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Tuor Son Of Huor

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26 Sep 2006 at 23:41 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias Funke

For all you fellow nerds who've read "The Silmarillion" it sounds like Abaddon = Morgoth.

YES!

Also, lets remember that Morgoth (Melkor) was also chained and imprisoned behind the door of night. Why? for his crimes against the Valar, Eldar and the Edain. It is also said the he will return and his war will bring about the End of Days.

Sound familiar? Abaddon was probably into some nasty stuff and will be hugely pissed when he is released. War is Coming.

Praise Abaddon!

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

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Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

26 Sep 2006 at 23:42 - 82

In the nightfall pre release bonus pack there were other several pictures of a god like being, many people claim to be Abbadon. There are others, I believe, and I doubt we can confirm it yet.

Neriandal Freit

Forge Runner

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Spiral of The Red Rose, Kryta (Columbus, IN)

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

E/

26 Sep 2006 at 23:43 - 83

Abbie is not Dhummie, Dhummie is not Abbie.

Dhummie was destroyed by Grenth and Grenth wasn't a god.

Abbie is a banished god, banished by five gods. Dhummie is floating around, dead.

Now, to your destructive part. Yes, it's a possiblity that could fit with Abbie, but I'm sure it doesn't help he was sent to the Plane of Torment.

Solar Light

Frost Gate Guardian

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Teutonic Warriors {TW}

Mo/

27 Sep 2006 at 02:23 - 84

Obviously, im still not sure why the margonites would try to ascend if they serve abaddon... bu as far as the desert, they proly vaporised the sea away to make it the desert, but i doubt the storywriter for Nf missed the detials, so we will get it filled in when the times comes.

some guy

Jungle Guide

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SPAWN CAMPING YOUR HOUSE

We Speed Clear H O H [ HsC]

27 Sep 2006 at 02:58 - 85

Some 1 told me it's Abbadon

Tuor Son Of Huor

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27 Sep 2006 at 03:30 - 86

The outcast god IS Abbadon. That is made very clear in the Nightfall Preview Event. Spearmarshal Kormir SAYS the outcast god is abaddon.

Nortos

Ascalonian Squire

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Random Logic [rL]

W/A

27 Sep 2006 at 12:34 - 87

In theory then doesn't abadon mean another portal to the underworld and in theory it means that he is the god of the uw correct me if i am wrong but i thought that was grenth? Would be cool if he and this "chaotic god" had some interactions in nightfall.

Sorry :P eddited it

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

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Singapore Armed Forces

27 Sep 2006 at 13:45 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nortos

In theory then doesn't abbadon mean another portal to the underworld and in theory it means that he is the god of the uw correct me if i am wrong but i thought that was grenth?.

...

Also, its Abaddon, let's at least get spelling in here.

Shuuda

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Guildless

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28 Sep 2006 at 15:30 - 89

Praise the Evil one........what, that's me, nevermind.

The picture of the building guy looks "Final boss worth". I like the sound of this new guy, I hope he's more evil than Lich and shiro put together.

Steps Ascending

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Freelancing (Guildless)

28 Sep 2006 at 22:16 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuor Son Of Huor

YES!

Also, lets remember that Morgoth (Melkor) was also chained and imprisoned behind the door of night. Why? for his crimes against the Valar, Eldar and the Edain. It is also said the he will return and his war will bring about the End of Days.

Just so people don't start extrapolating too much, don't forget that Tolkien's work has inspired a lot of things, i'm sure if you looked deep enough you could find Silmarilion/LotR reference in star wars(Vador/Gaurthor, Voldemort/Nazgul anyone?). Even if GW has been inspired by Tolkien, it doesn't mean that it is a perfect copy or that it will follow the same storyline.

SkyHiRider

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28 Sep 2006 at 22:38 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solar Light

Obviously, im still not sure why the margonites would try to ascend if they serve abaddon... bu as far as the desert, they proly vaporised the sea away to make it the desert, but i doubt the storywriter for Nf missed the detials, so we will get it filled in when the times comes.

well maybe they believed that if they had ascended they could best the mursaat and open the door of komalie for the flameseeker prophecies to come to pass and mark the coming of abaddon and the new age of chaos.

Guildmaster Cain

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06 Oct 2006 at 11:37 - 92

Fact:

Hmm... in the lore of the Preorder pdf on the cd it says that the followers of the (nameless) 6th god battled the followers of the other gods. This devastated the battlegrounds and created the area now know as The Crystalline Desert.

Speculation from this point:
For easy lets say the gods name is Abbadon, though names dont really matter. If you look at the armor of the Enchanted Armors in the Crystal Desert, they resemble the Mursaat armor pieces. Probably the Forgotten animated these armors from the fallen, during the war with the 6th god. Thus implying that the Mursaat were in this war as well, since their armors have been found. Probably this is the war where they defeated the Seer's race. The only problem is, on which side do they both stand? And maybe there aren't two sides, but three.
How does Glint and Kuunavang fit into this? You can't say that the Seer's are a friendly race, since their ally, Glint is a mysterious personality with a seemingly own agenda. Kuunavang was 'corrupted' (willingly if you ask me), by a low life like Shiro, so other highpowered creatures (dragons, gods, demigods) could be corrupted as well.

There was also the speculation that the Seers were the same as the Margonites, which means their adversaries were the Mursaat, maybe defending and fighting for the five gods. That or they were just a 3rd party in the battle of the gods. But keep in mind, they did want to stop you from opening the Door of Komalie, which might be a door to Abbadon, a defeated enemy of theirs.

GLINT = EVIL

shrouded^god

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843

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06 Oct 2006 at 19:24 - 93

One word....Gwen...

DarthLasing

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08 Oct 2006 at 05:09 - 94

Hmm. I didn't get very far in preview event. Interesting dialouge though.

Silly Warrior

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In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

08 Oct 2006 at 19:38 - 95

It's Abbadon, just get it straight....

I'll bet like 100k its Abbadon.

Silly Warrior

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In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

08 Oct 2006 at 19:38 - 96

It's Abbadon, just get it straight....

I'll bet like 100k its Abbadon.

Giga Strike

Wilds Pathfinder

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stranded in vabbi this time

None [N/A]

08 Oct 2006 at 23:39 - 97

ill bet all my characters, all my items, money, and all the money or items i will ever get that the outcast god is abbadon.

Tuor Son Of Huor

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09 Oct 2006 at 07:24 - 98

I actually believe that the Margonites were the predecessors of the Mursaat.

Kabale

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Portrayors of Valour [pV]

10 Oct 2006 at 15:41 - 99

Quote:

Could Abaddon (Dhuum) be manifest of all five gods? He is wielding a sythe reminiscent of a Dervish who can also become an avatar of a certain god. Perhaps Abaddon had the power of all the gods and thus this is why he was so destructive - perhaps the powers of all the gods combined makes chaos and this is why they are in seperate forms. If you want to go a bit further and have fun with speculation, perhaps Abaddon is the father of the five gods and thus encompasses all their powers, however, they didn't like this and overthrew him - sort of like Zeus overthrowing Chronus. Arenanet should really make a movie for Guild Wars They are doing it with Halo, why not Guild Wars?

As I didn't play the preview weekend much, I don't know if this is already known...but I heard that bosses can change professions during battle? In which case this sounds kinda viable-ish.

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ill bet all my characters, all my items, money, and all the money or items i will ever get that the outcast god is abbadon.

Nice, cos it's actually Abaddon.

<<-- IGN. Pm me

PanGammon

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The Underworld

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Mo/Me

10 Oct 2006 at 19:42 - 100

Might even be Menzies. Balthazaar's half brother? The guy who controls the Shadow Army? The Demi-God wannabe?

The Fallen One

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Mo/

11 Oct 2006 at 00:55 - 101

It's obviously Abbadon, from the phrase in the Beta Nightfall Preveiw event after beating the Second mission in the area Joknaur Diggings a clipscene comes up where the Warmarshel of Kourna and her advisor both chant "Abbadon Rise". I personally think they have had this almost planned for a god little bit of time. If you look at a picture in the pre-order booklet you wil see a picture of the current Warmashel set above a picture of a structure surrounded by the tendrels much like those surrounding the tomb of the Primeval Kings, a previous portal into the MIsts, and now one into the Underworld, implying the Abbadon has been struggling to get released for quite some time. Also many of the green items that the bosses drop at the end could possibly be insight into those who died in the war in the Crystal Desert. Just a theory of course, but all I can say is I want my tombs back, that place was ownage XD

Terra Xin

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New Zealand

Me/R

16 Oct 2006 at 21:37 - 102

The spelling is Abaddon... looks like someone owes 100k... *looks at Silly Warrior* Pay up, come on.

/I couldn't gain access to GWiki, this is the next best thing

Mesmer in Need

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

[ToA]

16 Oct 2006 at 23:56 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terra Xin

The spelling is Abaddon... looks like someone owes 100k... *looks at Silly Warrior* Pay up, come on.

/I couldn't gain access to GWiki, this is the next best thing

ok so with the link above it says that menzies controls the shadow army in the fow. then balthazars army would be the players that enter, and ragnastin the eternal. The forgemaster would also be a servant of balthazar(making all his amour for free).

Next thing
so what are the ghosts in the crystal desert? they tried to ascend, but they died trying to get through elona reach (like most ppl). is this connected to the magronites and the ancient war? And what about ascension? Really, in the lore, what does ascension do to you?

This isnt really connected, but what are the ectos and shards? are they like a gift from grenth/balth?

One last thing. when you get to the rof, you will see all the "(god name) cursed" running around. why are they cursed by these gods? what did they do?

Neriandal Freit

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Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

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17 Oct 2006 at 00:46 - 104

Lyssa's Cursed, Grenth's Cursed?

That is areally good question that I've pondered but has never been really answered as of yet. We don't really know do we?

Now, we do know that Chapter 3 will tie up alot of loose ends that we have questions about from Chapter 1's Crystal Desert we see and have access too.

Things like the --- Cursed beings we face in the Fire Islands, well, that could be a while more.

Timeless Logic

Academy Page

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Behind you.

The Way Of Zerthimon (TWOZ)

17 Oct 2006 at 04:17 - 105

It would make sense that Abaddon would be the figure of contention, as he is portrayed across many mythologies as a fallen deity or prophet. He is also referenced in many games as a bringer of the end of days. This makes him seem somewhat like Satan, but from what I understand he operates almost solely in the mortal realm. So yes, he is very much like Morgoth from the Silmarillion in many respects. In addition to being a philologist (scholar of linguistics, specifically the manipulation of languages), Tolkien was very spiritual yet antidogmatic. These attributes in tandem allowed him to write of evil and good with a fair bit of objectivity. His writings have had an immense influence on the realm of fantasy, and I would think Guild Wars is no exception. My experience shows me that Tyrian and Canthan prophecies, as far as characterization is concerned, seem to hold that same subtle objectivity. Maybe it's better labeled as acceptance of destiny, but the style remains.

Now that I'm off that tangent, I'll try to shed some light on Abaddon's position from a grammatical standpoint. Abaddon comes from the Hebrew "Avadon," meaning "destruction." He appears in Revelation 9:11 as a demon and "Angel of the Abyss." His name is also used in Satanism, where it also means "destruction." Now, what does this have to do with Guild Wars?

The coming of Abaddon is told in a fashion much similar to Revelation, a dark yet objective style similar to that of Tolkien. The storyline, as far as I've seen, also mirrors much of Revelation in terms of content. ArenaNet, albeit a division of Korean-based NCSoft, is a western company, and it makes sense for them to tell the story in such a way. The fact that Abaddon is an outcast, while not directly stated in Revelation, makes sense based on his title "Angel of the Abyss."

That's just my two cents. There's a good chance we're all mistaken about a great many things, but it's still fun to speculate. If anyone can prove me wrong or make me look like an idiot, please do so.

I would rather be embarassed once than wrong over and over.

Just to reiterate, the correct spelling is "Abaddon."

Sources:
Wikipedia Article
GuildWiki Article

Wikis are unreliable at best, so I also checked a Hebrew dictionary and scanned Revelation.

Guildmaster Cain

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17 Oct 2006 at 08:35 - 106

About the spelling: go to Tyria, press M, scroll to fire island chain and look at the name of the before last mission...

TiggerDeathDagger

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Light of the Star Fire

Mo/Me

21 Oct 2006 at 14:10 - 107

Good Point Rera

Seissor

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22 Oct 2006 at 14:05 - 108

Hokay, well there is a little Bunny in pre-searing..on a hill. Now said bunny cant be charmed....or killed.

And I draw your attention to monty pythons holy grail, the holy grail in the desert

Elona is a desert kinda place.

6 is my lucky number, 6th god, desert bunny, cant be killed bunny, my nickname is bunny...

Thus, the sixth god is that pre-searing bunny.

I have solved your mystery.

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

Thomas.knbk

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

22 Oct 2006 at 15:37 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seissor

Hokay, well there is a little Bunny in pre-searing..on a hill. Now said bunny cant be charmed....or killed.

And I draw your attention to monty pythons holy grail, the holy grail in the desert

Elona is a desert kinda place.

6 is my lucky number, 6th god, desert bunny, cant be killed bunny, my nickname is bunny...

Thus, the sixth god is that pre-searing bunny.

I have solved your mystery.

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

OH NOES!!11!!!1!

Mesmer in Need

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22 Oct 2006 at 16:58 - 110

rotflol

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Crys of Frustration [Cry]

N/Mo

22 Oct 2006 at 18:14 - 111

ok so every campaign involves someone powerful dying for someon evil to gain power. Rurik and Togo

Now, Abaddon takes Gwen's soul from UW and takes her soul to gain power to kill the gods. Since it was a soul from UW he gains more power than from Togo or Rurik.

This either sounds really stupid or really logical :P

Mesmer in Need

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[ToA]

23 Oct 2006 at 01:04 - 112

dear god, i think he has someting!! actually, you're close. during the searing, gwen was captured by the charr, and cursed. when she died(yes it was possible) her spirit got trapped in the flute. when it got broken, so did her soul. like the lich in prophecies though, a powerfull guy takes the flute( similar to the sceptar of orr) and fixed the flute, restoring gwen. but gewn killed the evil guy and took his body. now you have to kill the evil killer gwen thingy.

Giga Strike

Wilds Pathfinder

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stranded in vabbi this time

None [N/A]

23 Oct 2006 at 13:49 - 113

wtf makes u think any of that is true?

lubu512000

Pre-Searing Cadet

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Henderson NC

Soilders Of Akadama [SOA]

R/W

23 Oct 2006 at 14:42 - 114

someone posted it earlier that mabye the Margonites tried to open the door of komalie and start the flameseeker phrpocies, mabye thats why they were in the desert, so they could ascend and deal with the murrsat and there powers ( powers being spectral agony, 100 damage every second for x amount of seconds x_x) i believe that thing that infuses your armor ( forgot the name ?_?) was working with the margonites, remember the mission where you go to get infused the party leader ''why are you helping us'' and it gets all mad then tells you it has its own reasons for helping you, kind of suspicious huh o_O'')

Miss Glads

Ascalonian Squire

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23 Oct 2006 at 15:40 - 115

I don't know if this has allready been said but the outcast god, Dhuum was defeated by Grenth, making him an outcast. also Dhuum is pronounced 'doom' the Hebrew meaning of Abaddon, and seeing as Nightfall will have a north african theme (egypt and the like) this is also where the Jewish religion was created, i.e Hebrew

Neriandal Freit

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23 Oct 2006 at 18:03 - 116

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Glads

I don't know if this has allready been said but the outcast god, Dhuum was defeated by Grenth, making him an outcast. also Dhuum is pronounced 'doom' the Hebrew meaning of Abaddon, and seeing as Nightfall will have a north african theme (egypt and the like) this is also where the Jewish religion was created, i.e Hebrew

This is why Avarre doesn't post in these topics.

Dhuum was defeated and destroyed by Grenth. What remains of Dhuum's reign of the Underworld are basically the Four Horsemen.

Marz08

Pre-Searing Cadet

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In a House

Eight Deadly [Sins]

A/E

24 Oct 2006 at 23:32 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seissor

Hokay, well there is a little Bunny in pre-searing..on a hill. Now said bunny cant be charmed....or killed.

And I draw your attention to monty pythons holy grail, the holy grail in the desert

Elona is a desert kinda place.

6 is my lucky number, 6th god, desert bunny, cant be killed bunny, my nickname is bunny...

Thus, the sixth god is that pre-searing bunny.

I have solved your mystery.

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

I agree wit this for sure.That bunny was a spy and was decieving us alll along! This could also be the reason why gwens items are scattered from ascalon too the crystal desert. The bunny needed the power of gwens flute for total domination and the cape for the cover of nightfall!

Mesmer in Need

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25 Oct 2006 at 00:05 - 118

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Guildmaster Cain

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25 Oct 2006 at 11:06 - 120

Dont despair fellow worldwellers... I have already cought this god in a cage, he will never escape from. Unless someone travels to Shing Jae Island and lets it escape... Yes there are those ignorant enough to trigger such disastrous events...

And btw: Gwen never died, she will be the unique hero everyone gets for completing Prophesies. Dont know what the unique hero is for Factions yet...