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cheeze123

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 04:41 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

IMO people are just getting confused and frustrated because of tactical atrophy.
That is what you get for farming mindlessly with the same skill for the pass several months.

Well yes... we can always try to come up with a better tactic... But I mean, if ANET chooses to be persistant... it doesn't matter how many times or ways we change our tactics... They'll most likely nerf something somehow somewhere

How many more times will we be able to change our tactics until it is utterly impossible to solo?

Bastian

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/A

28 Oct 2006 at 04:50 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pointless

The point there is, maybe you should consider packing a slowdown skill now.

Of course, aren't you going to be upset when they nerf slowdown skills cause its keeping the monsters from running away.... =)

xXa1

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 05:41 - 43

the anet devs should stop trying to force people into what THEY want GW to be but to focus on what their CUSTOMERS WANT GW to be. otherwise they wont have that many custoemrs buying their future expansions.

they need to LESS ARROGANT and LISTEN to their customers more.

people playing pve play for fun, keep it fun. people playing pvp want it challenging, make it challenging THERE but LEAVE PVE ALONE.

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

28 Oct 2006 at 06:28 - 44

I haven't really noticed any insanity in the mobs. Yeah, they'll break contact around 25% life, but a quick lightning orb or a couple arrows will finish things up. I've actually found that monsters are even more willing than ever to stand in AoE. That being said, the change has made THK easier than ever... the mursaat now attack the white mantle and tundra giants for some reason. Good stuff.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

28 Oct 2006 at 06:58 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXa1

the anet devs should stop trying to force people into what THEY want GW to be but to focus on what their CUSTOMERS WANT GW to be. otherwise they wont have that many custoemrs buying their future expansions.

they need to LESS ARROGANT and LISTEN to their customers more.

people playing pve play for fun, keep it fun. people playing pvp want it challenging, make it challenging THERE but LEAVE PVE ALONE.

There is a reason Anet are game developers and you are not. One of these reasons is because they know better how to create a game.

PvE is fine. PvP is excellent with some nice implementations like the new PvP chars.

The game is not a democracy. I assure you, for every complaint you make I can find someone that disagrees with you. Anet listens to the majority - and you are not in it.

The only one being arrogant is you for assuming the developers are here to make the game on your whims.

Narutoscryed

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

In the woods

Elite Crew

W/E

28 Oct 2006 at 07:19 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

There is a reason Anet are game developers and you are not. One of these reasons is because they know better how to create a game.

PvE is fine. PvP is excellent with some nice implementations like the new PvP chars.

The game is not a democracy. I assure you, for every complaint you make I can find someone that disagrees with you. Anet listens to the majority - and you are not in it.

The only one being arrogant is you for assuming the developers are here to make the game on your whims.

your right but also wrong.. they dont know better.. all they know is how to program.. WE tell them if the game they make is good or not..what is good or not.

and as for the whole majority thing.. the only reason why we anti being told what to do folks are not the majority.. is because we stopped playing along time ago..

people like you that seem to be happy with everything anet can possibly come out with are all over the place now.. pretty much the only ones left..

i wonder why?

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

28 Oct 2006 at 07:25 - 47

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

i wonder why?

Probably because we are.

I also know that whenever a major change happens, people burst into tears and ignore everything else. Then they find a new way to do things effortlessly, and stop threatening dire consequences if they are not given their carebear things back.

Oh, I'm far from happy with everything, that doesn't mean I have to go around telling people about it. Much rather encourage what works, especially when there's much more of it.

That's different than complaining that complete mindless money-grinding farming was made different. Oh Noes! Whatever shall we do? Good players will find what works, and the sobbing will eventually find out what they're doing and copy them. Life goes on.

Sertu

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 07:27 - 48

Mods pleace do ur jobs and stop the flood of topics like "the update sucks", "they nerfed my build", "im leaving gw now", "gw is no fun anymore", ect.

1 tread like that is fine. So the whiners can whine against each other but not 30 topics all 'bout the same update.

Zhou Feng

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

CATS

Mo/Me

28 Oct 2006 at 07:32 - 49

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Originally Posted by The Pointless

I didn't say everyone, but at least someone in any party should carry a snare. Maybe the Mesmer has room for a Burden, or the Ranger can pack Pin Down for once.

Allow me to quote the film Philadelphia: "Where there's a problem, there is a solution". The game has evolved, so must you. You face new problems, now find a solution and put it into effect.

I am really getting tired of all these complaints now, it's getting me down.

Yes I believe in this statement. However a monster or mob who runs with one hit is a bot off the mark dont you think? Now if the monster flees after having say some major health cut down to heal or regroup its cool. Major games nowadays do just this. Of course they should improve the AI for the creatures to act according to physical build. Bigger monsters usually slug it out (think ogre/trolls). Medium monsters are confident until their health drops (think humans/orcs). Smaller monsters can probably run if their alone but not so if they are in numbers (think goblins). Animal type monsters with little intelligence might not know the meaning of fleeing.

Maybe Im the only one who is comepletely happy with most of the updates. But then again Im a PvPer. I guess Ill hit PvE and see what the suffering is about.

vaxmor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

R/

28 Oct 2006 at 07:36 - 50

Zui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

Mo/

28 Oct 2006 at 07:39 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaxmor

PvE players do not use snares. Just like W/Mos with Mending and a Firey Dragon Sword do not have any more than 8 in Sworsmanship.

(Edit: My post was obviously in jest, well, sortof anyway, it's sadly true for the majority...)

Zakarr

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

28 Oct 2006 at 08:00 - 52

Quote:

Has the fun been nerfed?

I don't find it fun to slay mindless creatures. Now they are a bit smarter and need more work to kill them. That is fun.

led-zep

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

28 Oct 2006 at 08:08 - 53

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Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

I consider myself a normal PVE player and I've read all the threads which have sprung up today as a result of the AoE change.

I'm not a major farmer, but occassionally do duo UW runs and one or two other things like that, but only for an hour or two a week....
I do them as they're part of the game and most importantly - because it's fun.
I also do all the missions and quests because it's fun.
I feel I play the game normally and the way it's meant to be played.

I'm not a CR'er or into making millions of plat - I really don't care about it.
I have no 15k armor and a modest money bank with 8 characters - 6 of which have done all missions in both prophecies and factions.
I love this game, it's gorgeous graphics and the fun and challenges it brings.

Now this AoE change has come and I'm not going to say it ruins the game for me, or my farming builds, or that I quit BUT what I am going to say is that it reduces the fun of play for me.

Last night (playing a normal quest) I hit a monster with a sword and he ran away from me, one hit and he ran and continued to run away - what's the point of this? it doesn't make the game fun - I just ran after him, 30 secs later he runs out of places to run and I kill him.

Now do that with every monster - instead of spending my time fighting and using skills etc I'm going to spend the majority of my time chasing after stuff?
Is running after stuff considered fun - not in my book.

I don't know what anet will do (if they do anything) to put back the fun but I really hope they do.

My CE and standard editions are in the post - this has taken the edge off of my excitement as I think of having to chase monsters across wide african plains......

For those of you who play PVP - this is akin to someone only equipping running skills to deliberatley piss you off in an arena - is that fun?

With this patch some fun has been removed and it does sadden me.
I hope anet find a way to address this problem.

It's not about - OMG my farming build is nerfed, for the average player it's about having fun. For me the fun aspect has been toned down a notch.

People can agree or disagree - I really don't care but just like I hate trade spamming and I hate pointless running. Strategic running is fine but that's not what we're getting.

well put i agree totally and to those who can only contribute 'add slowdown skills', maybe we should all equip slowdowns instead of res? why the hell should we have to switch our skillbar around everytime anet nerf the hell out of gw.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

28 Oct 2006 at 08:18 - 54

Quote:

well put i agree totally and to those who can only contribute 'add slowdown skills', maybe we should all equip slowdowns instead of res? why the hell should we have to switch our skillbar around everytime anet nerf the hell out of gw.

Exactly, why should you ever have to change your skillbar to adapt to different areas, the entire purpose of the changeable skillbar. You, sir, are either a scrub, or need to be a bit clearer with your sarcasm.

You also need to learn the meaning of nerf, because the game has not been nerfed. Neither have your tactics (or lack thereof), or your builds. With no snares I can happily rip apart the areas of NF I've been though... no snares and no res either, since you seem to value that too.

Superdarth

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 09:53 - 55

I agree,im already desperatly looking everywhere for fun but there is none..its to straightforward and guildwars kind of feels like its an "Online game for dummies" since its so easy and the players i meet show little signs of intelligence.

Dont get me whrong either,ive had some good times with this game but i cant find any joy in the game anymore,most importantly because its to damn easy,theres no challenge in it,dont you want a challenge?

Orinn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Defiant Dragons

28 Oct 2006 at 09:54 - 56

If the AI were working as intended ("as posted in the update notes") then it might not be so bad. However, the mobs seemingly at random will either run away, or chase a player the entire length of the map, Monk mobs are especially annoying because they don't kite, they just run straight to the next group. There isn't really a good PvP analogy for 8-person teams suddenly turning into 16 people on a side, is there? In PvE, the characters are almost always outnumbered to begin with.

PvP is about balance and fairness. PvE, it's the player's superior skill against the mobs' superior numbers and ability to break the rules the players have to obey (level cap, double-damage half-casting-time bosses, multiple instances of a single skill on a skillbar, AND literally inhuman reflexes for interrupting.) PLEASE stop trying to make PvE "more like" PvP when the entire metagame is completely different. There are people who PvP, and enjoy it for what it is. There are people who play only PvE, and enjoy it for what it is.

It's well past time that people stopped trying to compare the experiences. The only real thing they have in common are the characters. The entire game is different when playing PvP or PvE, AND IT SHOULD BE. That's how to appeal to the most number of people.

Hopefully, ANET figures out that the people who don't PvP, don't want to play a game that's more "PvP-like" for the same reasons. And for the PvP people who don't understand the complaints, well, you don't HAVE to like the RPG/PvE aspect of the game, but realize that it's there, and is NOT the game you play.

X X X X X X X

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Broken Legion

Mo/E

28 Oct 2006 at 10:11 - 57

What annoys me the most, they have pretty much nerfed Necromancers all together, i cant cast any curse on something without being the target of agro, how can this encourage team play, everything stops attacking my team and kills me. Necros are now officially the useless class, any curses PvE build has been ruined

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

28 Oct 2006 at 10:26 - 58

Ok, to all of you posting "adapt" etc etc.... SHUT IT.

This update has been terrible on the AI side of things. I was roaming around doing an enormous amount of quests today on my lvl10 Paragon and what do you know. I tell my 3 heroes to go aggro a group of monsters and fight them while I run the OTHER way to get a stone tablet. What happens? The monsters from across the map SKIP OVER MY HEROES and come all the way ACROSS THE WHOLE MAP (i couldnt even see them until i saw the red dots approaching from the edge) to kill me, and wouldn't unaggro from me not matter how much I kited. This is so broken.... how shall I adapt? Bring Dolak Signet so i can sit there and take a beating? NO.... shut up shut up shut up! NO.

This AI needs to be fixed, it is ridiculous..... I hit a warrior boss today, ONCE with a spear, only to have him run around mindlessly kiting my group for about 20 mins while he periodically stopped to use heal sig. Kiting from a 9dmg spear throw? Looks to me like this warrior boss is a complete chicken Sh*t. Thx, but no thx.

Other then this AI issue, everything is fine. I was able to farm charr mysteriously though, seems this AI nerf is effecting physical dmg attackers for then casters. FIX IT PLS ANET!

Oh, and Since I head Blue's new running academy, I still have customers that PM me. So I was running droks earlier today...oh and look... the GRAWL won't stop following, even when i doubled sprint AND charge, they kept pace like none other. Hmmmm.......grawl with windbourne speed? Storm Djinn's Haste? Nope, they are not eles...OOPs. Necros have no speed boost skills, yet the Guile will continue to follow. Now I have been around and run too much to know that you must stop and let the Guile cast... but guess what? I turned around, and the Guile casted, then started to run away. Then I ran forward again, and he turned around AGAIN. This process repeated around 9 times before I just said I QUIT, refunded the customer, told him I will need to analyse the new AI, and said have a nice day. The guile and grawl after about 6 cycles of sprint and charge, and 2 of them BOTH, wouldnt go away. This defeats another "update" they did a long time ago!

The Pointless

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Stuck in the UK

Rage International [RAGE]

W/Me

28 Oct 2006 at 14:22 - 59

Quote:

Ok, to all of you posting "adapt" etc etc.... SHUT IT.

To all the people who spew this... NO.

It's clearly just a screw up, somewhere in the AI code. Give them time to find it and correct it, WITHOUT SCREAMING "THIS GAME IS RUINED!"

For the time being, just pack a snare and get on with the game.

[EDIT]I should have seen the Red Engine's overzealous censorship coming... =\

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

28 Oct 2006 at 14:48 - 60

You know, I took my SS through Consulate Docks yesterday. If there was an AOE nerf, I didn't see it. I've rarely seen so many -37's flying up in the air. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I did this with henchies and a couple Level 5 or lower heroes yesterday and got masters (or whatever it is in NF). If I hadn't been an SS, I don't think we would have made it so quickly through.

(Now will come all the boasting. "I soloed that mission using only one skill and had my monitor turned off. Big deal!")

Cador

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Relax Its Just A [GAME]

R/E

28 Oct 2006 at 15:14 - 61

Ultimately to me they seem to have made PvE even more PVP oriented.

Now you have to worry about slowing down that target. *cough* Kiting *cough*

Solar_Takfar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 15:26 - 62

Human monk enemies tend to kite. That's what I've noticed so far, and it sounds fair to me.

Mai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Needs Moar[DESU]

Mo/

28 Oct 2006 at 15:44 - 63

In relation I find that dodgeball is boring because the other players are refusing to stand still and be hit by the balls I throw.

/emo

Bastian

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/A

28 Oct 2006 at 15:47 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

There is a reason Anet are game developers and you are not. One of these reasons is because they know better how to create a game.

PvE is fine. PvP is excellent with some nice implementations like the new PvP chars.

The game is not a democracy. I assure you, for every complaint you make I can find someone that disagrees with you. Anet listens to the majority - and you are not in it.

The only one being arrogant is you for assuming the developers are here to make the game on your whims.

Wow - please run a business one day and say to your customers - "Hey! I don't care what YOU think, its what I think that matters."

LOL! Good luck having a successful business.

Things were fine before, and now ANet has a lot of pissed off customers. I know you may not be one of them, but if we don't do our job as a democratic people and let them know our complaints - how can we get anything fixed?

Of course, you are probably someone that doesn't vote, doesn't care about what goes on around them, would never stage a protest about what is right, and believes that no cop has ever lied in court. Get a life and grow up. If it wasn't for this sort of thing (people rebelling) America wouldn't even be a country under its own rule.

So yes, you can sit back and accept everything that happens to you - or you can do a little rebelling when the sh*t hits the fan.

Criminally Sane

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

With my angel.

Needs Moar [DESU]

W/

28 Oct 2006 at 15:49 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cador

Ultimately to me they seem to have made PvE even more PVP oriented.

Now you have to worry about slowing down that target. *cough* Kiting *cough*

In other words, now you might have to use your brain a little in PvE too! Something some of you complaining seem a little hesitant to do. The days of C-Space spam may be over, hoes noes.

/not directed at anyone in particular

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

28 Oct 2006 at 15:51 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Criminally Sane

In other words, now you might have to use your brain a little in PvE too! Something some of you complaining seem a little hesitant to do. The days of C-Space spam may be over, hoes noes.

/not directed at anyone in particular

Don't worry,someone will be offended.

Mai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Needs Moar[DESU]

Mo/

28 Oct 2006 at 15:53 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theus

Don't worry,someone will be offended.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Criminally Sane

In other words, now you might have to use your brain a little in PvE too! Something some of you complaining seem a little hesitant to do. The days of C-Space spam may be over, hoes noes.

/not directed at anyone in particular

I'm offended by the word "Hoes"!

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

28 Oct 2006 at 15:53 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackest Rose

Last night (playing a normal quest) I hit a monster with a sword and he ran away from me, one hit and he ran and continued to run away - what's the point of this? it doesn't make the game fun - I just ran after him, 30 secs later he runs out of places to run and I kill him.

Now do that with every monster - instead of spending my time fighting and using skills etc I'm going to spend the majority of my time chasing after stuff?
Is running after stuff considered fun - not in my book.

I was in Random Arena playing crip shot and this warrior was hitting me. twas a 1vs1 match (coz our own team mates died). i ran away from him and he kept on chasing me. he said, "OMG NOOB RUNNER, COME FIGHT". I just ran around, crippled him, ran again and after some minutes he left. And my team won. it was our 10th win. i got a gladiator point and that was the last one for me to become a Mighty Gladiator (3).

AI runs away from damage? thats good. now AI got chance to "WIN".

Running rocks.

Hell Marauder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

28 Oct 2006 at 15:53 - 69

Anet is doing this for everybody's benefit. If Anet wants to nerf solo farming, all they have to do is to place a few mesmer or necro mobs here and there, but they didn't. So all these whining about solo farming nerf is unfounded. If anything, it's bot farmers' fun that's been hurt by this update. So here is to whiners, either you're with bot farmers or you're with us the real players, pick your side.

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 15:54 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Marauder

Anet is doing this for everybody's benefit. If Anet wants to nerf solo farming, all they have to do is to place a few mesmer or necro mobs here and there, but they didn't. So all these whining about solo farming nerf is unfounded. If anything, it's bot farmers' fun that's been hurt by this update. So here is to whiners, either you're with bot farmers or you're with us the real players, pick your side.

No, if they wanted to nerf solo farming they would fix the bugs with negative rune stacking.

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 16:08 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bastian

Things were fine before, and now ANet has a lot of pissed off customers. I know you may not be one of them, but if we don't do our job as a democratic people and let them know our complaints - how can we get anything fixed?

Of course, you are probably someone that doesn't vote, doesn't care about what goes on around them, would never stage a protest about what is right, and believes that no cop has ever lied in court. Get a life and grow up. If it wasn't for this sort of thing (people rebelling) America wouldn't even be a country under its own rule.

So yes, you can sit back and accept everything that happens to you - or you can do a little rebelling when the sh*t hits the fan.

Are you as clueless and ignorant as you sound? For one, your trolling could use some work. "Of course, you are probably someone that doesn't vote, doesn't care about what goes on around them, would never stage a protest about what is right, and believes that no cop has ever lied in court. Get a life and grow up." C'mon, that's just sad. Try harder next time.

Secondly, ANet has made dozens of changes that people didn't like in the past. None of which have been reversed. Why? Because the majority of people liked and accepted them. Ever heard of "if it's not broken, don't fix it"? That's pretty much what's happening here.

Guess I'll leave you alone now, you have a revolution to lead and all. VIVA LA SPAM C-SPACE NEVER CHANGE MY BUILD EVER PVENUBS REVOLUTION!

Bastian

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/A

28 Oct 2006 at 16:20 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Are you as clueless and ignorant as you sound? For one, your trolling could use some work. "Of course, you are probably someone that doesn't vote, doesn't care about what goes on around them, would never stage a protest about what is right, and believes that no cop has ever lied in court. Get a life and grow up." C'mon, that's just sad. Try harder next time.

Secondly, ANet has made dozens of changes that people didn't like in the past. None of which have been reversed. Why? Because the majority of people liked and accepted them. Ever heard of "if it's not broken, don't fix it"? That's pretty much what's happening here.

Guess I'll leave you alone now, you have a revolution to lead and all. VIVA LA SPAM C-SPACE NEVER CHANGE MY BUILD EVER PVENUBS REVOLUTION!

Well, I won't touch on the first part - because you can't make someone care that doesn't.

But, your second statement makes absolutely no sense and I hope your GED level of education really shows. What was broken in the past? Was there as many people complaining before than there are now? Hmmm... Sound like it WASN'T Broken - so they SHOULDN'T have fixed it. But, again, i guess for the less educated out there you wouldn't understand that you make no sense.

I guess the education level is really a reason too that you don't see a necessity in ever challenging things around you. But I guess when your life's ambition is to flip burgers or work for Walmart then you wouldn't understand how challenging things has shaped this world for the better.

I guess my post wouldn't sound all that impressive to a person with the mind of 9 year old with brain cancer.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

28 Oct 2006 at 16:21 - 73

I found that Anet has scaled up GW to make it more difficult and the new inscription/armor version, better AI, micromangement / Hero npc control makes GW better.

They have evolved GW and I find it more challenging and rewarding and I love it. Wasn't the main complaint against PvE factions it was too fast, not as much content, gets boring too quick.

I agree for players that farm as there primary play style are NOT going to like changes and it's alright to state I don't like X and Y, but it's also my right to state I love X and Y and here's why

Anyone how doesn't think this game won't radically change again... look at the "orginal" launch GW to what it is now.

BrutusV

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

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W/N

28 Oct 2006 at 16:29 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Secondly, ANet has made dozens of changes that people didn't like in the past. None of which have been reversed. Why? Because the majority of people liked and accepted them.

That's a cop-out statement to make because it's the easiest to make and the least verifiable one.

The people that "accepted" changes may eventually become the majority because those that don't have stopped playing, but no one can verify that the people who accepted the changes were the majority in the beginning.

Also, people that stayed and accepted the changes may not necessarily like them even long after they have adapted to it.

I suppose if you were in Boston when the English imposed higher tea taxes you'll just adapt too huh.

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 16:31 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bastian

Well, I won't touch on the first part - because you can't make someone care that doesn't.

But, your second statement makes absolutely no sense and I hope your GED level of education really shows. What was broken in the past? Was there as many people complaining before than there are now? Hmmm... Sound like it WASN'T Broken - so they SHOULDN'T have fixed it. But, again, i guess for the less educated out there you wouldn't understand that you make no sense.

I guess the education level is really a reason too that you don't see a necessity in ever challenging things around you. But I guess when your life's ambition is to flip burgers or work for Walmart then you wouldn't understand how challenging things has shaped this world for the better.

I guess my post wouldn't sound all that impressive to a person with the mind of 9 year old with brain cancer.

I'm not even going to touch any parts of your statement but the wrong ones... oh wait, that's everything you've posted. <_<

Let me rephrase then, I'll only touch the part that refers to Guild Wars. 55 monks got a huge nerf with protective bond back in the day. Thousands of players cried about it. No change was made. Why? 'Cause no change needed to be made. Same thing applies now. Adapt a little - it's part of the Guild Wars universe. If you ever played a little PvP, you'd know how to adapt by now. Well, either that or you're still a scrub. Which, btw, you do sound like. Not willing to adapt? Play something else.

Don't see the relevance between A GAME and LIFE. You want to start a war because your precious build in a game doesn't work as well as it used to, have fun. Morons. >_>

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

28 Oct 2006 at 16:43 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bastian

Things were fine before, and now ANet has a lot of pissed off customers.

Yeah, the chinese bot farmers are crying a great deal.

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Of course, you are probably someone that doesn't vote, doesn't care about what goes on around them, would never stage a protest about what is right, and believes that no cop has ever lied in court.

Assume more.

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Get a life and grow up.

Says someone crying over changes to a computer game.

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So yes, you can sit back and accept everything that happens to you - or you can do a little rebelling when the sh*t hits the fan.

How, exactly, is this a terrible crime that you must oppose. More importantly, what exactly are you opposing? Your own incapability to play the game?

xXa1

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 16:57 - 77

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Originally Posted by Avarre

There is a reason Anet are game developers and you are not. One of these reasons is because they know better how to create a game.

PvE is fine. PvP is excellent with some nice implementations like the new PvP chars.

The game is not a democracy. I assure you, for every complaint you make I can find someone that disagrees with you. Anet listens to the majority - and you are not in it.

The only one being arrogant is you for assuming the developers are here to make the game on your whims.

exactly the kind of arrogance i was referring to.

you know avarre, if this is the way you run your business, it is no surprise why you have all the time to do all the things you do ... no customers eh?

like any business, game developers need to develop the game FOR the market otherwise the only income they are going to get is from the likes of you and that really isn't going to be much.

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

28 Oct 2006 at 17:06 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXa1

exactly the kind of arrogance i was referring to.

you know avarre, if this is the way you run your business, it is no surprise why you have all the time to do all the things you do ... no customers eh?

like any business, game developers need to develop the game FOR the market otherwise the only income they are going to get is from the likes of you and that really isn't going to be much.

Funny, I see just as many people disagreeing that the "nerf" needs changing as I do complaining about it. Who's to say who the market is here, when it's split pretty evenly?

The Pointless

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Stuck in the UK

Rage International [RAGE]

W/Me

28 Oct 2006 at 17:09 - 79

Quote:

like any business, game developers need to develop the game FOR the market otherwise the only income they are going to get is from the likes of you and that really isn't going to be much.

Yeah, and because of that "market", many of today's games are genuinely pathetic.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

28 Oct 2006 at 17:25 - 80

You know what happens when all a video game company does is Fanservice?

You end up with crap like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X-2

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No depth. Just PURE fanservice.

If ANY sort of artist (musician, painter, game designer) stopped creating and instead all they did was listen to their fans, what do you get?

A sell out. Something with no heart.

Something that didn't come from their HEART.

Something that came from their minds and hungry wallets.

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I'll make an analogy using my job.

Im a digital artist. I draw stuff (*golf clap*)

Now....If i client comes up to me, and says to me "Hey, can you make an illustration based on the concept of a 'Formidable Challenge' ?"

Im going to sit down and brainstorm and come up with ideas and present to the client.

Now heres the thing. Some clients will always think they know better. THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS.

"Blah blah, but this other guy did this, why dont you do that? why do you have to do that?"

Just SHUT UP and let me do the job you paid me to do. I'm designing FOR YOU. YOU are not designing for yourself because YOU werent trained to. YOU dont have the experience, the technical know-how, or the right mindset to do the job you hired someone else to do. Just TRUST me to do my job. And trust yourself that you picked the right artist.

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All you see is your piece of the puzzle. The creator's job is the see the whole picture.