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crystalklear64

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Dynasty Warrior

W/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 05:18 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

to an ebayer it sounds like this:

#1-6 month lifespan on their character: buy a used account with an old character

#2-2 Million Exp: alot of PWR lvl or see #1

#3-300 hour: afk or see #1

That arguement can be applied to anything and should be discredited as such.

Thats like saying, "Well, I could go level up, but I'm going to die in 90 years so I guess I won't."

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

10 Aug 2006 at 05:24 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomslay

OK, so one question why are you so against my suggestion

your argument sounds a lot like the one's used by people that don't want to change the social security system, everyone admits there's a problem but doesn't want to change the status quo, okay so what's your suggestion????

Because I don't see any problem with it?

So my suggestion would be "Let Anet do something better than fixing pointless stuff."

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalklear64

That arguement can be applied to anything and should be discredited as such.

Thats like saying, "Well, I could go level up, but I'm going to die in 90 years so I guess I won't."

The same is true for the whole point of this thread.

"Well, I could buy FoW, but if I do I'd be wearing the same armor as that noob I saw earlier so I guess I won't"

And let me tell you, no matter how hard it is for you to get something, noobs can still get that exact same thing. One way or another.

Loralai

Purveyor of Useless Info

Join Date: Oct 2005

Perpetual Motion Squad [PMS]

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 05:26 - 43

It's just armor...it doesn't affect your playing whether or not someone less experienced wears it or not. Why worry about it at all?

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

10 Aug 2006 at 05:29 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomslay

OK, so one question why are you so against my suggestion

your argument sounds a lot like the one's used by people that don't want to change the social security system, everyone admits there's a problem but doesn't want to change the status quo, okay so what's your suggestion????

the thing is that......nobody sees the problem. high end armors were meant to show off somebody's wealth, and they do the job perfectly.

and if you want to show your wealth or look diffrent, you will buy it, if no you rather buy high end weapons wich are more usefull...... if you dont have money u will farm it if you want the armor and thats it. if you wanna show skill try to get the "kind of big deal" title. that will mean more then anything u can show

just like in real life, if someone is driving a Mercedes, it doesnt mean that he is smart, it means that he had the money for it (from parents, insurance, lottery FTW)

Doomslay

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Knights and Heros

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 05:31 - 45

You know what really ticks me off I post a simple suggestion for an inprovment in the game and instead of thoughtful,insightful comments and suggestions I get slammed for even suggesting that there might be a different or better way of rewarding good game play, some people didnt even bother to read the whole post before blasting the idea.

I guess I picked the wrong place to get a fair reading

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

10 Aug 2006 at 05:34 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by crystalklear64

That arguement can be applied to anything and should be discredited as such.

Thats like saying, "Well, I could go level up, but I'm going to die in 90 years so I guess I won't."

the thing is that this is what ebayers do. alot of them buy accounts from ebay from people who quit GW and then run around in FOW armor on their ranger saying: "can anyone tell me what is max damage on a bow is?"

to normal people it sounds stupid, but anyone who ebays and who is lazy its the solution to become more l337

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

10 Aug 2006 at 05:43 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomslay

Arrrggg You dont read do you :

No, youre the one who cant seem to read. Again I ask, how does your suggestion, even for a next batch of FOW armor, prevent so called noobs from getting it? Any "noob" can also do the missions that you suggested, so how is that any different than it is now?

And why are you getting ticked off? Your suggestions just dont solve anything AND there isnt a problem to begin with in the first place. Seems like youre the only one who gets annoyed with "noobs" with FOW armor. Not our fault for not sharing the same petty feelings.

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 05:47 - 48

Just think of it this way: there are loopholes in everything.

You put something new in the game, and it can be gotten in simpler ways than intended. Just like the Urgoz's Warren: 12 people? Who needs 12 when you can use three! Nightmares are spawning now? Oh, I'll just get another person to increase the killing speed, therefore making more money than before!

Complain all you want about the state of Fissure of Woe armor, it doesn't matter. There is often more than one way to do anything, as my physics teacher reminds us everyday, and that is what makes life unique.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

10 Aug 2006 at 05:53 - 49

i think the only way to fix the problem is to stop the bots. i know, its an old problem, ANET is doin close to nothing, bots are hard to detect etc, but they are the onces that suply the Ebay with gold for n00bs

Doomslay

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Knights and Heros

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 05:54 - 50

The real loosers in this are those players that actually worked for their armor.

like I said before everyone knows there are ebayers ruining the game economy and the only way I can see to remedy the issue is to try to take the gold and material griding needed to get certain items and instead offer worthwhile and engaging quest worth doing yourself as an alternitive. Is that so bad an idae that you cant see its merits???

CorstedPirate

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Knights of the Void

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 05:55 - 51

Well the idea does have merit to a degree. I think the reason everyone is shooting it down is because it would be exploited.

FoW armor means a persons character is ascended and able to handle pressure in the end game areas right? Despite it being intended as a money sink it also does have that meaning to go with it. We have 2 kinds of people wearing it, those that worked for it in game and those that paid RL money for it, so what. Those that worked for it in game know who they are and won't be too bothered by accusations of having e-bayed.

Adding another armor for a new high end area that you don't need money or materials to buy??? That is just begging for exploitation even more than FoW armor, yet it is supposed to mean something. The only thing I could think of that would possibly be even close to that kind of reward would be something like the Titan Quests. Where it is required that you at least beat the last mission of the game then the end game quests too. It could be exploited by those same people that do those FoW armor runs, but it would likely cost a bit more for those that want it.

I think it is a bad idea. How about a special armor for beating every single quest and mission aside from those you can only do if you are a certain profession or repeatables. I could back something like that, if it was Prophesies or a campaign very similar.

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 05:56 - 52

Well, if the people want to pay for their armor, then they'll pay for it. The people who wanted the armor without paying with real money, well, played for it. It's a game, and you do your best to get what you want in it. So what if it's unfair? Life is unfair, and people complain. But in the end, does it even make a difference?

Doomslay

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Knights and Heros

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 06:03 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorstedPirate

How about a special armor for beating every single quest and mission aside from those you can only do if you are a certain profession or repeatables. I could back something like that, if it was Prophesies or a campaign very similar.

that is sorta what I ment a multi part quest that would involve time and effort, sure some will try to do profit from it but if

1. it takes multiple missions

2. it takes a full team < (im sure they can do it maybe not allowing less than full teams) = cost of having 6 of 7 asians working to get you through missions+time+bandwidth= maybe too much cost

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

10 Aug 2006 at 06:08 - 54

FoW armor is about vanity. It has nothing to do with being elite or having incredible skills. Once you start thinking "what should I get? 1.5k, 15k or FoW?" you're in it for the looks.

It's kinda dumb to judge someone's abilities by their armor. I've been called a noob (I'm not) because I've got 1.5k druids armor on my Female Ranger and not the 15k stuff. The only reason I don't have the 15k stuff is because I don't like the look of it.

I didn't get FoW armor for my Mesmer to show everyone how "l33t" I am (I'm not), I bought it because I didn't like the idea of someone running around the battlefield wearing a Victoria's Secret nightie. And yes, it means something to me, I worked my butt off earning the gold for it. Plus, when it came time to see the forgemaster, I fought right along with my party to get those quests done.

As for an elite mission that you have to do to get high-end armor, that could be kinda fun, if it were open to everyone. But, as has been previously mentioned, it wouldn't take long for people to figure out a way to master it and then carry people through it - like the spider capture groups in ToA, so the problem of "undeserving" people getting it anyway.

CorstedPirate

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Knights of the Void

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 06:11 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomslay

that is sorta what I ment a multi part quest that would involve time and effort, sure some will try to do profit from it but if

1. it takes multiple missions

2. it takes a full team < (im sure they can do it maybe not allowing less than full teams) = cost of having 6 of 7 asians working to get you through missions+time+bandwidth= maybe too much cost

Sorry, but if they are going to add mission armor that has no cost and is supposed to have all of this meaning for PvE it should be for completion of the entire game. As I said, all quests and missions for said campaign. That is the only way it would mean a darned thing, and you want this armor that means something right?

This idea of having to do a few missions/mission like quests for armor already exists in FoW armor. So why would they bother to do that again except make the armor free?

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

10 Aug 2006 at 06:12 - 56

Yet another "ZOMG I don't like current status symbols make new plz bai" thread...

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

10 Aug 2006 at 06:13 - 57

(explain the OP idea with my twist on it)

a series of quests, that do not have to be done all in same time, VERY hard quests with random spawns of enemys. at the end of every quest an NPC gives you a reward like a..... badge or something. to get the SUPER armor you need 1 of each. these badges are not usable by anyone exept for you, they are "assigned"

every quest has a diffrent one and the quest is not repeatble, meaning that once you took it, wached the end cinamatic, you still can go inside the area to have fun or farm stuff but you cant do the quest. if somebody who has quest comes along the NPC for quest reward will not appear, because you dont have the quest.

now, to not have the guild groups that "escort" noobs, and never take quest reward, lets say... the REALY REALY REALY hardest part of te quest is in the end. you absolutly cant complete it with 3-4 people because lets say, to get quest end you have to beteleported to a place. to teleport you need 8 people to stand on diffrentplatforms in same time to teleport, and as soon as you do u get "you completed the quest" thing and the end cinamatic comes along and it just wont let ppl quit right before. so nobody can repeat the quest, but can always go back with no quest

why not?

if you are an unskilled player, you will learn alot during the quests weater u want it or not.
you dont have to spend mounths in UW to get cash
this armor is gonna say: he finished the whole game, AND the REALY REALY HARD quests that are impossible to get a "ride" trough

you just wanna show that you have tons of cash? just buy the FOW armor then and leave this 1 for those who actually want to play the game and not repeatedly farm

Skids

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

UK FTW

R/Mo

10 Aug 2006 at 06:18 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opeth11

Well, if the people want to pay for their armor, then they'll pay for it. The people who wanted the armor without paying with real money, well, played for it. It's a game, and you do your best to get what you want in it. So what if it's unfair? Life is unfair, and people complain. But in the end, does it even make a difference?

QFT with feelin'

Doomslay

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Knights and Heros

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 06:19 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

(explain the OP idea with my twist on it)

a series of quests, that do not have to be done all in same time, VERY hard quests with random spawns of enemys. at the end of every quest an NPC gives you a reward like a..... badge or something. to get the SUPER armor you need 1 of each. these badges are not usable by anyone exept for you, they are "assigned"

every quest has a diffrent one and the quest is not repeatble, meaning that once you took it, wached the end cinamatic, you still can go inside the area to have fun or farm stuff but you cant do the quest. if somebody who has quest comes along the NPC for quest reward will not appear, because you dont have the quest.

now, to not have the guild groups that "escort" noobs, and never take quest reward, lets say... the REALY REALY REALY hardest part of te quest is in the end. you can complete it with 3-4 people, and as soon as you do u get "you completed the quest" thing and the end cinamatic comes along and it just wont let ppl quit right before. so nobody can repeat the quest, but can always go back with no quest

why not?

if you are an unskilled player, you will learn alot during the quests weater u want it or not.
you dont have to spend mounths in UW to get cash
this armor is gonna say: he finished the whole game, AND the REALY REALY HARD quests that are impossible to get a "ride" trough

you just wanna show that you have tons of cash? just buy the FOW armor then and leave this 1 for those who actually want to play the game and not repeatedly farm

First thank you SO MUCH, someone finnally botherd to see the idea and offer additional suggestions instead of telling everyone why it wont work. I love you even if your a man!!!!!

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

10 Aug 2006 at 06:30 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

every quest has a diffrent one and the quest is not repeatble, meaning that once you took it, wached the end cinamatic, you still can go inside the area to have fun or farm stuff but you cant do the quest. if somebody who has quest comes along the NPC for quest reward will not appear, because you dont have the quest.

now, to not have the guild groups that "escort" noobs, and never take quest reward, lets say... the REALY REALY REALY hardest part of te quest is in the end. you can complete it with 3-4 people, and as soon as you do u get "you completed the quest" thing and the end cinamatic comes along and it just wont let ppl quit right before. so nobody can repeat the quest, but can always go back with no quest

I might have misunderstood you, but are you saying that in order for you to get this armor, your full team must have the quest and also you can't help your friends to get it later because if you join them, the npc won't appear?

If so.-

1. How do you know that every person in your team has the quest? (Well, they could be a way)

2. Hard missions/quests are extremely hard with PUG unless you're very lucky. So with this kind of condition, someone in a guild or someone without a guild will have to join PUG. And even though he's one of the best GW players, he might not be able to get the armor because he missed his guild team yesterday, and gets unlucky with PUG? I can imagine even more whinning threads than now...

3. Imagine that you happened to reach the quest areas late into the game time. There's nearly nobody in the area to do the quest with you because they've all gone playing some new chapters. So no matter how long you've waited, there're not enough people there to do the quest with you. And nobody can help you with that... Don't you think that's worse than current elite mission situations?

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

10 Aug 2006 at 06:43 - 61

This thread is a rather useless one IMO. If you can't stand noobs in FoW armor, just change districts! Man is that so hard to think up? It's a losing battle trying to stop newbies to get the 'hot' content easily as they would just do as Maria said.

Make protector title a req? Mission runs would start like hell.

And no, I don't have FoW armor on any of my chars. I don't even have 5 ectos, come to that.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

10 Aug 2006 at 06:43 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I might have misunderstood you, but are you saying that in order for you to get this armor, your full team must have the quest and also you can't help your friends to get it later because if you join them, the npc won't appear?

If so.-

1. How do you know that every person in your team has the quest? (Well, they could be a way)

2. Hard missions/quests are extremely hard with PUG unless you're very lucky. So with this kind of condition, someone in a guild or someone without a guild will have to join PUG. And even though he's one of the best GW players, he might not be able to get the armor because he missed his guild team yesterday, and gets unlucky with PUG? I can imagine even more whinning threads than now...

3. Imagine that you happened to reach the quest areas late into the game time. There's nearly nobody in the area to do the quest with you because they've all gone playing some new chapters. So no matter how long you've waited, there're not enough people there to do the quest with you. And nobody can help you with that... Don't you think that's worse than current elite mission situations?

1- if everyone has the quets there is an NPC greeting you party in entrance

2- this is not suposed to be easy! this is not suposed to be an armor that ANYBODY can get. this is ment to be VERY hard and you will not complete it from first try most likely. so by wearing that armor you will "say": i did the harderst thing in GW, i puged the quests, so i proove you that i can be a good team player, even in a PUG...

3- these missions will be accessible after an end of EVERY campaig, kinda like fow is ccessible from both chapters. ok lets say...you can do the quest ONCE per character that finished campaign. lets say, my ranger finished 2 campaigns, so she gets to do it ONLY 2 times. so there will be a choice of reward, kinda like after killing shiro, but better then that. and about them being empty? as i said, this armor is goint to be on a VERY special status so it will take a patient organised group. those who dont have an active/helpful/normal guild might as well find a good guild while doin these missions, because they will show skill, and not money

Doomslay

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Knights and Heros

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 06:49 - 63

Come on folks instead of saying NO it will never Work add suggestions to improve the idea, thats alot harder I know, but you can do it if you try !!!!!

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

10 Aug 2006 at 06:51 - 64

Do you think it's necessary to insult ppl via PM, Doomslay?

We're expressing our opinions to the public. Don't get too work up about it just because someone disagree with you.

Doomslay

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Knights and Heros

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 06:55 - 65

here is a copy of what I sent to you

instead of knocking the idea ues your brain to make it better!

I know you can do it, try it you will like it.

only people with no imaination don't try to improve the world.

it was ment as a compliment and would not have been sent if I did not think you had a brain.

CHUIU

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Team Legacy

N/

10 Aug 2006 at 06:56 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomslay

And even though I have the Protector title on multiple chars Ive been told by the leet PVPers that they could do them blindfolded with one hand while being shocked by a monkey.

Yeah but did they ever put their money where their mouth was? I mean I couldn't find a monkey to do the shocking so I had to ask a human but I did it the same. It was pretty much just grab henchmen and spam 'c + space bar' the whole time.

nugzta

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

10 Aug 2006 at 07:12 - 67

You want armor to reflect your skill? Easy, make it so that you have to do some pvp gameplay (like AB/Aspenwood/Jade Quarry, of course it's different one for other chapters) and you earn faction points (like Balthazar/Kurzick/Luxon points). Then you exchange these points for armor so you cant buy the armor or transfer the points to someone else. It's a good way to bridge between pve and pvp as well. Other than that, anything from pve aspect is too static hardly to show some skills.

Molte

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Me/W

10 Aug 2006 at 07:41 - 68

lol
I just read 4 pages of nothing.

Fow armor has the same stats as any other armor.
Who cares.

floppinghog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

Squad Six Six Six [ssss]

A/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 07:47 - 69

rofl ^^^ 2nd that.... exactly what you said molte.

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 07:56 - 70

Anyways, why improve something that doesn't matter?

Oh wow, you spent more money in-game than me! Why can't I do that? ;_;

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 08:33 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomslay

You know what really ticks me off I post a simple suggestion for an inprovment in the game

Is this the suggestion forum?

opps.

Quote:

and instead of thoughtful,insightful comments and suggestions I get slammed for even suggesting that there might be a different or better way of rewarding good game play, some people didnt even bother to read the whole post before blasting the idea.

Yet some people have read your post and given you good reasons why its ok as is, but you dont agree and are getting annoyed.

Fow armour means sod all, just like any pve armour, there is no way to make pve armour that shows skill, because

PVE DOES NOT REQUIRE SKILL.

how many completly clueless morons do you see running about in the end game areas.

PVE DOES NOT REQUIRE SKILL.

If you want armour that shows skill, then PVP is basicly the way, anything else is abusable or easy to obtian by joining good groups.

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 08:39 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron searle

PVE DOES NOT REQUIRE SKILL.

Why the hell not? Do you even know what skill means?

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 08:40 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomslay

I got to thinking about Fissure of Woe Armor (FOW), and about how it really means little or nothing anymore. Let's face it anyone with enough money can go on eBay and buy the materials needed, or spend a huge amount of time in the Fissure of Woe killing enough beasties To Make Fissure of Woe Armor.

I do not entirely agree with you, but on the quote I indicated is something I want to talk about. We were doing the bonus trick (Necrotic Traversal), and a warrior with Fissure of Woe armor told me to back off because he had more skills then me. Well, long story short, he died, I lived. I had 1.5k platemail ^^ lol.

Onto the main topic. If you were you change it, the what would the values of ectos and obsidian shards be? What would be our next material of some sort that can be used as money (Like when people say 100k + 5 ectos). I'd hate to see people who have 1000 ectos, and end up losing over 192417091k. Its hard to show PvE skills,the most you can do it just get titles. There will always be the noobs who eBay, and they can easily just get a run to beat that "uber" boss. They did that with Urgoz and Kanaxai

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

10 Aug 2006 at 08:43 - 74

You are REALLY dumb if you think FoW armour ( or 15K ) has anything to do with skill. Or rank. After the IWAY craze that is. ( or even spirit spam, or dual smite. )

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

10 Aug 2006 at 08:43 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opeth11

Why the hell not? Do you even know what skill means?

I think he tried to say that, in order to accomplish something in PvE, you don't really have to be good at the game because....(drum roll)

You can go afk in a good group and they'll get the mission done for you.

The same is true for some formats of PvP, but very unlikely.

Sad, but true.

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 08:45 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron searle

PVE DOES NOT REQUIRE SKILL.

Here we go again.

Someone lock this thread before it gets ugly.

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

10 Aug 2006 at 08:46 - 77

Seriously, why fix a non existant problem? Why get so worked up over who is wearing what when you have the same option to do so too?

This smacks of elitism. You dont like a certain type of people getting FOW so you want to change the rules so that only people like you can feel special and leave other people out.

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

10 Aug 2006 at 08:48 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I think he tried to say that, in order to accomplish something in PvE, you don't really have to be good at the game because....(drum roll)

You can go afk in a good group and they'll get the mission done for you.

The same is true for some formats of PvP, but very unlikely.

Sad, but true.

Well, the way that he said it almost makes the reader believe that he is trying to convince you that there is no way to show that you are good in PvE because it's easy.

Oh, can't I show some skill by doing a stupidly complicated? Solo FoW? Three man urgoz? Three man clearing of FoW? Three man clearing of the UW? They all seem to take some skill to me.

PvE doesn't take skill? My ass. Especially if you try to compare it to the dictionary description of skill.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

10 Aug 2006 at 09:20 - 79

The root of the problem is the buyers and sellers of gold in GW. More needs to be done to stop it.

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

10 Aug 2006 at 09:53 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by Opeth11

Well, the way that he said it almost makes the reader believe that he is trying to convince you that there is no way to show that you are good in PvE because it's easy.

It is easy.

Quote:

Oh, can't I show some skill by doing a stupidly complicated? Solo FoW? Three man urgoz? Three man clearing of FoW? Three man clearing of the UW? They all seem to take some skill to me.

PvE doesn't take skill? My ass. Especially if you try to compare it to the dictionary description of skill.

Yes there are hard bits but the actual campaing isnt hard, and Pve is expliotable because its scripted AI, which means once a build has been developed nearly anyone can do it.

I dont see how you can mesure pve skill, simply because of its nature.

And also you can just join a good group and do well no matter how poor you actually are.

Thats why PVE dosnt "REQUIRE" skill

I should probably have put more emphasis on that word, you need skill to play PVE decently, but you dont REQUIRE any skill to beat it or most other PVE related things, you can just join a group or use a known build.