I don't mean that the mission is designed bad. Its just too hard to do with a pick-up group. I tried doing the elites. I read up on it on this forum and at GW wiki. So my warrior is now a tank with skills I almost never use, like deadly reaposte, etc. My monk healed me and the elementalist nuked and I worked to make sure that I had agro and I didn't over-agro. So we were cool. But everyone else (in the other rooms) keeps dying at the beginning, then bailing. WTF? Its almost as bad as trying to organize for an instance in Wow. At least in Wow, when you sign-off you are at the same place next time you sign on. So there is sort of a penalty (however minor) for leaving the group. It seems that a 12 person group, there is no penalty.
I sort of feel thatthe elite missions are not worth it. Not with a PuG anyway. Too frustrating.
Elite mission sucks
ogami_ito
Zakarr
They are not meant for public access. Maybe Anet wanted to show why they are limited. It is just waste of time with random people.
Enchanted Warrior
Re: "The deep"
I'm a level 20 warrior, with over 1 mill in exp. 100 infused armor, with 14 strength and 16 swordsmanship. 506 health with weapons equipped. Ssaki's sword, customized, and bronze sheild with +30 ehalth and -5 reduced damage. Superior aborb in chest and leggings. I died in one hit.
Waste of time, avoid it if you want my opinion.
I'm a level 20 warrior, with over 1 mill in exp. 100 infused armor, with 14 strength and 16 swordsmanship. 506 health with weapons equipped. Ssaki's sword, customized, and bronze sheild with +30 ehalth and -5 reduced damage. Superior aborb in chest and leggings. I died in one hit.
Waste of time, avoid it if you want my opinion.
Rok
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Re: "The deep"
I'm a level 20 warrior, with over 1 mill in exp. 100 infused armor, with 14 strength and 16 swordsmanship. 506 health with weapons equipped. Ssaki's sword, customized, and bronze sheild with +30 ehalth and -5 reduced damage. Superior aborb in chest and leggings. I died in one hit. Waste of time, avoid it if you want my opinion. |
Deep needs KD Tanks, not sword swinging n00bs - good thing you were infused though, that helps A Lot
Stockholm
TEAM WORK. thats the key in the elit missions.
Tachyon
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Superior aborb in chest and leggings.
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Xx Invictus xX
and in urgoz theres these little suicide things where one hit kills you ... maybe thats where u were
Count Feanor
How does infusion help? I thought that was just for the Mursaat in Prophesies.
kimo the healer
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Re: "The deep"
I'm a level 20 warrior, with over 1 mill in exp. 100 infused armor, with 14 strength and 16 swordsmanship. 506 health with weapons equipped. Ssaki's sword, customized, and bronze sheild with +30 ehalth and -5 reduced damage. Superior aborb in chest and leggings. I died in one hit. Waste of time, avoid it if you want my opinion. |
Divinus Stella
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Re: "The deep"
I'm a level 20 warrior, with over 1 mill in exp. 100 infused armor, with 14 strength and 16 swordsmanship. 506 health with weapons equipped. Ssaki's sword, customized, and bronze sheild with +30 ehalth and -5 reduced damage. Superior aborb in chest and leggings. I died in one hit. Waste of time, avoid it if you want my opinion. |
I dont think the mission is at fault.
swiftygem
I wouldn't mind them being extra hard. But I do mind them being so long. I tried Urgoz as a monk and after 2 hours my eyes were hurting from all the staring at the 12 slot party window, and still we weren't even halfway through.
But yeah, this looks like a good opportunity to make everyone happy, sort of. Those who always wanted to know how the hell do those mysterious elite missions look like will now know, and they'll stick to the good old non-elite PvE. That's my plan anyway
But yeah, this looks like a good opportunity to make everyone happy, sort of. Those who always wanted to know how the hell do those mysterious elite missions look like will now know, and they'll stick to the good old non-elite PvE. That's my plan anyway
azuresun
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Re: "The deep"
I'm a level 20 warrior, with over 1 mill in exp. 100 infused armor, with 14 strength and 16 swordsmanship. 506 health with weapons equipped. Ssaki's sword, customized, and bronze sheild with +30 ehalth and -5 reduced damage. Superior aborb in chest and leggings. I died in one hit. Waste of time, avoid it if you want my opinion. |
lyra_song
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I don't mean that the mission is designed bad. Its just too hard to do with a pick-up group. I tried doing the elites. I read up on it on this forum and at GW wiki. So my warrior is now a tank with skills I almost never use, like deadly reaposte, etc. My monk healed me and the elementalist nuked and I worked to make sure that I had agro and I didn't over-agro. So we were cool. But everyone else (in the other rooms) keeps dying at the beginning, then bailing. WTF? Its almost as bad as trying to organize for an instance in Wow. At least in Wow, when you sign-off you are at the same place next time you sign on. So there is sort of a penalty (however minor) for leaving the group. It seems that a 12 person group, there is no penalty.
I sort of feel thatthe elite missions are not worth it. Not with a PuG anyway. Too frustrating. |
If you want to enjoy the elite missions do the following: Go only with your friends.
Seriously...it doesnt seem like the problem is with the mission, but rather with the people you've been dealing with.
Zinger314
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I believe this was intended as "humor".
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Anyways, there are crappy PuGs. In one PuG I was just in, One of the Monks was 55 (and still had a Healing skillbar. I don't know how that works) and the Ele didn't have Meteor Shower or even any AoE (he just spammed Immolate and Flare)
I err7ed. But somehow I don't feel guilty.
Bad PuGs exist, but Enchanted Warrior is a good example why they don't work.
bakabum
Dear god i hope that was a joke... I've only failed the deep once... on my first try, and that was because they were just teaching me the spawn locations and such... Since then, i've been able to 8man it over and over... W/A Recall ftw.
Sir Skullcrasher
go with guildie group or friends? I'm doing elite mission all day tomorrow!
lagrand1
Unfortunately, I don't think it was meant as humor. These missions are totally different from most pve experiences. You need to set up specifically to counter what you will find here.
Not wanting to flame Enchanted Warrior, but other than absorb and vigor, a tank should NEVER have a superior rune, much less a superior rune and a major rune. Without tactics, you lose. Period.
Not wanting to flame Enchanted Warrior, but other than absorb and vigor, a tank should NEVER have a superior rune, much less a superior rune and a major rune. Without tactics, you lose. Period.
Azrael1309
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good thing you were infused though, that helps A Lot
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How does infusion help?
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with over 1 mill in exp.
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Superior aborb in chest and leggings.
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sLiceR
I pugged happily in the Deep/Urgoz until this event, always made to the boss and killed it without problems (except one time when I err'd 7 at the last room).
Today, I wanted to experiment the double drop thing so I went to the Deep: a lot of players didn't have a clue of what to do, and some of their builds sucked horribly.
The team fall apart at the Aspect of Scorpion Room. I suggest you do not try to play elite mission with pug in this weeked, because you will most likely be loosing your time.
Today, I wanted to experiment the double drop thing so I went to the Deep: a lot of players didn't have a clue of what to do, and some of their builds sucked horribly.
The team fall apart at the Aspect of Scorpion Room. I suggest you do not try to play elite mission with pug in this weeked, because you will most likely be loosing your time.
Jetdoc
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I believe this was intended as "humor".
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Otherwise, I hold out little hope for the typical PuG whammo when I get on tonight.
Zehnchu
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They are not meant for public access. Maybe Anet wanted to show why they are limited. It is just waste of time with random people.
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Skawtt
The other day me my brother and our friend went down to Ugoz's Warren. Just the three of us We went down on our rangers trapping had a freakin blast. Spent at least 3 hours in the first area trapping/pulling and fleeing like schoolgirls.
Yes the elite missions are hard there meant to be. Try doing them with an organized guild/allience group instead of a PuG.
Just the 3 of us went down there and with careful skill selection had quite a bit of fun and no headache from a PuG.
Yes the elite missions are hard there meant to be. Try doing them with an organized guild/allience group instead of a PuG.
Just the 3 of us went down there and with careful skill selection had quite a bit of fun and no headache from a PuG.
Don Zardeone
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Re: "The deep"
I'm a level 20 warrior, with over 1 mill in exp. 100 infused armor, with 14 strength and 16 swordsmanship. 506 health with weapons equipped. Ssaki's sword, customized, and bronze sheild with +30 ehalth and -5 reduced damage. Superior aborb in chest and leggings. I died in one hit. Waste of time, avoid it if you want my opinion. |
2. 1 mil exp isn't that much =/
3. Don't need to be infused, sentinel isn't always good armour
4. 14 str is ok..., got dolyak? Funny: dolyak+drunken blow
5. 506hp is ok, monks are fine with that
6. SSkai's sword isn't that very damaging unless you use it to power skills but it's still iffy imo, try an elemental sword or a vamp one
7. That's +30 hp always and -1 average per hit you take. A malinons will give +45hp and -2 average per hit. crimson carapace too, or their equivalent collector/crafter shields in cantha
8. Only need 1 super absorb
go warrior subforum X.x
upgrade your stuff, it would take at least 2 or 3 hits then I think
Loviatar
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You do realise that they don't stack, don't you? You only need one Superior Absorption, the other one on your legs is a waste of time!
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someone posted a serious post a short while ago bragging about having 5 super absorbs on his armor.
he didnt believe it when told they dont stack but did say if they dont he will be very upset at wasting the money.
he also asked what kit he should use to get them back for resale.
seriously
that explains why we have the sup absorb rune shortage.
people read the armor global nerf go out for new armor and instead of getting 1 sup absorb for the new set get from 3 to 5 of them.
eternal pho
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You do realise that they don't stack, don't you? You only need one Superior Absorption, the other one on your legs is a waste of time!
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After the update, sup absorption only activates when the corresponding piece of armor is struck, so 2 runes isn't really a total waste.
Count Feanor
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After the update, sup absorption only activates when the corresponding piece of armor is struck, so 2 runes isn't really a total waste.
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XvArchonvX
In my personal experience, I have not really had much trouble with PuGs beyond what I would encounter with any other mission. However I am very picky with what PuG I join/start. If I start one I make sure to ask everyone what their general build is along with other simple related questions to make sure they know what they are doing. If I join one, I watch for communication between members before the group starts and also watch how selective the leader is. If the leader doesn't seem to know what he is doing, I leave before the group departs.
Clone
Personally, I think the only reason people aren't good at these areas is that people rarely get the opportunity to do them. If you want to keep characters anchored there, you loose out on the ability to take that character to other places in the game at will, or at the very least leave without the frustration of trying to find people to ferry you when you want to go back. I didn't pay for certian areas of the game, it came as an entire package. This has probably been one of my biggest complaints about Guild Wars next to lack of an auction system. Be it Underworld, Fissure, or the Elites, I'm at the mercy of someone I've never met to allow me access to content that I've purchased.
Enchanted Warrior
Isn't it great how helpful people are, they insult, and berate. My how proud your parents must be.
EagleEye812
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After the update, sup absorption only activates when the corresponding piece of armor is struck, so 2 runes isn't really a total waste.
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That's right. Nowhere. The update only modified the natural damage damage reductop, bonus on these 2 kinds of armor. Absorption runes have NOTHING to do with it.
Enchanted Warrior
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After the update, sup absorption only activates when the corresponding piece of armor is struck, so 2 runes isn't really a total waste.
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Inari
Never seen more than 2 warriors (and that was one time only) in urgoz before this event...
lyra_song
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Isn't it great how helpful people are, they insult, and berate. My how proud your parents must be.
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"Im lvl 20...blah blah blah blah. I got killed in one hit. So the place isnt worth it."
Thats why people are flaming you.
lemming
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Isn't it great how helpful people are, they insult, and berate. My how proud your parents must be.
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Thank you, if they couldn't stack it would say "non stacking' but it's easier for some to insult first, then think.
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Fine whatever, I reported what happened, but usual if you say anything against the precious game you're stupid, inept etc.. I really thought this site was different, but oh well. Goodbye people, Inde I hope you get your server issues addressed, and the board proves profitable, if not why bother. But such is life online.
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Enchanted Warrior
Fine whatever, I reported what happened, but usual if you say anything against the precious game you're stupid, inept etc.. I really thought this site was different, but oh well. Goodbye people, Inde I hope you get your server issues addressed, and the board proves profitable, if not why bother. But such is life online.
Silent Kitty
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TEAM WORK. thats the key in the elit missions.
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Lol, if that was all
We spent almost 1 hour grouping, arranging skills to a full barrage team, and didn't even last a minute. Most rage quit, so we had to spend at least an other half hour to form a new team, and again we didn't last a minute.
All that time, nothing dropped either.
Waste of time, imho.
Stockholm
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Urgozz.
Lol, if that was all We spent almost 1 hour grouping, arranging skills to a full barrage team, and didn't even last a minute. Most rage quit, so we had to spend at least an other half hour to form a new team, and again we didn't last a minute. All that time, nothing dropped either. Waste of time, imho. |
Barrage is a hard way of doing it the first time, you need to know what pops up and when. Thats why I recommend ppl to try it with a Trap team first, yes it is slower but safe. B/P runs are messy in the first room before you get a rythem going. Not a waist of time if you play for enjoyment, if you play for profit per played time, yes, then it is waist of time as is GW alltogheter, unless you are a E-Bayer making money.
Tachyon
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Thank you, if they couldn't stack it would say "non stacking' but it's easier for some to insult first, then think.
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Note: It is a common misconception that effects of multiple pieces of Absorption runes placed on different pieces of armor will all stack together. This confusion is caused by the lack of "(non-stacking)" remark on the runes. It should be noted that the runes are equivalently not labeled as "(stacking)". It has been tested and reconfirmed numerous times that the effects, in fact, do not stack.
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My Sweet Revenga
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After the update, sup absorption only activates when the corresponding piece of armor is struck, so 2 runes isn't really a total waste.
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and btw I'm just bitter because I'd just bought a new set of tank armour for my whammee and this was just when the vendor ran out of sup abs runes...... and some nimrod was trying to sell one in trade for 100k -_-
Silent Kitty
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Barrage is a hard way of doing it the first time, you need to know what pops up and when. Thats why I recommend ppl to try it with a Trap team first, yes it is slower but safe. B/P runs are messy in the first room before you get a rythem going. Not a waist of time if you play for enjoyment, if you play for profit per played time, yes, then it is waist of time as is GW alltogheter, unless you are a E-Bayer making money.
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It is no fun when you spend such a long time forming a group, which is half Guildies, and don't even last a minute. Pugs always rage quit in elite missions. It was not only for the profit. I had more profit running errants in Kaineng.