Will nightfall offer enough stuff to entertain us?

Gigashadow

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

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Been playing since a few months after the release of Prophecies.

As far as I'm concerned, GW is the best game ever. Although I'm mainly PvP oriented, I've had a lot of fun with the PvE also (mainly henching everything - I like that I can just hop on and not have to do the whole "LFG" thing. Sometimes I group for fun though.).

I enjoyed the Prophecies storyline a LOT more. Didn't care for the Factions storyline at all, and the voice acting was terrible. I did like the PvP introduced with Factions though, Fort Aspenwood is a lot of fun.

For the 2 campaigns (~$80?) I really got my money's worth -over a year of entertainment.

Darkest Dawn

Darkest Dawn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio, USA

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
You're conflating three issues here.

1) Will the PvE be good? Yes, it most likely will.

2) Will the PvP'ers be happy with it? No, they wont. They never, ever are. They bitch & complain about the PvE as a matter of principle.

3) Do people eventually tire of a game? Yes, they do. People tire of WoW, people tire of Oblivion, people tire of Counterstrike, and yes, people tire of GW. Eventually they will all die. And be replaced by something new.
QFT

As A PvEer I didn't even get factions and have been playing other games in the meantime. I am waiting with baited breath for a good PvE experience like I had with Prophesies. I will likely get Nightfall based upon those expectations.

In fact this may be smart marketing by switching between PvP oriented and PvE. This way you can buy every other one as you like without going for the ones that are not your style. Yet those who love both can get all.

If bored, then play WOW or something until the next chapter comes out. I like mixing up the different MMOs anyway as they all have some good and some bad.

Darkest Dawn

Darkest Dawn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio, USA

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
this is something i simply can not understand at all.

i would have been long gone without forcing myself to play something no longer fun to play.

in your position i would have simply decided Factions sucks , put it aside and waited to see how Nightfall turned out.

whilt taking a break from Factions i would have been playing another game/reading/garden/ham radio (tech class)/go outside/visit friends/etc.

how someone can be sick of a game and not have anything better to do than to force themselves to play while being bitter on a fan site i cant comprehend
I agree with you. I'm only quoting you to answer the question of why some played Faction while not enjoying it.

Two reasons come to mind.

1. Loyalty. People were/are loyal to the game since they loved Prophesies.

2. Some didn't know what they were buying. Not to answer why, just stating the facts. Thus already having it they decided they will play it since they spent the $$$


I personally, did as you said was a good move... I moved on to other games, but have been poking around waiting for each chapter to decide if it is one I'll want to get. This Nightfall looks real good to me. Factions didn't. That's ok, hey they are mixing it up to try to reach out to differing playstyles. I get it.

Inthast

Inthast

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Beguine Guild

R/Me

<--------been playing GW since release and enjoyed Prophecies, but haven't had a very good experience in Factions. That's because I like PvE.
So - what have I been doing while waiting for Nightfall?
1) Playing Prophecies
2) Playing Baldur's Gate2
3) Playing City of Heroes
4) Looking forward to a reinvigorated PvE experience in Nightfall

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

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Originally Posted by Darkest Dawn
I agree with you. I'm only quoting you to answer the question of why some played Faction while not enjoying it.

Two reasons come to mind.

1. Loyalty. People were/are loyal to the game since they loved Prophesies.
actually i got very little from Factions but i got so much from chapter one i have said (several times) that i will buy through chapter 4 to show support.

i dont play much in Cantha but still enjoy Tyria and my permanet presear vacation character.

Nightfall may be good enough so i will decide to show support through chapter 6 .

they dont have to be spectacular every time just now and then.

i can show support by buying it but if i dont find it fun my not playing it wont hurt that support i have already given by purchasing it

Quote:
2. Some didn't know what they were buying. Not to answer why, just stating the facts. Thus already having it they decided they will play it since they spent the $$$

i had several doubts about it but as i said i will show support for GW in the only real way i can.

after i found out that it wasnt that much fun i went back to what was fun and did not force myself to play it just because i bought it.

the money is spent so why add no fun time to the price?

hopefully Nightfall will make me forget Factions and *pass the buck* quest (which i never finished)

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
this is something i simply can not understand at all.

i would have been long gone without forcing myself to play something no longer fun to play.

in your position i would have simply decided Factions sucks , put it aside and waited to see how Nightfall turned out.

whilt taking a break from Factions i would have been playing another game/reading/garden/ham radio (tech class)/go outside/visit friends/etc.

how someone can be sick of a game and not have anything better to do than to force themselves to play while being bitter on a fan site i cant comprehend
In any normal circumstance i would agree with you but personally, my guild is the only reason for me to keep playing. While its easy to quit on a game, its not that simple to quit on friends.

shadow ranger

shadow ranger

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

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It depends, really.

I mean, yeah, theres gonna be 20+ missions in nightfall apparantly, ranging from 30mins to a few hours long (i read this on gamespy i think) which isnt bad compared to factions 14? which all have 20 - 30 min times to be done in realistically, if not less.

Theres also puzzles added to missions so the kill kill kill, dont pull the fat group mentality is toned down slightly, but it still really dosent change much.

The honest thing is, people are gonna use there characters they've had since prophecies with hundreds of skills unlocked and a maxed weapon for every flavor, blaze through the missions and complain there bored when its done.

I didnt mind factions, it didnt have the flair of prophecies, because that was epic lol, i started on the E3 for everyone and played every beta, and i swear just being able to keep my char and not have it wiped was probably a better feeling than finishing factions.

Nightfall has the potential to be good for the pve side trying new things and more content, and a new chapter is always interesting to the pvp side of gw to see how it evolves, except that nightfall weekend event. That was a nightmare. =.=

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

[QUOTE]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thallandor
In any normal circumstance i would agree with you but personally, my guild is the only reason for me to keep playing. While its easy to quit on a game, its not that simple to quit on friends.[/QUOTE]
absolutely a most valid reason

hopefully Nightfall will be worth putting up with Factions

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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Meh, I finished Factions today (after taking 2 months off!), and I must say, I was pretty happy with the end.

A free green, fireworks, credits rolling. I felt like I finished something.

Now, I'm going to finish getting Masters on all the missions, and take my warrior through. That said, I don't think I'll be taking a 3rd character through.

But still, for $50, I feel I got my money's worth. Which is why I have no problem with buying Nightfall...

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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Maybe its the game concept it self i suppose, since it is relatively easy to obtain what you want: low level of 20, cheap max armour, collectors weapons/armour are maxed, Greens if you want perfect mods. Not that i am complaining of course, but many things you need are in easy reach and the rest are just "wants" making there very little for a experienced PvE player who likes to play on a higher level of gaming thrill (not necessary PvP)... though i am doubtful if even Elite missions fit that bill since they are often frustrating more than anything else. Which was my point originally: I got frustrated while playing factions, its a game ffs, anyways i digress.

What i really liked was the mini games(snowball, rings and special events collectables)that came with the events and i felt it was a waste to remove them after the festival (maybe Anet didnt want the population to be distracted from the PvP scene or dont really want us to play 24/7 so we dont overload the system forcing them to upgrade, increasing cost) and the game could really do with abit more variety in terms of the amounts of things we can do for fun.

When speaking to a guildie lost to WoW, he would tell me that he has reached the highest level and joining guild raiding group for epic gear spanning for weeks and he still hasnt finished alot of the things he wanted and set out to do with hundreds of actives on their guild and vent servers at any one night, while i would tell him that i gotten Urgoz longbow and Kana's Edge but their stats are easy to replicate and i got all the armours i liked with pretty much nothing much else to do really but help others out. It sounded pretty pathetic seriously when we had the discussion and it pains me to no end since GW is a good game yet every nerve in my body tells me its the wrong one i am playing.

Darkest Dawn

Darkest Dawn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio, USA

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thallandor
In any normal circumstance i would agree with you but personally, my guild is the only reason for me to keep playing. While its easy to quit on a game, its not that simple to quit on friends.
A very valid reason I neglected to mention!

BTW WOW's graphics don't have squat on GW. That said, it is fun to have so much room to grow. If GW never wants to go past lvl 20... fine. Just make it hard to get 20, and up the loot/weapons and armor that you can get so the PvEers have something to go all out to get.

And One other thing... I would love to see larger battles 20 on 20 or more for a real slug fest, lol

Sam Stormwind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Dragon Knights

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Yeh i do get bored of Guildawars, however i feel with nightfalls this will change. I dont know why but i think Nightfall will be brilliant. More PvE based its gonna be quite different with a new continent and stuff. Factions was a big let down this is the cause of peoples boredom.

mazter

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Hellas

Achilles Dream

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the fact is that we need a more challenging-interesting-fun pve.
and i think that can be achieved by ..slow leveling,hard to get skills,hard to get green items,green items to be something special and not "perfect moded collectors items with a name",hard to get armor(maybe green?) that also will have something special,interesting quests with unique rewards.
its not that hard i think...

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mazter
the fact is that we need a more challenging-interesting-fun pve.
Agreed.

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Originally Posted by mazter
and i think that can be achieved by ..slow leveling,
No. Slow leveling does not equal fun in my book. Plus, I already have a bunch of level 20 characters...

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Originally Posted by mazter
hard to get skills,
Well, I don't like the "just buy every skill" system in Factions, so I would agree that having some challenge (quests) to get skills would be a nice option for those who are cheap bastards, and like doing quests. But making skills to hard to get would just be frustrating, not challenging (thin line, I know). Do you think Elites are too easy to get in Factions? (that could be a legit complaint)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mazter
hard to get green items,green items to be something special and not "perfect moded collectors items with a name",hard to get armor(maybe green?) that also will have something special,interesting quests with unique rewards.
its not that hard i think...
I was just thinking about Greens last night, after I beat Factions. I have the Dragoncrest Axe, a very nice axe, but not "unique". I agree, Greens should be truly unique, not just "perfect moded collectors with a name".

Then there is the absolute crap of the Shiro's Sword and Daggers... req 15?!? If you're gonna make a req 15 Item, it better do something really special... like maybe +1 attribute along with everything else. (and why 15 anyway? If you're going for high reqs, might as well go all the way to 16!)

Green armor: Interesting, but that could lead to imbalance. With Green weapons, you could make some Greens as good as a perfect rare Gold weapon, and it would not be unbalanced. In fact, it would make the game MORE balanced, because it would give us casual players a chance to have a weapon with that something extra some Golds provide.

With armor, there is nothing available that is "better" than the basic sets. So, to make a "special" Green armor would be difficult for Game balance, I believe.

mazter

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Hellas

Achilles Dream

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I think " game balance" its actually balance between pvp and pve.The skill based(and not item based,like wow) feature of the game is obviously there,so as to have a pvp where the best experience,strategy and skills wins(except vimiway :P).But what about pve?When the whole project started,it was something new for pretty much everybody.But now its obvious that pvp restrictions are keeping pve players from having a better time with the game.A new formulae must be found.And remember...its not difficult to get to the top.It's difficult to remain there

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mazter
I think " game balance" its actually balance between pvp and pve.The skill based(and not item based,like wow) feature of the game is obviously there,so as to have a pvp where the best experience,strategy and skills wins(except vimiway :P).But what about pve?When the whole project started,it was something new for pretty much everybody.But now its obvious that pvp restrictions are keeping pve players from having a better time with the game.A new formulae must be found.And remember...its not difficult to get to the top.It's difficult to remain there
So, what, disable your special Green armor in PvP? I guess that could work. Still, the minute you start making high end stuff actually better than anything else you can find in the game, I think you make the game less fun. Because, then it can become a grind to "keep up with the Joneses."

So, it's not just about PvE vs PvP. It's about the very foundation of what Guild Wars is about: Level caps, max armor, limit of 8 skills, etc. It's about limitations imposed in order to keep the game fun for new players, and players who only play once a week.

Keep things balanced, for the casual players sake.

Alex Weekes

Alex Weekes

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Brighton, UK

While I can't tell you much, I can tell you that Nightfall has a larger PvE experience than factions. This is due both to simple quantity (20 story missions, larger map etc) but also, I believe, in quality; things like more interactive environments (traps), the hero system etc will help enhance you experience while playing through the story.

UBS

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Earth

Mo/Me

Guild Wars.

The name is a givewaway.

GvG & PvP is the biggest feature of guild wars. No reason for people to stop playing. You can always PvP / GvG.

fatogreboy

fatogreboy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

vOiD

E/Me

Awesome. I for one have not yet gotten bored with the game. I have been playing for a year now, and I realize I dont play as much as some people, (me < 1000 hours) I still feel that I am very experienced in the game. I have taken 6 characters through prophecies and two through factions. While I agree that prophecies is much more fun, I still enjoyed factions.
I think the reason I enjoy prophecies more is because of the atmosphere. I just love the music and imagery in that game. Sometimes I go to a place in the game just because I haven't been there in a while. It really gives a different feeling for each place on the map.
I hope nightfall can bring this feeling back, as I didn't find factions to be impressive in the music or scenery department. The only place I found to be interesting in Factions was the Luxon cities.
I look forward to nightfall. I don't think I will be let down...

Omega X

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by UBS
Guild Wars.

The name is a givewaway.

GvG & PvP is the biggest feature of guild wars. No reason for people to stop playing. You can always PvP / GvG.
I knew that was coming.

The typical PvPer's response to everything.

TiNkLeR

TiNkLeR

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Weekes
While I can't tell you much, I can tell you that Nightfall has a larger PvE experience than factions. This is due both to simple quantity (20 story missions, larger map etc) but also, I believe, in quality; things like more interactive environments (traps), the hero system etc will help enhance you experience while playing through the story.
Im very glad that its PvE based.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Weekes
While I can't tell you much, I can tell you that Nightfall has a larger PvE experience than factions. This is due both to simple quantity (20 story missions, larger map etc) but also, I believe, in quality; things like more interactive environments (traps), the hero system etc will help enhance you experience while playing through the story.
Thanks Alex, I'm looking forward to it.

If you happen to read this, can solve a little riddle for me? I know that Guild Wars chapters are being made by two teams, and that there's about a year of development for each Chapter, but how did that work for Nightfall?

It's been 18 months since Prophecy, did this team work for the whole 18 months on Nightfall? Did they do the Sorrow's Furnace and other updates for Prophecy? Or, did they just get some time off

Not really that important, just curious.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordakai

It's been 18 months since Prophecy, did this team work for the whole 18 months on Nightfall? Did they do the Sorrow's Furnace and other updates for Prophecy? Or, did they just get some time off

Not really that important, just curious.
there was an interview (and other posts) stating Nightfall started 6 month after release of GW ( October of 05) giving the end of October 06 the 1 year mark on it

Cynn Evennia

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

E/Mo

Will nightfall offer enough stuff to entertain us?

YES! It promises, at least theoretically, to be the best PvE experience in Guild Wars world.

This is the description of Nightfall in http://www.gameplay.co.uk/

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Originally Posted by Gameplay

Guild Wars Nightfall

When a corrupt ruler summons the power of an outcast god, it will take a band of heroes to save Elona from the creeping darkness infecting the land. In this third campaign in the award-winning Guild Wars® universe, Guild Wars Nightfall is an intimate, heroic experience that will enrapture new and existing players alike!

Every Hero has a unique tale to tell. Player actions will result in dramatic consequences. Your party becomes an extension of your character. This is Guild Wars like you've never seen before.

Features:

Customizable Heroes (party NPCs) that level up with the player; follow player instructions in combat, and use armor, weapons, and skills at the player's discretion.

A new game type, Hero vs. Hero Battles will allow a single player to participate in PvP with Hero NPCs.

2 new professions: The Dervish, a scythe-wielding holy warrior, and the Paragon, chosen by the gods as guardian angels of the Elonian people.

4 new guild halls.

300 new skills.

250 Quests, 55 explorable areas, 20 new Story Missions exclusive to choices made throughout the game, and 3 new Challenge Missions.

Peerless online RPG action with no monthly fees!
Nightfall is a new stand alone campaign - there is no need to buy the 2 previous campaigns to play.

As for Factions, this new world will be connected to Tyria and Cantha and players (who already own GW prophecies and/or Factions) will be able to bring their high level characters from other campaigns to this new part of the GW world; Elona.
I was just crying of happines when a guildie pointed out a crucial issue: 20 new Story Missions exclusive to choices made throughout the game. Does it mean that you cannot do all 20 but just the ones according to your choices? Oh oh i dont like to have the number of PvE missions reduced to the size of Factions (ie 13).

Please give me 20 missions!

Darkest Dawn

Darkest Dawn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio, USA

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega X
I knew that was coming.

The typical PvPer's response to everything.
QFT

GW is trying to appeal to both bases.

BTW - Thanks Alex for the post. I am looking forward to Nightfall. It looks to be a big hit to us PvEers!

silvershock

silvershock

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Netherlands

Red Lightning Brigade

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thallandor
In any normal circumstance i would agree with you but personally, my guild is the only reason for me to keep playing. While its easy to quit on a game, its not that simple to quit on friends.
I like my officers a lot, but don't you people have REAL LIFE FRIENDS, i mean: FRIENDS, not people you know in a mmorpg? I'm not saying i would quit on my guild n leave my officers to rot, but when i feel like quitting, I'll find a solution(give an officer leadership and return to play once in a while) and go do something that doesnt bore me.

I laughed my guts out when u said ur don't wanna quit on your friends. If they are your friends, you got their email. You can stay in touch.

If they r just plain guild wars palls, why feel guilty?

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

valid point ^^^

at the end of the day they will forget you soon enough, i wouldnt hesitate to leave again if i felt like it.

tejano2828

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

daoinesidhe

W/Mo

I have been playing Guild Wars for about a year now since it first came out when I was overseas, I played it constantly every night even played some missions that were very kool over and over again, now that I'm back in the

states I play less.....here are some of my reasons.....I figured by now GW would of evolved into something more, instead of the same stuff, for example...why can't we ride dragons yet, or horses, or for that matter any

animal at all, fly a griffon around, get on boats, OR the worst get into taverns, none of the doors work that is frustrating, why can't you go into a tavern sit down and have some ale while you trade or just talk, too me this is

unacceptable, some other annoying things are when you can't jump a little bump because of the graphics, geez you can't even climb down a little hill, comeon, they should learn from oblivion, theres not enough options for your

character either, what we cant grow ur cut our hair, gain weight, change our skin color, eye color.....this game bores me, I plan to buy nightfall only because i want to have the whole collection but if GW wants to keep there fanbase big, they have to be diverse and change there game A LOT i would

say that factions changed like only 10% more than Prophecies, thats not enough AN not enough at all....and here's my last one, what is up with not seeing anyone still but your team, make the world bigger and grander so that we can see everyone, if your worried about more people getting together and

beating the game outside of the cities then make it harder...right now AN thinks they have the marker cornered because of there free gameplay online but if D&D gets larger and better, I wouldnt hesitate to go to D&D and pay

for a better game in no time.....out

tejano2828

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

daoinesidhe

W/Mo

I have been playing Guild Wars for about a year now since it first came out when I was overseas, I played it constantly every night even played some missions that were very kool over and over again, now that I'm back in the

states I play less.....here are some of my reasons.....I figured by now GW would of evolved into something more, instead of the same stuff, for example...why can't we ride dragons yet, or horses, or for that matter any

animal at all, fly a griffon around, get on boats, OR the worst get into taverns, none of the doors work that is frustrating, why can't you go into a tavern sit down and have some ale while you trade or just talk, too me this is

unacceptable, some other annoying things are when you can't jump a little bump because of the graphics, geez you can't even climb down a little hill, comeon, they should learn from oblivion, theres not enough options for your

character either, what we cant grow ur cut our hair, gain weight, change our skin color, eye color.....this game bores me, I plan to buy nightfall only because i want to have the whole collection but if GW wants to keep there fanbase big, they have to be diverse and change there game A LOT i would

say that factions changed like only 10% more than Prophecies, thats not enough AN not enough at all....and here's my last one, what is up with not seeing anyone still but your team, make the world bigger and grander so that we can see everyone, if your worried about more people getting together and

beating the game outside of the cities then make it harder...right now AN thinks they have the marker cornered because of there free gameplay online but if D&D gets larger and better, I wouldnt hesitate to go to D&D and pay

for a better game in no time.....out

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tejano2828
right now AN thinks they have the marker cornered because of there free gameplay online but if D&D gets larger and better, I wouldnt hesitate to go to D&D and pay for a better game in no time.....out
First, don't double post. Second, what's up with your spacing?

Third: D&D Online over Guild Wars? Ok, whatever floats your boat. Does D&D have all the elements you talk about? (Mounts, climbing, jumping, customized weight and eye color, etc).

If you want to pay a monthly fee to get those features, fine. Of course, I would never pay monthly fees for a game, but that's just me.


EDITED to fix bold. See how easy that was?!? You guys can DELETE your double posts, too!!!

Go to "Edit", hit "Delete", and ceck the box (yes, you really do want to delete), and voila! You made me happy!

silvershock

silvershock

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Netherlands

Red Lightning Brigade

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by tejano2828
I have been playing Guild Wars for about a year now since it first came out when I was overseas, I played it constantly every night even played some missions that were very kool over and over again, now that I'm back in the

states I play less.....here are some of my reasons.....I figured by now GW would of evolved into something more, instead of the same stuff, for example...why can't we ride dragons yet, or horses, or for that matter any

animal at all, fly a griffon around, get on boats, OR the worst get into taverns, none of the doors work that is frustrating, why can't you go into a tavern sit down and have some ale while you trade or just talk, too me this is

unacceptable, some other annoying things are when you can't jump a little bump because of the graphics, geez you can't even climb down a little hill, comeon, they should learn from oblivion, theres not enough options for your

character either, what we cant grow ur cut our hair, gain weight, change our skin color, eye color.....this game bores me, I plan to buy nightfall only because i want to have the whole collection but if GW wants to keep there fanbase big, they have to be diverse and change there game A LOT i would

say that factions changed like only 10% more than Prophecies, thats not enough AN not enough at all....and here's my last one, what is up with not seeing anyone still but your team, make the world bigger and grander so that we can see everyone, if your worried about more people getting together and

beating the game outside of the cities then make it harder...right now AN thinks they have the marker cornered because of there free gameplay online but if D&D gets larger and better, I wouldnt hesitate to go to D&D and pay

for a better game in no time.....out
Double posting is cauzed by failed to load mssges this laggy site gives... very annoying, so I understand that completely.

I agree with mordakai on the monthly payment thing.. i got the cash for it, but i just wont pay over and over again to play a game... common, why do you think im not playing WoW?

Owh and everybody listen to tejano, because he is sooooo rite about the "free" gameplay thing, guild wars feels like a game and at the same time a prison, it has limited "freedom".
Even though its a corpg, they should have given us atleast some freedom..

silvershock

silvershock

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Netherlands

Red Lightning Brigade

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by tejano2828
I have been playing Guild Wars for about a year now since it first came out when I was overseas, I played it constantly every night even played some missions that were very kool over and over again, now that I'm back in the

states I play less.....here are some of my reasons.....I figured by now GW would of evolved into something more, instead of the same stuff, for example...why can't we ride dragons yet, or horses, or for that matter any

animal at all, fly a griffon around, get on boats, OR the worst get into taverns, none of the doors work that is frustrating, why can't you go into a tavern sit down and have some ale while you trade or just talk, too me this is

unacceptable, some other annoying things are when you can't jump a little bump because of the graphics, geez you can't even climb down a little hill, comeon, they should learn from oblivion, theres not enough options for your

character either, what we cant grow ur cut our hair, gain weight, change our skin color, eye color.....this game bores me, I plan to buy nightfall only because i want to have the whole collection but if GW wants to keep there fanbase big, they have to be diverse and change there game A LOT i would

say that factions changed like only 10% more than Prophecies, thats not enough AN not enough at all....and here's my last one, what is up with not seeing anyone still but your team, make the world bigger and grander so that we can see everyone, if your worried about more people getting together and

beating the game outside of the cities then make it harder...right now AN thinks they have the marker cornered because of there free gameplay online but if D&D gets larger and better, I wouldnt hesitate to go to D&D and pay

for a better game in no time.....out
Double posting is cauzed by failed to load mssges this laggy site gives... very annoying, so I understand that completely.

I agree with mordakai on the monthly payment thing.. i got the cash for it, but i just wont pay over and over again to play a game... common, why do you think im not playing WoW?

Owh and everybody listen to tejano, because he is sooooo rite about the "free" gameplay thing, guild wars feels like a game and at the same time a prison, it has limited "freedom".
Even though its a corpg, they should have given us atleast some freedom..

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

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Originally Posted by silvershock

I agree with mordakai on the monthly payment thing.. i got the cash for it, but i just wont pay over and over again to play a game... common, why do you think im not playing WoW?
i cant answer that since it looks like you and tejano want to turn GW into wow free.
GW is set up this way on purpose so play THIS game or find some other game you enjoy instead of saying how wrong this game is according to what your opinion is

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Owh and everybody listen to tejano, because he is sooooo rite about the "free" gameplay thing, guild wars feels like a game and at the same time a prison, it has limited "freedom".
Even though its a corpg, they should have given us atleast some freedom.
if it is a prison you can make a jail break at any time by playing something else.

GW was intentionally made different so get used to it or vote with your wallet.

as for *completing the set* were you aware chapter 4 is already well under way?

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

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Double posting is cauzed by failed to load mssges this laggy site gives... very annoying, so I understand that completely.
I don't. You can go back an delete your extra post.

It's very easy, and a good thing to do.



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Originally Posted by silvershock
Owh and everybody listen to tejano, because he is sooooo rite about the "free" gameplay thing, guild wars feels like a game and at the same time a prison, it has limited "freedom".
Even though its a corpg, they should have given us atleast some freedom..
Sarcasm, I hope? You really think jumping, climbing and mounts make a game?

Hell, in WoW, you can't even fly mounts freely, you're on a "train" from what I understand.

So, no, I don't see how GW is a "prison."

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

:P

E/Me

I am hardcore debating if this game is even worth my time!!!

DragoXHellfire

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Luxcorp [JADE]

R/Mo

Guild wars us a good game and when i get bored with GW i play WoW for a few days and get bored with the lvling in a few days.Yes mounts are nice and so is the ability to swim and jump. Give GW time.I enjoy the GW pvp much more.I am going to buy NF for sure.One day we might have the ability to to swim and jump just give it time.And if u cant wait then enjoy WoW.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

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I am hardcore debating if this game is even worth my time!!!
all i can remember you doing is complaining how disappointing GW is.

if i had a tenth the complaints you do i would be long gone to something i liked better which i had fun playing.

do all of us including yourself a big favor and take an 8 month break until chapter 4 comes out and see how the game looks then.

the steady negative drumbeat is getting a bit boring

dreamhunk

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

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E/Me

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Originally Posted by Loviatar
all i can remember you doing is complaining how disappointing GW is.

if i had a tenth the complaints you do i would be long gone to something i liked better which i had fun playing.

do all of us including yourself a big favor and take an 8 month break until chapter 4 comes out and see how the game looks then.

the steady negative drumbeat is getting a bit boring

that is if anet even makes it to chapter 4! I am pretty sure if nightfall is not soild this time. anet will not ever make a come back on this one.

Not sure if i want to come back to a pvp focused game. If I did I would get huxley! bio-ware is coming out with pretty good content I could see them eating up the market!

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

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Originally Posted by dreamhunk
that is if anet even makes it to chapter 4! I am pretty sure if nightfall is not soild this time. anet will not ever make a come back on this one.

Not sure if i want to come back to a pvp focused game. If I did I would get huxley! bio-ware is coming out with pretty good content I could see them eating up the market!
You make it sound like Factions was such a failure that Anet is already on borrowed time.

So, tell me, how do you post from the universe next door?

majoho

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

Obviously not, people will hate it and stop playing GW all together.

That's what I think.

/end-sarcasm