a bunch of kids, with a few exceptions. So if you want mature people, try joining a guild or start your own one.

to you maybe.

My guildmates can be immature, because its fun. We like to joke around a lot. However we dont have fun at other people's expense. Thats when you cross into asshole territory ;P

In pvp, 50% of the players are adults. Of that 50%, 90% of them are assholes, and the other 10% is too high ranked to play with newbies (no offense). It is rare to find a good group of people to pvp with without having experience.

Completely agree. This is a game afterall. There's no reason to be an asshole, and there's equally no reason to be a prude and not have fun. When you find a happy medium, then everyone can enjoy themselves.

For MMOG's, only 25% of gamers are teenagers. 50% work full-time, 36% are married, and 22% have children. MMOG players spend an average of 22 hours a week in the gaming environment and it's not indicative of age. In other words, older players spend the same amount of time playing these games as younger players.

The average gamer is 32 years old.

I must say I've experienced the complete opposite to the OP. The vast majority of PvEers I've met are idiots while the opposite is true in PvP.

In TA I must admit I've met mostly nice ppl. Of course I'm selective about who I team with and I dont accept random invites. In RA on the other hand most ppl are absolutely ass*$~/ and it just shows that you need to be selective.

BTW, OP if u want to get into PvP just give me a PM, I'll be happy to show u the ropes.

Xorena I can only agree with you. I can only recommend you to try and find a guild to play pvp.
PvP is hard to start but once you're used to it and you met some nice ppl to play with you'll see that pvp is the best there is in gw. Good Luck and HF

Oh this makes me feel much better!

Im 28 and I think I am the oldest person in the guild

I’m 46 so I suppose that makes me mature, in years at least.

I’ve often had good conversations, (intellectual and well structured), with guild members only to find that they are aged 12 to 14. We’ve had the odd really immature one in the guild from time to time but generally they have not lasted too long.

And at 46 I am the oldest in our guild, (probably our alliance as well).

Now that is what i call a immature remark. Just because you have had some bad experiences with some of the 'younger' players, you immediatly want them to insert a monthly fee, and screw this game up.
Most 'kiddies' as you call them won't care, cuz their mom and dad will pay it for them.

Not all GW players have the capability to pay a montly fee, but you don't care.. as long as you are happy, huh?

And one other thing. You are asking for those 'Childish' comments, with your 'husb/wife looking for' add. This is not a contact add for swingers, but a game, mainly played by the 'younger generation'. Want to play with normal PvP players? Then stop thinking we care about your marital status, and act like a GW player, in stead of a housewife.

There, that is what i think about it.

Now don't get me wrong, i think it's cool for a husband and wife playing the game together, but PLEASE, don't bother us with the fact that you are just that.

Grtz, TriXor

Ooh Trixor is a bit testy! How about you stop ragging on me for trying to have fun? I already retracted my comment about having a monthly fee for GW (it was a comment made of rage, and I played WOW so I know fees won't stop the assholery). My previous comment also said I wasn't going to be using personal info to try to get a group. Learn to read?

Yes there is definitely a distinction. I guess it's up to each individual player's taste as to what they can tolerate. I can tolerate some of the jokes, etc (depending on the nature) but not the assholes (see above comment).

after reading this post i thought to myself daaammmm u guys really must care what these other immature's say to you why should it hurt you?
i have a saying that goes like this sticks an stones.... whatever they do to hurt you will come back on them twice as bad + if u are mature enuff u can take what they say on the chin an laugh at them cuz they only make themself's look the idoits i have to say i have come across all these peeps since i have played this game an the best thing to do is not care what they say at all or just qestion them like the police that gets them even more pissed
be true to yaself cuz what comes around goes around

lol try not to be immature then.
Simply if a person starts cussing at you... just stay calm and tell him to stop it; and let him/her be. Don't take it to heart lol.

Just leave those immature ones alone lol.

Bah.. that makes me over-average gamer...

I know it sound good when you recommend this "philosopy", but it
doesn't work that way in reality. You can't numb yourself to the mean,
hateful things people say and do, without also numbing yourself to
the good and kind things also. To be open to pleasure and joy requires
that you also leave yourself open to pain and sorrow. You can't have
the one without the other, and it's not worth giving up the one to avoid
the other.

my husband and i both play the game, and we run our own guild and find like-minded people that we can have a good time with doing pve or pvp. as of right now we are a very hard core pvp guild, but during the day we do other things(pve). i think my name has already been brought to your(Xorena) attention by another husband/wife team. those of us in the DWC would be more than happy to have you and your hubby with us, we dont' mind doing a bit of training or just hanging out in vent or whatever(which we do most of the time)so just pm me in game, i'm sure you already have my ign so i won't repost it.

I'd say you can be mature in attitude at a young age.

Imo, age only brings experience and knowledge, and not neccesarily maturity.

I'm 14 and I've been playing Guild Wars since the Beta Weekend Events, (Remember those? ) and I consider myself to be a mature player who's only after a good time. I've had my share of rude and immature people, and I don't like what I see, but you have to think about what age groups this game is aiming for. I'm sure ANet would like to see a variety of age groups, but the fact is, there are more young teenage boys (including myself) that play this game than anything else. I don't think there is anything we can do to stop the immaturity other than ignore it and report it because it's just in the nature of kids my age to do that kind of stuff. No, I'm not proud of it, but I think that it's the responsibility of the parents to monitor the kind of stuff that kids do. What do you guys think?

*cough* Because we all know deep down in the bowels of our cerebral cortex that all younger players are incapable of maturity. *cough*


Don't expect to find any disagreement (or immature people, for that matter) on a forum like this one. We've all taken the minimum effort to register and post on the forum. We've all taken pains to be maintain decorum as well, because the mods do a good job of panning the crud to find the gems here; asshats aren't likely to remain residents for long. Therefore anyone likely to respond to a thread like this is likely to be one of the silently mature players.

I say silently mature because the loud, fast-talking idiots give themselves much more of a presence in-game than do the sententious sophisticates. That's hardly a fair term, but it was so musical I had to use it anway. Thereby proving that at the very least I have a large vocabulary; something often associated with those of greater maturity. Though it is true that everyone has equal access to a dictionary. But how many of them actually use expressions like mordant aspersions? To be fair, I never have either, but that's only because I'm still waiting for the right moment.

If you already belong to a well-adjusted and well-populated guild +/- alliance, why should you ever need to turn on the local chat? All the chattering nincompoops, and the vanishingly small number of conversation-starved intelligentsia alike, can pass like a faint ripple in a pond on the other side of the planet. According to chaos theory, they and their actions still affect you, but you'd be hard pressed to say how.

Maturity is not an absolute, either. It isn't really an accurate measure of a person - only a general abstraction of how they might be given to respond in a specific situation. How else could I see it, as one whose bookcase contains both Captain Underpants and Nietzsche?

An immature person's deeds are a mature person's thoughts. And don't you forget it.

Or,
Age is a question of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.

Part of the problem is one of how your mind works. It's human nature to remember the things that stick out, such as someone being rude or immature, and forget the cases of someone NOT acting this way, as they don't grab our attention. The mind then overestimates the prevalence of the attention-grabbing event. This is why people fear planes more than cars (despite the fact that you are far more likely to die in a car). Similarly, it is easy to think that the game is overpopulated by immature people. It doesn't help that those immature people are the ones likely to type more in local chat, whisper rude things, etc. Meanwhile everyone else is carrying about their own business, often with local chat turned off. And I suspect that many mature people are in guilds, like mine, and don't interact much with the "community" at large, further making them less obvious.

I have joined many pugs to do missions, and yes there are immature people. But the vast majority of people are simply silent, just following along. So even if every pug contained 1-2 complete jerks, there'd still be more mature people in the group. Even in pvp, I have noticed that the majority of players are not acting immature. They just don't do anything that attracts attention to them.

46 ...damn kids..) Some of these folks being rude might be because of age but I think alot is just lack of...whats that word...oh common courtesy.I think alot need a class in it or wall to wall counseling..) It is too bad because not everyone in GW is a yutt.There are some real good people out there and if you find a good pug it a blast.Maybe as suggested you can find a good guild
Xorena that way you and your husband can have some fun....oh well

I am very mature considering I am 38+ remeber Niel Armstrong walking on the moon and Nixon and the whole Watergate scandal not to mention the Vietnam War.I remeber real muslce cars when cars and not computers were the thing.The thing is it is hard to get away from the youger ppl playing this game and don't think that pay to play would stop it if they have a bank there is always pay pal.There is one thing that NC Soft can do and that is but a age limit on who buys the game at the retailer like 16 or 17.

I play with my very only active guildie and he is about the same age as I am and has a family.When it comes to Pvp I would get in a good mature pvp guild.

that is just the point m8 this is not reality it is virtual so i can take whatever anybody says to me on here with a pinch of salt i am not numbing myself to pain an sorrow and to say it is a philosophy is out of qestion it just something i have learned to do pain an sorrow in a game give me a break i have more fun in this game since i brought it 2 mouths ago than anyother despite all the stupidness that goes on, tell me this do u get hurt when people call u names an abuse u? do u answer them back in the same manner an play with "competion" as i call it cuz that is all it is "ok u win" i have heard peeps say win what? what did i win a cuddly bear?

maybe u just gotta have gift of the gab an btw it really does work in reality to try it sometime it's not numbing it's balancing

if u wanna do pvp just join a pvp guild!
those people in HA are really... i dont know what to call them!
an unraked random team loose to rank 49 guild team, and they start insulting teammates! :S

I just got into a team in Elona Reach where someone went afk shortly after the mission started. Then conviently when everyone else died trying to get the 2nd crystal he came back and picked drops that were left behind. His excuse was he/she had to go eat dinner.

What a crock! I think it's just plain old common courtesy to NOT join a mission if you cant set aside the time to even play it. That I feel is a bit immature. That is of course assuming this jerk wasn't a freeloader trying to get a free mission completed.

if u act like a grown up and ignore the ppl who act like babies, most people are suprisingly mature. Everyday I meet ppl of all ages who love the game, love playing it and are always open to receive and give information about the game.

Just ignore all people who use words like "noob", "--- ------- ----" and "----". The true childish players are those who can't express their anger and incompetence without the use of multiple swearwords.

ofcourse there is always that one person that is afk, maybe two, maybe three. If u got a team that is willing to work together, every mission can be completed with 5 persons (except if 3 monks are afk ofcourse ).

Its a challenge to do it with less persons, not a burden.

^^^ great point, but my topic still gave funny solutions to put people in their place. it took me like 5 minutes to type too...

We're not talking about the game so much as the people
playing it, they're real. You're happy with yourself and
that's great.
It's good that you've reached a Zen-like state, I hope to do so
someday too, but it's probably not going to be any time soon.

hmm here is a sugestion. if you want to fight in halls fight in european servers thats what i do and i went from 0 fame to now 170 fame

and btw you have the favor of the gods for about 3/4s of the day so you can FoW and UW all you want

somehow 99.9% of imature people i meed in GW are all under 15. yes i ask.
they dont have to be RUDE to be immature.

sometimes all it takes is 1 comment about the build and he rage quits.....and note: not a mean comment, more of a question.

or someone who thinks that since you had a converstaion in a PUG during a mission you HAVE to spend 100% of your free time with him/her, and when you say "no im sry im busy" or "i have to go" they get pissed off and start asking "why? what you doin? who?"

or when "real life calls" and they get upset because you CANT (and maby dont want to) to PWR lvl them..

i call that immature too

Good luck getting a PUG for any mission on a european server...

Well, I guess I'm immature since I'm only 17 but when I see all these kids playing it really pisses me off... I played CS: Source and I saw kids as young as 7 play the game when it's rated M 17+. Where are the parents looking? Usually all comments like "stfu noob im better then u i have 15k armor" come from these kids. It really pisses me off to see stuff like that but hey, what can I do about it...

guildwars wouldn't be guildwars without little kids. someone has to ruin it or no one would play everquest.

agree

i wouldnt know the real joy of finding mature and normal people in the game if not for the abnormal onces

*everything is known in comparison

Your "actions" speak agains what you try to say there by the use of 'u' all the time