What is it with Barrage Rangers?
Age
What is it with Barrage Rangers everytime I am in a mission outpost they always say Barrage?I would use s different elite such as Punishing or Cripshot I just don't understand what make Barrage a great elite as lots or Rangers use it.I know lots use it with a pet as well sometimes they don't.
Evilsod
Why cripshot :S That skill absolutely sucks for PvE.
Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).
Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me.
Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).
Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me.
lennymon
because its like multishot in diablo right?
heh
I used to use it all the time too, then I played other builds, and then more builds, and now there are exactly 2 places I play that use barrage (plus low level areas - lol). In general spike/interrupt/glass arrows, cripshot build, toucher build 1-14, I got a great spirit spammer build, pure beastmaster.
long story short, barrage is a great skill, and one that has a lot of similarities to the popularity of the fiery dragon sword.
heh
I used to use it all the time too, then I played other builds, and then more builds, and now there are exactly 2 places I play that use barrage (plus low level areas - lol). In general spike/interrupt/glass arrows, cripshot build, toucher build 1-14, I got a great spirit spammer build, pure beastmaster.
long story short, barrage is a great skill, and one that has a lot of similarities to the popularity of the fiery dragon sword.
andrewf
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Why cripshot :S That skill absolutely sucks for PvE.
Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).
Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me.
It is obvious that you have never ever use a full BM build before..
pet can do a hell lot of damage and tank pretty damn well in almost every mission
Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).
Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me.
It is obvious that you have never ever use a full BM build before..
pet can do a hell lot of damage and tank pretty damn well in almost every mission
Maria The Princess
Barrage is a pass everywhere build.
the thing about most ranger builds is that most of them require CHOOSING the enemy and THINKING.
a barrage ranger doesnt have much thinking and choosing to do, all he does is spam barrage and when things go bad self defence. and the rest of the party is happy because its a constand damage output (unline nukers that might ran out of enebrgy or get interrupted) that does not trigger AOE and is controlled by the player.
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the thing about most ranger builds is that most of them require CHOOSING the enemy and THINKING.
a barrage ranger doesnt have much thinking and choosing to do, all he does is spam barrage and when things go bad self defence. and the rest of the party is happy because its a constand damage output (unline nukers that might ran out of enebrgy or get interrupted) that does not trigger AOE and is controlled by the player.
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now for full BM builds, no place for barrage in there, you should know it if you are such an expert
Former Ruling
Barrage is a nice elite anywhere, alot of ranger elites require alot of other factors...
Munanko Roha
Nice elite but not that great.
A good Ranger would be far more useful using other elites except maybe in places like Vizuna's Square. I really think that complete disruption of the most dangerous enemy would be way more beneficial to a group than 6 arrows fired randomly in a bunch of mobs...
A good Ranger would be far more useful using other elites except maybe in places like Vizuna's Square. I really think that complete disruption of the most dangerous enemy would be way more beneficial to a group than 6 arrows fired randomly in a bunch of mobs...
QoH
barrage sucks, only dealing 250+ dmg with every spam is bs, take Marksman's Wager instead, much better
Cebe
I like barrage...but I also like Enraged Lunge!
"Bite him, Colonel, Bit him!"
"Bite him, Colonel, Bit him!"
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess
Evilsod is right, if the party is not a full B/P party, pet does not compliment the ranger.
now for full BM builds, no place for barrage in there, you should know it if you are such an expert Yeah i phrased it badly... pets go with lone Barragers about as well as Primal Rage does with an Elementalist. And if your running BM then you should be running a BM elite, Enraged Lunge for example.
Vizunah is a bit of an odd place when it comes to Barrage. Ironically even with massive groups of enemies attacking its not the best elite there. Oath Shot is. Oath Shot trapping Vizunah makes for pure chaos, things always appear in the same place...
now for full BM builds, no place for barrage in there, you should know it if you are such an expert Yeah i phrased it badly... pets go with lone Barragers about as well as Primal Rage does with an Elementalist. And if your running BM then you should be running a BM elite, Enraged Lunge for example.
Vizunah is a bit of an odd place when it comes to Barrage. Ironically even with massive groups of enemies attacking its not the best elite there. Oath Shot is. Oath Shot trapping Vizunah makes for pure chaos, things always appear in the same place...
Frank Dudenstein
Remember, this is PvE we're talking about. PvE boils down to outputting as much damage as possible as fast and as constant as possible. Barrage does this better than any other Ranger elite in most situations.
All of the things that make rangers unique ... interrupts, cripple, degen, etc etc are cute and fun, but pale to pure damage in PvE.
If you want to have fun with your ranger, get your butt over to PvP!
All of the things that make rangers unique ... interrupts, cripple, degen, etc etc are cute and fun, but pale to pure damage in PvE.
If you want to have fun with your ranger, get your butt over to PvP!
Sir Mad
It has been said before but many rangers use barrage all the time for 2 reasons:
1/ most of the PUGs don't know about rangers. They only heard about 2 builds: barrage and trapper. So that's what they look for (even if it's completely useless in the specific mission).
2/ rangers are barragers as necros are MM or eles are echo nukers or warriors are tanks. The build name doesn't mean anything (except in the case of MM) as it only refers to 2 or 3 skills (and the 5 or 6 other skills are obviously what makes the difference), but PUGs want that "because it's good", and rangers use this build because they can call themselves barrager once they have capped one elite and keep pressing C and barrage. In many missions it will still do the job, but just look at the very few missions in GW requiering a very specific build to complete it. Unwaking Waters for example. How many times have I tried it with PUGs telling them we needed someone with that build, and not the cookie cutters builds? Usually they just don't care, die, go again with the same build that can't beat the mission, and call you a noob when you say you don't want to attempt the mission with this build. Unfortunately, that's how many players are.
1/ most of the PUGs don't know about rangers. They only heard about 2 builds: barrage and trapper. So that's what they look for (even if it's completely useless in the specific mission).
2/ rangers are barragers as necros are MM or eles are echo nukers or warriors are tanks. The build name doesn't mean anything (except in the case of MM) as it only refers to 2 or 3 skills (and the 5 or 6 other skills are obviously what makes the difference), but PUGs want that "because it's good", and rangers use this build because they can call themselves barrager once they have capped one elite and keep pressing C and barrage. In many missions it will still do the job, but just look at the very few missions in GW requiering a very specific build to complete it. Unwaking Waters for example. How many times have I tried it with PUGs telling them we needed someone with that build, and not the cookie cutters builds? Usually they just don't care, die, go again with the same build that can't beat the mission, and call you a noob when you say you don't want to attempt the mission with this build. Unfortunately, that's how many players are.
Commander Ryker
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Originally Posted by Munanko Roha
Nice elite but not that great.
A good Ranger would be far more useful using other elites except maybe in places like Vizuna's Square. I really think that complete disruption of the most dangerous enemy would be way more beneficial to a group than 6 arrows fired randomly in a bunch of mobs... There are 2 interrupts that are not elites that you can equip with barrage, distracting shot being the best, imo. So there is no need to sacrifice one for the other.
Besides the fact that barrage hits multiple foes, it also hits for + (1-13) damage. So, if it's only one foe left, you're still hitting at + damage.
I almost always bring Orson (my Lynx) with me. The only time I don't is if it's a place he is getting killed constantly. As andrewf said, they are great tanks and can do a lot of damage and with the new skill Poisonous Bite, you no longer need to bring Apply Poison or the elite Poison Arrow.
I also love how he comes running back to me after we've killed everything, looking very pleased with himself.
A good Ranger would be far more useful using other elites except maybe in places like Vizuna's Square. I really think that complete disruption of the most dangerous enemy would be way more beneficial to a group than 6 arrows fired randomly in a bunch of mobs... There are 2 interrupts that are not elites that you can equip with barrage, distracting shot being the best, imo. So there is no need to sacrifice one for the other.
Besides the fact that barrage hits multiple foes, it also hits for + (1-13) damage. So, if it's only one foe left, you're still hitting at + damage.
I almost always bring Orson (my Lynx) with me. The only time I don't is if it's a place he is getting killed constantly. As andrewf said, they are great tanks and can do a lot of damage and with the new skill Poisonous Bite, you no longer need to bring Apply Poison or the elite Poison Arrow.
I also love how he comes running back to me after we've killed everything, looking very pleased with himself.
Tiny Killer
While Barrage is far form the "End-all, Be-all" skill of the ranger class, it most certainly has its place. Let me think, +17 damage at a cost of 0-2 energy. Yep, I can see using that from time to time.
Commander Ryker
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Originally Posted by Tiny Killer
While Barrage is far form the "End-all, Be-all" skill of the ranger class, it most certainly has its place. Let me think, +17 damage at a cost of 0-2 energy. Yep, I can see using that from time to time.
Plus, it has a fast recharge.
Sir Mad
Nobody said barrage is not a good skill. It is when the monsters are grouped. But I definitely say that going through the whole game with a barrage build (let alone B/P build) is stupid and only shows such a player doesn't have enough experience to adapt his build to the environement.
Honnestly, don't you laugh when you see a B/P ranger (with generally 1 BM so the pet is really usefull) in a competitive mission? Or in Imperial Sanctum?
Honnestly, don't you laugh when you see a B/P ranger (with generally 1 BM so the pet is really usefull) in a competitive mission? Or in Imperial Sanctum?
Nivryx
sometimes i just say im barrage just to get a group and then 'forget' to set my skills. =D
mathijn
barrage and aflicted are fun^^
aflicted monk uses retribution, you barrage some targets, dang 80dmg each arrow
dang 162 dmg for you......
way 2 go barrage ranger=D
aflicted monk uses retribution, you barrage some targets, dang 80dmg each arrow
dang 162 dmg for you......
way 2 go barrage ranger=D
My Sweet Revenga
I attribute it mostly to laziness. You can spam the barrage key all day and keep outputting consistant damage. Add in power shot or hunter shot and 2 distract type shots, troll unguent, and throw dirt and you have a build that can handle the majority of situations. I imagine ranger builds will start to be more diverse when nightfall comes out and the quick change templates are enabled. Fiddling with skills all day is probably a chore for most who just wanna go in and do some damage. Personally, I think barrage could have easily been poison shot and then you'd have a bazillion rangers running P/P builds (hee hee, I said PP). But nope. Tomb of primeval kings turned B/P into the legendary build and newbie rangers never looked back.
Franco
Tigers fury good with barrage too.
Black Ops Ranger
Reasons:
1) Easy Skill to cap (right in the mission)
2) Hit more than one target
3) Gives decent bonus damage (notice i say decent)
4) Spammable (nuff said)
and if you have a good tank there are always grouped enemies
Yes i am a barrage ranger
1) Easy Skill to cap (right in the mission)
2) Hit more than one target
3) Gives decent bonus damage (notice i say decent)
4) Spammable (nuff said)
and if you have a good tank there are always grouped enemies
Yes i am a barrage ranger
priapism18
It's not always about pure DMG output. Why not try an interupt build? Denying a monk healing a mob can alot of times result in the group going down much faster . Mob dying faster = Less Dmg done to your party.....Punishing Shot or BHA anyone?
Commander Ryker
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Originally Posted by priapism18
It's not always about pure DMG output. Why not try an interupt build? Denying a monk healing a mob can alot of times result in the group going down much faster . Mob dying faster = Less Dmg done to your party.....Punishing Shot or BHA anyone?
It's not like you can't load interrupts in your skill bar if you have barrage. I always carry distracting shot and if there are going to be a lot of ele's, I also bring savage shot. I like distracting shot better tho because it will lengthen recharge time on the skill you interrupt.
priapism18
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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker
It's not like you can't load interrupts in your skill bar if you have barrage. I always carry distracting shot and if there are going to be a lot of ele's, I also bring savage shot. I like distracting shot better tho because it will lengthen recharge time on the skill you interrupt.
Most Barragers bring a few interupts but can't usually hit them when they should because they are too busy spamming..1...1..1.1.1..1.1..1.1.....1......
Most Barragers bring a few interupts but can't usually hit them when they should because they are too busy spamming..1...1..1.1.1..1.1..1.1.....1......
ss1986v2
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Originally Posted by priapism18
Most Barragers bring a few interupts but can't usually hit them when they should because they are too busy spamming..1...1..1.1.1..1.1..1.1.....1......
yeah, we have all seen bad players in gw before, including but not limited to barrage rangers.
one thing that has been brought up before in past threads is the risk/reward element of having a bad barrage ranger in a pug. a horrible barrage ranger is still going to be adding something to the team, ever so slight it might be. while a horrible tank or monk can quickly doom a team: monk using meteor shower ftl!
if i had to choose between a pug spammin barrage or letting him use whatever crazy ass build he put together (a ranger with golem and minions, oh yes, ive seen it!), give me 1...1...1...1... any day. still, this says more to pugs then to barrage. any decent ranger can figure out a decent build without barrage, but it is still a nice fall-back skill when ya need it.
one thing that has been brought up before in past threads is the risk/reward element of having a bad barrage ranger in a pug. a horrible barrage ranger is still going to be adding something to the team, ever so slight it might be. while a horrible tank or monk can quickly doom a team: monk using meteor shower ftl!
if i had to choose between a pug spammin barrage or letting him use whatever crazy ass build he put together (a ranger with golem and minions, oh yes, ive seen it!), give me 1...1...1...1... any day. still, this says more to pugs then to barrage. any decent ranger can figure out a decent build without barrage, but it is still a nice fall-back skill when ya need it.
TadaceAce
Lol look at it this way, barrage ranger is basically a dervish with no skills.
Sir Mad
Err I have tested dervishes during the PvP even only, but they were not able to throw their scythe out of the aggro range when I played them :roll:
wilebill
Barrage is useful, just depending on what you will be shooting at. Yesterday I henched up from Camp Rancor to Beacons Perch. I went without pet, took a spike trap, couple interrupts, Kindle Arrows. On that trip, Barrage really worked well, because the mobs liked to group together on the hench fighters.
Other areas, though, where the mob remains spaced out, Barrage is useless.
Other areas, though, where the mob remains spaced out, Barrage is useless.
Skuld
Insightful, ty 
Bloodied Blade
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Originally Posted by priapism18
It's not always about pure DMG output. Why not try an interupt build? Denying a monk healing a mob can alot of times result in the group going down much faster . Mob dying faster = Less Dmg done to your party.....Punishing Shot or BHA anyone?
Or you could rely on your assassin to do their job and kill the monk while you neutralize other casters. Broad Head Arrow does that very well in the ascension mission.
Age
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Originally Posted by wilebill
Barrage is useful, just depending on what you will be shooting at. Yesterday I henched up from Camp Rancor to Beacons Perch. I went without pet, took a spike trap, couple interrupts, Kindle Arrows. On that trip, Barrage really worked well, because the mobs liked to group together on the hench fighters.
Other areas, though, where the mob remains spaced out, Barrage is useless. I was trying Barrage out agian as I used it before but wasn't to keen on it but I noticed it cancels out read of the wind and kindle.I saw in close group you can shoot them in multiple of targets sort of like 100 blades.I didn't know it would cancel out RoW and Kindle as well as Apply Poison.What would be the reasoning behind it?
Other areas, though, where the mob remains spaced out, Barrage is useless. I was trying Barrage out agian as I used it before but wasn't to keen on it but I noticed it cancels out read of the wind and kindle.I saw in close group you can shoot them in multiple of targets sort of like 100 blades.I didn't know it would cancel out RoW and Kindle as well as Apply Poison.What would be the reasoning behind it?
I Brother Bloood I
If it didnt cancel out preperations it would be to overpowered. Barrage barely takes any skill i say take broadhead arrow or melandrus shot those are my favorite pve skills.
Jahuta
Meh. Barrage is highly overrated. I use it at times, but the masses that do never use it in conjunction with other skills that make it useful. IE- Vamperic weapons, Conjure X element, Vigorus Spirit.... Skills that add extra benefits to it.
Orange Milk
When I solo I barrage, And I use it in conjuction with other things.
There are few other times I do use it though.
It, like each and every skill, has its place.
Oh yeah, and if your worried about it killing off you preps take Favorable winds, or Brutal Weapon, or Judges Insight, those all work.
There are few other times I do use it though.
It, like each and every skill, has its place.
Oh yeah, and if your worried about it killing off you preps take Favorable winds, or Brutal Weapon, or Judges Insight, those all work.
Linkusmax
Splinter Weapon FTW!
Well99
There is nothing wrong with Barrage.It's good for mobs and it all about preference.If you are going into a area where there isnt alot of mobs I use poison arrow.I always carry interrupt and bring a pet.Why?Because I can.Since I use mostly hench to do missions I manage to do mission and not get killed.Benefit of not playing along side of know it alls.
It is all preference.For some that maybe hard to understand.Try Google.
It is all preference.For some that maybe hard to understand.Try Google.
pingu666
consistant multi target damage, cheap cost, spamable. even for *sustained* damage against a single foe its good.
i normaly run
interupt/called shot
barrage
Feral Lunge
poison bite
pet healy thing
charm animal
healing breeze
res chant
i normaly run
interupt/called shot
barrage
Feral Lunge
poison bite
pet healy thing
charm animal
healing breeze
res chant
Carth`
It's a good skill. Personally I think it even needs a nerf. Six arrows that all deal extra damage, 1 sec recharge, very small amount of energy. If it wasn't massively overused you wouldn't question it.
But I don't like the "curse" rangers have in PvE, it seems non-ranger classes think barrage is the only thing you can play, so getting a group can be hard. "Barrage ranger" certainly isn't a password into a group, and in fact as a ranger I have been kicked before to make room for a "tank" or "nuker". ffs... their loss. I can kill stuff faster than both, and survive better. I love playing interrupt ranger, and I love dazed.
But I don't like the "curse" rangers have in PvE, it seems non-ranger classes think barrage is the only thing you can play, so getting a group can be hard. "Barrage ranger" certainly isn't a password into a group, and in fact as a ranger I have been kicked before to make room for a "tank" or "nuker". ffs... their loss. I can kill stuff faster than both, and survive better. I love playing interrupt ranger, and I love dazed.
Program Ftw
Crip-Shot is near useless in PvE.
Barrage can hit up to 6 targets. PvE has Mobs, mobs normally have around 6 or more monsters, you see the brain logic there?
Barrage can hit up to 6 targets. PvE has Mobs, mobs normally have around 6 or more monsters, you see the brain logic there?
Thom Bangalter
barrage is easy to pug and is always useful. Plus they're carrying two interrupts which is good, plus every other ranger elite kinda sucks in pve, plus you get added aoe damage which is nice at getting through missions fast.
When I pve with my ranger, I don't think I've ever changed his bar through the entire game, and just running around putting up whirling and spamming 1 means I can do other stuff while doing some long boring mission (particularly any mission in phrophecies), like watch tv.
When I pve with my ranger, I don't think I've ever changed his bar through the entire game, and just running around putting up whirling and spamming 1 means I can do other stuff while doing some long boring mission (particularly any mission in phrophecies), like watch tv.