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SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

26 Oct 2006 at 07:09 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritualistic Spankin

Maybe it will take that long, but more importantly, what this does is actually put meaning back into the words "I cleared UW/FoW with an ___ man team" only because imagine the strategy, patience, and concentration it would take to micro manage the aggro....god im drooling.

You can not plan a strategy against random behavior, hence why PvP is there. How many Tanks do you see there? None, with Tactics line and boosting Strength skills (Endure, Doylak) being comletely ignored as a result. These skills had a use in PvE to tank foes. Doylak? Yeah, trigger it then go run after the foe at 25% speed while it pummels your monks. Evasive skills? Why? They won't behitting you much anyways (goes for Ranger skills too). Random aggro means there is NO WAY you can effectively micro manage aggro on a single target. It would be like trying to hold Aggro in PvP. Never gonna happen.

Apple

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/Mo

26 Oct 2006 at 07:26 - 42

Shiroken dead. Lucky i got my 3 mill faction to UAS nightfall before it happened

anti_z3r0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Black Rose Assassins [BRA]

W/

26 Oct 2006 at 07:27 - 43

http://gwpatch.ytmnd.com/

Ritualistic Spankin

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 07:29 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by anti_z3r0

http://gwpatch.ytmnd.com/

LOL. Well, that is one way to vent...does that mean your going to be one of the many people that has said "Im leaving GW for WoW?"

anti_z3r0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Black Rose Assassins [BRA]

W/

26 Oct 2006 at 07:33 - 45

No, I just was amused by that post. I freaking love the update.

Smarter monsters require people to actually think when playing pve.

Kalki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Summoners of Forgotten Gods

W/Mo

26 Oct 2006 at 07:34 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by anti_z3r0

http://gwpatch.ytmnd.com/

LOL

Give him credit for capitalizing the E to start his paragraph. He's not 100% emo. Maybe he'll have a change of heart.

Ritualistic Spankin

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 07:37 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalki

LOL

Give him credit for capitalizing the E to start his paragraph. He's not 100% emo. Maybe he'll have a change of heart.

Ya he capitalized the E, but didn't use a single period in the whole blurb...hell of a lot of comma's though.

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

26 Oct 2006 at 07:48 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritualistic Spankin

Lets share some information about how this update has revitalized or killed some of your in-game habits.

Here is what I have found:
Well right after the update I tried Warden farming outisde Arborstone using the Vengeful Rit build...bad news...the Wardens run away from you and alternate attacking groups. I can't kill them before they run out and get healed.

However, the vermin farming still works but it is a little slower.

Friends have reported that the 2 man UW still works, which is great to hear!

What have you guys/girls found?

** I am able to farm Vermin perfectly fine, until I aggro more then 2 groups, then they scatter like cockroaches**

Yeah as if Rits needed their only real good farming build nerfed.

/rude anet

Lordhelmos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sentients of Shadow (noir)

Me/E

26 Oct 2006 at 07:53 - 49

Im just pissed I can't cast

Meteor
Meteor Shower
Chain Lightning
Eruption
Rodgorts Invocation
Heal Party
Aegis
Extinguish
Kinetic Armor
Lightinining Orb
Obsidian Flame
Etc... Any 2+ second cast spell....

While running without hitting an autocancel. Go to isle of the nameless and hold the forward button and cast Meteor Shower, then let go of forward as soon as you cast the spell. Fun isn't it? I am waiting on updates and will not play until this is fixed. I have been complaining about it for the last 2 hours. Yes im pretty steamed.

Nickhimself

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Your face

True Gods Of War [True]

W/Mo

26 Oct 2006 at 07:58 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Of Thee Monks

Every thing is nerfed staffs,farming,55 necro and 55 monk any thing 55 is nerfed i think they have totlay F**ked up imo i hate gw now unless they fix it i quit and they also meesed all the green staff my ghial's staff is crap

I can't believe in all of that rant that you cried about Ghial's.

Get a Wand / Off-hand with similar stats. More energy + SAME EXACT GOD DAMN STATS.

Ghial's has never been good. Ever. A Wand and off-hand gives you more energy with a maleable base to alternate between one form of a death weapon setup to another without requiring you to buy 50 more crappy green staves. The possibilities are seemingly endless with a Wand and Off-hand. With a Staff, it's WYSIWYG all day.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

26 Oct 2006 at 08:02 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

I love these updates

I personally don't like 55 monks very much, seeing as they can reduce 200+ attacks to merely 5 damage. It ruins the game =/

Actually, I think all solo farming is retarded. Why solo in an online game, you antisocia reclusivle jackass. Go farm with actual people and have some real fun!

Excuse me but there are Monks out there that like to get away from the constant gripping of ppl calling to keep them healed up.We have to listen to most of the time and when can we do some damage like the rest of the team.We could always start smiting in groups instead of healing others.When Monks 55 it to get break from it all and to use thier lovely smiting prayers.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

26 Oct 2006 at 08:04 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickhimself

I can't believe in all of that rant that you cried about Ghial's.

Get a Wand / Off-hand with similar stats. More energy + SAME EXACT GOD DAMN STATS.

Ghial's has never been good. Ever. A Wand and off-hand gives you more energy with a maleable base to alternate between one form of a death weapon setup to another without requiring you to buy 50 more crappy green staves. The possibilities are seemingly endless with a Wand and Off-hand. With a Staff, it's WYSIWYG all day.

No it isn't! I mean, uhh...

Shhhh! Don't tell everyone that! Let people keep thinking their staffs and Sunderings are da bomb. It just means every time I run across either, I know I can sell it straight out without having to wonder "which of my characters will this work good with"

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

26 Oct 2006 at 08:06 - 53

Ghial's did Dark Damage. Bortak set deals Cold Damage. The Cold damage and extra 2 energy if you kept your HP above 50% made Bortak set superior to Ghial's Staff, except that Ghial's was easier and cheaper to get after the MM and Gear nerf, making the staff more popular then the set.

Lordhelmos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sentients of Shadow (noir)

Me/E

26 Oct 2006 at 08:08 - 54

Totem axe + collecters offhand ftw. So why did you pay 25k for ghials again? Gee I have +17 energy, +20% echant, +30 health and HCT of my spells.... what I only payed 5k? omg hax.

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

26 Oct 2006 at 08:09 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Ghial's did Dark Damage. Bortak set deals Cold Damage. The Cold damage and extra 2 energy if you kept your HP above 50% made Bortak set superior to Ghial's Staff, except that Ghial's was easier and cheaper to get after the MM and Gear nerf, making the staff more popular then the set.

Collector/Crafter's wand and off-hand FTW... no one cares about caster skins, anyway. At least until Nightfall

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 08:14 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

They were not ignorant, they were just pointing out the fact that beating the UW or doing anything other than smites has no point whatsoever because there is no worthwhile reward for doing so. You can get XP way faster and easier in other ways, and that's the only reward so doing "quests" in the UW is 100% pointless.

Hey, you know there are people out there who play the game for fun? It isn't a 9 til 5 job for them, where you have to make money in the most efficient way, buy and sell stuff all day, etc., and any form of roleplaying is out of the question.

I know that for some people, completing a campaign is done only for unlocks, and any other PvE is done only for farming. But there are other people out there who want to play the game. So I don't think any quests are 100% pointless, some people want to do them because this a GAME in which they can enjoy themselves by PLAYING it.

Tickle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

P/

26 Oct 2006 at 08:15 - 57

Bad news is I'll be deleting my Ele, good news is I'll be deleting my Ele..
Shit, I don't even know if I want to play monk now..
Easy solution, IWAY.. ftl

Mars Dragonblade

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Awesometon.

Ministry of Fate [MoF]

W/

26 Oct 2006 at 08:28 - 58

That is a beast of an update, can't wait to try out the new stuff. I'd stopped playin for a while until NF hit, since it's out tomorrow I better get my feet back on the ground.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

26 Oct 2006 at 10:02 - 59

GW

well that was fun

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 10:11 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchblade

GW

well that was fun

Was farming Elona Reach, the Troll Cave, and Shiro'ken really the only thing people enjoyed about Guild Wars...?

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

26 Oct 2006 at 10:16 - 61

i was personnally enjoying a bit of farming but mainly dropping rare stuff, rare skins, nice drops, trading ....

but none of this is welcome in GW anymore

i dont see myself buying NF just for 5 days of boring missions just to get a new sword, a nice new armor and a cartographer title

prolly it's my fault .. i seriously hate the PvP of this thing

Tickle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

P/

26 Oct 2006 at 10:27 - 62

At least farming added to the gameplay when finding party's was a pain in the arse, now explain to me what the average Joe Bloggs has to look forward to once he/she has completed the game..
Perhaps all our questions will be answered with the release of nightfall, if not then what have we to look forward to?

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

26 Oct 2006 at 10:44 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

Was farming Elona Reach, the Troll Cave, and Shiro'ken really the only thing people enjoyed about Guild Wars...?

Well... Yeah. After doing the storyline for both factions and prophecies 6 times, getting most of the titles etc, there isn't much left to do, is it? I just made some gold to get better weapons, armor, runes of superior vigor etc (lol how is anyone supposed to get

PvE is screwed now for me, nothing left to do, until Nightfall comes out that is.

=DNC=Trucker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

TLA

Me/

26 Oct 2006 at 10:45 - 64

My (hopefully) unbiased thoughts...

Most of the changes that drastically effect gameplay I agree with (dumb AI for AoE) for example. The SS, etc was simply playing on the lack of AI. Anyone not willing to see this is probably taking too much pride in the fact that 1 + 1 = 2. The change(s) are most likely justified, making the game more challenging for PvE. The result: Eliminate as much "cookie-cutter" playstyle as possible. Indefinitely it will prolong everyones interest in the game.

_However_, devs should really be careful to not go overboard. You can think of this as taking candy away from a baby. A lot of people spend hours and hours working on characters in this game, buying skills, gaining weapons, and fine tuning their playstyle. This is time spent to work towards it. To rip these styles out is a little borderline. Instead invest more time in BETA testing changes to see the loopholes and do not allow it in the firstplace. -or- "baby step" changes so we don't login one day and our whole world is upside down

Gwmaster

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Canada/Quebec

N/

26 Oct 2006 at 10:49 - 65

i find the update pretty cool, its true that i will miss shiroken farming but i dont realy care,i just cant wait till i get my nightfall copy ><....i love the smell of a new game box xD

Tydra

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 11:14 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordhelmos

Im just pissed I can't cast

Meteor
Meteor Shower
Chain Lightning
Eruption
Rodgorts Invocation
Heal Party
Aegis
Extinguish
Kinetic Armor
Lightinining Orb
Obsidian Flame
Etc... Any 2+ second cast spell....

While running without hitting an autocancel. Go to isle of the nameless and hold the forward button and cast Meteor Shower, then let go of forward as soon as you cast the spell. Fun isn't it? I am waiting on updates and will not play until this is fixed. I have been complaining about it for the last 2 hours. Yes im pretty steamed.

i've noticed that as well ... didnt try it with my ele yet, but i saw the same shit happenin with my MM ... tried castin sum minions and horrors and i canceled it for sum reason ... i needed 3 tries once before i got it right ... i dont know how, but it RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin sux

also, have any MM noticed weird behaviour of their minions?? well, mine do! there r enemies around them, but after they kill one off, they run to the back of me, past me, out of my aggro circle..... then they come back and attack the next one ... and all that even tho there were enemies in their own aggro ..... any one else saw that happenin? i got sum nice pics of my minions runnin off like chickens .. got me really pissed off

=DNC=Trucker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

TLA

Me/

26 Oct 2006 at 11:18 - 67

ANET already knows about the self-interrupt bug and is working on the fix for thenext update

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

R/

26 Oct 2006 at 12:00 - 68

I think the new Update is great, Im sure lots of people wont like it cause everyones different but i think, Anet have finally put a decent Update on and made the game play much better in general. Finally you can use AoE as a heavy attack like you once could do preAoE nerf, ok so they still run where there near death but thats how it should be, Skills like Firestrom etc were nearly totally useless (except on non-moving things) but now they have use again. Great work Anet, keep it up.

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 12:25 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchblade

i was personnally enjoying a bit of farming but mainly dropping rare stuff, rare skins, nice drops, trading ....

but none of this is welcome in GW anymore

i dont see myself buying NF just for 5 days of boring missions just to get a new sword, a nice new armor and a cartographer title

prolly it's my fault .. i seriously hate the PvP of this thing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tickle

At least farming added to the gameplay when finding party's was a pain in the arse, now explain to me what the average Joe Bloggs has to look forward to once he/she has completed the game..
Perhaps all our questions will be answered with the release of nightfall, if not then what have we to look forward to?

Quote:

Originally Posted by reetkever

Well... Yeah. After doing the storyline for both factions and prophecies 6 times, getting most of the titles etc, there isn't much left to do, is it? I just made some gold to get better weapons, armor, runes of superior vigor etc (lol how is anyone supposed to get

PvE is screwed now for me, nothing left to do, until Nightfall comes out that is.

I'm not sure how to be polite about this, but I will try.

Would you three please open up the box and step out of it? There are still plenty of places to farm, and plenty of ways to make easy gold. Is it really so hard to stop relying on other people to find your builds and farming spots? Can you really not just go out and find one of the many places that you can still easily and efficiently farm?

Okay, so you can't 55/600 the popular bot-spots anymore. Why is that such a big deal? People had to make money before those spots were abused... Why not go back to basics and try some more exciting ways of making money? I know the farming I have been doing since before this update is far more exciting and intense than any bit of Aatxe and Shiro'ken farming that the general populous is now whining about, and it still works, even after the AI buffs.

ArenaNet hasn't stopped anyone from farming to make money, except for the people who aren't willing to think for themselves, and do a little bit of work to continue farming.

And really, once you finally accept that farming isn't over, and that you can still farm for gold, how can you throw aside all the wonderful UI updates, and the necessary armor/skill balances?

If somebody quits GW because of this, they aren't even worthy of WoW-level grind, in my opinion.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

26 Oct 2006 at 12:33 - 70

farming? for what

useless gold since a 30hp upg ll be worth 500g

ectos? i ve enough .. it just crafting material now...

trading was better than farming anyway ... (and fyi, i dont need other ppl builds for my chars, i just do mine

)

the only "prestige" stuff now ll be titles imo, and opening 10000 chests when u know u ll get a 100% crap guaranty outta em, u dont wanna waste time on this .. anyway, what do u do when u got ur titles?

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 13:05 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witchblade

anyway, what do u do when u got ur titles?

Farm, enjoy the scenery (Tyria is a beautiful place, and even Cantha has it's finer points), help out my friends, or... Gods forbid... PvP.

There are probably more things I could list, if I really wanted to...

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

26 Oct 2006 at 13:06 - 72

been there done that

Chewbacca Defense

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

667 Neighbour of the Beast

Ttgr

26 Oct 2006 at 14:10 - 73

Not that most people care, but I miss being able to armour swap in PvP. By removing the armour swapping, it does balance out the PvP vs. PvE characters. Only advantage now of using a PvE character in PvP is weapon swapping.

Still it was nice to have that slight edge on PvP-Only chars by hat swapping a PvE char.

Nonetheless, a fantastic update. Love the template and love the new PvP-Only char creation tools. Thumbs up to Anet!

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

26 Oct 2006 at 14:40 - 74

Last night, I was working my new Monk's way up to Ice Tooth Cave with henchies. They didn't go straight after Alesia (I play smiting

). When they engaged, they locked onto me. Couldn't scrape them off by kiting around getting Stephan & Little Thom between us, either. They'd run right past 'em. Ah well, they died and I need to fit Symbol of Wrath back on my skill bar

.

I also noticed that AI's got alot smarter about using interrupts, 3 Shiverpeak Longbows = getting interrupted 3 times in a row. Glad they made the Henchie AI's smarter too.

It's going to take a bit of adjusting to get used to the updated AIs on both sides, but I think it's an improvement and it really didn't make things that much more difficult.

As for the skill changes, I'm not too happy with what they did to the Mesmer's e-management abilities, but I'm sure there's ways to overcome that, too.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

26 Oct 2006 at 15:04 - 75

The Drain Enchantment/Inspired Hex nerfs are strange.But I have yet to actually try out to see if it will have any actual major impact on my mesmer.

Everything else is pretty awesome.

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

26 Oct 2006 at 15:20 - 76

Mantra of Recall nerfed, Energy Drain nerfed, Inspired Hex nerfed, Drain Enchantments nerfed... No more good Energy management for Boon Prots, so I guess I'll just leave my favorite build behind. I was kinda thinking of switching builds in Nightfall anyway, but I hope I can enjoy those builds, because I'd really like a build that I enjoyed as much as this one.

I'm very happy with the new runes on the other hand (reduces Dazed, sweet!). Also, I like the skill recharge/casting time mods on Swords/Axes (even though my +5 armor sword is nerfed

), can't wait to get a Gold Phoenix Blade with skill recharge!

I'm also glad that they nerfed the HoD Axe (sorry for the people who spend millions on it though...), because I always wanted that axe, but never bought it, because I was too afraid this would happen. I also like that I can now actually get the wands/focii I want, because the wand/focii upgrades will really help making perfect wands/focii.

Marc0

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Kings Army of Surmia

W/Mo

26 Oct 2006 at 15:42 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

I love these updates

I personally don't like 55 monks very much, seeing as they can reduce 200+ attacks to merely 5 damage. It ruins the game =/

Actually, I think all solo farming is retarded. Why solo in an online game, you antisocia reclusivle jackass. Go farm with actual people and have some real fun!

55 monks are very fragile if you know how to kill them so it balances out, you just have to have a good enough build to deal with them.

Some people solo farm for other reasons, maybe for challenge...it's fun to kill 20+ mobs at once that a typical pug 8 man couldn't even take down. Another reason may be that they can't find a good group to team with, instead they find people like you calling other people names....

Ritualistic Spankin

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 15:50 - 78

Other people might need to try this, but my mesmer has gotten a bit funky with the AI treating his skills like AoE, Energy Surge spreads them, even though it is focused on one target. I also noticed that using Cry of Frustration, after it caused the "area interrupt" caused the enemies to spread out just like firestorm or meteor shower.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

26 Oct 2006 at 15:55 - 79

Well, to answer the started of the thread, I'm damned happy. Tougher monster AI, the weapon inscriptions along with armor bonuses, easier PvP creation, new dyes (WHITE!) and a hell of a lot more really add to my enjoyment of GW. Thanks, ANet!

Marc0

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Kings Army of Surmia

W/Mo

26 Oct 2006 at 15:56 - 80

I really wish they could make aggro in this game actually have some logic. Like most other games, a tank can go in, build aggro, has some taunt skills to hold aggro & then the party can attack but has to be careful not to out taunt the tank. (damage = taunting).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Tougher monster AI

It's not tougher, it just doesn't have any logic, a tank is no longer a tank, now at least you can setup to be a damage RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO instead. Hammers will be popular I predict. As will be Frenzy since you can get a mod down to 1/2 health, then kick in Frenzy & pound him to smitherines & he won't even attack back....also skills that do damage do moving targets will be nice for the cowardly new AI behavior.