Why don't you PvP?

Here is my Grand Opinion. PvP and Pve both have the same number of jerks, Pve might even have a few more. Odds are they might be the same people. The difference between the two? Pvp is a lot more concentrated. Theres HoH and all those arenas which have a set number of districts. If you want to do Halls, theres only so many districts you can run to. Pve has 2WHOLE CONTINENTS, which allows you to go wherever you want to get away from jerks. If you can't escape them in cities, you can always go exploring.

I think this is partially where people are getting the whole "pvp is full of jerks, no pve is!" argument from.

I don't PvP at the moment, but that's not to say I wouldn't like to start.

I just haven't find the time or circumstances for it yet. Not many teams are willing to help out a new PvPer and teach them the ropes. Hooray for Guildies.

I respect your opinion, but I think you're reading a bit too much into it. We're playing an online game, whether GW or some other title, so there are limitations to be expected and my preferences you quoted as to why I dont PvP are with that in mind, but I'll reply a bit below to your points - not specifically to disagree with you, because I agree with you in essence - just not in an online context.

Levelling, gaining stats, collecting upgraded armor and weapons that are actually an improvement (not simply different skins), special items that may only be available at high level or through some unusual accomplishment, unlocking an advanced job class or new branch of character ability etc, yes, that IS what I am calling character development in this case, since we are talking about MMOs. Guild Wars frankly has only a little of this, but PvP obviously none, hence my disinterest there.

Your point here is, what exactly? There's none of this in PvP. There's beautiful landscape to be found in GW PvE, though granted many of my favorite spots I found while running, not playing lol. Still, going over and over the same ground with slight variations against one team and then another is the PvP fare.

There's a bit more in a decent guild, as well as unusual co-op patterns in random PUGs to make them victorious lol, but yes, a fine-tuned PvP group/guild is going to have a higher degree of co-op play than most co-op play in GW. True even to some degree when speaking of the larger realm of the MMO landscape.

However, I may have used the term a bit too loosely for the point I was trying to make there. Some of my greatest moments online have been with friends or strangers from Japan (in a game I'm happy to leave unnamed as we are on GWG) overcoming language barriers and levels sometimes a bit too low to nonetheless work our way through a tough level etc. All the time chatting and joking and having a grand time. PvP is very business oriented, confrontational, and most of the chat isnt as friendly as conversations I had even at M:tG tourneys. Its the anonymous nature of the internet playing into that I know, but I have had by and large a great deal more enjoyable group experiences in PvE. All I meant.

I got bored of the actual PvE gameplay etc months ago and became a runner for quite some time. Gameplay there was entertaining and allowed me to visit with quite a large group of random people I met in the process. Probably the most fun I have had in GW looking back on everything.

I agree with you 100%. The experience varies and friendly players can be found in PvP as easily as in PvE, as well as unfriendly and worse. The nicest people I met (in addition to my guild members - you all know who you are) actually were PvP players needing to get to certain locations when I was primarily a runner. Some of them have remained my closest friends in the game.

I thought you were disagreeing already lol (friendly joking, you sound cool to me so like I say, dont take my replies here as confrontational in any way). I agree on this point. GW end game let me down a bit since PvE-wise there isnt anything to it imho. That's why months ago I stopped really doing much of anything in PvE and simply ran. Sometimes challenging gameplay and goal to be efficient and very competent in certain areas was actually more fun for me than the game itself. Go figure. I had SOME fun with the GW gameplay PvE fighting for a while, but it did get dull for me.

I do expect PvP on this point, like running was for me, to offer some variation and higher interest when the other aspects of PvE wear off.

Yes. ^^ They are. Most of them anyway. PvP for me doesnt have a goal and is sort of roughly analagous to a FPS (to me). The PvE aspect of MMOs at least does have progress of some sort for me and can sometimes have a really loose story, but exactly as you say, its usually too loose and runs out, and becomes a chat room with your friends while you collect things and develop your character. Guess I'd rather do that than do PvP over and over. *shrugs* I have a lot of respect for PvP players, its just try as i might I cant really get myself into PvP internet play, much as I have done my fair share IRL in other gaming and sports.

Because I'm at work.

By the way, I'm more or less a giant PvE carebear, but I get a kick out of PvP from time to time. For what it's worth, let me clarify this for the PvP fans who like to pigeonhole:

People who do not enjoy PvP and prefer PvE are not scrubs.
People who do enjoy PvP and complain about losing to FotM's or rank elitism are scrubs.

A scrub, by definition, is someone who likes to PvP. Lots of people who respond to this post simply do not enjoy/care for/appreciate PvP, therefore they're not scrubs.

They're carebears. :-)


(at least, that's how I read it)

I use to PvP but not much anymore although I do keep a PvP char ready .My Guild is not active and big enough to PvP and my 1st officer is not really into PvP and I respect that.There maybe a day when I will go back to it when my Guild is bigger and more active or if I and my 1st officer go over to a different guild that would be hard though.

Lots of reasons...

General poor sportsmanship on the part of the people there. People calling others noob and other types of rude behavior far more often than I've seen it in PvE.

Rank elitism, and even more inane cookie cutter builds to farm for that rank.

It gets way too repetitive. Team A moves 1/3 out of their base. Team B moves 1/3 out of their base. Both wait for a few minutes for the other to move first. While the maps may have different themes, they all follow very similar layouts and get old rather quickly.

LOL

You think pvp is full of e-rage and player bashing. HA!

What I've read durring this thread FAR out weighs the the insults I've seen in ANY pvp match.

If you people who think pvp is made up entirely of player bashing 8-year olds are the best pve has to offer then I'll stick with my player bashing 8-year olds and play pvp and leave you to you insults.

As to that whole HA thing, If my level 19 mm showed up to tombs without Flesh Golem do you think I could find a group to take me... not a chance. same goes for pvp.

You people make me sick.(I apologize most profusely to any this may offend for I normally don't take such things so seriously)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carebear
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrub_%28gaming%29

People who PvE exclusively and look down on the PvP part of the community are carebears. Many of them also happen to be scrubs.
People who don't run FotMs, lose in PvP, then whine about it, are scrubs.
People who may or may not run FotMs, but win, are not scrubs.

(at least, that's how I read it)

Because I can't find 7 other people with enough brain cells.

Simple as that. PvP is obviously highly competitive and requires good co-ordination and determination to succeed but most people lack that. I guess a lot of people with high rank/ladder position are lucky to an extent because they have found a group of people with the willingness and 'want' to do it.

I'm off the UW to be a carebear.

glad to hear i wont have to pve with the likes of you, please do stick to your elitist pvp with your own special brand of bad attitude and leave the real GAME to those of is who dont want a whining temper tantrum on legs spoiling our mission.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that PvE is free of whiny children. Are we playing different games?

I do believe I can sum up my response to this post in 5 letters..

L-M-F-A-O.

Because clearly no one in PvE is elitist.Easpecially the fact that groups completely steer away from other classes say Assassins for the simple fact that they don't fit in your "UBER L337 COOKIECUTTER BUILD".

Actually people avoid assassins in pve because most of them are terrible.

My two main reasons are...

• It's not real PvP. You get an instant cookie cutter character that you can remake in five minutes. Real PvP is joined with PvE where you earn everything.
• It takes no skill and has no real challenge. Games like Counter-Strike take real skill.

PvP in guild wars is about team cohesion. Choosing 64 skills for your 8-men team and having them work in total cohesion. This is real PvP and it requires skill to do that. There are no places for loners in GW and that's why people like you and others are frustrated. People who obstinately refuse the concept of teamwork will never succeed at PvP in GW.

Thank you for pointing out that my post was completely uncalled for, and again I apologize.
As stated earlier I play both pvp and pve to an equal extent and that will not change.
I was prompted to post that outragious and hateful remark upon seeing such a vast majority (pve) bashing the minority(pvp) in class they themselves admit to only trying once, twice or never.
I would however post that same remark again if the pvp decided to morally attack pve (such is the problem of sitting on the fence).
More over I believe this thread is titled "why don't you pvp" not "bash pvp here".
Thank you most kindly for reading this retraction or rather clarification.
Feal free to flame me all you want, just don't simply attack pvp because you don't like it or understand it.
Once more I aologize to any who may find that post offencive.

I don't PvP because it's not rewarding enough. I don't get gold, no rare weapons etc, my characters won't get better. The only thing I can do is unlock stuff so that I can PvP even more...

Also, it's not challenging enough in my opinion - you make a character that is level 20 already, and with some luck (most builds are the same anyway) and a bit of teamwork you win (what do you win? Some faction, yay!).

PvE requires you to become stronger, find the weapon, craft the armor, get further in the game etcetera.

Wow.Are you saying it takes more skill to kill an AI that doesnt react AT ALL to what you actually do,than the Intelligence of another human?

While were in opposite land,I'll have to say, You're not a retard!

I dont like rage quiters

I dont like people who speak in caps lock

I dont like people who rush and say things like gogogogogogogo

I dont like the builds they run as I find them boring i.e. iway and vimway.

I dont like pvp noobs who trash talk i.e. OMG!!!!!!!! Runner noob. Me: Er ever heard of kiting??? OMG its noob as i cant kill you!!!

Pvpers can be way too competitive and even rage at their own guildies.

I can avoid most of this by playing pve with henchmen, guildies and friends. Pvp in guild wars just isnt for me.

yea, there are no "iway scrubs". people who are/were using that phrase are/were scrubs.