Shiro's Not Such A Bad Guy... **spoilers**
darrylhaines
I've got to agree with 2ndname on that.
beleg curudin
I have a great story to place in the gaps of this.
the old 200 year ago emperior had descovered a way to live forever, his body would be preserved against age by stealing the life force of the ones he kills, but his body is already quite old, and so he unearths a spell that will let him take the body of one who kills him. So he find the strongest warrior in the land and hires a peasent to pretend to be a fortune teller and reel shiro in. The emperiors plan goes right.
He says the incantation just as Shiro strikes him down, The soul of the Emperior leaves his body and consumes Shiro's soul. From there the Luxons and kurzicks that were on the island attack, so The now Emperior starts his body preservation spell and kills anyone that comes near, but he has underestimated the warriors and is quickly struck down, and when he dies the spell of presurvation he was charging explodes into what was known as the Jade wind, preserving the majority of Cantha, in the state it was in.
The end result, the emperiors Soul having consumed Shiro's has taken its appearance, and the great warrior Shiro was to be given the great Honor of being inducted as a Envoy upon his death, the Emperior uses this as his advantage and works toward his goal of regaining his body, and beginning his spell of preservation anew.
His spirit connection between the new emperior and himself is do to the new emperior being one of his decendants. Which is a requirement for his reincarnation spell, he must use the blood of his body, but since his body is long gone, a decendants is the next best thing.
He is reborn, and is soon defeated by the heros, but Suun is wise and knows that the preservation spell would unleash another jade wind so the students seal him in jade to prevent it.
Being reborn his life had begun with a clean slate which he choice for evil, so he was not gifted a envoy position and thus was sent to the UW.
the old 200 year ago emperior had descovered a way to live forever, his body would be preserved against age by stealing the life force of the ones he kills, but his body is already quite old, and so he unearths a spell that will let him take the body of one who kills him. So he find the strongest warrior in the land and hires a peasent to pretend to be a fortune teller and reel shiro in. The emperiors plan goes right.
He says the incantation just as Shiro strikes him down, The soul of the Emperior leaves his body and consumes Shiro's soul. From there the Luxons and kurzicks that were on the island attack, so The now Emperior starts his body preservation spell and kills anyone that comes near, but he has underestimated the warriors and is quickly struck down, and when he dies the spell of presurvation he was charging explodes into what was known as the Jade wind, preserving the majority of Cantha, in the state it was in.
The end result, the emperiors Soul having consumed Shiro's has taken its appearance, and the great warrior Shiro was to be given the great Honor of being inducted as a Envoy upon his death, the Emperior uses this as his advantage and works toward his goal of regaining his body, and beginning his spell of preservation anew.
His spirit connection between the new emperior and himself is do to the new emperior being one of his decendants. Which is a requirement for his reincarnation spell, he must use the blood of his body, but since his body is long gone, a decendants is the next best thing.
He is reborn, and is soon defeated by the heros, but Suun is wise and knows that the preservation spell would unleash another jade wind so the students seal him in jade to prevent it.
Being reborn his life had begun with a clean slate which he choice for evil, so he was not gifted a envoy position and thus was sent to the UW.
RTSFirebat
All I can say is....
"Beware.... the Harvest... Ceremony!"
Repeat that 100X in that cutscene
"Beware.... the Harvest... Ceremony!"
Repeat that 100X in that cutscene
wilson
all this was the emperors fault. who takes an ASSASSIN for personal BODYGUARD? 
something like that just has to go wrong
something like that just has to go wrong
2ndName
Taking an assassin as a bodyguard is a good move IMO. They will know how/when/where if any other assassin will try to assassinate your boss.
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Taking an assassin as a bodyguard is a good move IMO. They will know how/when/where if any other assassin will try to assassinate your boss.
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wilson
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Kai Nui
Now all I have to say is that hopefully later we'll have an expansion onto the Underworld and be able to fight Shiro again as long as everyone in the party has beaten factions. That'd be awesome.
Although I do think the Envoys are a bit foggy. They don't seem quite... kosher... I mean none of them look like really nice people, I don't know, maybe in later plots the Prophecies and Factions storylines will be furthered so we more thoroughly understand and get that great feeling inside of, "AH-HA!" This game could use a good one of those where everything just slides into place, and it all makes sense, because there are a lot of mysteries still out there... heck there could be Bloodstones in Cantha... Maybe not.
Although I do think the Envoys are a bit foggy. They don't seem quite... kosher... I mean none of them look like really nice people, I don't know, maybe in later plots the Prophecies and Factions storylines will be furthered so we more thoroughly understand and get that great feeling inside of, "AH-HA!" This game could use a good one of those where everything just slides into place, and it all makes sense, because there are a lot of mysteries still out there... heck there could be Bloodstones in Cantha... Maybe not.
2ndName
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But once your personal assasssin bodyguard figure out who it is, they can't tank for you :P
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Ari Shiningstar
I liked the game play of factions, but the story line wasn't great. I kept expecting there to be plot twists like in prophecies. In prophecies I remember rushing to each mission just to see what was going to happen next. Yes the end was alittle bit wimpy, but for the most part it was interesting, and made some sort of sense.
In factions, the storyline just seemed to be thrown together. Maybe they think we don't really care about the story, but I was dissapointed. When Shiro came into the story with the fortune teller, I thought they were going to put in a plot twist. Up until the harvest ceremony they lead up to it...with the emporer taking people in when he wasn't supposed to, but then they dropped the ball. It felt like they were going to do something, and then decided against it for some reason.
I felt sorry for Shiro, he was just trying to do his job. Is it his fault his storyline sucked?
Ari
In factions, the storyline just seemed to be thrown together. Maybe they think we don't really care about the story, but I was dissapointed. When Shiro came into the story with the fortune teller, I thought they were going to put in a plot twist. Up until the harvest ceremony they lead up to it...with the emporer taking people in when he wasn't supposed to, but then they dropped the ball. It felt like they were going to do something, and then decided against it for some reason.
I felt sorry for Shiro, he was just trying to do his job. Is it his fault his storyline sucked?
Ari
Mosch
I still wonder what the Jade Wind is supposed to be. It happens on Shiro's first death and it happens again when the heroes kill him, only this time it is quickly contained within this protective bubble thingy. It kind of just happens. Him suddenly turning evil, OK, I can deal with that, he became bitter after his trust was misused and he overdid it with the revenge. He's more of a tragic character than an evil one...
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As to the emperor letting Shiro and his guards into the temple, maybe it's because he's gotten to the point where he's trust Shiro with his life that he'd wan't him to constantly be by his side to protect him.
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KESKI
He killed someone cause she said something he dont like to hear....
You are telling me he have good nature??
You are telling me he have good nature??
Mera Regila
Even though his theories were well thought out, I'd have to disagree with Doomlord Slayermann's assessment of Shiro being evil.
Is there any evidence that Shiro killed rebels and hung their heads on the palace walls? If he did so, it would be to send a message to people who are attempting to kill the Emperor and all the people loyal to him.
He didn't kill her "Without a second thought" he killed her in a maddened rage, having just heard the location of his own death. If someone told me my best friend was going to kill me, I'd be pretty upset myself, perhaps enough to hurt that person. Shiro had two powerful blades, in a maddened rage of beign told the Emperor would kill him, he killed the Fortune Teller.
He killed the Emperor because he feared for his own life, and he was driven mad by her premonition. He had to choose, the life of his would-be-killer, or his. Naturally, as anyone would have chosen, he chose his life over the one who he thought would kill him in cold blood for no reason or provocation whatsoever.
My assessment of Shiro: He was a tortured spirit who was forced into killing the Emperor. He wanted revenge, evil or no, from the people who killed and dishonored him.
Is there any evidence that Shiro killed rebels and hung their heads on the palace walls? If he did so, it would be to send a message to people who are attempting to kill the Emperor and all the people loyal to him.
He didn't kill her "Without a second thought" he killed her in a maddened rage, having just heard the location of his own death. If someone told me my best friend was going to kill me, I'd be pretty upset myself, perhaps enough to hurt that person. Shiro had two powerful blades, in a maddened rage of beign told the Emperor would kill him, he killed the Fortune Teller.
He killed the Emperor because he feared for his own life, and he was driven mad by her premonition. He had to choose, the life of his would-be-killer, or his. Naturally, as anyone would have chosen, he chose his life over the one who he thought would kill him in cold blood for no reason or provocation whatsoever.
My assessment of Shiro: He was a tortured spirit who was forced into killing the Emperor. He wanted revenge, evil or no, from the people who killed and dishonored him.
Mera Regila
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RTSFirebat
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"He didn't like to hear" is a sad understatement. This woman, was telling him, the one he protected these long years, served as his most trusted bodyguard for all those years, would kill him. If the Emperor killed Shiro then and there, it would be in cold blood, no provocation whatsoever on Shiro's part. He killed her in a rush of grief and anger, an irresistable inpulse if you could call it that.
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dreamhunk
I don't think we have seen the last of him
Blind Rage
shiro is evil the cutscene says so (man that was the best game cutscene i have ever seen) "evil walks cantha" unless they were talking about queen christie or something.
Big_Iron
He was just defending himself from the evil emperor. Then when he was killed, he came back for revenge. If he'd been played by Arnold Schwarzenegger, we'd all been pulling for him.
Knightsaber Sith
This brings to mind that conspiracy theory that the seer in tyria and the fortune teller in cantha have been manipulating people to yet unknown ends that will culminate in a later campaign
KESKI
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"He didn't like to hear" is a sad understatement. This woman, was telling him, the one he protected these long years, served as his most trusted bodyguard for all those years, would kill him. If the Emperor killed Shiro then and there, it would be in cold blood, no provocation whatsoever on Shiro's part. He killed her in a rush of grief and anger, an irresistable inpulse if you could call it that.
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2. Who pull out their not so godly but very sharp blades for no good reason in local street?? For god sack, there are children around. I would understand if he smashed the table, kicked the rat, or even gave that old women a "small" push, but slashed her?? He was ready to kill even before he heard his fortune.
(this is partialy A-net's fualt )I am not saying Shiro shuoldnt defend himself, but killed that fortune teller was not defending himself.
Doomlord_Slayermann
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Is there any evidence that Shiro killed rebels and hung their heads on the palace walls? If he did so, it would be to send a message to people who are attempting to kill the Emperor and all the people loyal to him.
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He didn't kill her "Without a second thought" he killed her in a maddened rage, having just heard the location of his own death. If someone told me my best friend was going to kill me, I'd be pretty upset myself, perhaps enough to hurt that person. Shiro had two powerful blades, in a maddened rage of beign told the Emperor would kill him, he killed the Fortune Teller.
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Originally Posted by Mera Regila
He killed the Emperor because he feared for his own life, and he was driven mad by her premonition. He had to choose, the life of his would-be-killer, or his. Naturally, as anyone would have chosen, he chose his life over the one who he thought would kill him in cold blood for no reason or provocation whatsoever.
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Sorry, but Shiro is evil, whatever his motivations actually were. We know that in the end he used some sort of black magic to consume the emperor's soul so he could become a demigod and rule Cantha.
Jadzaea
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Originally Posted by beleg curudin
I have a great story to place in the gaps of this.
the old 200 year ago emperior had descovered a way to live forever, his body would be preserved against age by stealing the life force of the ones he kills, but his body is already quite old, and so he unearths a spell that will let him take the body of one who kills him. So he find the strongest warrior in the land and hires a peasent to pretend to be a fortune teller and reel shiro in. The emperiors plan goes right. He says the incantation just as Shiro strikes him down, The soul of the Emperior leaves his body and consumes Shiro's soul. From there the Luxons and kurzicks that were on the island attack, so The now Emperior starts his body preservation spell and kills anyone that comes near, but he has underestimated the warriors and is quickly struck down, and when he dies the spell of presurvation he was charging explodes into what was known as the Jade wind, preserving the majority of Cantha, in the state it was in. The end result, the emperiors Soul having consumed Shiro's has taken its appearance, and the great warrior Shiro was to be given the great Honor of being inducted as a Envoy upon his death, the Emperior uses this as his advantage and works toward his goal of regaining his body, and beginning his spell of preservation anew. His spirit connection between the new emperior and himself is do to the new emperior being one of his decendants. Which is a requirement for his reincarnation spell, he must use the blood of his body, but since his body is long gone, a decendants is the next best thing. He is reborn, and is soon defeated by the heros, but Suun is wise and knows that the preservation spell would unleash another jade wind so the students seal him in jade to prevent it. Being reborn his life had begun with a clean slate which he choice for evil, so he was not gifted a envoy position and thus was sent to the UW. |
Kuna
Slightly off-topic, but it seems to me that Shiro's "special place in The Underworld" is a refference to Kronos being cut into a thousand pieces and being thrown into Tartarus. Except that Shiro would get a different punishment; Kronos was cut up because he was immortal, so they needed to make him unable to fight back...
I rambled a little, didn't I? =P
I rambled a little, didn't I? =P
eightyfour-onesevenfive
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Although I do think the Envoys are a bit foggy. They don't seem quite... kosher... I mean none of them look like really nice people, ...
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The envoys are spiritual beings that guide the dead on their way to the afterlive. As such, they should be beyond the concept of "good and evil". Very much like the classical figure of Death himself. He doesn't seem like a "nice person" either, does he? He doesn't care if someone was good or bad, if someone's time has come, he will take his life. Absolutely neutral.
Shiro is upsetting the order of things by abusing his position as an envoy (he clearly isn't beyond good or evil *). That's why the envoys have to intervene themselves.
*Shiro is evil. Maybe he has not always been evil. Killing the fortune teller in a fit of rage may be passed as mental incapacity. I think that's what mondern day's laws would call it. One can argue whether it was justifyable to kill the old emporer and his entourage at the Harvest Ceremony as an pre-emptive strike ** (I don't think it was, but well, one can argue). Trying to come back from the afterlife, ok, nothing wrong with that per se. But turning random people all over the land into afflicted - that has nothing to do with getting his revenge at the ones who killed him, that is plainly evil.
**As for the reason why the emporer would want to kill Shiro: I always pictured that the emporer was afraid of Shiro for some reason. He may have had seconds thought about employing him as his bodyguard. After getting to know him closer, he may have noticed the spark of insanity in Shiro. He knew, he couldn't just send someone like Shiro away, as he would singlehandedly take on the whole palace guard. So he planned to kill him. Also keep in mind that Shiro isn't the only one who may consult fortune tellers. The emperor may have known that Shiro was going to kill him and may have planned an pre-emptive strike himself (oh the horrors of paradoxon!). But that, of course, is all purely speculative.
Andy_M
Shiro was a tool, just like our characters. However, he was also a raving wibblehead with a face not even his mother could love. What is inferred is that he is incredibly susceptible to suggestion - even from a fortune teller without a unique model..
Markaedw
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**As for the reason why the emporer would want to kill Shiro: I always pictured that the emporer was afraid of Shiro for some reason. He may have had seconds thought about employing him as his bodyguard. After getting to know him closer, he may have noticed the spark of insanity in Shiro. He knew, he couldn't just send someone like Shiro away, as he would singlehandedly take on the whole palace guard. So he planned to kill him. Also keep in mind that Shiro isn't the only one who may consult fortune tellers. The emperor may have known that Shiro was going to kill him and may have planned an pre-emptive strike himself (oh the horrors of paradoxon!). But that, of course, is all purely speculative.
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I would posion his food, kill him in his sleep, get him drunk. If I did need to kill him durring the ceremony, I would have him brought in chains.
What I would not do is expect 4 rits to take him out.
The Emporer had no intention of killing him. More likely the Emporer's seer saw voilence at the ceremony and the Emperer, brought in his best guy to protect him.
some guy
According to Guildwiki, the FT is an extremely poor old woman, maybe she wants revenge against the emperor for making her live in poverty, when she say Shiro she acted out her plan?
Gairoh
I think the evil dude was the emperor instead of Shiro....This is my take on it:
Before he was the emperor's bodyguard,Shiro was defending peasants from bandit raids,which in my point of view is quite an honorable thing,dont u think? Risking his life,look at all those scars on his face,aint tht a sacrifice....
Then the emperor promoted him to be his personal body guard,saying how strong Shiro was and his skills should be put to better use instead of defending peasants.....What sort of emperor is tht?? Good emperors shud always think of his people before himself....but how could Shiro refuse,he is a loyal soldier after all....and it would give him great honor protecting the emperor...Mum and dad will be so Da*n proud...
At the harvest ceremony,the emperor told the guard to let him and the other 5 bodyguards in (including shiro),instead of usually him going alone ,he also speaks as if he had some kind of motive...with a very mysterious tone....it couldnt be a party for Shiro,and those girl are hired chicks for them both to enjoy?? I definitely think tht the emperor is gonna kill Shiro....and Shiro just acted out on self defence even if he striked first or based on assumption...C'mon,who wouldnt??!!... say if I'm a soldier,bloody loyal to the emperor,promoted as bodyguard,after a while the emperor says ok,u're screwed,pls jump off the walls and make sure u die,because he knows u are too powerful...WTH,i would fight back too....even if it's assuming....I wouldnt wanna wait around and see what happens.
I think tht may also play a part in Shiro being an Envoy,he was still somewhat honorable for his actions. His past deeds and maybe self defence? earn him a place as an envoy because he wasnt being able to go to the hall of heroes for killing the emperor.....Look at the envoys,they look creepy and from the looks of it,they died a gruesome death in battle or betrayal etc etc...And i bet they arent the nicest ppl around when they are alive....
Pls dont be offended by any of this,just my view on all this really...
Before he was the emperor's bodyguard,Shiro was defending peasants from bandit raids,which in my point of view is quite an honorable thing,dont u think? Risking his life,look at all those scars on his face,aint tht a sacrifice....
Then the emperor promoted him to be his personal body guard,saying how strong Shiro was and his skills should be put to better use instead of defending peasants.....What sort of emperor is tht?? Good emperors shud always think of his people before himself....but how could Shiro refuse,he is a loyal soldier after all....and it would give him great honor protecting the emperor...Mum and dad will be so Da*n proud...
At the harvest ceremony,the emperor told the guard to let him and the other 5 bodyguards in (including shiro),instead of usually him going alone ,he also speaks as if he had some kind of motive...with a very mysterious tone....it couldnt be a party for Shiro,and those girl are hired chicks for them both to enjoy?? I definitely think tht the emperor is gonna kill Shiro....and Shiro just acted out on self defence even if he striked first or based on assumption...C'mon,who wouldnt??!!... say if I'm a soldier,bloody loyal to the emperor,promoted as bodyguard,after a while the emperor says ok,u're screwed,pls jump off the walls and make sure u die,because he knows u are too powerful...WTH,i would fight back too....even if it's assuming....I wouldnt wanna wait around and see what happens.
I think tht may also play a part in Shiro being an Envoy,he was still somewhat honorable for his actions. His past deeds and maybe self defence? earn him a place as an envoy because he wasnt being able to go to the hall of heroes for killing the emperor.....Look at the envoys,they look creepy and from the looks of it,they died a gruesome death in battle or betrayal etc etc...And i bet they arent the nicest ppl around when they are alive....
Pls dont be offended by any of this,just my view on all this really...
Knightsaber Sith
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I think the evil dude was the emperor instead of Shiro....This is my take on it:
Before he was the emperor's bodyguard,Shiro was defending peasants from bandit raids,which in my point of view is quite an honorable thing,dont u think? Risking his life,look at all those scars on his face,aint tht a sacrifice.... Then the emperor promoted him to be his personal body guard,saying how strong Shiro was and his skills should be put to better use instead of defending peasants.....What sort of emperor is tht?? Good emperors shud always think of his people before himself....but how could Shiro refuse,he is a loyal soldier after all....and it would give him great honor protecting the emperor...Mum and dad will be so Da*n proud... At the harvest ceremony,the emperor told the guard to let him and the other 5 bodyguards in (including shiro),instead of usually him going alone ,he also speaks as if he had some kind of motive...with a very mysterious tone....it couldnt be a party for Shiro,and those girl are hired chicks for them both to enjoy?? I definitely think tht the emperor is gonna kill Shiro....and Shiro just acted out on self defence even if he striked first or based on assumption...C'mon,who wouldnt??!!... say if I'm a soldier,bloody loyal to the emperor,promoted as bodyguard,after a while the emperor says ok,u're screwed,pls jump off the walls and make sure u die,because he knows u are too powerful...WTH,i would fight back too....even if it's assuming....I wouldnt wanna wait around and see what happens. I think tht may also play a part in Shiro being an Envoy,he was still somewhat honorable for his actions. His past deeds and maybe self defence? earn him a place as an envoy because he wasnt being able to go to the hall of heroes for killing the emperor.....Look at the envoys,they look creepy and from the looks of it,they died a gruesome death in battle or betrayal etc etc...And i bet they arent the nicest ppl around when they are alive.... Pls dont be offended by any of this,just my view on all this really... |
Ninna
a "good" shiro wouldnt slay a fortune teller over some babble ...
EPO Bot
Still a bit weird: The Emperor had always done the ceremony on his own, but then,for some reason, he had to take Shiro and four ritualists with him.
Gairoh
Thts what i though....He already had the whole army with him at the ceremony,including the luxons and kurzicks....not to mention vizu was somewhere there too....Shiro could have just stayed behind with the rest of the army.....and even if the emperor insisted on taking someone,taking Shiro alone will be enough,but no....he had to take 4 more rits with him which makes him suspicious..and tht is what got him killed too in my opinion..and like what u said Knightsaber Sith,the emperor doesnt know anything about combat therefore he need someone else to do it for him....how about the seal Suun used to trap shiro's body,4 adepts-4 rits....??? maybe the emperor intended to do the same,just only tht Shiro acted first.....
My Sweet Revenga
For the cutscene where Shiro kills the fortune teller and then says "what have I done?", I totally expected the cutscene to continue with Shiro walking away. And then the dead fortune teller would stand up and morph into one of the envoys, chuckle and vanish. But personally I like Gairoh's take on the story better. Would have been even better if you ran into Shiro's spirit along the way to kill the old emporor in shiro's body. Meh, way too late to make any kind of changes like that I guess.
Lambentviper
would it actually be that the emperor was planning on him....and he knew that Shiro would find out, so he had Archemorous and Viktor on standby along with Vizu?
If Vizu was the emperor's guard...then why was she all the way down outside of the temple and a luxon and kurzick warrior were able to make it to the Emperor's aid before his own guard was? We even see her shadwstepping all the way up there because shes so far away.
Maybe Vizu was just puppeting the Emperor so that she could kill his new best bodyguard (Shiro) and the corrupt emperor at the same time....whilst attaining a city named after her and becoming a local legend.
Sounds like shes one tricky girl to me
If Vizu was the emperor's guard...then why was she all the way down outside of the temple and a luxon and kurzick warrior were able to make it to the Emperor's aid before his own guard was? We even see her shadwstepping all the way up there because shes so far away.
Maybe Vizu was just puppeting the Emperor so that she could kill his new best bodyguard (Shiro) and the corrupt emperor at the same time....whilst attaining a city named after her and becoming a local legend.
Sounds like shes one tricky girl to me
Mera Regila
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The point is he did it against the emperor's orders.
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Um, does being mad about something excuse murder? If you think that you've just condoned Columbine, the Holocaust, and the Armenian genocide.
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Again, that's not a normal human reaction. Shiro would have just asked the Emperor about it if he really was loyal to him.
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Sorry, but Shiro is evil, whatever his motivations actually were. We know that in the end he used some sort of black magic to consume the emperor's soul so he could become a demigod and rule Cantha.
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Lambentviper
Ok so those of you who have watched the video, know that the narrator says that "Evil, has returned"
So Shiro is evil. Easy as that. If ANet wrote up the false scripts and lied to us to make us buy the game, they are evil.
So Shiro is evil. Easy as that. If ANet wrote up the false scripts and lied to us to make us buy the game, they are evil.
Mera Regila
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Originally Posted by Lambentviper
Ok so those of you who have watched the video, know that the narrator says that "Evil, has returned"
So Shiro is evil. Easy as that. If ANet wrote up the false scripts and lied to us to make us buy the game, they are evil. |
KESKI
This post is getting funny
I wonder where are all those "Emperor is the evil one" or "Fortune teller is evil" theory's facts??
If you find the prove for Shiro been evil is not strong enough, where did you guys get all this Emperor and the Fortune teller been evil??
Bad mouthing the victim's life to defend one's virtue without proves??
However, do we have enough evidence to say Shiro is evil when he was alive??
No, not realy, sure he did a lot of killing, but those are their life style back then, I am sure Prince Rurik did his share of bandit killing(so do we). Clearly Gods in gw dont give a damn about that However killing the Fortune teller and the Emperor is not justify, since Shiro end up an envy, not send to HoH as all hero should. Of course, he wasnt send to the worest part of uw either, so I assume he did do some good when he was alive and kicking
Is Shiro evil 200 years later??
Of course he is, what kind of good envy turn lives to afflicted, terrorize the land, dirt the good dragon, and kill me once??
However Shiro's evil is not so bad compare to the lich king.
For Shiro, its like
"This is me, and this is my armies, defeat us and you win, lose you will all join me."
For the Lich King
"Um...my armies suck(lv 13 undead armies) and the murrsat is guarding soul stone, so I cant use my trump card(titans) to terrorize the land. Ah, I know, I will use this group of know nothing heros to kick murrsat's ass and when they are both tired I will give them both a good kick in the balls"
see~ Lich King just pow Shiro in evilness.
Poor Shiro, doesnt matter how he tried, he cant be the best in the hero or the villain.
Over all, A-Net just did a crapy job on story telling in both GW They give us a big story yet not many detail for players to truly understand and get into the story.
I wonder where are all those "Emperor is the evil one" or "Fortune teller is evil" theory's facts??
If you find the prove for Shiro been evil is not strong enough, where did you guys get all this Emperor and the Fortune teller been evil??
Bad mouthing the victim's life to defend one's virtue without proves??
However, do we have enough evidence to say Shiro is evil when he was alive??
No, not realy, sure he did a lot of killing, but those are their life style back then, I am sure Prince Rurik did his share of bandit killing(so do we). Clearly Gods in gw dont give a damn about that
Is Shiro evil 200 years later??
Of course he is, what kind of good envy turn lives to afflicted, terrorize the land, dirt the good dragon, and kill me once??
However Shiro's evil is not so bad compare to the lich king.
For Shiro, its like
"This is me, and this is my armies, defeat us and you win, lose you will all join me."
For the Lich King
"Um...my armies suck(lv 13 undead armies) and the murrsat is guarding soul stone, so I cant use my trump card(titans) to terrorize the land. Ah, I know, I will use this group of know nothing heros to kick murrsat's ass and when they are both tired I will give them both a good kick in the balls"
see~ Lich King just pow Shiro in evilness.
Poor Shiro, doesnt matter how he tried, he cant be the best in the hero or the villain.
Over all, A-Net just did a crapy job on story telling in both GW
They give us a big story yet not many detail for players to truly understand and get into the story.
Artisan
It seems to me that Shiro is supposed to be a tragic hero, but they didn't really pull it off very well. The difference between Prophecies and Factions was the depth of the story and the characters. In prophecies, many of the characters had different levels and facets to their personalities and motives. There's a hint of that in Shiro, but he's just too one-dimensional. The storyline in Factions just wasn't all that good, not nearly as good as Prophecies anyway. On the other hand, the early buzz for Nightfall suggests a better storyline, or so I hope at least.