When did Anet decide to stop caring about PvP?

I would love to know. In both this forum as the Gwonline.net forum pvp players are angry at Anet for all the recent changes in HA. But instead of listening, responding to us, Gaile ignores us, and simply states that the majority of people is happy with HA atm.

Yeah big deal if you only check the PvE forums right? Since when have PvE players become the PvP community?

And because you don't read the PvP forum, and because you don't respond to my PM asking you politely to check the pvp forum, I am posting this here, in the hope that you will actually read it.

Or is fixing the way black and grey dye looks more important to you than fixing the HA mess?

What mess? All I see are happy players being able to play in HA without spamming for 4 hours then getting kicked out just because of lower rank. Oh, and that Eles are only doing their job as a damage dealer, nothing wrong there.

Actually I do agree with you, they need to fix the mess that is HA....fix rank.

PvP characters are now better in every possible way than PvE characters.
There is a PvP-only edition.
Increased faction and fame points.

Yeah, they did decide to stop caring about PvP.
Completely.

Yeah everybody happy, except for the people who actually play it often w/o farming the same build over and over again.

Um, they didn't? Do you remember factions?

If HoH was happy and healthy, they won't of shaken things up to try to get new players to try it out (it's suppose to be end game by design originally, now you can work exclusivily within in PvP) be elitism-rank, too static builds, or rift / challenges on bringing your characters over.

Are you talking about GW Factions? We're not talking about skills here, we're talking about the METAGAME. Which is bad with heroes in HA, making it a PVE place and a lot of skills that need a tweak. The only thing gaile can say is: the majority likes it, watch teh polls @ pve forumzzzzzz

We just want to know if you're gonna fix things, heroes don't belong in HA, skill tweaking needs to happen FASTER.

edit: ppl start talking about rank elitism, which doesnt excist, ALL players had a hard time getting their r3, but we all got it because we were motivated. Elitism isnt the problem, new players attitude is.

Fix rank? Sounds like someone who tried to IWAY to r3 and failed.

HA is a mess, plain and simple. You guys dont even play HA so wtf can you reconcile with him about? Nowadays, your just as likely to get beat by a r10+ team as you are a 1 person SF team. Granted, you can outsmart the 1 person team, the heroes are like bots, using interupts on the dot, and SF is just unbelievabley yelling for a nerf.

Increasing Faction doesnt help any of us in HA, just unlocks more skills.
Increased Fame?? Where?

Please dont agree/disagree with a subject unless you know both side of the argument, you guys obviously dont know how it feels to get ganked in an altar match by heroes and lose in the last 10 seconds.

Damn i forgot everyone who plays GW, posts on forums

Resultaten behaald in het verleden bieden geen garantie voor de toekomst.

Anyway, how does factions justify the current state of the game? It doesn't. Hey: crying about black dye? It looked great in prophecies, so why complain now it looks bad?

I don't think they ignored or messed up PvE at the release of factions did they? So why do so with PvP at the release of nightfall?

oooh yeah, mess up HA real good, and give us some lame hero battles with no unique reward.

Oh and yes they did avtually not ignore PvP completely with the templates: they didn't keep the old system in PvP, but changed it together with the PvE system, hell they even made it work.

Anyway, I'm not here for a flame fest, this is a serious question to Gaile, because she, and therefore Anet altogether, ignores PvP community.

I wouldn't say anet stopped caring about PvP. I mean, they're still keeping up the GvG ladder seasons with prizes, gave us a huge update to the PvP char interface in Nightfall...

My complaint is only about HA, and I think so is yours... I'd suggest you change the thread title to address HA specifically and why anet decided to kill it with 6v6 and bots if you want it to be taken seriously and not flamed to hell and back.

This (about 3/4 down) and this (top) really shows how much anet is determined to kill HA. Gaile is dismissing these questions just like the ever-present PvE questions about extra storage, hairdressers, etc.

And this proves my point that it's useless to post anything in Riverside, because the "majority" likes the changes. It's only the HA community that's objecting. *giant roll eyes smiley*

The only thing that need fixing is this SF spell, that outplaces ALL fire spells by effect for cost + recharge. Beating a hero+hench team was never been so hard.

Well in economy class they told me any enquete or research should be completely random.

I would call the entire forum community quite random. Just the PvE forum....uhm...nope.

hyro, you are calling for changes, and Gaile to read it but at the same type, change what?

Give some examples of things that need to be changed or reverted back?
Is it only HoH or other PvP, (Alliance Battles, Hero Battles, RA, TA, etc).

This is not a flame, the way you stated issue with pvp and not citing specific examples may cause people to feel your trying to stir the pot up without that being your intention.

Gaile Gray does not decide on how PvP will be done. She cannot wave some magic wand and make everything be exactly how you want it to be. Her job is to be convey the voice of the community. While there have been some people that have complained about the HA changes, there are plenty out there that like the changes.

Also, your topic was about how A-net stopped caring about PvP, but your real beef seems to be that you don't like the HA change and are upset that they haven't changed it back. In case you didn't notice, A-net completely fixed PvP characters to now be equals to any PvE char in a PvP situation. PvP chars can now be changed and customized without being deleted and remade. Even the reduced hex helm is available for PvP characters now. Did you not notice that PvPers are now rewarded with extra faction storage for gaining special achievements now also? Yea, you got it, A-net is completely ignoring PvP.

I agree with yanking the heroes out of HA they really don't belong. There's nothing wrong with HA other than that. A-net is not ignoring the PvP players at all. In fact, I'd argue that A-net is trying to do everything possible to get more players into PvP. They instituted the heroes so rank elitists don't keep snobbing newbs (not noobs) out who want to learn how to PvP. They reduced the 8v8 to 6v6 to 1. make GvG the pinacle of PvP and 2. to make it quicker to get a group formed. I know in the past I've been standing around for 45+ minutes 7/8 trying to find another player. I like the changes to HA. People who are good players are going to continue to win regardless of changes they make. People who aren't, (cough, IWAY, cough) are going to rant and complain. Bottom line.

BTW, I'm rank 6 ... just to avoid all those "you're only PvE" comments that will undoubtably follow my post.

Even if SF was overpowered, this is not about skill balance. This thread is about the general situation in current HA.

While I disagree about Searing Flames, skill balancing is important, but only secondary. If your car doesn't run, you worry about it not running first and about having a broken window second.

happened before, will still happen, just give them some time to work on it, wait for the "skill readjustments" after the end of this season and things will probably change

my guess, paragons and eles are gonna get the nerf bat

They need to split the game in half no one plays both parts anymore. Spin off the battle isles and be done with it. PvP'rs wrecks havic with the skills which ruins it for PvE'rs. Then rankless clueless pve'rs post and whine about everything in pvp destroying HA which they dont even play. A PvE toon cant even get a skill point in the arena unless they win a gazillion matches to get 15k XP because they cant use faction, the skill welfare system for pvp'rs. Its over and done with, time to go our seperate ways.

Rank eliteism doesn't exist? Wow, must be nice to be able to delude yourself like that. Personally, I think the rank system was one of the worst ideas they could have implimented, making many new players far too frustrated by others before they even begin.

I just find it amusing that so many who are quick to berate people who prefer PvE now are crying out so quickly when faced with AI opponents. At any rate, the immature conduct of a fair number of people in the PvP realm left me disinterested in it long ago, so I really don't care.

Elementalists do not need a nerf bat. They desperately needed a buff. They have for quite some time. I'd just like to see the buff from somewhere other than fire. A-net has some pyro working on the skill development team. Ele's are supposed to be the highest damage dealers in the game. Obviously for anyone who's played for 2+ weeks know that's not the case. Unless of course you're facing a PvE boss. I feel the new combo of SF, glowing gaze, whatever the rest of it is, is very powerful. The big difference here is that unlike real people, the heroes ... do what they are told to do. They follow target calls and stay on target. Ele's are finally getting back to a point where they need to be shut down. That's good. Still need some more buff, but definitely going in the right direction. Paragons can be easily taken down with two skills from necro. Well of Silence and Vocal Minority = useless Paragon = gg.

anyone who cries about rank and fame is lazy. i started out with no fame and ended up playing with people i know who in some cases were well over r9 while i was only like r3. if you put a little work in and build up a friends list of pvpers who dont rage quit all the time then getting fame is easy.

Well, you obviously don't play PvE, so don't even mention it. PvE was totally screwed the day before the release of Nightfall. HA does not encompass all of PvP. Maybe you should retitle your post.

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10072462

Go sign the petition thread. Stop making threads like this.

Accusation and inflammatory remarks will get you nowhere.

Gaile will NEVER respond to anyone's PMs.

That is more true a year ago when people are all rushing into prophecies. Now most of the good people are pretty much secluded in their little group never to be seen, or is flashing their animal along with the fame farmers. Now that the population increase is declining (as all mmorpg does) the later a person starts in HA, the harder it is for he/her to find decent players to play with.

Current I am at rank 6, but I am not blind...I can see that its getting more difficult every month that goes by.

P.S. A GOOD party formation system would help to alleviate this problem a bit.

Everyone is able to get his rank 9, therefore it is not elitist.

Rank makes it easier to find a decent group, since there IS a bigger chance that higher ranks know more about PvP then lower ranks do. Not saying they're better, they probably have learned more then lower ranked.

Not saying higher ranks are better then lower ranks, my guild took unranked players as well and let them win HoH while getting their r1, but we knew that they where good players before we took them.

but rank DOES say something about your experience, which is pretty much the key in HA. Sure some players learn faster then others, seen n00b r9's as well, that doesnt make the rank system unfair.

ok some ppl here are talking nonsense and some are just IMAGINATING things.
i'll point out some facts, hoping to shed a light of truth in this mess.

1. The topic of this thread is NOT rank elitism which is still present. The problem is the general state of HA which is bad because of Heroes and 6 man party.

2. NOBODY is complaining about the new options to create a pvp char. everything is good about templates and such.

3. Fame points recieved for each match have NOT been increased. (the person saying that is most likely a pve player)

4. Balthazar Faction points for kills and wins have been increased.

those basic things being made clear, i don't understand what's Anet's motivation to make HA 6v6.

rank elitism is just as present today as it was 3 months ago. nothing could change that mainly because rank and reputation of a person DOES make a difference. everytime i got a pug into my party, he did bad. so even if it's 8 ppl or 6 ppl party rank elitism will always be there.

half the teams are hench/heroway which makes pvp, Player vs Ai which makes the game very boring.

The whole point to HA is the fame gain which is best gained by holding the hall of heroes. the party being shrinked to 6, ppl had to come up with new ideas to make a defensive build. we all know hoh is dominated by paragon teams (4 defensive chars) or monk spike. the problem is that these days i've found myself settling who wins with /roll 100. when ppl are COMMONLY having to decide who wins by /roll , there's definatelly something wrong with the status of PvP.

ppl are running 4 char defensive builds not because we're lame, but because it's the only option anet left us with. since the party has been shrinked to 6 and the song of concentration came into play, the only option to hold halls is to keep that ghost up for 4 minutes and ppl will do whatever it takes to do that.

before this idiotic change to the 8 man party, ppl had more CHOICE to make an effective build. it's all over now. i seriously enjoyed more to see iway than these fully defensive builds that make a HA match longer than a GVG. personally i can't wait to get my r12 and be done for good with HA.

I'm pretty sure Anet doesn't give a damn about these pvp problems because the majority of ppl playing this game are pve and farm bots for ebay.

Grats hiro, you made another useless thread to complain about Searing Flames and rank elitism.

I guess when this one gets locked, I'll try to make a proper one with big red writing saying "THIS THREAD IS ABOUT 6V6 AND HEROES IN HA, NOT ABOUT SEARING FLAMES"

:/

I'm not a hardcore HA pvper, I much prefer GvG, but that's not to say I don't do HA on occasion. Not everyone is rank elitest, but saying it doesn't exist is BS, I should know, I'm only rank 2. I have plenty of pvp experience, but that doesn't mean I have a nice easy time finding a group in HA if I want to go there.

As far as heroes in HA go, maybe things should be tweaked such that any group entering can only have a TOTAL of 4 computer controlled members, be they heroes or henchmen. This would keep you limited to still having atleast 4 real people on a team, heroes are still just henchmen that you have a little bit of control over.

What if you had only had 7/8 players on and wanted to GvG?
ANET I want R9 Champion nerf GvG, make it 6V6 so I can GvG easier.

WTF the top 10 wont let me into there championship teams, ELITISM! WTF Zhed run the flag zomg anet why can't I get champion points make its so rating 500 and above counts for champ title, oh and make the maps smaller I don't like how long it takes, RA size should be fine, no environments, or NPCs either I want to fight teams head to head like a real man. WTF morale boost this takes too long no flagstand. Give me bonuses when my rating is lower then the other guilds, come on ANET.

ANET GVG is stale the same builds are run over and over again i'm tired of Warriors they do too much damage eles should be made better.

TY Anet for searing flames I can now win battles by mashing buttons while Heros do the work, this is even easier then C + Spacebar.

Searing flames is imbalanced, no way eles are supposed to be the #1 damage dealers in the game, if anything rodgorts invocation should have a 1/4 cast time cost 5 energy, do 500 damage, and instantly recharge.

/Sarcasm Off

The rank system is the greatest invention Anet has come up with, it allows more skillfull players to inerpet which rank of players they would like to play with. So we dont have to waste time digging through our friends list and looking for random people and asking \"you good?, whats your skillbar, can you do this, that etc\"

Elitism at its finest....but thankfully we have heroes, so no problem I guess.

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10072462

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GWO has PvP players?? And Boston has Yankees fan.

Muwahahahha.

NF is the best thing to happen to PvP since Prophecies!

And HA does not equal PvP. It is one of the components of GW PvP - and kind of low level in most hardcore PvP players opinion.

Every PvP player I know loves the NF changes.
6v6 HA is the best thing to happen to HA.

i totally agree with you. it's hard enough to make a good team. if there was no difference between ppl, it would be a nightmare. we already have to sort through ranked ppl who are just as bad as unranked. imagine if there was no rank, most of us would of raged out of frustration of finding too many bad players.

and about those gvg players that have trouble finding a team in HA, that's bullshit. everybody knows the top guilds and i'll guarantee u that if u're from a top guild, nobody will ask u to show your rank in HA. and if you're not from a known gvg guild then it means u're not so good at pvp anyway so why would high rank ppl get u in their team?

PvE people claim they got screwed when Factions came out
PvP people now claim they get screwed since Nightfall is out..

Can we please get a good balance or something next time where we don't have to hear anyone bitching. These pety children need to grow up and enjoy the game for what it is. Seriously, the biggest bunch of whiners I have ever seen. Worse than a pregnant woman craving Taco Bell at 3am...

well I'm focused at HA, but I recall Alliance battles needing a fix as well, oh and heroway is in no way rewarding, or inventive: it's going to be dead soon, Anet should do something to make it attractive. And solutions for HA have been posted in the HA forums, and many (including one of my own) in sardeliac.

I was in fact talking about Anet not giving any comments about the HA, mess, in fact no comments as well on the Alliance battle complaining, and yes they have done things for PvP, but: Templates were related directly to pvE, I mean, it's not like it's a pvp special, they just modified it to fit on PvP, and: woohoo, some extra fame, not like anyone needed that though.

They only do minor stuff they think is needed, but they don't listen to the PvP community to decide what changes are in demand, and that is what I'm talking about.



I already did due. Anyway, yes PvE wasn't al that great on the release of Factions, but this is a fundamental change, it's not like you can go back to prophecies and play a good HA match, but please do give me an example of how wrecked PvE was when Factions came out.

i am not the one flaming,a nd I'm making this thread after a long time of waiting, countless threads of others in HA forum. Perhaps gaile should respond, i want to draw her attention.

This is what it should say. I think the idea that HA is supposedly 'low level' comes from GvGers who have don't ever HA who go into HA and expect to pwn because GvG is 1337er, but instead get destroyed by IWAY or OGSPIKE over and over again. (This was true in 8v8, now it isn't, The vast majority of teams in HA now are now free fame, there is a lack of competition in HA now.)

This true for some guilds, but not for all, many guilds excel at both GvG and HA.

This is pure and total BS.

Searing Flames is not the problem. Get over it already.

The problem is that heroway is allowed at all. And it isn't a problem of heroway being difficult to beat - it isn't. Any good guild team considers heroway free fame. The problem is that people play PvP for a PvP experience - not to fight bots. It's like going to the arcade to play against real people and then playing the CPU instead. If I wanted to do that I could have just stayed home. Several good HA guilds have moved on to GvG (ie. 'real PvP') because HA is a completely lost cause at this point.

Getting more people to participate is counter-productive if they're doing it by bringing heroes instead of making real teams. It doesn't actually teach anybody anything, and it's just frustrating/amusing for the players who actually know what they're doing. A noob with SF ele heroes is still a noob, and they will still get rolled in 15 seconds by good teams.

I can't believe people are still bringing up rank elitism. Rank elitism exists for a reason. A lot of people who HA have no business being in good teams. High rank doesn't guarantee high skill by any means, but it's a reasonable indicator of experience. If you had no rank system, PuGing HA would be pretty much impossible because it would be too difficult to put together a decent team. At least with the current system you still have some chance. Do you honestly believe that someone who has HA'd for a week should be allowed on teams with members who have HA'd for a year? Not bloody likely.

This si in fact my first complaining thread. Perhaps you are reffering to my thread in Sardeliac? That was a solution, not a complaint, anyway my name is still Hyro, and i wonder if this thread is useless, people complaining about the looks of black dye seem to get attention, so why not me? Why not the majority of the HA community present on these forums?

Anyway, yes 6v6 had a reason, getting groups more easy. Okay, I didn't like it: 8v8 was harder and more diverse (oh yes flame em, but it was more diverse than 90% searing flames and 10% others), but I am willing to make offers because it helps people who don't play HA all the time.

What i am not willing to accept is that 6v6 togehter with heroes has ruïned HA: people can get teams easy....if they play with heroes, PUG'ing has become 100% ranked, usually not even r3+ anymore, but r5/6+, GG for helping people get parties more easy Anet. Oh and then there is the question of searing flames, if 90% of the people is using it for farming purposes, I would say it needs a nerf more bad than Iway did.