Anet should nerf second to last NF mission spoilers

TechnoSword

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

International SuperStars

W/Mo

06 Nov 2006 at 07:20 - 41

I dont see why its so hard for some people. me and 3 others (the rest heros) beat him on the second try. All he does is chase a single target and kite. At the time I was a paragon the rest were paragon, ranger, and heros were 2x woh, ele, ss necro, and prot. as soon as it started he started attacking me, all i did was kite in large circles while my team slowly burned, poisoned, and bleeded him to death, every once in a while he attacked someone else, but he would mainly attack me and all i did was kite. the only reason it took 2 tries is because we didnt have a rez sig and wanding him wasnt good enough for 3 people

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

06 Nov 2006 at 07:43 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by IIIPowerIII

I just dont get it how ppl find Madness hard, when Pain was ALOT harder....
Pain is hella easy as long as you have interrupters for the spiders. Did that one with all henches/heroes. I have harder problems with the Jennur's Horde mission.

stiffler

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

South Australia

[ToR]

06 Nov 2006 at 08:10 - 43

I tried something different, I took my Trapper in, he worked a treat. I had my Hero Necro with SV and other weakening skills, and Koss in mainly to Tank. Shiro was easy, just kept trapping at his feet after I had layed down a heap of traps into one lure spot in the doorway. If you are a sissy you could try attacking him then run off to regen then attack him again, Shiro seems to have very slow regen so that might work.

Well99

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nix Guild (NG)

N/E

06 Nov 2006 at 08:12 - 44

Agree pain was easier for me.I just quit Madness because I got so bored.I never was able to get into temple before Shiro attacked.I did it with heroes and hench.They were at -60 ..I never got killed but after rezing them constantly to try again I just said the heck with it.I tried running and gunning all the way but dp on my heroes and hench was to much.I guess I need to go to factions to get Spoil Victor..It was at it for about a hour and half.
My chr is a ranger and had the interupts just couldnt get him down enough.
I have done the whole game with heroes and hench.I guess I give it a few tries more before I join a party.Also still have a few candy canes left from xmas..guess I need to bring them.Also the lich was behind Shiro couldnt get him.As far as nerfing well it was more like work doing the quest then fun so not sure if it wouldnt hurt.Like I say this was just pretty boring to me..I enjoy most of nightfall so far.This was tedious.Also healer hench wouldnt rez at times so glad I brought resurrect...oh well

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

06 Nov 2006 at 08:48 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velvet Wing

they just spam they need monks, blood necro, and elem spikers..

All I can say is "w00t"....

I was so happy when I got to this mission...the first thing I noticed was "GLF Air Ele"...I was like WTF! I have played an air elementalist through factions, then through prophecies and I got turned down several times because I was air...not fire (this is despite the fact that I have everything required to use any type of magic...it's just noone bothers to ask). I feel for you, honestly, because I have been in the situation that no-one wants an ele oh so many times before.

Quote: Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain I had to do this with players. Shiro seemed to get attached to certain partymembers more then others. For instance, any Paragon seems to be his favorite (male preferably??, Shiro is obviously ga*) I noticed this love for Paragons also. And it seems to be with any enemy...like me and my brother were killing Heket during some quest. He plays a paragon and I play a monk. Even when I went in to aggro the Heket first AS SOON as they saw his Paragon they lynched him. Very odd.

Quote: Originally Posted by akh but it's much harder compared to the very last mission. It doesn't make sense. Strikes me it's like Factions. Raisu Palace, when I played through the first time, made Imperial Sanctum seem disappointingly easy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirit of Azrael

You fail at life. That mish is very easy. Gotta love people like this! I went into that mission with some guy who claims to have done it before with 2 monks and 6 eles and shiro dropped. I can easily believe this...but...there are never 6 eles around when you need them. I think "you fail at life" is a little bit harsh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IIIPowerIII

I just dont get it how ppl find Madness hard, when Pain was ALOT harder.... No, not really. A friend and I tried it with humans and failed twice. Took heroes and it went like a charm. I cringe at the thought of going with humans now.

auntie ying

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Hom Kingdom[HK]

Mo/W

06 Nov 2006 at 08:49 - 46

The last 2 missions are quite easy, you guys better check the wiki for the walkthrough.

wassup1444465

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Slash Rank [DeeR]

06 Nov 2006 at 11:12 - 47

How much does it help to cap the shrines like people say? I got there with heros but I made a few key mistakes and wound up dying. Like, what exactly do the shrines do for me if I go and cap them once I kill the Lich?

Masta Devious

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Gods of Nothing

W/Mo

06 Nov 2006 at 12:23 - 48

Do heros and henchies get all the blessings automatically ?

TheSonofDarwin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Black Hand Gang [BHG]

Mo/

06 Nov 2006 at 13:01 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masta Devious

Do heros and henchies get all the blessings automatically ? Automatically? If you mean by default, no. If you mean do they get them whenever you activate the shrines, yes. You can pull up your hero skillbar to see that.

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

06 Nov 2006 at 13:11 - 50

Before anyone goes on....

IMPOSSIBLE ODDS IS A SKILL NOT A STANCE!
(aka wild blow doesn't work...)

It's a common myth, don't feel bad if you suggested it =/

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

06 Nov 2006 at 13:16 - 51

You dont take wild blow to get rid impossible odds, you take it to get rid of Battle Scars the one were he takes heals when you hit him or something.
I cant see why people wouldnt want a warrior for this mission, one to tank shiro, and two for wild blow. If you tank him away from the rest of the group imp odds is not a problem.
And sorry to post but yes I did it with my war and henchies, I didnt have spoil victor, or blinding stuff, the only thing that helped me with shiro was wild blow, actually had more trouble getting to the bosses than killing them.

drekmonger

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

A/E

06 Nov 2006 at 14:25 - 52

Step 1: Kill the lich. He's a push over.

Step 2: Cap all the shrines. You can more or less ignore Shiro while you do this if you have a sufficient number of monks.

Step 3: Cast Spoil Victor on Shiro.

The end.

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

06 Nov 2006 at 14:55 - 53

Noooo, don't nerf the content, what fun is there in a game that u can breeze thru without breaking a sweat. Waste of precious money IMO. Maybe some ppl finally get forced to make a build that goes somewhere :P

Well99

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nix Guild (NG)

N/E

06 Nov 2006 at 15:41 - 54

I know I will try again today.I going to see if I can slip by Shiro to get to shrines.Just a note to those that did it easy...kudoes. To those that made snide remarks... it is that type of crock that makes using heroes and hench such a pleasure.I also remember doing FI with a bunch of little suzies that talked smack and when the pug for mission started they were the first to afk or bail out of the game.If you feel the need to talk trash try www.talkischeap..com .
This doesnt apply to those that did have a easy time of it and those that were trying to be helpful.Just to those that feel the need to add their little smart @@@ remarks.
It is a game.You buy games to have fun....oh well

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

06 Nov 2006 at 16:07 - 55

Velath

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada

06 Nov 2006 at 16:19 - 56

Hey guys some good comments there. I tried this mission twice with a guildie last night but had to get up early so didn't get a third try in. I had no idea about Spoil Victor (never played necro) so this is one that should really help. Also didn't think about the bonus for, uhh, the bonus, so thanks there too. The lich was easy as I just interrupted it all the time, makes him drop without doing much dmg.

I'm a sin and was blinding him, and I know with impossible odds that just makes me blind, (which I wasn't doing much dmg so no loss there), but do you all think that's fine or should I leave him alone and just hope he aggros me and kite? Although I think he was liking my dervish guildie more, must have been his dress!

it was:
sin <- me
dervish <- guildie
koss tanking and wild blow
mm with SS (it was strange but wanted to see if it would help 2nd time)
zhed <- had him setup as anti-melee mesmer ish build cause I got Goran even though I clicked Norgu (should have read more carefully) :S
2x monks (though turns out guildie had heroes both set for healing...)
illusion hench

Now I have some better ideas from this thread so thanks for that!

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

06 Nov 2006 at 17:09 - 57

If you can't beat this you are doing somthing wrong. Not to be mean, but aNet pretty much made it clear that Nightfall was going to require more tactics and planning.

Like everyone said, bring a Spoil Victor necro (Dear god, one of the most unknown factions elites is vital here.) with Insidious Parasite for when he drops below the required HP, and a Air Ele with Blinding Flash and Shiro is out of there. I was able to just sit back and take his attacks thanks to the Air Ele.

Sad thing is that right when I got to Gate of Madness, I left to cap Spoil Victor to be prepared.

Well99

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nix Guild (NG)

N/E

06 Nov 2006 at 17:25 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Lol, i'm not that L33t, just persistent. If u got a fun group failing is no problem, u laugh about it and try again, Don't mean to be a smart ass at all. I cant offer help though, I didn't do this mission yet, but i did encounter other ones that needed a few tries, like defeating varesh. Tried it 7 times and laughed my arse off. So much for my L33t-ness That wasnt in reference to you.Just general statement to some who made SA remarks.
I think persistance is what GW is all about.The game seems to center on that IMABHO.I know I have been spanked by mission or quest more than my fair share.If your haveing fun who cares.Too many take this game seriously.Anyhoo I think it is time to get Spoiled Victor....Good luck with game.

wassup1444465

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Slash Rank [DeeR]

06 Nov 2006 at 21:39 - 59

Once again, since everyone ignored it the first time, what exactly does capping the shrines DO other than help? What specifically will it do for me?

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

06 Nov 2006 at 21:39 - 60

Give you the bonus.

wassup1444465

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Slash Rank [DeeR]

06 Nov 2006 at 21:47 - 61

Then how does that help in killing shiro and why does everyone say to do that to kill him?

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

06 Nov 2006 at 22:20 - 62

You are summoning a lvl30 GOD to your side. And 5 of them no less.

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

06 Nov 2006 at 23:47 - 63

All you need to do is get to shiro have atleast 2 monks... one must have light of deliverance and heal party... both must take guardian and prot spirit with a few atts in prot prayers.

1. get to shiro and lich
2. kill off lich IGNORE SHIRO DO NOT ATTACK HIM EVEN IF HE IS ATTACKING YOU. Shiro doesn't do much dmg if he is healthy.
3. Go to the 5 temples and kill the mobs there. For each temple you gain you gain a different buff. PLEASE NOTE shiro will be attacking you while you do this just ingore him and pretend he is not there. He will usually go after one soft target and that is what the gaurdian is for... just gaurdian spamm him and he won't do much.
4. Once all 5 temples are captured proceed to go after shiro
5. With all the god buffs you should have no problems.

PROT SPIRIT IS YOUR BEST FRIEND PLEASE PVE MONKS DROP THAT HEALING BREEZE AND TAKE PROT SPIRIT... PLEASE!!!!

Priest Of Sin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne.

Live For The Swarm [ZERG]

Me/N

07 Nov 2006 at 04:09 - 64

Sooooooooo much dervish hate... it's not OUR fault we die in two hits from ele skills. Oh well.

I'll try the Blinding Flash/Spoil Victor henchway build... maybe put IWAY in Koss' skillbar for kicks.

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

07 Nov 2006 at 04:11 - 65

I will revenge you will probably fuel Impossible Odds, so I would be careful.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

07 Nov 2006 at 04:30 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Highwind

You are summoning a lvl30 GOD to your side. And 5 of them no less. Yes. Because +20 Armor vs. Elemental really helps against Shiro's blades.

The Altars are only necessary for the Bonus, really. It's easy to do, so you might as well.

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

07 Nov 2006 at 04:35 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

Yes. Because +20 Armor vs. Elemental really helps against Shiro's blades. ...Wait they don't fight with you? That's rather gay.

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

07 Nov 2006 at 05:19 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

Sooooooooo much dervish hate... it's not OUR fault we die in two hits from ele skills. Oh well.

I'll try the Blinding Flash/Spoil Victor henchway build... maybe put IWAY in Koss' skillbar for kicks. If you maintain vital boon, mystic regeneration, and conviction a dervish can tank pretty well; and avatar of balthazar doesn't hurt. That's how I tanked shiro.

Artkin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

RARE

W/Mo

07 Nov 2006 at 10:49 - 69

I'm a warrior...I took heroes/henchies and got masters on the third try...just go about it smart

linh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/

07 Nov 2006 at 11:22 - 70

Old thing: "Thunderhead Keep mission is too hard. Please nerf it."

noir0

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

07 Nov 2006 at 13:14 - 71

don't ask me how i did it but i kinda soloed shiro >_>.

I ran down to the bit where he was nursing his wounds (about half health since he always runs away..) and tried to lure him.. he just stood there.. my henchies/heroes were back up the hill so i attacked him.. no response he just stood there spamming battle scar.. so i proceded to chip away at his health for about 30 odd mins.. then he died >_>. Was using a bleeding/burning/wildthrow spear paragon btw.

(This was after killing the lich.)

moenbase

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

07 Nov 2006 at 14:43 - 72

Haven't been able to come to the Shiro and Lich fight yet.
I keep getting killed when I try to kill those portal wraiths.
Those darkness creeps keep respawning everytime. And those Titans, Margonites and Wraiths keeps killing me.
Any trick to do this right?

Also im not sure what to do at the Shiroken part. Whenever you kill a group, another group just respawns.

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

07 Nov 2006 at 17:24 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by moenbase

Yeah, I think this part is harder than it seems based on the little attention it gets. Everybody complains about Shiro. In a nutshell - you have to kill the 3 wraiths to close the portal. As long as the portal remains open, the Shiroken will continually respawn. Just try to control aggro as best you can, isolate the wraiths whenever possible, and close those portals. The wraiths aren't difficult - isolating them can be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wassum1444465

Then how does that help in killing shiro and why does everyone say to do that to kill him? For each of the shrines that you capture, you receive that God's blessing. I haven't looked too closely at each of the icons during the mission, as I've been kind of busy with the task at hand, but I assume they are the blessings that you normally get from each of the Gods, such as increased life, energy, whatever. I found it quite easy to take down Shiro after getting the blessings ( don't know if it was because of the blessings or not ) by just spacing out my heroes. Shiro went down and my party's red bars didn't really go down much. Also, I brought a minion master, which was nice to keep Shiro occupied (and he actually deaggroed) while I was capping the shrines.

rezabm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nightshift Resurrection

07 Nov 2006 at 18:49 - 74

I think this mission is adequatly hard and doesn't need nerf.

What needs nerf is Domain of Fear, when you leave the outpost you face huge mobs of lvl28 monsters wandering around, there is nowhere to lure, many times the mobs spawn directly at the entrance and you're dead before the map loads...you just get spiked by dozen Deep Freezes and that's it. I just wanted to explore the area with heroes/hench and I got to DP60% before I lost the town portal from my compas view...this area really sucks big time.

Velath

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada

07 Nov 2006 at 19:03 - 75

^ Do you have the Master's Quest in your log at the time? If so, abandon it and go explore again, it shouldn't be that difficult.

Finally got through it last night with henchies/heros.

About the portal wraiths though, the trick is all aggro. When I first get near a portal I'll lure a group of margonites (or whatever) if there are 4 of them. Kill them, then two more should spawn. I then ignore them, run in and kill the wraiths, picking up whatever spawned after. I'll also usually wait till they move a little way off so they don't aggro till they come back. Really just sit tight for a minute and see what direction they move in and you shouldn't have too many problems.

The lich went down real easy, I blinded him for good measure and interrupt his vortex spell, and he doesn't do much damage. Shiro chased the henchies around for good measure but doesn't do too much damage at that point.

With Shiro alone I took him on like normal, blind is hilarious before he gets to impossible odds, but that's when the fun starts. I pulled him up into the corridor leading in, and he does a small run back and forth thing depending on where you are. My strategy was this: I would attack him from about 50% health to where he activates IO. During this time I had my ranger setting barbed and flame traps behind me and Devona (you could probably use more but it isn't necessary) then when IO activates I flag them and run back. Shiro pursues of course and happily trips the traps. Then I just threw on Flashing Blades and attacked. It was enough that with my Spoil Victor/Insidious/reckless haste mm and air ele he dropped before Flashing Blades even ran out, and I tanked Shiro with my sin! It was funny that after three tries I finally killed Shiro and no one died. But I didn't go for masters so I have a suspicion that's what I'll be doing in the near future!

This mission is tough compared to many others, but look for a strategy and he goes down fairly easy. GL

Mistress Mindbender

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

07 Nov 2006 at 19:09 - 76

I briefly skimmed this thread so I could have missed it....

One thing I didn't see mentioned is that all hexes, and conditions drop off shiro when he uses impossible odds (doesn't just spread). So just wait to reapply blind, spoil ect after he uses that.

Also, if shiro is the hangup of this mission, go practice in imperial sanctum with henches and your heros. Just dont use celestial skills. If you can beat him there, you should have no problem here.

Anet toned shiro down quite a bit for this mission, so be greatful for that. He won't use banish or meditation.

Duncan Idaho

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

07 Nov 2006 at 20:28 - 77

Done with 3 heroes and 4 henchies. If Anet nerf it, they'd better toughen Abbadon... i cannot believe a god is such a weakling

bigroach

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/Rt

07 Nov 2006 at 21:52 - 78

I was stuck on it for awhile but eventually I beat it with heroes/hench.

I was a warrior and just used stances to defend against shiro while the rest of the party killed him. no special offensive skills or anything. the important and hard part is manuevering so that he is only attacking you and not other people. you probably have to use the npc control flags for this. I found outside the entrance to be a good spot to stand.

Ic Zero

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

07 Nov 2006 at 21:58 - 79

1. Me (paragon)
2. Master of Whispers w/ spoil victor
3. Koss w/ wild blow
4. Zhed w/ Blurred vision
5. Mhenlo
6.Kihm
7.Cynn
8.Herta

lightblade

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Etereal Guard

Me/Mo

07 Nov 2006 at 23:48 - 80

Gr....blind is a must, bring Zhed with you...Aura of Restoration, Air attune, ether prodigy, blinding flash, e. charge, glyph of lesser energy.

and a second blood nec with spoil victor and empathy will solve the problem.

and make sure you have 2 warriors to tank him, it's the only class that can survive impossible odds

Anet should nerf second to last NF mission *spoilers*

Anet should nerf second to last NF mission spoilers