Gratz on getting the account back.
Its kind of annoying, but it looks like that in towns we have to take the silly way to get to NPCs just so they dont think we are botting.
Also, to the Devs/reps if you read this, of course we are going to move automated at times, you have built into the game a feature which allows us to move to an NPC just by tapping space bar!
A warning.
mega_jamie
Coverticus
It would be interesting to know what exactly they saw you doing that warranted the ban - although going into detail would not be beneficial as bot creators would know what to be looking for (as posted in this earlier).
Being a software developer myself, it is extremely difficult to a.) spot misuse of a system and b.) prove how/what an individual has managed to misuse. And of course the game sits within Windows (just a few holes.....) which makes life even trickier!!
So (I know it sounds harsh) but give ANet some credit for trying to clean their game up. Yes, they could indeed work on how they go about doing their bans (e.g. 1st warning, final warning, ban) but again, that is a sticky subject that is not going to please everybody.
Being a software developer myself, it is extremely difficult to a.) spot misuse of a system and b.) prove how/what an individual has managed to misuse. And of course the game sits within Windows (just a few holes.....) which makes life even trickier!!
So (I know it sounds harsh) but give ANet some credit for trying to clean their game up. Yes, they could indeed work on how they go about doing their bans (e.g. 1st warning, final warning, ban) but again, that is a sticky subject that is not going to please everybody.
Eviance
Grats on getting your account back man.... Anyone who tries that hard to get their account back is in my eyes obviously not a farming bot (otherwise you could just afford a new account right?).
Anyways after the huge banning stick came down where about 25% of the patrons on this board were banned, I take any ban that Anet puts out there with a grain of salt. Mistakes are made and still being made at random. When I farm I also do the same thing over and over, but I do it at my keyboard where I sit spamming my skills and fighting unholy monsters of dewm - but yes my way of farming could be bot like and I could likely get banned just the same.
(Also just so you know, standing afk for long periods of time is also bot like.... >_<)
Get all the info you can out of them, and I would report whatever that one program was that you stated before. It might have been as simple as that, but it sounds more like you were running in the same paterns in the same town over and over which got you the ban stick. Even with your account unbanned it still puts you in line for another mistaken bot thing in which they already said: Hey, we catch you again and its permaban for you my friend!
So if I were you, I would do everything I could right now to clear that up and prove them wrong, because when they make the same mistake again you wont be so lucky.
Good luck hun!
Anyways after the huge banning stick came down where about 25% of the patrons on this board were banned, I take any ban that Anet puts out there with a grain of salt. Mistakes are made and still being made at random. When I farm I also do the same thing over and over, but I do it at my keyboard where I sit spamming my skills and fighting unholy monsters of dewm - but yes my way of farming could be bot like and I could likely get banned just the same.
(Also just so you know, standing afk for long periods of time is also bot like.... >_<)
Get all the info you can out of them, and I would report whatever that one program was that you stated before. It might have been as simple as that, but it sounds more like you were running in the same paterns in the same town over and over which got you the ban stick. Even with your account unbanned it still puts you in line for another mistaken bot thing in which they already said: Hey, we catch you again and its permaban for you my friend!
So if I were you, I would do everything I could right now to clear that up and prove them wrong, because when they make the same mistake again you wont be so lucky.
Good luck hun!
Hockster
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i have said this a few times: Anet are a nerfing bunch of geeks that have carrots up their asses and they cant do their job properly.
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Mordakai
It's funny, I see posts saying "Look at the bots in ____, Anet do something please!"
But if they ban an innocent, Anet is the enemy.
I guess this thread is evidence of two things:
No one is perfect.
Anet is trying to stop bots.
But if they ban an innocent, Anet is the enemy.
I guess this thread is evidence of two things:
No one is perfect.
Anet is trying to stop bots.
ChildeOfMalkav
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Seriously, I'm getting sick of ANET's ban policy. How many times have we seen this where people are wrongly banned? And this isnt even including that mass banning fiasco.
This is ridiculous. I'm all for getting rid of bots but not at the expense of banning innocent people. I'd much rather live with bots than get banned, thank you.
madman420
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Sometimes the people who use that kind of scripting don't even realize what they're doing. I saw a person yesterday who, every two seconds, wrote a line of lyrics from a Mars Volta song. I'm a fast typist, but I'd bet good money that person was using some sort of software to enter the text, basically cut & pasting. I'm pretty sure he didn't think he was cheating. |
Alias_X
Didn't you already give the results of your virus scan, and there WAS a program that was fishy there. Minimizes windows? Sounds like it might have interacted with GW.
EdiT:
As soon as you get your account back you want this thread closed? If there is as much of an issue with bans as you suggest, this definitely needs a response from Anet.
EdiT:
As soon as you get your account back you want this thread closed? If there is as much of an issue with bans as you suggest, this definitely needs a response from Anet.
Sir Skullcrasher
anyone think there is a undercover mod in-game watching peoples doing different things? I know they have logs of all the transaction and online activities but what about in-game mods to see how things work.
Eviance
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It's funny, I see posts saying "Look at the bots in ____, Anet do something please!"
But if they ban an innocent, Anet is the enemy. I guess this thread is evidence of two things: No one is perfect. Anet is trying to stop bots. |
Later they came back to say: OOPS! Yeah we MIGHT have made a mistake so email us and we will check into it.
.... Bots are usually quite obvious and all it takes is sitting in one of the certain places they tend to frequent and watch them come and go and come and go and after about 3-5times and their bumping into walls is the same as it was each and every time and its always the same district and so forth, then you can almost guarantee that its a bot. Bots are pretty much self-evident.
Like I said, I commend them on their banning bots, but I seriously doubt that you will ever see a bot farmer come posting and complaining. Especially if they are farming for the sole purpose of ebaying the gold. They more than likely have enough money to go out and buy a new account and start the whole process over if they don't already have 4 backup accounts doing the same thing. (This is when you see several of those mo/w going in and out and running the exact same course every single time and they are all different monks, just running on the same course!)
So in the end, while I am sure that most of the bans that occur are legitimate, there are probably more than a few that aren't and Anet needs to be certain before shaking their ban stick.
Count to Potato
Some people who play for 3 hours straight farming, or such, will get into what i say a "robot" mode and become automatic in their selling buying and movements
Silver_Fang
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I trust Anet more than I trust you. Any botter could post a compelling story such as the one you posted and hope for an unban.
On the login page, there is a WARNING about Third Party Programs, and as your virus scan picked up, you had a program that would qualify. You should have known to turn off that program. |
There exists of result, and such results can be false positive.
Mrscoombes
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WTS: Chaos Axe (1) WTS: Chaos Axe (2) WTS: Chaos Axe (3) ... WTS: Chaos Axe (50) I don't know how they do it but they seem to get past the game's spam blocker by doing this. Is this perhaps a BOT or an illegal program? |
Bob is getting annoyed at the economy in general. He types 'F U. U R ALL GHEY.' and presses enter. He then presses enter, up arrow, enter again and again. The spam filter notices his rapid unchanging message and simply zips his mouth. Spam filter does not notice the message being spammed, but each message is different from the last. Must just be someone who can type fast, having a conversation. But actually it's someone mega-spamming their sales message by escalating the number on the end each time. Atleast I think that's how it works
MooseyFate
The scariest part of this to me is their final reply. In so many words they are saying they ASSUMED you were using another program. And they are saying that the play style of a person can get them banned. Yeah, there are solutions to both those issues, but the fact that it exists is frightening.
And about believing Wilderness about being unjustly banned, it doesn't matter. Until it happens to you personally, you'll never know for sure. And about a roomate having access to your computer, I have friends that I could trust 100%. Not 99.9999999%, but 100%. These are friends that can email and surf the net. They could simply care less about the computer, and wouldn't know how to do anything. If it was a friend who could log into my GW account, then I could only say 99.999999% at max. Sure they could go to an bad internet site and download something without knowing it, but so could I, so that doesn't count.
I stay strongly of the opinion, that banning one account accidently isn't worth it, even at the cost of destroying the in game economy. But I'm a player who buys and sells from merchants almost exclusively. So just put a min and max for dynamic prices (I've noticed only a min sell price), and only ban if your 100% positive.
And about believing Wilderness about being unjustly banned, it doesn't matter. Until it happens to you personally, you'll never know for sure. And about a roomate having access to your computer, I have friends that I could trust 100%. Not 99.9999999%, but 100%. These are friends that can email and surf the net. They could simply care less about the computer, and wouldn't know how to do anything. If it was a friend who could log into my GW account, then I could only say 99.999999% at max. Sure they could go to an bad internet site and download something without knowing it, but so could I, so that doesn't count.
I stay strongly of the opinion, that banning one account accidently isn't worth it, even at the cost of destroying the in game economy. But I'm a player who buys and sells from merchants almost exclusively. So just put a min and max for dynamic prices (I've noticed only a min sell price), and only ban if your 100% positive.
ChildeOfMalkav
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It's funny, I see posts saying "Look at the bots in ____, Anet do something please!"
But if they ban an innocent, Anet is the enemy. I guess this thread is evidence of two things: No one is perfect. Anet is trying to stop bots. |
2) People who rightfully criticizing ANET are NOT necessarily the same people who call for a ban to bots.
So your "evidence" is crap.
cosyfiep
As another recently unemployeed farming person.....I am scared that my account will get banned, even though I have done nothing wrong....I just play for many (too many) hours a day.....and reading stories like this makes me even more worried.....I will play my un-farming characters more now. and join pugs, lots of pugs.........maybe create an assasin and go and get killed a bunch of times....yeah, thats it......
Glad you got your account back!
Glad you got your account back!
Fist_of_God
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1) People are asking ANET to ban bots NOT innocent people.
2) People who rightfully criticizing ANET are NOT necessarily the same people who call for a ban to bots. So your "evidence" is crap. |
a) Anet is trying to ban bots
b) Anet is not perfect.
Seems like he was right on the money to me.
Silver_Fang
People always ask for perfection from someone else when they are not perfect themselves and perfection doesn't exist in the real world.
Anyway, we don't know what is the method being use to detect 3rd Party program. And from the replied he got, what does witnessed means? A-Net shouldnt ban anyone just from 'witnessed'. They should do more evaluation or analysis before banning anyone so hard. A simple whisper might do(but i dont agree to use whisper because i always ignore whisper and its hard to notice a whisper while you are farming)
Anyway, we don't know what is the method being use to detect 3rd Party program. And from the replied he got, what does witnessed means? A-Net shouldnt ban anyone just from 'witnessed'. They should do more evaluation or analysis before banning anyone so hard. A simple whisper might do(but i dont agree to use whisper because i always ignore whisper and its hard to notice a whisper while you are farming)
Y.T.
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I just recieved this message
I'd urge all of you to be carfeul when trading or farming as it seems anything resembling automated behavior can result in your account being banned. Thank you all for your help. |
Griff Mon
I farm a lot as well, but rotate almost constantly between three places I like to go rather than going in and out of the same town again and again.
You would think that if an Anet person is observing your actions that there would be something beyond just watching you and deciding you are a bot.
Trying to talk to you, identifying themselves as an in-game moderator, and attempting to have a "non-bot" conversation with you would be a good way to help make that decision.
You would think that if an Anet person is observing your actions that there would be something beyond just watching you and deciding you are a bot.
Trying to talk to you, identifying themselves as an in-game moderator, and attempting to have a "non-bot" conversation with you would be a good way to help make that decision.
ChildeOfMalkav
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Evidence? He made two observations that are correct:
a) Anet is trying to ban bots b) Anet is not perfect. Seems like he was right on the money to me. |
I wasnt disputing his conclusions that you listed above, I was disputing the so called evidence he was using to back them up.
Silver_Fang
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I farm a lot as well, but rotate almost constantly between three places I like to go rather than going in and out of the same town again and again.
You would think that if an Anet person is observing your actions that there would be something beyond just watching you and deciding you are a bot. Trying to talk to you, identifying themselves as an in-game moderator, and attempting to have a "non-bot" conversation with you would be a good way to help make that decision. |
The Trout
what i find funny about this is that my friend wrote a bot for farming uw with an orders necro so he could get drops while he writes essays for his summer engish class at umass. he has yet to be banned.
Apache_Planeswalker
When I'm out farming, I say things to myself for this exact reason.
Test farming on Trolls, I get a few collectables, I shout "YAY some worthless junk". Remod my build, test again, say something different like "Wahoo a purple >.<"
As long as I use different smileys in the messages, there is no way im using a bot program. Not sure if this will give it away that I obviously am not a bot, but I do it just incase.
Test farming on Trolls, I get a few collectables, I shout "YAY some worthless junk". Remod my build, test again, say something different like "Wahoo a purple >.<"
As long as I use different smileys in the messages, there is no way im using a bot program. Not sure if this will give it away that I obviously am not a bot, but I do it just incase.
EagleEye33
Well at least the OP gt his account back. I think i'll have to bare careful now as before I couldnt spam for anything, but now it lets me shell out a second or third fast. I think i'll stop now though. 
I hope that would never happen to me though, ive been good! 
I hope that would never happen to me though, ive been good! 
IrishCatholicNewYorker
from now on when i farm i'll dance or do something odd at different places. You situation really scares me I love this game and don't break any rules but now im afraid of anet taking my account. Why can't A-Net just focus on scammers and leechers not everyone else (that would be nice)
majoho
Not for the OP, but for other people that are scared of Anet.
I don't know how people can say they farm "a little" and then get the antifarming text - sometimes I farm for a whole day and I never ever got that message yet!
I assume people getting that message are doing super short runs repeatedly, like 2-3 mins or so?
Anyway if you exhibit bot like behaviour I don't see why some people are surprised that they might actually raise suspision about them being bots.
Grats to the OP and nice to see that it does make a point to plead your cause.
I don't know how people can say they farm "a little" and then get the antifarming text - sometimes I farm for a whole day and I never ever got that message yet!
I assume people getting that message are doing super short runs repeatedly, like 2-3 mins or so?
Anyway if you exhibit bot like behaviour I don't see why some people are surprised that they might actually raise suspision about them being bots.
Grats to the OP and nice to see that it does make a point to plead your cause.
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Why can't A-Net just focus on scammers and leechers not everyone else (that would be nice)
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We still don't know the exact reason behind the ban, so I'm not going to say they did anything wrong just yet.
ChildeOfMalkav
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Because then we'd get idiots complaining about "OMG I GOT BANT FOR SCAMMING BUT I DIDNT REALLY HONEST TO MOM". Same difference.
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Caethas Turan
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Not for the OP, but for other people that are scared of Anet.
I don't know how people can say they farm "a little" and then get the antifarming text - sometimes I farm for a whole day and I never ever got that message yet! I assume people getting that message are doing super short runs repeatedly, like 2-3 mins or so? Anyway if you exhibit bot like behaviour I don't see why some people are surprised that they might actually raise suspision about them being bots. Grats to the OP and nice to see that it does make a point to plead your cause. |
But just a question on the anti farm message, does it always pop up? I actually didn't know you got one.
Shaznat
There is no message. The text he is referring to is a code that is employed after a person farms for a certain amount of time without doing other activities such as PvP or missions. And to the OP, I'm glad you got your account back, and glad you shared how you were able to get it back.
EDIT: From the post below me, apparently there is an actual message. I wasn't aware of this...
EDIT: From the post below me, apparently there is an actual message. I wasn't aware of this...
Loviatar
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Glad the OP got his account back.
But just a question on the anti farm message, does it always pop up? I actually didn't know you got one. |
i was after exp and there were those 4 mergoyles right against the zone so i simply killed them and kept rezoneing til i finally got the bot message but by that time i was just leaving the drops on the ground anyway.
5 minutes later the 2nd message pops up saying drops will stop but since the exp kept coming who cares.
the point is you have to really act like a bot for a long time to trigger it
Horseman Of War
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When I'm out farming, I say things to myself for this exact reason.
Test farming on Trolls, I get a few collectables, I shout "YAY some worthless junk". Remod my build, test again, say something different like "Wahoo a purple >.<" As long as I use different smileys in the messages, there is no way im using a bot program. Not sure if this will give it away that I obviously am not a bot, but I do it just incase. |
im very paranoid, and I dont even solo farm (hell i cant get my head out of zos chrivos long enough to do anything profitable!!)
I used to do this to get new members:
(insert common 'join my guild' type text here) copy, paste
switch up a district
paste
switch up
paste
switch up
paste
etc etc until i drop in on every town/district in shing jea area
Now I dont even copy and paste anymore. Hell, Ive given up on recruiting til nightfall is here.
Caethas Turan
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it pops up (BOTH OF THEM) but you have to really work to get them.
i was after exp and there were those 4 mergoyles right against the zone so i simply killed them and kept rezoneing til i finally got the bot message but by that time i was just leaving the drops on the ground anyway. 5 minutes later the 2nd message pops up saying drops will stop but since the exp kept coming who cares. the point is you have to really act like a bot for a long time to trigger it |
Least I think I haven't got those, but I know to stop farming and do a mission, bonus or something before going back again.
Oh and I was one of those poor people who got their account banned back when the dragon thing happened. Worst day of my life. -sighs-
But Anet were reasonable and unbanned me and those who were banned when they didn't do anything wrong. (Sorry sentence structure isn't the greatest for me today.)
Thallandor
To the OP, gratz on getting your account back, i have 2069 hours on my account so i hear your pain.
But if someone was watching, i wonder if they saw what i have been doing with the Xunlai Storage agent in the guild hall while no one was watching....or so i though :P
But if someone was watching, i wonder if they saw what i have been doing with the Xunlai Storage agent in the guild hall while no one was watching....or so i though :P
unienaule
Well, he did ask for this to be closed, and after reading the next couple of pages, I see why. It appears that ANet really tries hard to eliminate botters, but as I learned in a book on logic, no matter what kind of filter you use, there will be situations where either a bot appears to be human, or a human appears to be a bot. It's ANet's job to decide which side of the line they are going to err on, and hopefully they'll listen to us about it (*cough*dragon festival random bans*cough*). I'll leave this thread open, but guys, try not to flame each other about how you think ANet bans people, since nobody really knows.
lacasner
Innocent until proven guilty is the way to go, at least for these bot bannings.
Alias_X
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Lol, most ignorant post even after somebody already point out THAT is not a virus nor spyware. According to your logic, Even Windows OS is a consider a Third party Program and anyone using Windows OS while playing GW should be banned, anyone that running IE, FF, Opera, TB, Outlook should be ban because of Third Party Program. When a scanner software pick up anything, you should not trust it 100% and you should ask any technician you know or search it on the internet.
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So instead of assuming Anet must have made a mistake, lets take the more likely course which is that Anet thought this program was some sort of farming bot, and possibly that combined with botlike actions was enough to get him banned.
The program we are talking about is a program that interacts with application windows. Minimizing or hiding them, etc. Doesn't it seem like it MIGHT have interacted with GW?
And you are ABSOLUTELY wrong. According to my logic Windows, IE, Firefox, Opera could NOT be considered third party bot programs because they DONT interact with GW, and they DONT get picked up in Norton Antivirus scans.
--Thanks for flaming me, but I think your post was the most ignorant.
RuPee
wow this has really started to be a problem. all these accidental bannings are starting to get to me.
and the mention of in game moderators watching me if they even suspect something really scares the shi* out of me. without my consent someone could be watching everything i say or do. so i guess this whole thread is a warning. be careful what u say or do.
Big Brother is watching... (1984 anyone?)
and the mention of in game moderators watching me if they even suspect something really scares the shi* out of me. without my consent someone could be watching everything i say or do. so i guess this whole thread is a warning. be careful what u say or do.
Big Brother is watching... (1984 anyone?)
Solar Light
Lol.... When you can figure out a way to run GW without a OS, then you can claim Windows does not interact with GW
1. Windows OS is a thirdy party in relation to GW
2.Windows interacts with Gw
so dont argue about this silly point.
1. Windows OS is a thirdy party in relation to GW
2.Windows interacts with Gw
so dont argue about this silly point.