What about the individual?

In regards to the above build, way to stretched out in the attirbute points to be a truely viable build. Both a hammer and an axe attack, not to mention power attack *shudders*. Then a death and a blood skill to further spread out the attribute line. Versatility really isnt what you need to be focusing on. Your job as a warrior is not to be casting spells like deathly swarm or vamp gaze, leave that to the necro. You as a warrior have the ability to maintain a high dps with your weapons attack, and spike a target once adrenaline builds up. Stick with that. Dont try and do things that you were never intended to do.

I too had the problems when i was a newb (note: not noob). I rolled as W/N and I used animate bone horror. Back in Pre it was kinda cool but once you move on you should learn real quick that if you are going to succeed, versatility isnt always a good thing.

Stick to a stat line along these lines:
15-16 in one weapon line to maximize dmg, focusing on adrenaline skills
7-9 in tatics for heal sig and maybe watch yourself or maybe a stance.
dump whatever you want into strengh, doesnt help too much as far as dmg, but has some rly nice pve skills, such as dolyak (my favorite).
and id suggest plague touch to keep the conditions off ya.

Just to start with...

Why the hell is a secondary profession REQUIRED, then, if you aren't able to fully make use of it?

Oh, and that stat line's kinda impossible at the moment. I'm LV18, and none of my stats are at 10 yet. Hammer Mastery's at 9, but that's because I'm wearing a Dwarven Helm.

Okay, one little interjecting question:
What's the problem with Power Attack?
I took off Seeking Blade for it, and it's working well, especially in concert with Irresistible Blow (usual opening attack: Vamp Gaze, Irresistible Blow, Power Attack...Energy: 0, Monster: dead.)

Well firstly if your level 18 you shouldnt be going to Droknars...

Also there is no mob besides storyline bosses that exceed level 28.
Still, these level 28's are no more powerful than a capable group of players.
Why?

Because when you level in guild wars, you dont automatically become more "powerful" besides the boost in attributes and health.
You dont suddenly become more resistant to damage. A level 1 and level 20 in the same armor will take the same damage from an enemy.
You also do not magically do more damage like in other games.

A level 28 monster will have slightly more health than you and a lot less intelligence. They have around 4-5 skills as well while you have 8.


Secondly, versatility can be achieved, just not totally. If one chracter could be a healer, a mass damage out putter, an echnatment striiper, an anti-tank/anti-caster, a tank etc. What would be the point of having different classes?
What would be the point of teaming, what would be the point of joining a guild?

In Oblivion, you could be anything you wanted to be. You could be a level 60 Orc that used an axe and bow while shooting fireballs at anything. In guildwars, you cant be everything, you HAVE to rely on strategy and your team instead of how much you hack slash and burn your enemies.

Now ffinally your level 18 trying to go to droks which you claim you made? if so congrats thats an amazing feat few are able to do. So why are you complaining? You just did a massive challenge and succeeded but are complaining because you found it too hard?

EDIT: just read above post and its becoming ridiculous. 3 different attack attributes? no wonder your haing trouble, do you even have a weapon for those attributes? If not that could explain your problem...
Axe attribute skills need an axe equiped to use
Sword need sword
hammer need hammer

Sure you can change in mid-battle but it becomes confusing and you mess up alot. Also if you spread your skills between 3 attack attributes, they will all be excessively low and not have much effect. Stick to a weapon you like (sword is quite user-friendly) and keep it like that. I know in oblivion your use to switching from axe to sword to mace to this and to that but you have to accept that you cant do that in guildwars.

Also secondary proffesions aren't to be used as a primary, thats why they are a secndary. You should use skills from you secondary that compliment your primary. If you wanted to use necromancer skills more than warrior skills go necro primary.
As people have said, a good necro skill to use as a W/N would be plague touch/sending. seeing as your a warrior, you get a heap of conditions on you, plague touch can send em back to the sender.

You can make use of your secondary profession skills, just remember that you are not a caster, therefore high cost spells dont fit with your class. As a E/Mo, i can make full use of my monk secondary due in part to the fact that i am a caster cappable of handling the high energy demands of spamming certain spells.

On the same line, you wouldnt rly want to give your caster a hammer and send him up to the front lines unless you have a very specialized build to do so, ala a E/Mo using the earth attribute line.

And as far as not having enough attribute points at lvl 18, just spread them out along those lines, doesnt have to be exact or anything.

I paid a runner to get to Drok's because I wanted new armor. If I'd come on my own, 1) I would've been pwned, 2) I wouldn't have run. I would have fought my way through because it would have been worth it...oh wait, Guild Wars is all about teamwork, so I still would've been pwned.

for one, when I was lvl 18, I had max atts in my weapon, my heal sig just did less.....

But yeah, Guild Wars isnt friendly for "loners" but I got all the lone wolf stuff out of me in ascalon.

Back when I was a noob I didnt even know you could GET henchmen, so in post searing Ascalon I had no idea that you could go out with computer controlled people, but I survived, it was a simple matter of using the skills at the right time and I could solo the single mobs of enemies no problem, I even did great north wall by myself.... I didnt even use other players until fort ranik because I was too nooby

So I didnt use hench until I got to Yaks bend (which I ran myself to at level 10) and only then it was because of that giant mob on the way to borlis.

Im not telling this story to boast (although I do love saying it) but it does prove that some elements of the game CAN be solo'd. At the current state of the game I am in I cant go around killing titians by myself but I can still get my 'lone wolfness' by getting cartographer.

That and GW is mainly focused on PVP, and as a word of advice DONT use that build in any arena, as you will be torn to pieces by a shock axe warrior.....

Well yes, if you try and use the beacon henchies and fight your way to droks with the above skill bar, id be surprised if you got past the first mob. Reaching droks isnt that difficult if you travel the intended route, following the missions and leveling up on the way.

Heck, ive seen full teams of lvl 20's struggle to fight there way from beacons. its not really the way you were meant to go.

And yet this area can be solo'd... It's all about the build you use. A full group of six lvl 20's, who are all morons don't compare to one lvl 20 who's smart.

GW is about thought and skill with the game... what a concept.

well for gods sake just play the game normally, you've just come out of ascalon and are trying to get to what? the second last area in the game? of course it's going to damned hard, your still new to the game.

If you had gone to Lions arch like you were supposed to guess what you would be fighting? level 13's and such. Yep much easier than all the 24 mobs in snakes.

Stop trying to rush the game and run to droks.
And you know what, you can get to droks on your own, After going through the game normally you will end up there anyway. No having to run from Beacons.

It is ridiculoius that you just get this game recently, try to run to one of the last areas in the game and whine because it's too hard, you dont even have enough skills yet...

Meh. The Drok run from Beacon's Perch is basically a re-hash of the old saying, "The shortest distance between two points is a straight line."
Especially for those of us who have to go out looking for the mission locations.

Shut the **** up.
You apparently haven't read anything that's been posted here.
My character's LEVEL EIGHTEEN.
I've had this game since last year.
I've gone through Kryta and the swamps, all the way to Maguuma, and I completed one of the Maguuma missions today.

I wonder if obliviousness is worse than ignorance....

I can think of shorter: Teleporting there after you get ascended.


EDIT :Well if your up to Maguuma, continue from there... Why the rush to droks? for the armor?

I honestly bet if the henchmen at beacons were level 20 you'd get much further, but the problem is they are level 10 because they werent spose to be taken to droks...

Just don't try ging through snakes run. You never have to go to that area in the game if you dont want to. Of course you'll get murderd by the mobs there with level 10 henchies...

You really need to shed that "OMGOMG L33333T" mentality from other games.

LEVEL 20 IS **NOT** SUPPOSED TO BE A BIG DEAL OR A MAJOR ACHEIVEMENT!

That's right, it's supposed to be fairly easy to achieve max level fairly quickly in this game. I know this is something you have trouble understanding, but just accept it.

This is not a game where you walk around saying to people "LAWL i'm lvl EIGHTEEN!!! I PWN U!!!!!", because it's no big deal, at all. This game is based on how you use the skills you're given. Nothing else.

Your character should be level 20 by the time you try to tackle the southern shiverpeaks. Also you should already have some elite skills that you obtained in the desert.
Honestly, judging from your attitude in this thread and the fact that none of what people are saying has sunk in, maybe your better off going back to FF or TES.

I merely mentioned my character level as partial evidence that I did not just recently start playing.

Not trying to flame here, but I got my ranger to level 18 at the wilds, within a week or two of playing. I play casually. Perhaps you don't get as much in-game time as others? I guess you've got more real life constraints than I do.
On topic:
My main char is a monk, and is very versatile. I use a specific build with henchies to get around normally, one I've tweaked with skills I've earned over my time in the game. I heal myself and smite. Since I'm a monk/ranger I toss points left over from smite and healing into divine favor and beast mastery(I have a pet). It is possible to diversify your skill points and still be useful, but it isn't as easy as when you focus on only one attribute. When I go with a group of real people I usually heal, because I need to be as effective as possible.

But a monk is different from a warrior in that I always use some sort of staff. You have weapon specific skills, so it would be best to focus on just one. . Otherwise you're just wasting time and skill bar space because you have to switch. If you continue to divide points between two weapons attributes you'll never be able to truly solo anything. You'll be stuck with henchies, like me. Thats fine with me, because I find it fun.If you want to solo, you need to focus your skills to get a bit better damage.

But that's just my two cents.

But you -CAN- make full use of a secondary profession. The secondary profession is meant to support or complement the primary profession, not overtake it. Where you need to start is deciding what weapon you want to use and put attribute points only into that weapon mastery. Then put some points into tactics so that you can use skills like "Watch Yourself", Shield Stance, and Healing Signet effectively, maybe a few into strength so that you can use a skill like Dolyak Signet, and maybe a few into one of the Necromancer attributes so that you can use a skill or two out of that line.

There are many builds that utilize secondary professions.....some more than others. If you want some ideas for builds to use, look on GuildWiki.

-Tom

Level 20 takes a day or two for a decent player, if you're still 18 after having the game 'since last year'...

You have to use ones that synergize neatly. Uses from the necro line for warriors are condition reversal, such as Plague Touch, or additional defences like enfeebling touch.

You shouldn't be heavily branching out before you have all att points really, especially in such redundant lines.

It's a terrible skill.

You have no defences, and such a combo is highly ineffective. Not to mention feeble.

First off, i dont intend this to be a flame of any kind. im honestly trying to help out here.

You have stated that you have had the game since last year, so thats atleast nine months. If after nine months of even speratic play you are still only lvl 18, that should be a hint that something isnt going well. 1-2 weeks of casual play should be all it take to reach level 20 going the normal route, if not less.

if you have the resources (note: plat), you can lvl yourself up to 20 in about 5 hours of straight "play". and thats not paying a power lvler, just get a run to yaks, then beacons, then droks for the armor if you want, then go back to beacons, then to la, then to cay, then the full desert tour, get runs at the two missions and try and find a nice group to let you in at dunes. then beat your dopple for the massive xp bonus and *poof* lvl 20! not the best way for sure, but hey its there. im not recomending this for your first char, but i did this when i made my sixth char necro. id alrdy played the story 5 times and i had no interest in dealing with rurik for a sixth time!

what takes time is unlocking all the skills that you will need, both elites and non-elites, and then testing out different skill set ups to determine what works out best for you. just reaching lvl 20 is not enough, the build/the skill to maximize your build is what rly matters.

and yes, ill tell this to everybody in game: GuildWiki is your friend!

Damn, I feel like stabbing myself in the eye after reading this thread.

After reading your skillbar and attributes and what youre trying to accomplish in this game, are you completely sure that first opening sentance i quoted wasnt a typo?

Honestly in nine months of playing, you should have been able to completely finish the game. ie. all missions, quests, exploring and have been able to cap all your elites for your primary profession. Honestly if it took me 9 months to get to where you are at, id have uninstalled the game 8 months ago.

After seeing that its DEFINATELY time to uninstall.

Your skill bar is "useless"

Stop whining about not being able to solo anything, when your skillbar is really terrible.

People complaining about lack of solo play in an MMO game. The first M in MMO stands for MULTIPLAYER, you know? If you want to play lone wolf style you might as well play singleplayer, offline!

It's always funny when someone tries to educate a poster through online attitude, all the while having doling out the incorrect information.

The first M .... the first M

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive...er_online_game

This should help you with your future eye rolling endeavors.

LMAO that was my same reaction when I got to the OP's post about his "build". My eyes rolled so far back it hurt.

But concerning the OP. I can understand why he's having difficulties with the game. He doesn't understand it. Raising the level cap don't mean squat. Cause you always have one advantage over the monsters, your skills. This game is all about the skills.

Their skills hardly change, but you got a whole mess at your disposal.

And also I was cracking up when he said whats the point of a secondary. lol tell that to my W/ME who uses mesmer stances. Or when I switch her to a W/Rit and use weapons spells. Or when I switch her to a W/R and use Melandru's Resilience.

To me this game is part killing crap, part exploring, and part build tinkering. The ladder being my favorite.

And also no matter what class I play I steamroll where ever I want using henchies. For maximum mob clearing I play my minion maker.

Level 18....lol

Wait, are you saying it's taken a whole year to get to level 18...

HAHA! I know people to get to 20 in under a day. The quickest I've gotten to 20 is 4 days. I typed /age and I've only used the character overall for 8 hours by the time I was level 20.


Also, if the level cap got raised to something like 60, shiro, glint would be raised to 71, and the creatures you hate would be level 62s, 64s and 68s.

If only this was the case.. good god i'd kiss anets ass anytime.

That is one singular skillbar. It would pose a threat to the Ether Prodigy W/E in a fight for awesomeness!! Replace Executioner's Strike with the elite Skull Crack later on for REAL pwnage.



...more to come later, I just dropped by and I'm too busy to post any serious comment

Never, ever, bring the ele hench in the Prophecies campaign. As you've no doubt noticed, that hench has one effect: (s)he scatters the mobs, making them attack your healers instead AND causes adds. The canthan eles, especially the earth ele, are more useful.

Always bring both monks if they're available.

You're a warrior - don't bring both warrior henches. One warrior is enough, two warriors total is plenty.

If you find yourself low on energy, change to cheaper skills and/or bring the necro hench (he'll blood-ritual you every three steps of the way).

If you find yourself low on adrenalin, use a skill which improves attack speed.

If you get in trouble, analyse the cause. Did vital enchants get stripped? Were the enemy dumping conditions on you? Hexes? Interrupts?
Then change your skill-bar and your attributes to counter, and go again.

Just to clarify something...

I got the game last November.
At the time, I had a verrrry slow computer.
I'd be fighting, and then it would freeze, and when it resumed, my party would be lying dead.

So I took a few months off, until I was able to get my computer souped up.
Started playing again, and actually enjoyed it since I wasn't lagging all the time.

As to taking so long to be at level 18, personally I despise doing the missions. I'd rather just explore and find stuff to kill that way.

This thread is amazing amounts of lol.

Destiny: Guys I keep getting pwned why does this game suck so much
Everyone: It's not the game that sucks maybe you just aren't doing it right?
Destiny: No I should be able to pwn everything by myself blindfolded with my feet
Everyone: No that's not how GW works, you're supposed to use teamwork, what's your skillbar like?
Destiny: *posts his lol skillbar*
Everyone: Oh well that's not very good, here's some ideas to fix it.
Destiny: That sucks why can't I just have whatever skills I want and still pwn everything?
Everyone: SIIIIIIIIIGH

Intelligence means everything if there is 30 of them and 1 of you, they fight in a set patten, figure it out and counter it, you have 8 skills they have 2 or 3 skills they use, split them up into smaller groups, called "pulling" in GW, make sure you have the skills needed for that area before you enter, perhaps change your secondary for it, Change and adapt, it can be done solo, has been done solo, and will continue to be done solo. Do some reaserch on diffrent builts and their uses. Try Guildwiki, you can even find out what skills to expect the monsters to be using in what areas.

After reading the whole thread I'm gone say something I never thought I'd say.

This game is clearly not for the OP. Recommend immediet uninstall

um...change my secondary?

He just needs to play WoW and make a paladin.. even though rogues will prob own him, so go one of those servers where horde an alliance cant fight..

Caleb The Pontiff is using Pwnt The Smartass!

Well, yes once you reach a certain point in the game(provided you have followed the story line as intended by the dev's) you can freely change your secondary proffesion as needed, W/M or W/E or W/R or W/N even W/Me, a built to suit the situation, here it's about adaptation, the game does not adapt to you, you have to adapt to the game.

Yes, if you continue to play through the game as intended, once you get to the desert, you have the option to change your secondary to any other one you want however many times you want, just by completing the designated quests.

*beat me to it by seconds stockholm*

I've beaten both Prophecies and Factions with only one other human on my team (my fiancé) and henchies.

See also: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...use-id2011.php

LAUGH OUT LOUD !! I smacked my table laughing when I read that...