After the second mission in the Nightfall preview, the crazy lady praises Abbadon, like in Abbadon's Mouth in the Ring of Fire. After that, the ancient undead says that "Abbadon stirrs".
IF this is the case, then neither Menzies nor Dhuum is responsible for the "end of days".
[Possible Spoiler] Who is the outcast God?
Omega X
Shadowfox1125
Yeah, when I heard "Praise Abbadon," it kinda hit me.
What else could Praise Abbadon mean?
What else could Praise Abbadon mean?
OlMurraniKasale
Different names for the same thing?
maedrarle
Might not wanna put a spoiler as the title of your thread. But yea he is, they explain it in more detail further a quest.
Knightsaber Sith
Also; there was a concept art pic file on the prerelease disc named abbadon. It's only titled abbadon on the European one though I'm told.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2816/abbadonno3lq6.jpg
Also; I'm not sure where they found it but someone posted this on GWO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2816/abbadonno3lq6.jpg
Also; I'm not sure where they found it but someone posted this on GWO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon
Lord Palidore
Lol, yeah. Kind of pointless to put a spolier warning, when the actual spoiler is in the title itself, right next to the warning. You should probably change that.
And yeah, it seems as if this chapter will involve Abaddon as the outcast god.
Further along the preview event, you learn from certain quest a bit more about Abaddon.
And yeah, it seems as if this chapter will involve Abaddon as the outcast god.
Further along the preview event, you learn from certain quest a bit more about Abaddon.
Omega X
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Originally Posted by Lord Palidore
Lol, yeah. Kind of pointless to put a spolier warning, when the actual spoiler is in the title itself, right next to the warning. You should probably change that.
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I wasn't sure if It was a spoiler anyway...
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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith
Also; there was a concept art pic file on the prerelease disc named abbadon. It's only titled abbadon on the European one though I'm told.
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Bankai
ALL spoilers will be found out eventually.
Hmmm, interesting. Finally a reason for the weird name of Abaddon's mouth.
Hmmm, interesting. Finally a reason for the weird name of Abaddon's mouth.
Lord Palidore
Some people are, but not everyone is.
Even for the people who are, not everyone is playing the whole PvE portions of the event, some are testing out PvPing, and testing out some builds as well.
There's always that small fraction you know
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To the above poster, yeah, all spoilers are found out eventually.
But do you want to know what already happens in a new movie before you watch it? Or what happens in a book you want to read before you read it?
Btw, Abaddon means, "Doom, Destruction," and also can mean "Realm of the Dead," as mentioned in the above link (Wikipedia).
Even for the people who are, not everyone is playing the whole PvE portions of the event, some are testing out PvPing, and testing out some builds as well.
There's always that small fraction you know
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To the above poster, yeah, all spoilers are found out eventually.
But do you want to know what already happens in a new movie before you watch it? Or what happens in a book you want to read before you read it?
Btw, Abaddon means, "Doom, Destruction," and also can mean "Realm of the Dead," as mentioned in the above link (Wikipedia).
Bankai
I ment it as in, the argument of it will be found out eventually isn't working because all spoilers will ofcourse be found out eventually. Unknown data isn't a spoiler. So yeah, it should have the spoiler tags. And maybe change the title to "New information about outcast god? [spoilers]".
natuxatu
Well I'm glad the writer of Nightfall is doing what he said he was going to do. Tie up things from Prophices and Factions.. fleshing out the lore a little more. It's much appreciated to me.
l Marik l
"The largest volcano in the Ring of Fire Island Chain, Abaddon's Mouth is rumored to be the gateway into the Underworld. But only demons and devils would dare enter the fiery chasm. All other risk being burned to cinders before even getting to magma's edge."
That is the description of abbadons mouth on the pop up you get when you want to travel somewhere. If you look at it closly, it metions it being a possible dorway to the underworld. MAYBE, just maybe, the "underworld" here could actually mean the "realm of torment", where abbadon is supposed to be currently residing. If this is true, that would mean abbadons mouth is litterally the portal to get to the realm of torment, or Abbadon. It would certainly fit the title description. Also when you look at the physically area of abbadons mouth, it is very volcanic and dangerous area in its own right, a fitting place for a portal to a god whose name means doom.
Although, i dont know why the portal would be all the heck over on the ring of fire islands when the story takes place in Elona, so maybe this is just me rambling on about nothing
That is the description of abbadons mouth on the pop up you get when you want to travel somewhere. If you look at it closly, it metions it being a possible dorway to the underworld. MAYBE, just maybe, the "underworld" here could actually mean the "realm of torment", where abbadon is supposed to be currently residing. If this is true, that would mean abbadons mouth is litterally the portal to get to the realm of torment, or Abbadon. It would certainly fit the title description. Also when you look at the physically area of abbadons mouth, it is very volcanic and dangerous area in its own right, a fitting place for a portal to a god whose name means doom.
Although, i dont know why the portal would be all the heck over on the ring of fire islands when the story takes place in Elona, so maybe this is just me rambling on about nothing
Tobias Funke
For all you fellow nerds who've read "The Silmarillion" it sounds like Abaddon = Morgoth.
Urban_Nomad
*Begin epiphany*
Maybe the Titans are from the Realm of Torment?
*End epiphany*
Maybe the Titans are from the Realm of Torment?
*End epiphany*
Shoitaan
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Originally Posted by l Marik l
"The largest volcano in the Ring of Fire Island Chain, Abaddon's Mouth is rumored to be the gateway into the Underworld. But only demons and devils would dare enter the fiery chasm. All other risk being burned to cinders before even getting to magma's edge."
That is the description of abbadons mouth on the pop up you get when you want to travel somewhere. If you look at it closly, it metions it being a possible dorway to the underworld. MAYBE, just maybe, the "underworld" here could actually mean the "realm of torment", where abbadon is supposed to be currently residing. If this is true, that would mean abbadons mouth is litterally the portal to get to the realm of torment, or Abbadon. It would certainly fit the title description. Also when you look at the physically area of abbadons mouth, it is very volcanic and dangerous area in its own right, a fitting place for a portal to a god whose name means doom. Although, i dont know why the portal would be all the heck over on the ring of fire islands when the story takes place in Elona, so maybe this is just me rambling on about nothing |
Also, am I the only one thinking this?: TITANS ARE BACK!?!
Former Ruling
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"The largest volcano in the Ring of Fire Island Chain, Abaddon's Mouth is rumored to be the gateway into the Underworld. But only demons and devils would dare enter the fiery chasm. All other risk being burned to cinders before even getting to magma's edge."
That is the description of abbadons mouth on the pop up you get when you want to travel somewhere. If you look at it closly, it metions it being a possible dorway to the underworld. MAYBE, just maybe, the "underworld" here could actually mean the "realm of torment", where abbadon is supposed to be currently residing. If this is true, that would mean abbadons mouth is litterally the portal to get to the realm of torment, or Abbadon. It would certainly fit the title description. Also when you look at the physically area of abbadons mouth, it is very volcanic and dangerous area in its own right, a fitting place for a portal to a god whose name means doom. Although, i dont know why the portal would be all the heck over on the ring of fire islands when the story takes place in Elona, so maybe this is just me rambling on about nothing |
Underworld=Hell in Guild Wars. So of course it would be a mouth to the Underworld in lore.
Don't try to make it into more than it is
Mr_T_bot
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That reminds me of the City Of Villains main boss.
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Kai Nui
Abbadon = all the faces of the guy in RoF missions and shit, which is why there are Dwayna's Cursed and what not in there, all of the forgotten things are there that are outcast... ooooh I like this.
And that explains the new gray titan minipet as another factor. Also remember how the char worshipped the titans, that was pretty sweet too going back and seeing all the subliminal messages that you thought meant nothing, to later find out meant something...
And that explains the new gray titan minipet as another factor. Also remember how the char worshipped the titans, that was pretty sweet too going back and seeing all the subliminal messages that you thought meant nothing, to later find out meant something...
KingKryton
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Rera
All of you spelling it "Abbadon", the correct spelling is "Abaddon". You know, The Destroyer? Angel of the Bottomless Pit? Yeah, *that* Abaddon.
Omega X
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Abbadon literally means "Hell" (Realm of the Dead, like already said). So Abbadon's Mouth would literally be "The Mouth of Hell" or the "Hellmouth"
Underworld=Hell in Guild Wars. So of course it would be a mouth to the Underworld in lore. Don't try to make it into more than it is |
There are sections of the Underworld for good and bad spirits.
Also, There has been no known link to Abaddon being imprisoned in the Underworld.
Abaddon's Mouth was named after Abaddon because its the "suspected" very dangerous way into the Underworld. It hasn't been proven that a gateway into the Underworld exists there yet.
Also, on a side note. It's not known if the Titans were locked in a different dimension than the Underworld itself.
Lady Lozza
So now that the volcano has erupted...
RTSFirebat
Edited title of thread to remove spoiler from the title.
arcanemacabre
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Doh!
Omega X
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Ahh, thanks! Cause I really didn't want to know that Abaddon was the outcast god, yet.
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arcanemacabre
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I hope you totally avoided the Preview then...
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Rallick
So, considering that all campaigns might be somehow connected, it might be possible that braking the mursat seal in prophecies might have served a greater purpose than just releasing titans.
The sear look kind of reminds me of the various designs related to outcast god, might be more the coincidence. He did play a major role in defeating the mursat (providing protection from their attacks), and do be honest, I find it hard to believe that such ancient creature wouldn’t know about the titans (espessialy as they ware sealed away by the mursat, and he seemed to know a lot about them). It looked like he wanted the seal to be released, but definitely he didn’t care much about the liches plan
And one more thing, if the mursat was such a powerful and victorious race, why before the charr invasion ware the hiding? They weren’t afraid of humans, this one I’m pretty sure of that.
It would be kind off funny to realize that in prophecies we ware manipulated into destroying the only force that was protecting the word from the outcast god
P.S. do you think that dervish will get an avatar of Abaddon? He is a god after all, and on that pic he is wielding a scythe
The sear look kind of reminds me of the various designs related to outcast god, might be more the coincidence. He did play a major role in defeating the mursat (providing protection from their attacks), and do be honest, I find it hard to believe that such ancient creature wouldn’t know about the titans (espessialy as they ware sealed away by the mursat, and he seemed to know a lot about them). It looked like he wanted the seal to be released, but definitely he didn’t care much about the liches plan
And one more thing, if the mursat was such a powerful and victorious race, why before the charr invasion ware the hiding? They weren’t afraid of humans, this one I’m pretty sure of that.
It would be kind off funny to realize that in prophecies we ware manipulated into destroying the only force that was protecting the word from the outcast god
P.S. do you think that dervish will get an avatar of Abaddon? He is a god after all, and on that pic he is wielding a scythe
Avarre
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Abaddon's Mouth was named after Abaddon because its the "suspected" very dangerous way into the Underworld.
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Nobody said it was a portal letting you get there alive!
gr3g
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Or, more likely, it was called that because Abaddon's mouth would translate to the mouth of ruin. Abaddon as a name in chapter three likely wasn't conceptualized at that time.
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In Abaddon's Mouth was said to be the Door of Komalie. As this lore is being reprocessed in Nightfall, the question then is who or what was Komalie? I have two guesses that seem equally plausible to me. One is that Komalie was a High Priest of Abaddon's cult and his duty was to be the custodian to Abaddon's realm. The other guess is that Komalie is a location in the Realm of Torment which the Door leads to from Abaddon's Mouth. A long time ago (more than a year ago) the Ring of Fire islands were called Komalie's Rest -- is that a clue?
In the Blacktide Den mission General Kahyet says that "Abaddon will eat your eyes. Nightfall comes." From this we can surmise that blindness and darkness is somehow associated with him. I predict that there will be areas in the game with area of effect blindness so attacking classes better learn to deal damage without weapons (think: ripostes, traps, IW, etc.)
(Note: all speculation, of course.)
Avarre
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I am going to assume that this was all planned out years ago as it's more fun that way.
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Furthermore, would the gods imprison something to that depth only to allow direct access through a gate such as that? That goes against known motives and would require significantly more proof to make a statement on, especially as how the door was open and nothing more than the Titans were summoned out of it. When the Titans walked before, the Seer only speaks of the Titans and Armageddon Lord Titans causing havoc - if your theory was the case, the Seer would recall Abaddon walking - the Titans would be a practical afterthought.
Any actual Elona-Tyrian continent linkage is likely in retrospect and not planned.
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In the Blacktide Den mission General Kahyet says that "Abaddon will eat your eyes. Nightfall comes." From this we can surmise that blindness and darkness is somehow associated with him. I predict that there will be areas in the game with area of effect blindness so attacking classes better learn to deal damage without weapons (think: ripostes, traps, IW, etc.) (Note: all speculation, of course.) |
ramma77
GREAT ODIN'S RAVEN look at the size of that guy!!!11!!!
he's going hurt
he's going hurt
gr3g
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Is there evidence that worshippers of Abaddon moved extensively outside Elona, enough so to go where no human ever walked? No human has ever been told to make it past the beachhead of the Fire Islands, from natural predators and environmental hazards.
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About the Titans -- the Door of Komalie might be too small to let Abaddon through, but large enough to let creatures from the Realm of Torment enter Tyria. Assuming the Titans are from the RoT. (And if the Titans are from the RoT, and are worshipped by the Charr, then are the Charr also members of the Abaddon cult? Or used as grunts by the Abaddon cult?)
Avarre
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The Abaddon cult need not have been human to begin with -- think Margonites. Also, the reason the RoF islands are hostile to humans is because of the Mursaat.
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Also, the Margonites started as human. Evidence they would potentially have been immune to Spectral Agony through their compleation (yay for Phyrexian terms!) = not there.
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It's also more likely that if the five found him little trouble, they wouldn't care to go through a full eradication of him - rather than just throw him beyond reach. Look at Shiro (the other Envoys were as strong as him, he was a threat because he acted in the mortal realm outside their boundaries). It's harder to destroy a spirit of that strength that to put it eternally away. In the case of Dhumm, it was Grenth versus him to the death - nobody could be beat down enough to be banished.
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In other words, Abaddon is the embodiment of raw destructive power, which also explains why he had to be sealed away by the other five gods. About the Titans -- the Door of Komalie might be too small to let Abaddon through, but large enough to let creatures from the Realm of Torment enter Tyria. Assuming the Titans are from the RoT. (And if the Titans are from the RoT, and are worshipped by the Charr, then are the Charr also members of the Abaddon cult? Or used as grunts by the Abaddon cult?) |
Rallick
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There is such as thing as overanalysis. The charr worship fire, saw beings of fire, and worshipped them. Forumites have made them everything from this to servants of the Lich... stop it, they're just brutes that follow the Titans because of their love of fire.
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Avarre
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Actually, we don’t know much about Charr, stating that they are just brutes following their worship of fire, and thus worshipping Titans, is just another overanalysis, as we do not know much about charr past and culture. Considering that this is a speculative thread, everything we do here is based on assumption.
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Neriandal Freit
As a note to all, "To argue and debate with Avarre is the cost of your sanity, for mesmers are best at playing your own mind games".
Cheers! :P
Cheers! :P
Avarre
It's either despise the Lore threads, or move to conquer them, Neriandal
gr3g
Who's arguing? Avarre might personally despise all lore threads, but it's a demon of his/her own making.
Avarre
I wasn't aware shoddy logic, speculation, and opinion-based evidence had suddenly become virtues I should appreciate, gr3g.
EDIT : Not naming anyone who does the above, but don't. Retroactively, if you have done any of those, stop it.
EDIT : Not naming anyone who does the above, but don't. Retroactively, if you have done any of those, stop it.
Sujoy
in the first cinematic of NF, it showed the 6 eyed god(his statue on the floor)... Im pretty sure thats the concept art we saw