Ok, lets talk about how the new update helped/hindered your characters!

In the case of UW it makes it very unlikely to go there questing with a full group, instead you have to solo/duo it with a pre-made build, only for money/ecto, or you just don't go there.

The same is true of green farming in SF. 90% of people in War Camp are 5 man Oro farming, 5% are looking for a runner to Granite Citadel, 1% are drunk, and the remaining 4% are people looking to do something else and use henchmen. These remaining 4% will hopefully be getting into groups more with the nerf of farming.

I agree with you 100% I absolutly love a full 8 man UW group. I get such a satisfied feeling clearing the whole thing, but sadly it is near impossible to find a group nowadays that knows there is more to the UW then just the smites...BRING ON THE 8 MAN UW TEAMS AGAIN!!!

Last time I did one..about 4 weeks ago, everyone was congratulating everyone else for beating it...then i said "umm guys we just did the smites, there is about 98% of the UW left" they all laughed, called me a noob and left...i was just dumbfounded at their ignorance.

Good luck trying to find a group of competent people for that. Don't get mad at the W/E that brings a focus instead of a shield so he can have "more energy" for his flare spam or meteor shower.

Or when you have a R/Me running degen instead of barrage.

Then when you have the monk that only knows how to spam heal party over and over and complains about not having energy.

Oh... and the necro that says they're SS (which doesn't matter now) but is really running all touch skills...

Hmm.. this is why people solo and dual farm. We're tired of incompetent people who can't run actual builds.

Oh yea... this goes for about any major farming place.

I'm planning to come up with new solo builds and checking out the new Nightfall skills on wiki that might help. 55 IW Mesmer still might work since they don't use any AoE spells, that's good news for my Mes I hope.

The last time I did UW with a full group someone took all of the quests from Reaper of the Labyrinth, a Lost Soul died, and we were back in ToA. The same thing happened the time before. The same thing happened the time before that.

So I guess Lizzypoo could have a point.

i think the update is going to hinder the economy. since pve is based on having money to get better items (unless you have the best luck in the world and get gold drops all the time, which doesnt matter now bc of inscriptions..) and gold doesnt drop in quantities large enough to support having the money to really enjoy playing. ask people if they like having a character they cant buy armor or weapons for. also, the fact that they nerfed the common UW builds also means that the people who already farmed it dry will benefit as ecto prices soar (went from 6k to 10k in 5 min...probably higher later) while those who want fissure armor or other expensive items are now left out. its not like you can "farm" UW with 8 ppl in a balanced team. ive cleared the whole UW with a team, and it was fun, but now i just want to use it to make money, not to get the same storyline and missions over and over and over agian..sry for the exceedingly long post but im a bit pissed my main income is gone

ya...he does, but i refuse to believe that their are only stupid people around..PLUS now we can ping our skill bar...that might help..maybe.

I understand what you mean. I never farmed it for money, I do it just to do it, becuase I enjoy it. I am a firm believer that there is more to this game then a big bank...don't get me wrong, it helps with everything. However I take pride in knowing that I've cleared UW and FoW more times then most people.

I don't know, I could be crazy and am probably the only person that has been playing since Proph. release and has yet to make a million big ones.

Let's see. *cracks knuckles*

First off loving to play as a healing monk, the constant screen spinning on every heal HAS TO GO. Make that stop or enable a camera option for the stable default. Its absolutely annoying and completely unsettling to try and play like that.

The concept of a tank is destroyed. Nothing holds agrro because nothing can keep it. It goes too far to encourage non-tactical play style because the current aggro hold of an organized party is roughly the equivalent of a group that blunders in and aggros everything, running around in sheer chaos. There is no difference. Might as well save the trouble and simply play that way.

While we are at it, why dont we remove all the area effect spells from the game? We dont need them. We can all be single target spiker builds. Cuts down on the number of skills we need to collect because you know any AoE is going to render itself pointless anyway.

PvP you say? Well sure. We could make this a PvP-only game. Made great progress to that end so far. Maybe I will start doing only that - but in that case - PLEASE at least fix the spinning camera on every target ally cast so I can at least do that. My god it baffles the mind the things they come up with.

Everything in the update either helped me, or did nothing for me.

Nothing bad to list in my case

Really glad after reading the Hero/Henchmen AI update notes.

OMG agreed so annoying. Plz fix this or enable an option to turn this off/on.

I enjoy clearing both as well, and its a nice feeling when you clear it, but now it will be insanely hard to clear FoW or UW with a balanced party seeing as the concept of a tank in tactical play is gone. this means my favorite method of playing FoW(i only dual farmed UW, usually bring my tank to FoW), the 5 man team, is now gone.personally i think randomizing the way the AI aggros is tantamount to destroying organized party play. even if thats not true, when all the enemies decide to flee, it will now take a full 24 hours to clear FoW :P

And good riddance to you. Doubt anyone will miss you either.

Maybe it will take that long, but more importantly, what this does is actually put meaning back into the words "I cleared UW/FoW with an ___ man team" only because imagine the strategy, patience, and concentration it would take to micro manage the aggro....god im drooling.

QFT

Thank God someone else noticed this. I was highly PO'ed at this

Just try the new patch here. One Obvious thing i found out that my assasin wont use the skill a lot. i have to repetedly push skill button before he go in and use the skill. The skill that stuck are Black Lotus stike and Dancing Dagger
dont know if this happen to other char as well. I was playing fort Aspenwood when GW was updated.

woops didnnt see the thread down there

They were not ignorant, they were just pointing out the fact that beating the UW or doing anything other than smites has no point whatsoever because there is no worthwhile reward for doing so. You can get XP way faster and easier in other ways, and that's the only reward so doing "quests" in the UW is 100% pointless.

If Anet wants people to make "real" parties for UW then they should make there actually be worthwhile rewards for using 8 men in the UW. Not nerf UW farming.

I was saying that because, they literally believed that the smites were the only part of UW, not because they saw no point in the other areas.

i think it takes the strategy OUT of clearing it. how can you use the professions in the roles that a net and common sense suggests when the AI randomizes its behavior? a tank has to hold aggro to be useful, hence the best armor, and skills based on increasing survivability while taking large amounts of damage. if the enemy decides to randomly break aggro, its just irritating, it poses a challenge in that your strategies for party organization arent effective. while this might look like a challenge to develop better ones, i doubt you can develop a logical strategy to fight an AI that isnt logical, just random in its aggro choices. hopefully this will get fine tuning, or revert back to its previous behavior. on a different note, apparently the 55 isnt completely killed. i guess soloing it with riposte as damage dealing works. unconfirmed, and i assume excruciatingly slow, but just putting it out ther.