Will "Protector" titles influence Nightfall PuGs? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

10 Sep 2006 at 04:33 - 1

When Factions was released, I saw someone in Vizunah Square spamming "Rank 6 Well Spammer LFG." My group couldn't decide what was more pathetic: the fact that he was using a PvP indication to get into a group, or that he needed to be Rank 6 to press 2 buttons.

However, fast forward. Many avid PvErs now have a "Protector" title, wherether it be for Tyria or Cantha.

These titles, however, do indicate skill. They tell skill in PvE, and they all tell that you know how to press 2 buttons.

People in Nightfall, especially since there will be raving amounts of them in the later missions, may be more likely to pick a Protector of Cantha Minion Master as a opposed to one without the title.

What do you think?

I, personally, will be flaunting the title on my Necromancer.

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

R/

10 Sep 2006 at 04:43 - 2

I talk to the player, but yes the titles - "Protector" and "Grandmaster Cartographer" do get my attention first.

But if the player doesn't want to listen or play with the team (rare that happens) I don't take him.

Death Snapper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada - Toronto

The Little Nutters (PWN)

10 Sep 2006 at 04:48 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

When Factions was released, I saw someone in Vizunah Square spamming "Rank 6 Well Spammer LFG." My group couldn't decide what was more pathetic: the fact that he was using a PvP indication to get into a group, or that he needed to be Rank 6 to press 2 buttons.

I too saw many people advertise their rank while looking for a group in factions PVE, its pretty funny.

I do think that some learders might look at titles and choose for that reason, but I think that most wont really care or bother to do so. Although the people looking for a group may advertise it in hopes of getting into a better group faster. I have not really notice many people in either current continent advertising that they are a protector of the other continent in their LFG statement yet though.

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

10 Sep 2006 at 05:47 - 4

I judge by titles and gear usually. If I see a warrior in 15k glad's and then another with a mix match of plate/gladiator/collector. I'll take the 15k glad, its common sense.

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

10 Sep 2006 at 05:55 - 5

I really couldnt care less what titles someone has. Its not like this stuff is hard...

kimahri

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]

E/

10 Sep 2006 at 09:57 - 6

I never play with PuGs, so I really don't care.

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

R/

10 Sep 2006 at 10:42 - 7

Well i havent really though about that until the OP mentioned it.

Perhaps now i will only form Bonus groups for Nightfall missions with those who have Protector of Tyria/Cantha and as usual reject any assassin who try to sneak into our groups who then pm the usual nonsense that they are the biggest fcuk who are expert at that mission and we are so gonna regret not having them in our group?

PvE PuGs are a joke...seriously.

Heroes FTW....then again last i remember this is a multiplayer game after all...

Edit for spelling grrr

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

10 Sep 2006 at 11:36 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

What do you think?

FWIW, I've noticed that the title "Protector of Tyria" does impress people, especially those without a title. Then again, maybe they're as impressed by "Survivor" or "Lucky" or even "Drunkard" titles too, what do I know.

Also I must say that none of the titles necessarily implies skill, even the Protector or Cartographer or Hero titles - you *can* get run or carried or cheese your way through everything.

Saphatorael

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

10 Sep 2006 at 12:21 - 9

I didn't even pay attention to titles when inviting people, nor have i received compliments for my Protector of Tyria title in Cantha (already had it 4 months before Factions' release, so-to-say)

Only dumb people will take people that have titles... just like the guy who only let people with good titles in hi 'Deep group' (during the Elite Weekend)... if you had 70% cartographer, he'd let you in... i mean, wtf?

The Fox

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

10 Sep 2006 at 12:49 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallandor

Well i havent really though about that until the OP mentioned it.

Perhaps now i will only form Bonus groups for Nightfall missions with those who have Protector of Tyria/Cantha and as usual reject any assassin who try to sneak into our groups who then pm the usual nonsense that they are the biggest fcuk who are expert at that mission and we are so gonna regret not having them in our group?

PvE PuGs are a joke...seriously.

Heroes FTW....then again last i remember this is a multiplayer game after all...

Edit for spelling grrr

Well, I just used PUG's to do all the missions up to the one after battle in the sewers, and yes a lot of groups are not organized; however, only one of those PUG groups didn't get masters, so generalizing them all as a joke might be an underestimation. BTW I have over 200,000 exp so far and haven't died while playing in those groups. Anyways, survivor is a title that does seem to hold some weight, but the blasted power levelers give it a bad rap since people could buy their way to it.

hehehe - consider this... A common PUG player may have bad groups and therefore difficult battles more often, which will more accuratly test and fine tune their abilities to come out of bad situations alive.

Does a better built group have more room for mistakes? Yes
Which group is harder to adapt to? a PUG
Which group would a new player that is simply told what skills to bring have a better chance of surviving? an Organized Group

Basically, organized groups are harder to put together but are then able to be lazier when playing.
So is it possible for PUG's to be the ultimate training grounds for making great players??? I'll leave that one in the air.

Stupid Shizno

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Madison, Wisconsin, USA

[eF]

Mo/

10 Sep 2006 at 12:53 - 11

the protector title is pointless, its char based. my necro has the protector of tyria, warrior has protector of canthan, does that mean my monk is a newb cause he wears the hero title? no. there is no way to tell just based on titles alone if the player is good, how many groups do you see in dunes now saying bonus only, just to get a title. it might have been more impressive if groups wernt made just to do a bonus and rush through it.

i choose people based off professions, yup. im a jerk. sorry, no W/mo or Mo/W in my groups.

Stupid Shizno

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Madison, Wisconsin, USA

[eF]

Mo/

10 Sep 2006 at 12:53 - 12

double post =[

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

10 Sep 2006 at 13:08 - 13

I guess it would make sense if titles did make the groups. Seems foolish to try to get in a pve group with a pvp title; I find that in general the higher the rank the more they suck at pve cause they're so used to pvp.

Guess I'll have to get the protector title which wont be hard. My warrior has it and my necro,ranger, and assassin just need to kill Glint. Whever I try to though, have the team always quits before we're even halfway through the mission..... sigh

p.s. Not bothering with Canthan protector cause I hate time trials in ever game >_<

S.U.K

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

wouldn't you like to know..

none

Mo/

10 Sep 2006 at 13:12 - 14

i don't care what groups i go in, i just like fighting monsters and if i finish the mission or get somewhere its just an awesome bonus, i dont mind doing it once or twice more. Seriously where has the passion for just fighting gone these days? since when was it all about getting somewhere.

Relambrien

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Delaware, USA

Error Seven Operators [Call]

W/

10 Sep 2006 at 13:15 - 15

I don't care about titles at all. Here is my test, and it usually weeds out the jerks who don't want to listen.

GLFM [x mission], whisper me!

Anyone who self-invites is rejected. Generally, the ones who actually do whisper are the ones who can do what they need to without being a jerk. Works fine for me ^^

falling demon

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

dunno

Dawn's Omen {Leader}

W/Mo

10 Sep 2006 at 13:19 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Death3D

i choose people based off professions, yup. im a jerk. sorry, no W/mo or Mo/W in my groups.

why? i ONLY play W/Mo for the Re-usable rez, since chances are, if we get wiped, its me or a monk left alive (or both) so i need a rez that is reusable (not necessary but very handy) and rebirth > res sig for PvE in my opinion

and Mo/W - whats wrong with that? sure i've met a few annoying 55's like that, that spend more energy on themselves keeping enchants up than actually healing, but most are eligible monks with a skill or two from the warrior line to defend themselves

what i dont take is the people who:-
advertise pvp builds
advertise titles
are disrespectful and/or malicious

and the titles thing: a person could be really experienced, but not have any titles due to not having even BEEN to all of the missions, some could still be working their way through the game

Blackhawk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/

10 Sep 2006 at 13:53 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Death Snapper

I too saw many people advertise their rank while looking for a group in factions PVE, its pretty funny.

Yeah we had some plonker continually spamming his rank emote in our tombs group, and when a ranger unfortunately err-7'd he was like OMG!!!! Resign!!! Resign!!!! Resign!!!

Terrifying Hero????, Terrified Hero more like

nugzta

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

10 Sep 2006 at 14:09 - 18

But you gotta admit pvp monk is better than pve monk, they know how to manage their energy rather than spamming "My energy is 0 of 54!"

RinkXing

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

United Kingdom

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

N/

10 Sep 2006 at 14:37 - 19

Yeah.. it's the sad truth but generally I've noticed that the protector title does indicate some sort of knowledge of the PvE game, while I was mission/bonusing the last 3 missions of Tyria for my Protector of Tyria title there was a Monk on our team with the Prot of Cantha title he seemed to be much more capable than the other monk we had.

But you will always have the experienced players who have not bothered getting the titles being ignored or rejected for someone else with one.

Also, Survivor (not Legendary but especially the second tier though) I can imagine being an indicator that the player may leave, on my Survivor Warrior I was asked a few times by PUGs if I would leave to retain my title.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzta

But you gotta admit pvp monk is better than pve monk, they know how to manage their energy rather than spamming "My energy is 0 of 54!"

I disagree, it just depends how good the player is at handling his/her profession really, not what game mode they play.

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

10 Sep 2006 at 15:16 - 20

No matter how you look at it- Cartographer and Protector titles are the ones that let us know that you REALLY went the distance with your character. There is nothing bad you can say to a person with those titles, because when it comes down to it- they have had more experience with every aspect of the (PvE) game. Simple as that.

one problem is, sometimes a monk doesnt want to heal or prot, and wants to work smiting. People want healers in pve.

This of course can make a monk re-do their build to heal your tired ass- and sacrifice their own usefulness to keep you alive.

Then again, many monks have a real attitude problem- they think that they can treat others however they want, and are usually the first person to leave a mission when things get rough.

Id rather have a group with a smite monk and a def rit lord over 2 elitist monks that are going to spam some crappy skills until they drop out.

With these new classes coming out, the monks are gonna have to step it up a bit (and to those of you who ARE good healers, please excuse me- Im not talking about you) because the dervish and paragon have some good self-healing.

It will also ALLOW monks to actually use their own unique builds rather than being a default healer.

nugzta

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

10 Sep 2006 at 15:32 - 21

Pvp monk got edenial by mesmers, knocked downed by warriors, know how to kite, use the skills effectively (5 energy spells). They dont have the luxury of stay in the back and let warriors take the aggro in pve or stop for energy regen.

I have monk myself, Im doing good in pve but suck at pvp. Pvp has more pressure for monk than in pve, that's why I say pvp monk is generally better than pve monk. I take pug monk in pve with Hero title any day.

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

10 Sep 2006 at 16:43 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzta

Pvp monk got edenial by mesmers, knocked downed by warriors, know how to kite, use the skills effectively (5 energy spells). They dont have the luxury of stay in the back and let warriors take the aggro in pve or stop for energy regen.

I have monk myself, Im doing good in pve but suck at pvp. Pvp has more pressure for monk than in pve, that's why I say pvp monk is generally better than pve monk. I take pug monk in pve with Hero title any day.

agreed.

pvp-players are better at pve than pve-only players, and no one can make me think otherwise.

ekamdu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Legion of Sacred Light

Mo/

10 Sep 2006 at 16:47 - 23

if i have to choose from 2 W/Mo or something, i'll always take the one with the (best) title...

Alfrond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

The United States

Boston Guild [BG]

Mo/Me

10 Sep 2006 at 18:13 - 24

Titles may have an effect in Nightfall, but probably only at places where there are so many people LFG that group leaders have lots of players to choose from. I do respect the protector titles though; its hard to get those if your a horrible or lazy player. I would consider those to be the ultimate PvE title.

As for the idea that PvP players in PvE in are better than PvE only players, I'm not so sure about that. The two types of gameplay require different skills. Would a PvP warrior really know much about aggro management?

gamecube187

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

10 Sep 2006 at 19:49 - 25

I never look at other people's titles or armor. In fact, I rarely remeber that I have titles, and the only time I really ever pay attention to my own armor, is when I'm thinking of buying new armor.

I doubt nightfall will get me to start...

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzta

Pvp monk got edenial by mesmers, knocked downed by warriors, know how to kite, use the skills effectively (5 energy spells). They dont have the luxury of stay in the back and let warriors take the aggro in pve or stop for energy regen.

I have monk myself, Im doing good in pve but suck at pvp. Pvp has more pressure for monk than in pve, that's why I say pvp monk is generally better than pve monk. I take pug monk in pve with Hero title any day.

And the necro in the pve mish with the rank 5 emote certainly used necro in pvp...I mean, its not like the title is account based...and its not like they can get those titles with touch rangers or iway's or anything....

/sarcasm

derrtyboy69

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Clouds

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/Me

10 Sep 2006 at 19:57 - 26

Personally i know ill be using henchman, as i did with prophecies and factions. Especially since theyre supposed to be customizable.

I really pay no attention to titles, since just about every one can be farmed in one way or another (Iway, thumpway, noobs in good mission groups) Ive easily beaten missions with pugs of randomly invited people, and ive also been to fow with a rank 9 tank using an IWAY build.

lachescandinavu

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

10 Sep 2006 at 22:28 - 27

dude...thats what pugs mean..you dont have to say randomly invited people

gr3g

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

10 Sep 2006 at 23:20 - 28

Protector titles aren't exactly hard to get. I've seen many bad players sporting Protector titles, esp. Protector of Tyria. Grandmaster Cartographer just shows that you are very good at highly boring tasks such as wall hugging at 60 DP. What these titles have to do with success in a mission is a mystery to me.

Now, I had to choose between someone with a Protector title and someone spamming his wolf or tiger in a PvE area, I'd take the Protector.

lachescandinavu

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

10 Sep 2006 at 23:36 - 29

of course its a mistery to you...do you even have 1 of those titles and grandmaster cartograher is not hugging the wall at 60 dp you noob

led-zep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

10 Sep 2006 at 23:44 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by falling demon

why? i ONLY play W/Mo for the Re-usable rez, since chances are, if we get wiped, its me or a monk left alive (or both) so i need a rez that is reusable (not necessary but very handy) and rebirth > res sig for PvE in my opinion

QFT, when i run build that use only primary class skills i change to monk secondary for the reusable res whether it be warrior, ele, necro, whatever.
'sorry i used my sig already and im the only one alive' tends to pee more people off than 'Warrior X is using Mending!'

ubermancer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

******************* Refuge From Exile [RFE]

10 Sep 2006 at 23:45 - 31

I just hope that I wont have to resort to getting PUGs, and if I do, all members are (at least) Advanced Skill Hunters.

gr3g

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

10 Sep 2006 at 23:47 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by lachescandinavu

of course its a mistery to you...do you even have 1 of those titles and grandmaster cartograher is not hugging the wall at 60 dp you noob

Such masterful use of the English language! Is that the quality of English they teach at your school? Call them and demand your money back: they are obviously ripping you off.

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

11 Sep 2006 at 03:12 - 33

I sport my Unlucky (3) title wherever I go.

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

R/

11 Sep 2006 at 03:53 - 34

Grandmaster Cartographer is hugging the walls at -60DP.

That is funny - especially since the poster obviously doesn't have the title either in Tyria or Cantha.

I can show you screenshots of almost every area I've explored and none of them have me at more than -13 DP. Most are +10 Morale Boost.

I really couldn't care less about a PvP title that you got IWAYing your Fame during the Double Fame Weekend Events.

Give me a Protector or Grandmaster Cartogtropher any day of the week!

lachescandinavu

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

11 Sep 2006 at 04:38 - 35

exactly my point.....if you cant do it with full health how the heck will you be able to do it with over half of your health gone ?

ps i live in Romania so you can guess that i dont master the english language

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

11 Sep 2006 at 04:58 - 36

I don’t associate any maxed titles with a player’s skill. So it’s not really going to influence me getting or getting into a group. The worst player can get the protector title, even if the group thinks the player is better off dead and they complete the mission/bonus/Masters the player still completes the same as everyone in the group.

lachescandinavu

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

11 Sep 2006 at 05:03 - 37

i hope you guys realize that not everyone with a title is a noob and some have realy worked hard to get a certain title

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

11 Sep 2006 at 05:23 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzta

Pvp monk got edenial by mesmers, knocked downed by warriors, know how to kite, use the skills effectively (5 energy spells). They dont have the luxury of stay in the back and let warriors take the aggro in pve or stop for energy regen.

I have monk myself, Im doing good in pve but suck at pvp. Pvp has more pressure for monk than in pve, that's why I say pvp monk is generally better than pve monk. I take pug monk in pve with Hero title any day.

For a PvE title, you know they got it playing that character class. For a HA title you have no real way to tell if they IWAY'ed for it or not.

Also, PvP doesn't teach you anything about how to make sure the aggro stays on the tank.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zehnchu

I don’t associate any maxed titles with a player’s skill. So it’s not really going to influence me getting or getting into a group. The worst player can get the protector title, even if the group thinks the player is better off dead and they complete the mission/bonus/Masters the player still completes the same as everyone in the group.

While its possible in theory to get a protector title without becoming at least a decent player, it will require a lot of work to find a group you can leach off for the missions. Getting a group for gyala hatchery or the fire islands is hard enough as it is, so it will probably be eaiser for them to improve their skills enough rather than leach off people.

Then again I've never actually looked at someones title. If someone boasts about their HA title, or even worse their xp count, then they are automatically out of my group for any PvE as I doubt I'll enjoy playing alongside them. This is usually confirmed after watching them react to someone saying that HA rank is meaningless in PvE.

I've never actually seen anyone mention any other title to help themselves get into a group. I generally work on eaither a first come first served basis (if they have a useful character and I don't have friends/guildies comming), though I find it more enjoyable to get someone else to form the group. I'll probably only use their titles if two PUGs want in and one of them mentions the title but the other doesn't. Even then I will only use the protector, cartographer and champion titles. If they have KOBD I'll ask which titles they maxed to get it.

Hopefully Nightfall will work like Factions so you can be sure that anyone wanting to party with you at some point is at least good enough to of passed all the previous missions, unlike Prophesis where you can't be sure about that untill after THK (which in my experiance put lots of players in desert and south shiverpeak missions who couldn't handle them).

Tetris L

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Germany

Servants of Fortuna

11 Sep 2006 at 07:22 - 39

I still go by the names and typing style of people more than titles or anything else.

If somebody with the name "Serial K I L L A" (typically a male necro, warrior or assassin) writes "PRO LFG MASTRERS NO NEWBZ PLZ!!!!!" I'll sure as hell not invite him.

Paperfly

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

11 Sep 2006 at 08:31 - 40

Protectorship of Tyria and Cantha are oddly different indicators -

- getting Protector of Tyria tends to show adaptability in the face of different play scenarios, high competence in aggro management, and a certain amount of patience and persistence.

- getting Protector of Cantha tends to show an understanding of good offensive builds, team communication, and a certain amount of group composition elitism ("don't take the Mesmer, we're trying to get Masters!").

You know, tends.

Either way, I'll think better of a player displaying either title... But then I tend to accept virtually any sort of (non-personally-obnoxious) scrub into PuGs I form, since I'm pretty confident of my own ability to carry a group.