Guild Wars Nightfall: Map switching going to be any "smarter"?

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TsunamiZ
Wilds Pathfinder
#1
In Guild Wars Nightfall, is map switching going to be any "smarter"? Guild Wars touts that its town hopping system is "instant", etc. But since the expansions have been added on, there has been no more instant town hopping. People are now forced to jump to only a few main towns to change maps before being allowed to switch to many more specific towns--which is very slow and becomes aggravating with frequent use. The Factions town hopping system seems like a sloppy last-minute implementation that detracts from the original town hopping concept. If Anet doesn't want to bother with merging all continents into one giant map where people can pan and instantly hop to their desired town of any chapter / continent, at least create an option to choose a map / continent for display BEFORE players need to click on a town--it will save a lot of redundant work / loading time.

In the first Guild Wars game, it used to be one main map for everything [and it was instant town hoping]:

tyria

Here is the current mess of places that now often suffer from indirect switching / loading [since expansions have been added]:

> tyria > cantha > elona > pvp island > alliance battles >
Chuba
Chuba
Lion's Arch Merchant
#2
Agreed, I hate hopping to Kaineng Center when coming to Cantha as it's always so laggy.
AW Lore
AW Lore
Jungle Guide
#3
gees.

from tyria clicking on the boat
Tyria>Cantha>House zu heltzer
Cantha>Tyria>Droknars forge
Tyria>Elona> kamadan
Cantha>Elona>kamadan
Elona>Tyria>Droknars
Elona>Cantha>House Zu heltzer
Tyria/Cantha/Elona>pvp islands>Ra/TA/HA
Tyria/Cantha/Elona>Guild Hall>ABs
is really that difficult to click 3 times?
gamecube187
gamecube187
Wilds Pathfinder
#4
Quote:
Originally Posted by AW Lore
gees.

from tyria clicking on the boat
Tyria>Cantha>House zu heltzer
Cantha>Tyria>Droknars forge
Tyria>Elona> kamadan
Cantha>Elona>kamadan
Elona>Tyria>Droknars
Elona>Cantha>House Zu heltzer
Tyria/Cantha/Elona>pvp islands>Ra/TA/HA
Tyria/Cantha/Elona>Guild Hall>ABs
is really that difficult to click 3 times?
For some people with the slower comps (who I've heard can take up to 5 min when loading an area that they have already been to), clicking three times to go to different places would take up to 15 min, which seems like a huge waste of time. It would help them a lot.

Also, it is anoying having to zone to different places. Especially if I am in factions and decide to buy a skill in prophecies for the town I am in. Then I have to go to LA. If I have ember camp on that char, then I can go there, but if I don't, then I have to do even more zoning to try to find the skill. Once I get the skill, I get to go to kainenge. Then I get to go back to the mission. And often, when I go back to the mission, then I relize that I need another skill, or that I got the wrong one (hey, it has happened a few times before when I wasn't paying attention), and then I get to go and zone back some more.

It won't be that hard to merge the maps either.

And the best part, at least IMHO, is that the maps will look like a world! We can accually see the world our characters live in if they merge the maps! Now maybe not all the world, but at least all of it that we can at least get access to. It just seems to me like tyria, cantha, and soon to be elona are on completely different planets that we can magically get to by boat. With the merging of the maps, it will finally seem to me like they accually are together, on one planet.

And like I've said before in other threads, there are plenty of ways to make it so you can't get access to chapters you don't have access keys for.

One of those ways is that once you add the access key, then the main town that you would normally travel to by boat (at least with out current setup) is avalible, but only if you add the access key and get the quest that the access key makes avalible. Before you add teh access key and get the quest, you have no towns avalible from that chapter, and you can't get into someones party and have that person take you there because everyone without that town on their map will be left behind, or it will say something like "can't travel there because not everyone in the party has access to that town"

Another way is that as soon as you add the access key, it adds a quest to travel to a different continent. You then do the quest and it brings you there and once you get there, then it is on your map and you have access to that chapter. Basically the same as how it is know, just the maps are merged. Oh, and you can't get into someones party that has the quest and have them bring you there because if someone doesn't have the quest and has never been there, then it will say something like "can't travel there because not everyone in the party has access to that town". (just like I said earlier)

I don't see any reason to not add this to the game. It will just enhance the gaming experience.

/signed for one single map
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SilintNinjya
Academy Page
#5
/kinda signed...

just make the boat the battle isles and add in another button that would change the map to a different one. if we force them to show us the whole map, than they become limited to that map, and we dont want that.
Matix411
Matix411
Krytan Explorer
#6
/signed
i'm tired of looking at the loading screens.
Scavenger Rage
Scavenger Rage
Lion's Arch Merchant
#7
/not signed

It would be a mess to implement the "entire map"...MAYBE if they used a scroll context or something like that...but still, my computer is 5 years old and I wait no more then 10 ~ 15 secconds on 90% of my loads, and saying ANYONE waits 15min is simply not possible...

Latter.
Sephiroth Istari
Sephiroth Istari
Lion's Arch Merchant
#8
/signed
Neo Nugget
Neo Nugget
Site Contributor
#9
/signed......one BIG map would be cool.
TreeDude
TreeDude
Frost Gate Guardian
#10
/signed

All we need is a drop down menu for the maps. So we only load the map and not a whole town. That would rock. If they somehow combined all the maps though, that would be cool.
gamecube187
gamecube187
Wilds Pathfinder
#11
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilintNinjya
/kinda signed...

just make the boat the battle isles and add in another button that would change the map to a different one. if we force them to show us the whole map, than they become limited to that map, and we dont want that.
For the merging map thing, it wouldn't be the whole GW world. Just all of it that includes Elona, Tyria, and Cantha. It could, and probably would be expandable as more chapters are made.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage
/not signed

It would be a mess to implement the "entire map"...MAYBE if they used a scroll context or something like that...but still, my computer is 5 years old and I wait no more then 10 ~ 15 secconds on 90% of my loads, and saying ANYONE waits 15min is simply not possible...

Latter.
Oh, I forgot to mention that it would probably have at least three zooms. The first is the smallest one that we currently have. The second is the largest that we currently have (and you would still be able to scroll like how we currently can), and the the third would show all of Elona, Cantha, and Tyria, and maybe even a forth zoom for later chapters if needed. You would be able to choose your destinations from all of the zooms, its just the smaller ones would be easier to click on the towns and outposts. Or at least something like that.

So if your comp is old, you don't have to zoom out all the way (to prevent lag), but you can if you want.

And then to choose if you are going to zoom in or out, there would either be

1) little buttons somewhere on the screen that would allow you to chose zooming in or out

or

2)you use two buttons on the keyboard to choose if you zoom in or out

or

3)both of the above

If I can think of anything else that I forgot, I will post it later.

Oh and if anyone sees any flaws/problems with this, please point it out and try to come up with a solution.(or at the very least, just point it out)
Clawdius_Talonious
Clawdius_Talonious
Krytan Explorer
#12
I think that it would be plausible for them to allow us to open the map while not loading LA or Kaineng, but I really don't know how much coding that would take. If they could do something to reduce the lag on the load times of the major ports this would be a non issue.
P
Phoenix Arrows
Wilds Pathfinder
#13
/signed

Looking for a +5 En Recurve took me to: ToA, Forge, LA, Kaineng, House, Cavalon, Imp Sanctum.

In no order at all, just to a different one every now and then.

Most of the time, Forge --> Kaineng --> Imp Sanctum --> LA --> Forge --> Kaineng --> Cavalon --> LA --> Forge --> Kaineng --> House

I really don't bother much with LA, and I could skip Kaineng a few times as nothing new goes there. However, both are portal locations, so I have to take some more steps.
Katari
Katari
Wilds Pathfinder
#14
1. Click the boat
2. Select your map.
--Map changes go that region without loading any zones
3. Select the outpost/mission/city/etc.

No need to make one huge map, no need for weird zoning. Just make an option that toggles between the four maps without moving your character anywhere. Let my monk sitting in Unwaking Waters be able to hit map, and look at the Tyrian Map. If they want to still use the boat thingy, have the boat be the button to do this.
Quid Pro Quo
Quid Pro Quo
Wilds Pathfinder
#15
/signed
For clicking on the boat and being shown the map for the continent you pick.
Feminist Terrorist
Feminist Terrorist
Desert Nomad
#16
I don't care. I just want a quicker, easier way to get where I need to go. If that entails shooting out of a monkey's nether regions, fine by me.
Terra Xin
Terra Xin
Furnace Stoker
#17
I don't suffer from slow loading times, but Ive been on computers where loading times can take up to a minute, which can become tedious over time, so, yeah, this idea seems reasonable.
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TsunamiZ
Wilds Pathfinder
#18
Quote:
Originally Posted by AW Lore
gees.

from tyria clicking on the boat
Tyria>Cantha>House zu heltzer
Cantha>Tyria>Droknars forge
Tyria>Elona> kamadan
Cantha>Elona>kamadan
Elona>Tyria>Droknars
Elona>Cantha>House Zu heltzer
Tyria/Cantha/Elona>pvp islands>Ra/TA/HA
Tyria/Cantha/Elona>Guild Hall>ABs
is really that difficult to click 3 times?
yes it currently is that difficult. im mean, just look at that list you made, lol.
Thallandor
Thallandor
Desert Nomad
#19
/signed for ease of town hopping and less loading time.

Edit:

As for the one world bit, it may take some serious reprogramming for Elona (supposely southern part of Tyria, SW of the crystal desert) since it has to do with scaling of the continent of Elona to fit the current Tyria (due to its size) same applies for Cathan but isnt that much of a problem as Elona since Cantha supposely exist offshore. Then theres another problem if the physical servers for each of the maps are stored seperately... With the NF release at the end of this month, this feature would be nice to have but rather seems unlikely. Most likely we will be able to get some quest either from Kaineng City or Lion's Arc to travel to Kamadan/or some port on the mainland for those of us who link our chapters. But hopefully this will be in the works for future updates.
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Omnidragon42
Krytan Explorer
#20
/signed - but not for one big map.
One huge map isn't needed (IMHO) but buttons that change the map view would be great. I hate having to zone into Kaineng or LA every time I go somewhere.