FOW Abuse

Yeah but ambers/jades can be bought at rare material traders = golds = ebay. Leeching is another topic which I dont want to discuss here.

Back to topic, some people are a bit harsh to the OP. He said that FoW armor now dont have its status as it used to be due many ebayers. There are some people actually earn their FoW armor. It's too late for anything can be done for FoW but he hopes that same thing wont happen to the next armor (maybe from other god realm). He wants that armor truly shows your accomplishment/dedication in pve, not necessarily to show some skills.

Used to?


Is everyone forgetting how easy it was to farm underworld pre-protective bond nerf, fow armour is now harder to get surely (ignoring ebay issues).

Anyway ive never seen FOW armour as a sign of skill, most of the people i see using it are clearly solo farmers at heart, you can tell by the play stlye they are used to the solo tactics, but are not comftable with teamplay, yes there are exeptions, but thats why i dont see it as a sign of skill.

Its just damn nice armour is all.

I dont see the point in changing it because its already been obtained by so many, bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted, not that i think its actually a problem. Cantha armour is already a sign of "skill" in that you need to beat the game, but as i said unskilled people can get it because it dosnt take much to beat the game other than join a good group, and i cant see another way of doing it that wont be fair to all classes.

Like in the real world anything can be bought, making an armor based on accomplishments will just spawn runners for these accomplishments, like the Siper cap in UW, or any mission, just look at the services pages.

OP i see where you are coming from but this is hardly the place to discuss this, FoW armor threads are justing waiting to be flamed. The flamers wait with baited breath for such threads.

The only way to create an armor harder to obtain then FoW is to find some way to base it on skill and not grind. Im open for ideas on that subject as most of PvE GW is grind..

I don't think FoW armor was ever "l33t" armor, just expensive armor =/

It was the general public that see it as elite armor.

Actually like the OP idea... but there is one thing that will annoy the hell out of me. That is, if, the elite armor look like crap, henc I don't want to get it; then I get label as noob automaticall, now that would be hell.

Your idea is both completely contrary to why the armor was made in the first place and stupid. "Noobs" as you call them are all in the eye of the beholder, I am SURE someone somewhere would call you a "noob" and I really don't get how you think you can judge "skill" in pve. It's basically mindless stuff like watch aggro and press 1-2-3. Fissure was meant as a grind, if you make it harder to get to the "noobs" will still find a way to farm it. If you want a "leet" pve title then aim for Kind of a big Deal or something.

waahh??... sorry, but your just whack!

the gold on ebay is a non-argument, because it can be applied to ANYTHING in any game, no matter what you did to make FoW armor acheivable there will be someone out there who will sell it on ebay.

In fact, by making it more diffucult, you dont eliminate these people you simply give them added value and they charge even more!

hmmm, riiiight.. 100+ shards, 100+ Ectos, 75k+ in gold..

If someone farmed Fissure enough to pay for all that, I think they damn well deserve their armor!.. as for elite status?.. well, I know I certainly could NEVER farm FoW that much It would get hideously boring and only the most patient and determined person would acheive it.

Fow armour isnt a symbol of elitism, just as rank isnt, its merly an indication of someones dedication and commitment to playing Guildwars... which I for one, respect!

I know, maybe make these missoions like a quest. Once it is done, it is done. So they will be no mission runners.

And yes people could make tonnes of accounts but since you will need to be asscended ~completed game~ or what ever, it won't be worth the time.

Wow. I just read 7 pages of idiotic flames. Please stay on topic guys. While I don't have FoW or any 1337 armor, I can see why people might want to get it. I just don't like the looks, maybe they do.
OT= I really like the ideas for maybe making it a bit tougher. But unfortunately people will find a way around it.Hopefully not too quickly. Another way to get people out of FOW and UW would be to add more armor skins, whether at the end of another gods realm( with a new requirement material) or simply in a city like Droks.
This would get a lot of Ebayers just because they would be new and shiny. It would make other people that don't like Fow armor happy, cause we get choices. And if it were in the Gods realms its would still be a challenge, while distracting Ebayers from the good ol' FoW.But unfortunately a status (elite armor) lost is a status that can't be regained easily.

/edit I like the idea of restricting one armor for one Char. to keep people from guiding runs. Only problem would be for those gaffs when you accidentally delete your armor (or something horrible happens to your comp which makes your armor burst into flames). Might want to put a strict limit, but give them 2 chances just in case.

Boy I found that out people around here dont want to try to think of ways to improve the game they would rather tell you your an idiot for even making a suggestion which is so much easier than THINKING.

Those people that never saw FOW armor as a status symbol for any reason or say it was meant as a money sink may be correct,thats not the point. I have already said that is a nonrecoverable situation, I said lets hope the developers can fix the next armor obtainment method to show that people that are wearing it (EARNED) it thats all.

Anyway the fact that the thread is as long as it is will hopefully attract the attention of Gaile if no one else.

And after reading most of these post I stand by my statement that most of the people flaming my idea did not even bother to read most of the preceeding post.

Well isn't this an interesting little thread.... Seven pages of flames and barely any sort of valid discussion to a mediocre idea. The mods must be sleeping since they haven't closed this yet.

Like people have said before, no matter what setup you choose, someone will find a way to farm it and negate the whole "earning" concept that you so desperately desire.

My idea would be this:

A PvP forgemaster quest. The Forgemaster's Final Uber Test

The final quest before you can craft any piece of Obsidian Armor requires you to defeat a team who came to FoW for that exact same reason as you.

If you lose, you get booted out of FOW.

You wanna play for keeps? Hows that?

Of course this is also exploitable. You could have groups tanking your FoW group just to get the quest finished. To combat that, we add a "cool down". If you lose the forgemaster's final test, you cant enter FoW for 24 hours.

like i always say, destroy the barrier between PvE and PvP!

edit: i think my idea is good, but not feasable, because some players are just going to be REALLY whiny about it, plus dreamhunk's gonna be all up in here posting "rpg this, rpg that" -.o

Does this thread need any more posts? Its about this OP is poor and wants Fow armor! so he wants to change fow so you dont have to pay! nuff said, kthxbai. lawlz if you want money go do HoH and get a 15^50 req 7 crystalline lawlz

LOL.

I have three sets of fow armor not one was purchases to make me feel l337 or superior I got them because they looked cool. My first necro set I got just after I ascended my necro and hadnt even played it properly same with my ele. I like all my characters to look awsome and couldnt care less how much the armor costs it just so happens that it was fow armor which I liked. I had no skill as an ele or necro when I bought them but I thought they looked cool. FOW armor is purely a gold skink it is not designed to recognise skill.

Maybe make armor which requires you to complete every quest and mission including bonus/masters then have to do some mammoth mission to get the armor but Anet will never make FOW armor obtainable this way.

I have spent millions on armor alone. If everyone who had FOW armor did not have it and instead had millions of gold the price of items would increase drasitically. Instead of buying multiple FOW armor sets I could buy a 15>50 crystalline sword. Through buying them I cannot afford them thus preventing me driving the price of items up through having tons of excess gold.

The OP seems to be jealous of those who have way too much time on there hands or are actually talented at making gold. Some of my favourite trades include buying shields for 50k then reselling for 400k Quit winging about it and get farming/trading etc if you want it sooo bad. FOW armor was never designed to show your skill. A person in 1.5k armor could be more skillful than someone in FOW armor. I never judge a person on what armor they have. Some of the wealthiest people I know have only 1.5k armor. Some of the worst people I have met have FOW armor.

Maybe introduce King Of A Big Deal armor which is a reward for being a KOABD.

To be skillfull in Guild Wars you dont need rare skin items or expensive armor. Collectors items, Greens or 1.5k armor are all you need. If you like/want FOW armor and cannot afford it thats your problem. I have had the time and patience to grind to get it. Just because you cannot be bothered does not mean Anet should change it to allow lazy people to get it. If Anet did change it there would be tens of thousands of people with FOW armor who are not as skilled with those who do.

The ideas of an uber hard quest to get the skillfull armor wont work. Look at FOW and the trip to the forgemaster, you can 3 man it. People over in the services forum offer to do it for you. The idea of the pressure pads and getting people to stand on them wont work as the customer can just stand on them too. The idea of making a quest where it is sooo hard only 8 people in an 8 man team can do it and not 7 wont work. A massive number of teams would fail due to it being sooo difficult a team where noone can make mistakes would be required. This would lead to massive grind and would be one big mess. PUGing it would be impossible and even guild/alliance teams would struggle.

Your idea is atrocious and if I was you I would be embarrassed and ask to have my name changed. Maybe Anet making armor for people with KOABD in Nightfall would be nice but again getting the title is not skill but grind. People with skill dont need armor to show their skill they would be recognised by others. Take Racoth, Sno, Stryder Kairu (sp) etc they are all recognised for their skill and not for having some uber set of armor.

sounds good to me rawr i will eat everyone else for breakest... maybe

You people sound so pathethic. Fissure armor sux, fissure armor is ugly, fissure armor means nothing. OMG people I can afford it, I have it. I don't give a cr*p about your opinion about my armor. When you can't have one it seems sooo ugly, but if you can - omg I got fow armor. I like it, I will have it and THAT'S IT!

i have 1 set of fow monk armor. i farmed all the materials myself, saved up several months for it, ever since my ele got her first ecto and i didn't even know what it was. in those days ecto cost around 1.5k and few knew what to do with them. i made a lot of trips to uw, and eventually gathered enough ecto on my own to lead a few groups successfully to the fow armor crafter. getting my armor was fun and pretty cool to boot.

these days, people always say so and so must have ebayed their fow armor. rarely would i say that's true for monks as most monks i've come across wearing fow armor are usually quite experienced. the true farming monks who we all assume are rich little monks in general wear cheapo and garishly dyed tattoos. those monks are in it purely for the gold, they're not going to waste it on fow armor..
most classes in fow armor i've met have been mature and excellent players. the only exception would be those, ahem, male warriors.. as we all know how many young boys play those.. even had one admit he ebayed his fow armor the other day lol

one solution to the problem? i think groups should be required to clear all of fow, every last beast, before they can craft their armor =)

a newer, perhaps armor w/ the same materials but a different look should be available once you clear all quests in UW - and gwen should craft it for you in gratitude =)
last time i cleared uw, we were pretty disappointed there was no crafter and no gwen, no nothing. i would think now they could at the very LEAST create a title for those who have cleared all or uw all of fow!

Maybe because your suggestion doesnt really solve anything and there isnt really a problem to begin with.

And judging from your OP, this is less about you wanting to improve the game and more about you wanting to look elite ingame and trying to get rid of all the other FOW wearing noobs. Go back at look at that post. Your whole gripe is about how these shmucks didnt earn their armor and it makes yours look less cool as a result.

I'm not flaming you for making a suggestion. But you cant seem to accept that this is such a minor problem, at the bottom of the list and that your solution will do NOTHING to solve it anyway. At the end of the day, no matter what restrictions they put in place, there will always be "noobs" having something the same as you. And "elite" armor will still mean nothing, it just means you've jumped through all the hoops needed.

To the OP, do you have FOW armor?

money sinks r required for any more or less healthy economy, get over it alrdy pls! nobody makes u to buy this fow set, go buy 15k cathan instead, get ur end-game green for no charge....

Lyra even A-net have finally seen the light YOU CAN NOT FORCE PEOPLE TO DO PVP if they don't like it. There is no barrier to destroy diffrent people like different things, thats why communisem don't work, do not force PvP on people if they don't want it. PLZ


I might just have to buy A-Net so I can ban ppl like you from the game.

you could say add an more exspensive gold sink but then ppl will moan this will increase ebaying

you could say remove all moneysinks but then ppl would complain about prices of weapons rising (which they would)

everything has a downside..and you will never please 100% of the population 99% of which dont give a f**k about FoW armor in the first place

My idea is not forcing PvP on to you. Obsidian Armor is completely optional.

Lol. Thats why i said that idea was not feasable. Because some people dont like PvP and cant stand even coming near it.

But my idea is the only one where people actually have semblance of earning fow because of SKILL and not because of grinding.

Any pure PVE method can be farmed/grinded/exploited. Even my PvP idea is flawed, but its the closest, imo to making you earn your FoW.

You can be mad at me all you want but this is what i want:

If i had my way, there would be NO difference between PvP and PvE. It would just flow into one and another, so theres no seam, no barrier, no difference. All the same players, all playing the same game. Nobody says "I play PvE". Nobody says "I play PvP". Everyone says "I play Guild Wars."

but thats never going to happen, but i can dream cant i?

OP seems to be arguing and rubbishing almost every response in here. That's hardly debate. Also, quit rubbishing the titles and FOW armour. Just because it's meaningless to you does not mean it's meaningless to everyone else. If you really wanted to go down that route you could argue ALL armour and weapons are meaningless and worthless beyond the collector/1.5k max items, because beyond that it's just cosmetic.

People do these things for themselves, call it ego or whatever you want, but what right does that give you to rubbish everything just because it doesn't fit your world view?

I personally think FOW armour is a collossal waste of money (for me) and doesn't really show anything but that I farmed/traded an awful lot and have lots of game money to spend; that's just my opinion, but would I rubbish someone who does have it? No. If it works for them, good on them.

Yes! I know! Let's add even more elitism to Guild Wars!


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/sarcasm off

I can see it allready on E-bay, GW account with FoW armour for sale $300
People doing all that is recuierd to get the FoW armour and then selling it for a huge profit. A E-Bay guild and all they are doing is building up accounts with FoW armour and selling them. 1 Toon to run 7 others through the game, hmm might be a good money maker.

eh fow armor or any type of armor matters not to me. 15k, droks, fow idc what you wear if it comes down to a fight we'll see whos the last one standing -_-

and as for ebay i checked it out and i didnt see any of these "materials" on sale....

this thread has run its course imo

these thread rarely ever turn out to more then a flame fest

/time to close

Yup just like how people can Ebay for fame, you can surely ebay for FoW if it was PvP linked. But theres a slight difference.

Fame is account based. No matter what character, no matter how many times you delete a character, you have the same rank, so if you bought a Fame account, you can still play it as your own.

Armor is attached to the specific character. That character's name and physical trait are tied to that armor. So you arent buying fow armor, you are buying the specific character with FoW armor. So if you dont like the height, name, or face, well..tough luck.

This is from browsing E-bay for 5 minutes

10 Globs of Ectoplasm for Guild Wars GW Ectos Ecto - $3.20

Guild Wars 120 Ecto +Shards Get Your FoW Obsidian ARMOR
120 Ectoplasm + 120 Obsidian Shards + 150k Gold - WOW!!
$115.99

GUILD WARS DROKS ARMOR RARE GOLD ACCOUNT SERVICE -
$15.99

Guild Wars 120 Ectoplasm Ecto 120 Shards 150K FOW Armor
120 Ectos 120 Shards 150K Gold!! Get Your FISSURE ARMOR
$116.95

If you want I can have all the matterials and money needed tomarrow to show you how wrong you are. if you had bothered to read you would have seen that I have had the needed matterials and money more than once before but instead chose to donate said materials to my guild for FOW armor contest

This people is what I ment about lazy people coming to this thread without READING and then its flame on !!!!

gee its so much harder to think isn't it

I actually like the OP's suggestion. I would love a diverse area with monsters that have random patrol routes, high A.I, and skill changes eg. Some times a dom mesmer and some times a air spike ele. The monsters could also concentrate on profession with weaker armour instead of only attacking the war.

If there were several areas like this, it would make it hard for any team to do it first try because it would require a great deal of planning, communication and skill. As a reward you could get a badge/title/armour to prove that you finished the mission/s.

The titles/badges/armours could not be sold and therefore it would only be displayed by the player that finished the mission. This area would be the ultimate test of skill, and it would keep any hardcore player busy.

These items would not be able to be sold, therefore no E-bay; the item would also remain on the character that did the mission, and not be account based like fame.

OK - Here's a way to make an armor set that relies on a person's skill:

Make a mission/quest for a one person party. You go in on your own, like with the Doppleganger in Prophecies, but you have a whole quest(or series of quests) to accomplish. Make it tough, but do-able. Then you'd have the reward of being able to select your armor from an armoror (Let's call him "Herbie.") once you complete the quest(s). Maybe "Herbie" is the one you're rescuing, and as a reward, he provides all of the materials and makes it for free.

PROS: 1. No one will be able to "tag-along" and be carried through the quest. 2. No one can e-bay their way to it buy buying the runner service or the materials needed for the armor.

CONS: 1. The only people who will actually want to bother with this armor are the ones who like the look of it. (just like 95% of FoW wearers) 2. Once people figures out a build and tactics for beating the quest (for each profession), it'll get posted on GWGuru and other sites so everyone can find out how to do it with the least trouble (just like doppleganger, Tombs, SF farming, Droks runners, etc. etc.) 3. A person of less the exceptional skill could allow a trusted guildie to do the quest for them, so the idea that this armor = skill flys out the window anyway. 4. The person in #3 gets his account hi-jacked by the "trusted guildie" because he's an idiot for giving anyone else access to his account. 5. It creates another avenue for elitism: "Ha ha I've got Herbie's armor!! You all suck!"

I guess it solves the problem of E-bayers getting the armor, but not the unskilled.

Here is a suggestion or two:-

1. For entry to FoW and UW. As well as being ascended, your character must have a Protector of Tyria or Cantha title as well.

2. At least 6 FoW quests out of the 11 must be completed each time before the Forgemaster will craft for you.

3. There could be 4 markers or bosses scattered around FoW that you must touch or kill to get tokens (customised to each character) before seeing the Forgemaster. You must have all 4 tokens to exchange or the Forgemaster doesnt craft for you.

3. Have the monsters randomly spawn (random numbers and professions as well as locations) in FoW - it will make it less predictable (also do the same for UW as well). This would cut down the bots as well as the quest runners.

4. Change the Forgemaster quest to a timed one, once the gates to his area are open.

Fissure of Woe Armour, whether anyone likes it or not is an elite armour, so it should be made so even more, by making it harder to get. Afterall, you cant just map the towns and outposts to get this one, even if you do have the money and materials.

O.o I cant beleive it three real suggestions in a row, see I knew there were people out there willing to think.

/signed

There were alwasy be look at what I have, Im leet noob

I've also thought of something similiar but tie it to drops / items required that you have to earn that can't be bought traded or sold via special missions, quests or other challenging method. It would have more weight of status aka cool armor on a closer level of oh you have mapping and protctor titles for 2 chapters.

You have a negative view of things but thats not really the reality. Lack of rank means one of two things:

1) You don't HA
2) You HA and Lose alot

If you don't put the time in you really don't have the skills or the rank. There is a learning curve to everything so there is going to be an investment of some time put in to learn the game, yet after a certain point you can be sure that ranked players in general have some skill in HA. No reason to belittle those who have achieved their rank.

Not at all I have had my FoW armor for over a year and It means one thing, I know FoW/UW like the back of my hand and did them enough times to gather the materials to get the armour. There are people who ebay, and corrupt the spirit of the game. Yet when I see people in FoW armor I think the best of them like I want to be thought of and think they are good questers as well.

I guess my point is everyone isn't a cheater and shouldn't be viewed as such automatically. Myself, guildies and friends spent many hours and months clearing the 11 quests in FoW and UW to get our armor last chapter and its wrong to look at people and say " Hey, there's an ebayer he cheats". So try to think good of people you just might be correct.

I don't c how u can make an armor in the game which shows to other ppl that your an elite.
We got elite missions now but i can't say for myself that it takes any skill after a while. U got the persons who do these mission/quests for the first time and it will be probably very hard to complete them. But soon u will get builds that everyone uses and the ammount of skill that is needed will quickly drop.

If u want to put an end to the ecto ebay stuff then make those special super armor crafting items customized when they drop.
Not that i want that.... just a thought

why do you care so much about what other people do?

makes you feel inferior?

I have one question for you: What the hell happens If at the end of this "trip" with the 10000000 quests you decided to give me, I get err7? Hmm? What is going to happen with my 1337 reward for doing all this crap? Cause I've been there lots of times and I had serveral problems getting my armors > err7, electicity shut down, what the hell happens IF I do all the quests you would like to see ingame, AND something ended my connection? Hmmmm... Let me guess - go again? No thx, If I farm my ass off getting the cash for it - hell no way I'm going to prove to anyone with some... quests?!?! that I deserve it.