Will "Protector" titles influence Nightfall PuGs?

CHampion title tells it all. If someone has champion (1) he must have even some skills in gvg. (pug thumpways didnt invite random noobs from la eng1).
Champion 2 is gvg farmer with some skills.

You dont "farm" GvG imo.

But anyway thats my opinion.

Its not something that can be as lowered as that.

GvG is an event, something which will make you sweat and give you a fast hearbeat during its course, the excitment and fun, and fear of losing, the emotion of victory after a hard battle.

Its something you cant call as farming.

Farming is usually something boring, repetitive and that you do without problems or difficulty once you master it, usually almost always the same way.

GvG is always different and unexpected, thats because your almost always completelly blind towards what kind of group you will face, what type of tactics they will use, its always different and so addictive and exciting to many people, that over coming a hard gvg, winning it is a great feeling.

You just cant call it farming, even if your champion lvl 5 or whatever is the max for that title.

Anyway im going a bit offtopic.

LOL?

I completely agree, i nearly have the grandmaster title on my ranger, im at 99,6 % and i know the pain that it is.
Only once you start going for this title will you trully realize how hard it is.
It shows that the person with 100% is patient and at least knows the maps (after hours of wall hugging), and has done every single important mission( including both Kurzick and Luxon sides )

I personnally, think that Protector titles and Champion titles do
mean something, it means they spent time on doing every single bonus, which can be a hard deed (take me for example, i completelly henched Ring of Fire bonus the other day, it means something at least i think), and takes loads of patience and devotion. (note I made that in bold, these 2 things are the important thing of pve, and pvp)

The Champion title, what to say about this one lets see: Winning 50 high rated matches isnt easy, and you cant "run" gvgs just like you run a mission.
In GvG every player makes the difference. Every player is a valuable asset in this 8 maned team.
This title denotes that you were a person with team coordination, patience, and...TS ^_^, and so knew how to work with your team until you reached these 50 High rated GvGs won.

Looking at a person's rank is a decent way of finding out whether that player is a complete noob or not. At least i know a rank 6 player will not bring mending and healing hands in his build.

A pvp will always outperform a pve monk in all situations. They have better energy mangement and can withstand so much more shutdown and pressure. They will also usually have superior reaction times than pve monks. PVP is just a much higher level of play and those that pvp will most likely be decent at pve which is so much easer.

And for those that say the person could have just iwayed his rank....it still takes skill the run iway. If iway is so easy why dont you go try run iway and win the halls with it.

Good method.

I know another thing that instantly makes me leave someones team or kick the individual who does this(in case im the leader of that party)
Its when they say : OK LETS GOGOGOGOGOGOGO
These impatient idiots will usually rush off into mobs, and usually leave the party when things go wrong.

Yeah, same here. I wonder how many of the guys who have difficulty finding groups have 'cool' names and/or advertise for groups with leetspeek.

I sometimes think it would be interesting to make a kewl dewd named '| UR NUBZ |" & try to offensively leetspeek my way around tyria, just to see if that experience is different from using rp-names & actual English.
But then I sober up again.

Actually, sure a bit of formality can show maybe that the person isnt a complete idiot, unlike one particular jerk which i once saw spamming Heil hitler in pre sear, offending people and not being exactly polite if i remember right, that idiot trully pissed me off, i shouldve screenshoted his ass and emailed to anet to ban the noob fascist.

Anyway back on topic, did you ever think that their english writing skills could simply not be very good?

But if you see them with names like: I Own Your Mom, etc etc, they are most likelly people asking for a character ban, or maybe its their temporary pvp character.

I don't judge by titles or armor, there are a lot of jerks and fools which have 15k or titles.

Certainly, we'd all love to have top-end GvG monks in our PuGs. And that's because - judging by their shiny black 15K Kurzick armours - most of them have done an enormous amount of PvE and will clearly know enough about it to more than carry their weight.
Never mind that there's an enormous amount of utterly incompetent monks in HA and that you're essentially invoking the skills of a high level PvPer relative to a normal-to-n00b PvEer...

...The two skill bases are not linearly comparable. Especially when we're talking about PuGs. Even the highest level of GvG won't teach proper aggro management, how to compensate for idiots on your team, or even where to expect popups on each map.

Try playing a balanced GvG build that relies on mobility through Cantha, ignoring the fact that your enemies are five levels higher than you are, get cheap damage reduction, and outnumber you fifteen to one*.

The standard PvP troll post is that PvE is oh-so-easy because you can exploit the static enemy AI. Granted! Wich is great, as long as you're with people who know how that AI works in the first place! That is not a given if we're talking about someone who tries to join a pickup group on the basis of his PvP titles.


*we're not using PvE skills here - no aggro management, so you're expected to take on half the map at once.

Totally disagree with that comment. I play pve and pvp and in both I use energy management

I may reply if I ever stop laughing?

Yep, you should.
Well, there's more to leetspeek than simply bad spelling, and having "| Teh Azztroll |" spamming 'lfg 2 do ms & b plz NO NooBZ' is quite different from "Ruslan Podgornik" spamming 'anyon do mision und bonus?'

u no wot i mean, rite?

That's in PvE. In PvP I completely accept cute names and leetness - it belongs there. Hell, my PvP-only char is named 'Helpless Victim'.

Iam guessing Baz777 and paper doesnt pvp
Anyone that does pvp and pve will know that pvp requires so much more skill.

You have pvp experience and thats what I mean. If you just play pve, I doubt you know how to manage your energy. Build like boonprot (effective healing skills and energy management) comes from pvp and it works too in pve.

And whats wrong with pvp players play pve (or maybe pve players who also play pvp)? doesnt it mean these players (like me) who play both are better than people who just play pve or pvp?

<<<Protector of Tyria
<<<Tyrian Pathfinder (70%)
<<<Skill Hunter (1, 90 elites)
Can anyone say I have not shown skill by earning these titles? The Skill Hunter one in particular was REALLY difficult to get. I will be Advanced Skill Hunter by the time Nightfall comes out though. (oh im so cool xD)
but seriously, titles will affect nightfall, and they should. I mean, what do you guys think they're there for in the first place?

I dunno with customizable heros, people may never play with each other again :P I personally will only have KOBD's in my parties from now on! LMAO

Yeah, i really do think it will make a big difference. I was in a mission and was called a noob becuase i let a mesmer in (mesmers don't fit the build apparently) in which they continued to whine and complain about how the group was split and how i didn't know what i was doing. Interestingly enough, we beat the mission anyway even after 2 of them left the game. What's really sad to me is the builds that people have in thier mind as to be the leetest builds becuase they only know how to press a certain set of buttons. Most PUG's i find don't even know how to use thier skills outside of a few cookie cutter builds. Some great examples, necros that can only mm, ritualist that can only ritlord, eles that can only do fire, monks that can only go heal, tanks without any stances....

Not to me, when forming pugs I don't require any titles of any sorts. I do mostly pugs and not seen a request to show a title either to join one.

That's pretty bottom-of-the-barrel even for pugs. Have you tried being a bit more selective in forming your groups? It's not that hard to form relatively competent pugs.

This is an interesting discussion. I have very few titles if any, yet I have every Elite skill in the game for each one of my PvE primary professions.

Furthermore I don't do PvP very much, yet I am confident that I can sustain an average PUG group even if I am the only Monk in an average 8-man party. I am confident in my Monk skills and I do no disappoint those I play with.

Also the top three players I have personally played with all had 1.5k armor; some of the armor was even mismatched. Furthermore they had no titles.

Do titles mean anything to me?
NO (but I’m happy for you if you have them)

Do I care about your PvP experience for PvE?
NO (Monsters do not rage quit or get 007 errors)

Do I care what Armor or type of Armor you have?
NO (and I don't want to know what type armor you have as long as its the maximum, and you play your Armor style to the best of your ability)

What do I care about?
The only question I will ever ask someone is what Elite they have loaded right now. Knowing someone’s Elite skill will tell me a bit about what build they might be doing or how they use their skills.

EEK! Don't get me wrong i do PUG's all the time. Of course i can be selective about who i bring, but there is a noob in every bunch just as well. It's actually pretty tough to get groups in factions, especially some of the latter missions. Unwaking waters, hatchery and such just have no population to choose from. None the less i turn to guildies first, PUGs second and hench as a last resort, unless I'm doing things that are just easier to hench it then deal with leavers.

I don't think anyone anywhere can deny that in general someone with at least protector title will offer a more advanced player then not. But no, I don't exclusively look for that.

prof: Mo/x (title [email protected])
titles: Tyrian master cartographer
Canthan master cartographer
Fierce Gladiator (71 points)
Advanced skill Hunter
Protector of Tyria
Protector of Cantha

The Protector Titles are disproportionatly easy to get. Assuming you have already beat the chapter, you will have 2/3 of the bonuses already finished. Spend an extra 10 hours replaying the remaining bonuses and you have yourself the protector title.

Advanced skill hunter averages about 20 mins a cap. 180 skills takes about 60 hours, also considered easy to do. (use bosses elites map found on web)

Grandmaster titles are ridulously time consuming, especially Tyria. You are looking @ +100 hours each title. Of the PvE titles this would take the most skill to do efficiently(excluding the legendary survivor title).

Gladiator title average about 3 hours per gladiator point. 25 points = 75 hours just to get to the 1st gladiator title. Unlike PvE titles these titles take much more skill to attain.

You can't compare PvE and PvP monk. Pve monks are all about energy management and taking the right skill set for the mission. PvP monking is about survival, kiting, and experience (knowing what build your opponent are runnning by there secondary proffesion. ex: W/e, R/w,N/me, R/n)