the reason theres more failure rate in the elite missions weekend.

i always use healing signet and frenzy with 16 axe mastery whenever i go farm pve. can i go to the deep and urgoz and survive?

most likely not
the warriors ive seen use dolyak signet and stuff to stay alive

Ok, before anyone even does an elite mission, they should search up some guides or threads on them and learn what and what not to do(skills that should and should not be brought).

Sarcasm is lost on the internet.

You only need 3 skills to tank

Defensive Stance, Watch Yourself and Heal Signet. In fact you only need ten in tactics. Deaths In The Deep last run: 2

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

We Have a WINNER!


For the first time ever, people are now able to go into the elite areas WITHOUT hoping for a ferry or not farming faction to get there.

THAT is why there is such a high failure rate.

However, if you do it with your guild then PuGs are a non issue.

Only if you bring a pet and IWAY.

opening this info to the public ruined international discts in HA.

lets not do it for elite missions.

Normally there is 1 district with about 10 people in american districts, and about 4 in international.
The problem is that a whole bunch of new people see the "Double gold Drops" thing they jump at the opportunity..screwing everybody else over.
so if you want an intelligent group your best bet is international districts

I love what the Deep has degenerated into. :]

So PvE is what ... challanging? Difficult? Not a chance. If you find PvP easy then you're playing in the wrong area.

I think I would much rather bring an Ele that can deal 100+ damage per second to large groups of enemies than a mesmer who can ... deep wound everyone? Use a lot of degen? Knockdown? Don't need deep wound because 1 rodgorts already deals more damage. Don't need degen because a fireball does faster damage at critical points. Don't need knockdowns because we have 3 warriors and several meteor showers causing them. I would much rather have an ele.

Same goes with an assassin. I'm sure you looooooove attacking 1 person at a time. Well I looooooove watching flaming rocks land on enemies heads dealing more damage at once because its spread around.

I'm not ignorant, I'm practical. I don't want the run to take 30 more minutes because someone thinks their sin or mesmer is leet shit. It may very well be leet shit but it sucks in PvE. Get over it already.

Miscommunication and disorganization are the main reasons I struggle with PUGs in Urgoz's and the Deep.

Also, PvP and PvE are two totally different games, trying to compare them to one another is pointless.

Just out of curiosity... which spell might that be? You know that elemental damage isn't armor ignoring, right?

I can understand the failier rate being higher because there are more noobs going in..

But putting it down to the mesmer and assasin classes is just plain wrong... I have both, and have been and done the elite missions many times with them. Remember Assasins and mesmer CAN have a secondary class, and they BOTH inherintly have AoE skills..

Again, its not the class's, its the newbs.. plain and simple.

I like how you picked Phantom Pain, Conjure Phantasm and Psychic Instability as your representation of the entire mesmer class.

Hey, you know those blood drinkers that spam hexes? You know Shatter hex glyphed/echoed does more damage than an ele can?

shush, don't burst his bubble ;P

Every class can be used in those missions, just cause you haven't found a use for it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You're joking, right?

You're trying to set up unreliable situational instances to prove that mesmers are actually useful?

Sometimes I think if I took evidence I crammed it down your throats you guys would pretend that it was your mother handfeeding you instead of an irritated forum poster intent on throttling you.


EDIT: Nevermind that THE ONLY GOOD a mesmer (a stupid mesmer) with echo'd shatter hex would be useful in was with Blood Drinkers only, and WORTHLESS AT EVERY OTHER INSTANCE.

Because mesmers only have two skills on their bar.

It's obvious you haven't played a mesmer there, or at least not played one effectively. In any case, taking the assumption that a mesmer only does bring two skills on their bar, you'd still be effective against Dredge, Drinkers, Thorn Wolves, and Wardens. Never mind those other 6 skills.

I would agree with Avarre...And I've decided to begin a mesmer.IMO mesmers dont deserve the hate they get, and are often quite useful.

or a +5 energy weapon, healing focus, Mending, and Healing Breeze. oh, and throw some Banish action in there for good measure. skills that ignore armor = leet.