mesmer....hated....why?

Do you even play a mesmer? Shock is a skill, not a spell.

Shock is a skill not a spell.

Edit- Yeah I was a bit late.

You're kidding me. And I was planning on trying this out in the ABs.

Time for a quick edit...

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I edited my post to remove the Shock/Backfire connection, which was conceptual (after seeing them buggers in AB) but not yet researched or put in practice. My apologies.

Wanna piss off a warrior? Shut down/ED the monk until the warrior gets so pissed off from listening to the monk scream and whine on vent that he calls an adren spike on you. Then, DISTORTION.

Well, I've been a mesmer from the start. Very first character a year ago was my mesmer, name: Harry Paranipples. To really get good with the mesmer, you have to play with them a while, and if you're going to be using interrupts, you should even train your reflexes. Interrupting Protective Spirit is easier said than done. Now, I think the reason they are disliked is that they are not only a class that isn't found in most other games, and that their armor and dance SUCK. The only cool Mesmer armor is UW, and that's just too damn expensive. If you choose a mesmer, you'll hate PvE, but love PvP, which is where most of the game is. For PvE, I suggest choosing a strong secondary, so you can use some of their skills to survive and deal damage, I prefer nuker. That way, if you're going to fight a monk boss, you can have interrupts, but also be able to deal damage.

more like, impossible?

IMO mesmers are hated in PvE because:

-Most people don't understand how they work or how to play them effectively
-On the surface, their role "appears" to be covered by ele's/necro's, making them seem redundant
-Their skills aren't flashy (ele's) or "cool" (necro's)
-They don't appear to be doing anything most of the time (goes along with previous point)

However, from experience a good mesmer is a valuable asset to any team.

Still, with the advent of Factions, I think mesmers are generally more accepted now (in PvE) as assasins seem to have taken their place as the most hated.

Why are people talking about how tough they are? Obviously you can ignore a hex here or there, and just not cast when backfire is on you.

What?...
Huh?...
Not casting is the same as letting the mesmer win?
Oh, never mind.

People do not hate mesmers. Leveling up, my mesmer never had a problem finding a party, never. Effective? Yes, very. One mesmer can turn the tide of a battle. Takes more intelligence to play a mesmer than a warrior, and that's why many players, especially impulsive young people, think the mesmer is ineffective or weak.

Yes, I can do combos on enemy, blind, degen, slow etc.. I know all that But for me mesmer will always be support class as mesmer is used in organised teams to kill that team's weaknesses.

I think it's another thing to edit: Heal Sig + Power Drain? You wont get energy Power Drain doesnt work on any signets...

Possible, possible.. try Migraine + Arcane Conundrum combo

Oh bloody hell. I've been shuffling the skillbar enough this weekend that things are getting all jumbled in my head.


Big point with the mesmer... they do most of their damage based on the actions of the target. Granted you can degen the life out of someone in a hurry, but a huge number of skills turns the enemies attack or casting into damage to them rather than damage to you or your party. This is the trade-off that doesn't get seen in combat... not only can you interrupt that meteor storm (for example) which prevents (n) amount of damage to your party, but you cause damage to the caster at the same time. If you add the damage prevented to the damage caused, you'll see mesmers rival anyone in net damage effects.

I don't know about that wilebill having all characters except a nec which I have no interest in playing (nothing wrong with them I just don't have any interest) I put much thought into my warrior. When I am playing my warrior I have to pay attention to many things. First are my castors safe, if not can I get to them without bringing a whole bunch more badies to them. If I can not how to kill the group I am fighting as fast as I can, stay alive and get to my castors. Second how can I take the pressure off the monk from having to heal me and still kill quick, what skills and such can I bring so the monk does not have to worry about me so much. Third in any specific mission or quest who happens to be the weakest but most needed in the group and absolutely make sure they never are covered in badies. Fourth I have to judge a group to be fought and know when I can tell my group to stay back I can handle it or not. I know some warriors are all run in and fight but some of us use our heads also

Playing my Mesmer is much different but I would not say any harder, more the path to paying a mesmer is not as straight and simple but playing a good warrior is not compicated but your job is more then taking down the mob

Happy Hunting

QFT.

In PvE, the casters you're facing don't stop casting when you put backfire on them, and melee baddies don't stop swinging with Empathy on them. I backfire the healers, use interrupts and a bit of e-denial for the ele's & other casters, and drop Empathy on the tank or ranger. Good times, good times indeed!

In PvP, I've used (on occasion in AB's) empathy + SS (should be a Mes skill) on tanks & they'll respectfully step aside while I run past them on my way to where I'm going. And if they don't, they die quite fast

i have 6 chars but i only play 2. my mesmer for fun and my 55 for farming.

Mesmers arent overly powerful. Mesmers arent overly weak. Mesmers are just fun.

My favourite skill in the game? ineptitude! [see my avatar]. use it and its lesser version [clumsiness] on a warr or ranger. when u have 16 illusion magic thats appros 240dmg+10secs of blindness.

Monks ? boring
Warrs ? common
Rangers ? No fun at all
Ele? 1 2 3 dead
necro ? bit common
mes ? awesome


I think more people should make pve mesmers. ive tried all the other profs and mesmer was the last char i made coz i had played evrything else.

Haven't really read most of the thread, but i assume the general idea is that Mesmers aren't overly popular in PvE , which i suppose is true enough. Anyone claiming that there is a lack of Mesmers in PvP is talking complete BS though.

Not impossible, just very unlikely. They're almost always interrupted by accident. And intentional interrupted by daze.

I totally disagree. My mesmer kills much faster than my Nuke did early in prophecies.

And our little group is Necro/Me, me/ne, me/mo, mo/n and one w/n. We seldom have any problems in PVE -note no nuke. This is in Prophecies even. Now, l8r we will see. I think we will need a nuke ultimately, but overall, not a bad group and easily get all missions in PVE.

Mesmers can win many battles if 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 1 depends what's against you.

Simply because Mesmers aren't apart of the cookie-cutter law for PvE.

It's idiotic, really.

mesmer hate?

no

I never had a problem too find group and to finish the game (both part).
Groups which refuse you because you are a mesmer mean that they have 50% of chance to crash during the mission, so it's better not to join

mesmer can own the world (but sadly, the Lich failed, but he was so clooooooose )

This thread only makes me anticipate the end of the workday so I can go home and play my Mesmer

One problem with mesmers is that most of them are unattractive, please, someone give me 1 picture of a good looking male or female mesmer with out that common hair.

Lich was a necro, man...

... who had aspirations of changing his primary to mesmer so he'd have the love and respect of his fellow undead.

Not many people know that.

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a characters looks doesnt make them bad.
Off topic, people tank in pvp? Humans have agro?

... does this have anything to do with the effectiveness of the mesmer? uh, no.

OK, let me clarify: If I do that to a melee class character, W/* for example,
the smart ones won't attack & leave me alone so I can go about my business. If they DO attack - sux to be them. (because I've got a couple of other surprised for them as well. )

In AB's I do think that Humans do indeed have aggro. It's called "OH! there's someone out there running off by themselves - KILLLLLLL!!!!

I happen to think MY mesmer is quite CUTE!

(my icon)

I LOVE playing my mesmer....like people have posted, its NOT an easy class to play straight out of the box, you need to learn it (and yes, a good computer can really help the interupts you do).....and most of what you do you dont get credit for.....but its fun to play (even if you have to pug the whole chapter)...my mes is a ranger too so people DO see what I do sometimes.....

I finished the Titan Source quest with 2 Mesmers, one Monk and me (W/R). That should tell you something about them.

To play a Mesmer optimally, you need to change your build for just about every mission. Every mission has different monsters with different weaknesses, and Mesmers can destroy the enemies if you have the right skills.

People who say that Mesmers are not useful in PvE because they do not do massive damage don't know what they are talking about. Sure, Eles, Necros, and Barrage rangers do much more damage than a Mesmer. However, why do groups want monks then? Monks do almost no damage unless they are running smite (and no PuG wants smite monks). The fact is, damage isn't everything. It's funny that PuGs want two or more monks. <sarcasm> What happened to massive damage? You got two or three guys sitting around doing no damage! </sarcasm>

A tank uses high armor and defensive skills to absorb physical damage. A mesmer uses interrupts and shutdown to absorb/negate enemy sleeps and enemy heals. When a mesmer interrupts that Meteor shower, she has effectively healed the party for several hundred hit points. The trade off between an interrupt and damage prevented and damage dealt to the enemy is simply amazing. Also, Mesmers are not crappy damage dealers. People claim that warriors have the highest damage per second (DPS). This is true in a long sustained battle between competent players (i.e. PvP), but it is a bunch of garbage in PvE. A warrior does a fraction of what a Barrage ranger, Ele nuker, or a Minion Master can do, because computer controlled mobs are stupid. A Mesmer easily outdamages a standard PvE warrior. Simply cast two empathies and you are doing about 60 DPS, much more than what a standard warrior can do. Mesmer damage also increases relative to the other classes because most of the Mesmer spells does not depend on the enemies armor or the enemies level, whereas almost all of the other classes have spells that do depend on enemy armor and level. As monsters get stronger, other characters do less damage. Mesmers always do the same. While a Mesmer should not be a primary damage dealer (Elementalists and Necros are better at it), they certainly do a significant amount of damage. (In certain situations, the Mesmer can become a primary damage dealer. For example, the Shiverpeaks have so many necro and water hexes, shatter hex becomes the strongest AoE spell in that particular part of the game).

Note that Mesmers are the most difficult class to play well because there is no one build you can use for every mission in PvE (tankers, nukers, healers, MM, can use virtually the same build with minor tweaks depending on the area). Mesmers need to switch from anti-melee, anti-caster, hex remover, interrupter, etc depending on the mission and what the party needs. Therefore, some experienced players are hesistant to take a Mesmer because they do not know if the Mesmer knows what she is doing, whereas an intermediate nuker who copied a build for the forum can do an acceptable job. However, the main cause of the Mesmer hate is simply because most PuGs don't know what Mesmer do.

lol exactly, to kill a monk isnt always what a mes is doing, to shut him down for the duration of backfire can cause all sorts of trouble and then to follow with an interrupt or 2 can leave a team screaming for heals. if the monk panics and casts through backfire then its a hell of a bonus.

Mesmers aren't hated as far as I can tell. I believe most players that has played for a while has tried the mesmer profession and realize what powerful things they are capable of. It's one of the professions that weeds out the bad players. If you're playing a mes and you don't know what you're doing, you're not gonna play it for long. I just wish the bad assassins would go the same route

Monks don't do any damage because ppl want a healing or protection Monk and playing Monk is a challenge unlike playing a Mesmer or any other castor class.Esther Feast is not good enough to keep you alive epecially in poison.

Mesmers do have their place in the game it is trying to balance out a party.I really hate diversion and chaos storm as diversion I can't use one of my healing or protect skill for 25sec.

Monk: Watch little red bars... see one go down... click it... press '1'

Mesmer: Shuffle through enemies seeing who's doing what... interrupt this one, damage that one, Ineptitude on the warrior...

Not to degrade monking, I've done my share. But once you're good at it and have a good set up the job simplifies greatly. Mesmers, on the other hand, require a much more dynamic playstyle, with cycling through the enemies, targetting threats currently unattended to, and making them hurt themselves very badly. I would offer that of the casters, a mesmer is probably the most difficult to play, with necros a close second.

That all depends though.When some one dies you don't get blamed for it or someone is crying out for a res.Playing a Necro is not that hard but there are far to many MMs.I watch more than just red bars I watch the whole screen if I have to kite here and there and radar.I don't just look at health bars.

Aside from Pre-Ascalon, I have not seen much mesmer hate.

Did I miss something?

True on the necro, thought after the fact that I should have mentioned build specific.

However, being 'blamed' for a death hardly means that a monk is more difficult of a class to play, just that they have to take more crap for other peoples mistakes. On the flipside, I see monks get a lot of credit for a good job too.

Credit that never gets shared with the mesmer that cut down dramatically the enemies damage output and overall health.

But such is the life of a mesmer.

Eviscerate = big time mesmer hate

No, a warrior in their face or a sin chaining their combo is the biggest threat to a mesmer. Next biggest threat is from an interrupt ranger. Mesmers are only the 3rd largest threat to a mesmer.

QFT. I much enjoyed my guild's match against yours Krieger. It was just too bad that your sin kept drawing me away from the flagstand for much of the match otherwise I would have had much more fun continuing to multitask interrupting you while slowing down your warriors with cripple and blackout.

Depends on the build of the mesmer. If I'm in my Illusion build, those aren't a threat. I actually seek out warriors and assassins.