The intrusion of TS/Vent into mainstream PvE
Gigashadow
People in vent tend to be more polite than people just using chat in game. Perhaps they feel less anonymous. In 16 months on guildwars, using vent for pvp, I've never had people attack each other there.
Eclair
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Originally Posted by Gigashadow
People in vent tend to be more polite than people just using chat in game. Perhaps they feel less anonymous. In 16 months on guildwars, using vent for pvp, I've never had people attack each other there.
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Age
I would say you don't need to use TS/Vent for PvE even for DoA if you are in a full party.I have TS and when going to the UW sometimes we use it on 4 or 5 man alliaces parties.
Gli
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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms
To say vc is not worth it because of some human behavior is a moot argument. That is like saying 'I hate team chat because some 14 year old is spamming HEAL ME NOOB'
You have to seperate the human factor because that applies TO ALL MEDIUMS. Technical argument like lag is valid but not about some 'noob screaming in vent.' Not to mention some here just seem to fear real world social contact. |
Let me put it perfectly blunt:
I don't play Guildwars to listen to your voice. And that's a valid reason not to use Vent/TS.
Heck, when I'm pugging, something's gone wrong already. I wouldn't even be playing with you if there weren't a special circumstance enticing me to do so, like being stuck somewhere with no guildies around to help me. Or perhaps you caught me drunk. Since I have heroes now, getting stuck isn't very likely anymore. (And I don't play drunk all that often). There's no way I'm going to compound this wrongness by having your voice be part of the parcel as well.
I don't play Guildwars to make friends over the internet or be part of a virtual community. At times, I play it to unwind, other times, I play it to get fired up. I never ever play it to meet new people and socialize. That's what real life is for.
I play solo, or I play with guildies (who I all know in person), and once upon a blue moon I pug. And guess what? When I solo, I don't need voice comm. (Obviously) When I'm with guildies, we don't need voice comm. A few minutes of prep talk and we're fine. When pugging, I don't need voice comm. If you think I do, I'll go find a group of less deluded individuals. One thing I don't need is a stranger's lo-fi voice rasping out of my speakers, let alone several.
Trevor Reznik
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Originally Posted by Gli
You know, everything I decide to do in the privacy of my own home (as long as it's between consenting adults and doesn't break any laws) is valid.
Let me put it perfectly blunt: I don't play Guildwars to listen to your voice. And that's a valid reason not to use Vent/TS. Heck, when I'm pugging, something's gone wrong already. I wouldn't even be playing with you if there weren't a special circumstance enticing me to do so, like being stuck somewhere with no guildies around to help me. Or perhaps you caught me drunk. Since I have heroes now, getting stuck isn't very likely anymore. (And I don't play drunk all that often). There's no way I'm going to compound this wrongness by having your voice be part of the parcel as well. I don't play Guildwars to make friends over the internet or be part of a virtual community. At times, I play it to unwind, other times, I play it to get fired up. I never ever play it to meet new people and socialize. That's what real life is for. I play solo, or I play with guildies (who I all know in person), and once upon a blue moon I pug. And guess what? When I solo, I don't need voice comm. (Obviously) When I'm with guildies, we don't need voice comm. A few minutes of prep talk and we're fine. When pugging, I don't need voice comm. If you think I do, I'll go find a group of less deluded individuals. One thing I don't need is a stranger's lo-fi voice rasping out of my speakers, let alone several. |
Gli
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Originally Posted by Trevor Reznik
Why do you play an online game? Baldur's Gate and such sound a much better fit for you.
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lord_shar
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Originally Posted by Micromaster
Don't worry, vent/ts won't bite you.
 I wouldn't want you on vent either - if you have one of those squeaky voices. (Age 10 type)  |
quickmonty
Intrusion? I see it as a tool, which is very helpful if used properly.
Kali Ma
I tried Vent for awhile, because a guild required it for PvP. Here's my experience...
1) Once they hear you're a woman, everyone hits on you.
2) Ah... the sound of wannabe bedroom generals barking orders to everyone.
3) Half the time the conversation has nothing to do with what's going on.
4) Listenting to arguments, ego trips and amateur therapy sessions isn't fun.
Voice chat can be cool when managed well, but in my experience the reality was that it was rarely more helpful than text chat, and often more distracting.
In PvE, I'm wanting immersion and a fun escapist experience. What I don't want is to have to listen to a drunken Joe Lowlife barking orders and scarfing cheetos while figuratively or literally stroking his manhood. Frankly, if you're sitting at a computer keyboard and are too lazy or illiterate to type effectively, then I'd rather not have your voice in my ear.
I completely agree with the OP. Vent/TS FTL.
1) Once they hear you're a woman, everyone hits on you.
2) Ah... the sound of wannabe bedroom generals barking orders to everyone.
3) Half the time the conversation has nothing to do with what's going on.
4) Listenting to arguments, ego trips and amateur therapy sessions isn't fun.
Voice chat can be cool when managed well, but in my experience the reality was that it was rarely more helpful than text chat, and often more distracting.
In PvE, I'm wanting immersion and a fun escapist experience. What I don't want is to have to listen to a drunken Joe Lowlife barking orders and scarfing cheetos while figuratively or literally stroking his manhood. Frankly, if you're sitting at a computer keyboard and are too lazy or illiterate to type effectively, then I'd rather not have your voice in my ear.
I completely agree with the OP. Vent/TS FTL.
Grais
God some people are really asses on this forum no doubt about it.Its true what they say the community at GWG is ruthless and brainless, some of the comments you people have made belong in the trash,it really shows of your intelligence, actually the extreme lack theroff.
Heres the solution, all you voice com lovers(who feel the need to be a degenearate that is) grab your mics and go grab a copy of DNDOL Stormreach, they are waiting with baited breath for you........
Heres the solution, all you voice com lovers(who feel the need to be a degenearate that is) grab your mics and go grab a copy of DNDOL Stormreach, they are waiting with baited breath for you........
Sujoy
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Originally Posted by Anarkii
But my guild in WoW has been successful in completing all of the 40man raids that game has to offer(which less than 0.1% of the game population have) without bothering with Voice Coms.
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and u expect me to believe that.
fenix
You cannot seriously expect to do well in DOA by typing every strategy. Vent (not TS, it's lame :P) is almost required unless you want to either take AGES, or fail. You can't just type stuff to do, and unless the WHOLE TEAM has finished the part of DOA you are doing, you'll need to explain what to do, or certain strategies, and typing is much too slow.
Samuel Anders
The thing I hate most about voice communication is that groups that require it completely alienate those who cannot use it due to physical limitations. I'm severely hearing impaired to the point where I rely on lip reading as well as spoken language to understand people, so voice communication is completely useless to me.
I don't mind if people in a group are going to use it to communicate, but when I get kicked out of groups because a hearing impairment prevents me from using a crutch, I get really pissed off. I'm highly alert visually, so I can figure out what a team wants to do, even if it isn't communicated to me, and the mini-map features provide enough of a benefit as is. (I make it very clear to groups I join that if people are going to use the mini-map as their personal Etch-A-Sketch, I'm going to map and look for another group.)
I don't mind if people in a group are going to use it to communicate, but when I get kicked out of groups because a hearing impairment prevents me from using a crutch, I get really pissed off. I'm highly alert visually, so I can figure out what a team wants to do, even if it isn't communicated to me, and the mini-map features provide enough of a benefit as is. (I make it very clear to groups I join that if people are going to use the mini-map as their personal Etch-A-Sketch, I'm going to map and look for another group.)
Antheus
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Originally Posted by lord_shar
Depends on the TS/Vent server you connect to -- hacked servers or shady server admins can upload custom trojans/keyloggers that standard anti-viral or spyware apps won't necessarily detect. Either way, I can't say I trust them unless I know the server admin IRL.
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After trying to verify any known 3rd party infection through Vent or TS. The only case of spreading a trojan was through a hacked client distribution of TeamSpeak, if it was obtained from some 3rd party unofficial site. Since both applications are freely downloadable from official sites, there's no real reason to download it from anywhere else.
The general statement of spreading malware through Ventrilo or TeamSpeak is simply FUD, up until someone provides clear evidence that either of the protocols are indeed exploitable.
Sujoy
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Originally Posted by Samuel Anders
The thing I hate most about voice communication is that groups that require it completely alienate those who cannot use it due to physical limitations. I'm severely hearing impaired to the point where I rely on lip reading as well as spoken language to understand people, so voice communication is completely useless to me.
I don't mind if people in a group are going to use it to communicate, but when I get kicked out of groups because a hearing impairment prevents me from using a crutch, I get really pissed off. I'm highly alert visually, so I can figure out what a team wants to do, even if it isn't communicated to me, and the mini-map features provide enough of a benefit as is. (I make it very clear to groups I join that if people are going to use the mini-map as their personal Etch-A-Sketch, I'm going to map and look for another group.) |
scrinner
Its all right with me as typing especially when a tank can be hard. However i usually only ask for the other people to listen if they dont have a mic. Easier to lead and they know what to do.
Alleji
Vent lets you do a lot of things that you'd be unable to do with text chat.
If you think PvE requires a level of cooperation that only voice com can provide, then it's only logical to use it. I certainly think DoA does. If you think you can do it without vent, more power to you. Just find enough people that have perfect understanding of what you're doing without voice com.
If you think PvE requires a level of cooperation that only voice com can provide, then it's only logical to use it. I certainly think DoA does. If you think you can do it without vent, more power to you. Just find enough people that have perfect understanding of what you're doing without voice com.
Redfeather1975
Oh yes, TS/Vent can be fun too. If you are with the right people.
I was in a guild that used it and everyone was nice and liked to joke around some. It was a cool experience. But that was in Everquest 2 and....I know not everyone in Guild Wars is bad, but there are way more asshats in games like Guild Wars and WOW than there ever was in EQ2 and Imma very scared to use TS/Vent in these games.
Maybe I can find a nice, friendly guild that uses TS to play with and it will change my mind. No offense to all the nice peeps who play Guild Wars.
I was in a guild that used it and everyone was nice and liked to joke around some. It was a cool experience. But that was in Everquest 2 and....I know not everyone in Guild Wars is bad, but there are way more asshats in games like Guild Wars and WOW than there ever was in EQ2 and Imma very scared to use TS/Vent in these games.
Maybe I can find a nice, friendly guild that uses TS to play with and it will change my mind. No offense to all the nice peeps who play Guild Wars.
Sli Ander
The one thing I want to say about voice communication is that its faster than typing when I'm trying to watch for spikes to heal, etc. But a good team(and I've seen some awesome pugs) will do well whether or not they have ts/etc, and a bad team will still do badly.
My original guild got together when we tried to fight our way through droks. We tried and tried and eventually became a guild. We could have used voice coms to make things quicker, but guess what? I don't speak spanish. Because I could look for words similar to English ones, watch the map signals and basically was smart enough to tell what people were doing from where they were walking, we managed to get about halfway through.
TS and Vent are crutches in pve(mainly if you get in over your head, you can instantly call retreat, etc.). If I'd known more about them when I started this game, I might have gotten the stuff for it. But I'm a casual gamer and can't be bothered with something that is no more than a novelty(for having discussions when doing tombs, etc.) and has no great impact on play during pve.
For Pugs in DOA, it will certainly make things easier since its a new area,but it is by no means necessary if you are even a half decent player. Go with a simple plan, stick to the plan until it gets screwed up, and go with the flow.
But that's just my two cents
My original guild got together when we tried to fight our way through droks. We tried and tried and eventually became a guild. We could have used voice coms to make things quicker, but guess what? I don't speak spanish. Because I could look for words similar to English ones, watch the map signals and basically was smart enough to tell what people were doing from where they were walking, we managed to get about halfway through.
TS and Vent are crutches in pve(mainly if you get in over your head, you can instantly call retreat, etc.). If I'd known more about them when I started this game, I might have gotten the stuff for it. But I'm a casual gamer and can't be bothered with something that is no more than a novelty(for having discussions when doing tombs, etc.) and has no great impact on play during pve.
For Pugs in DOA, it will certainly make things easier since its a new area,but it is by no means necessary if you are even a half decent player. Go with a simple plan, stick to the plan until it gets screwed up, and go with the flow.
But that's just my two cents
LicensedLuny
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Remember, DoA is only a couple weeks old. We're not quite all pros there yet. If you have to venture out there the first few times with a PuG, it sounds like you'll need all the advice you can get. (I haven't been yet, but remember my guildies raging about out for 2 days on the Vent server we leave running just for general BS even when not playing.)
Sure, you may be pretty good at PvE, but there's a learning curve for everyone. Some of us are ever-newbs, and we like a little more guidance than is usually feasible for the leader to type. "Watch out for <name of mob> and <name of mob skill> is your first interrupt priority." ... "Wait and take this quest later." ... "We're doing this in order to more easily get over there." ... "Stop trying to shoot arrows at things behind walls" (
couldn't resist that last one.)
I'll agree that some people's assumption that speaking "I need energy" rather than cntl click their bars is a big downside to voice chat in pugs. It's even a problem in guild/alliance/buddy groups, as you can't always tell everyone's voice apart in the heat of battle. But that can usually be worked out easily enough ... let them die or run out of energy ... right before they do, utter "sorry ... i was trying to figure out which 'me' that was on my screen." They get the message in a hurry.
And yeah, if you have to say "heal me" the problem is something other than voice chat.
To the OP, if you really can't stand using voice chat, then maybe you should wait awhile. I'm sure that DoA will become as routine to all the great PvEers as UW and FoW are now, and there'll be plenty of groups that can just move through without even calling targets.
Amen! And I love it when that happens!
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LOL! Yeah! That one, and also, what if the player is actually female and therefore knows better than to let random GW players find out? (Kali Ma knows what I'm talking about!) What if she's female ... and a grown-up?? 
I mean, a voice similar to Mom on vent would probably throw your average pug group way off at critical times.
Cheers,
Luny
Remember, DoA is only a couple weeks old. We're not quite all pros there yet. If you have to venture out there the first few times with a PuG, it sounds like you'll need all the advice you can get. (I haven't been yet, but remember my guildies raging about out for 2 days on the Vent server we leave running just for general BS even when not playing.)
Sure, you may be pretty good at PvE, but there's a learning curve for everyone. Some of us are ever-newbs, and we like a little more guidance than is usually feasible for the leader to type. "Watch out for <name of mob> and <name of mob skill> is your first interrupt priority." ... "Wait and take this quest later." ... "We're doing this in order to more easily get over there." ... "Stop trying to shoot arrows at things behind walls" (
I'll agree that some people's assumption that speaking "I need energy" rather than cntl click their bars is a big downside to voice chat in pugs. It's even a problem in guild/alliance/buddy groups, as you can't always tell everyone's voice apart in the heat of battle. But that can usually be worked out easily enough ... let them die or run out of energy ... right before they do, utter "sorry ... i was trying to figure out which 'me' that was on my screen." They get the message in a hurry.
And yeah, if you have to say "heal me" the problem is something other than voice chat.
To the OP, if you really can't stand using voice chat, then maybe you should wait awhile. I'm sure that DoA will become as routine to all the great PvEers as UW and FoW are now
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Originally Posted by Rera
To be frank, voicecom benefits less-experienced players the most. Without voicecom, a bad player who doesn't know what they are doing will simply be kicked from the party. With vent, you have people giving directions and calling tactics, so as long as you're willing to listen, the experienced players are more likely to put up with you. The end result is that you finish the mission/quest and probably learn a great deal also.
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HOW ARE ALL THE DUDES PRETENDING TO BE CHICKS SUPPSOED TO PLAY IF THEY USE VOICE CHAT? that would totaly show them for the cross dressing transexuals that we all know they are
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I mean, a voice similar to Mom on vent would probably throw your average pug group way off at critical times.Cheers,
Luny
dpcash
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Originally Posted by Kali Ma
I tried Vent for awhile, because a guild required it for PvP. Here's my experience...
1) Once they hear you're a woman, everyone hits on you. 2) Ah... the sound of wannabe bedroom generals barking orders to everyone. 3) Half the time the conversation has nothing to do with what's going on. 4) Listenting to arguments, ego trips and amateur therapy sessions isn't fun. Voice chat can be cool when managed well, but in my experience the reality was that it was rarely more helpful than text chat, and often more distracting. In PvE, I'm wanting immersion and a fun escapist experience. What I don't want is to have to listen to a drunken Joe Lowlife barking orders and scarfing cheetos while figuratively or literally stroking his manhood. Frankly, if you're sitting at a computer keyboard and aretoo lazy or illiterate to type effectively, then I'd rather not have your voice in my ear. I completely agree with the OP. Vent/TS FTL. |
Our guild always used vent when doing Fow and UW. Vent enabled us to turn a complete Fow clearance (yes all 11 quests) into a 3.5 hour run. We did have talkers at times, but our guild leader usually did most of the talking, and only when necessary. We often did a full run and everyone ended with 2% morale boost.
A lot depends on the maturity of your guild/group. For us vent adds to our gaming experience rather than take away from it.
Besides, all that typing is so damn slow!
Voive comms may not be necessary, if everyone knows what to do. However, when have you joined a pug where everyone really knew what to do.
Even so-called "experienced" players are experienced in "their way" of doing things. This makes things go even slower.
In a pug, often everyone "knows" what to do, and IMO that is 99% of the problem.
kilkelo
Yeah, it's faster.
I'm not into RPing, and when I'm playing my sexy reheaded female mesmer... I don't "become" her, I just control her and kill stuff with her.
In a fight, sometimes I talk out loud and go "please kill that mes, please kill that mes" and wish I had TS on. Instead, I have to stop fighting for a minute and type out the message.
I'm not into RPing, and when I'm playing my sexy reheaded female mesmer... I don't "become" her, I just control her and kill stuff with her.
In a fight, sometimes I talk out loud and go "please kill that mes, please kill that mes" and wish I had TS on. Instead, I have to stop fighting for a minute and type out the message.
tweedledumb
No vent. Ever.
After listening to idiots on the phone at work all day I'm not about to listen to them at home.
That being said...
There's nothing wrong with people insisting on vent for their groups if they want it that badly. People should play the their game the way they want to.
After listening to idiots on the phone at work all day I'm not about to listen to them at home.
That being said...
There's nothing wrong with people insisting on vent for their groups if they want it that badly. People should play the their game the way they want to.
Calen The Civl
I don't care for vent or ts myself. I read in some security article someplace (dont remember the article) that such programs can pose security risks because of open ports. But then any program that uses any type of port is a security risk.
Anyway, I had always felt it was a mark of a good player not to use it. Afterall, it is much more challenging to toggle from play control to chat in order yell at your team for not cooperating
Anyway, I had always felt it was a mark of a good player not to use it. Afterall, it is much more challenging to toggle from play control to chat in order yell at your team for not cooperating
Eclair
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I tried Vent for awhile, because a guild required it for PvP. Here's my experience...
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Pretty amusing though, I think nobody expected there to be a female playing, and had no idea what to do.
tweedledumb
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HOW ARE ALL THE DUDES PRETENDING TO BE CHICKS SUPPSOED TO PLAY IF THEY USE VOICE CHAT? that would totaly show them for the cross dressing transexuals that we all know they are
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Why do people worry about this so damned much? I don't care what people are and never ask. Why? Because I'm going to be interacting with them for at most 1.5 hours and as long as they don't go all Leeroy on me I'm happy.
Aerian_Skybane
Other than the fact that I understand where your coming from, I have been begging (like a lot of other people) for an integrated voice chat program. Can be turned on/off at the user's discretion. Would make things a lot easier who want to use it. Makes PUGs easier as well.
Mr_T_bot
Voice chat requirement is another stupid limitation to the game where people already discriminate on pointless, arbitrary ranks. Not to mention, 95% of the time the talk is gibberish conversation.
ChaoticCoyote
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HOW ARE ALL THE DUDES PRETENDING TO BE CHICKS SUPPSOED TO PLAY IF THEY USE VOICE CHAT? that would totaly show them for the cross dressing transexuals that we all know they are
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As for TS/Vent: I have them, I've used them, and I've seen no evidence that people play any better with and without voice chat. The quality of conversation is about the same as in text chat... and frankly, in a household of players, it could getdownright cacophonous if we were all bellowing in Chat.
"Go left! Left! No, your other left!"
Shadowspawn X
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Is it just me being uncomfortable with it, or are there others that are having their level of immersion, and thus the enjoyment from the game being dimmed by the use of TS/Vent?
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Sli Ander
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My guild is on vent 24 hours a day, I haven't not been on vent in 14 months, thats why pve pugs have a horrible reputation, because they don't communicate well. If it wasn't for voice comms this game would be in the garbage. I advise you to Get a mic and open your mouth, you're not helping your team by sitting on vent like a deaf/mute.
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Communication is the problem, but its more the side of "I'm leet and won't listen to the rest of the team" or " This team is leet and we'll simply Leroy and let the monk try and keep up" than it is the side of "We couldn't type quick enough, we need voice". Voice coms are great for runs where nobody knows what to do(for quicker tactics checks) and for when you just want to chat with your buddies. I have very rarely run into a group where I want to do either. DoA is apparently an example of the first, and while I would occasionally like to do the second with a couple of people I know, I can't be bothered for something I would rarely use.
But that's just my two cents
Lordhelmos
I dont like vent or TS in random pugs. I find it uncomfortable and people are usually pretty vulgar on vent or TS, especially those new to the program. There are also hardware issues involved with vent and TS. Because of the lack of respect in the TS/Vent community I uninstalled both from my computer and trashed them. If I were to TS or Vent, I would only do it with people in RL. People that want to play this game for enjoyment shouldn't have to put up with whiny brats, disrespectful teens, or other such garbage floating around in the TA/Vent mainstream. Just look at the conversations going on in GoTB and RA? I mean come on, do you really want to be communicating with those kinds of people in live chat?
I personally am not a big fan of TS/vent. I refuse to use it and only recommend it to those people in tightly knit guilds that either play professionally in the GWWC or are rl friends. I would not recommend TS or Vent to any random group, you are just asking to get disappointed.
As for me, I make it just fine in PvE without TS or Vent and I will never use it for the above reasons. As for DoA there are pug groups, and guilds not using TS that are doing just fine. I dont think it is a necessity for DoA, sure it might help a ton but you CAN finish DoA without TS/vent.
Those groups spamming for TS/vent requirements are not the kinds of groups you want to random PuG with either. You will spend half the time listening to someone get chewed out for not knowing how to turn off the voice activation or someone with an echo.
TS/Vent Random PuG is ftl. I dont think anyone should view voicechat as a NEEDED component to fully enjoy the game. Unless you know who you are talking to, just can TS or Vent and save yourself the trouble of dealing with a ton of assholes.
I personally am not a big fan of TS/vent. I refuse to use it and only recommend it to those people in tightly knit guilds that either play professionally in the GWWC or are rl friends. I would not recommend TS or Vent to any random group, you are just asking to get disappointed.
As for me, I make it just fine in PvE without TS or Vent and I will never use it for the above reasons. As for DoA there are pug groups, and guilds not using TS that are doing just fine. I dont think it is a necessity for DoA, sure it might help a ton but you CAN finish DoA without TS/vent.
Those groups spamming for TS/vent requirements are not the kinds of groups you want to random PuG with either. You will spend half the time listening to someone get chewed out for not knowing how to turn off the voice activation or someone with an echo.
TS/Vent Random PuG is ftl. I dont think anyone should view voicechat as a NEEDED component to fully enjoy the game. Unless you know who you are talking to, just can TS or Vent and save yourself the trouble of dealing with a ton of assholes.
Sab
Perhaps people here have different standards, but I find that the number of nice people greatly outnumber the number of rude people on Vent. By that I mean I can count the number of truly annoying individuals on one hand, and I PUG almost daily with strangers. And that includes when there's a female with a mic.
I guess it has something to do with voice comms in general - people feel less "anonymous", and that, chances are, people with mics tend to be more mature and serious about the game. In any case, I can't relate to those who are saying that Vent is filled with whiny, disrespectful 12-year-olds. They're not as widespread as you may think.
I guess it has something to do with voice comms in general - people feel less "anonymous", and that, chances are, people with mics tend to be more mature and serious about the game. In any case, I can't relate to those who are saying that Vent is filled with whiny, disrespectful 12-year-olds. They're not as widespread as you may think.
felinette
I don't use voice comm for a number of reasons:
1. Most PvE in GW is easy enough that you don't need that level of communication.
2. I prefer listening to music when I play GW
3. I swear when I play games. A lot. I wouldn't enjoy having to censor myself.
4. On the rare occasion that I PUG, I spend a lot of time laughing at the group's antics and saying things like, "OMG, this group sucks!" or "Christ, not another tanking ele," or, "Hello, Mr. Monk, those buttons along your skillbar, the ones with the pretty pictures? They actually do something if you press them." I doubt that would be appreciated.
5. If I have a cat on my lap, I usually talk to her when I play (things like, "OMG, this group sucks!" or, "Oh dear, party wipe within a minute, guaranteed.").
6. I have no desire to find out that the sexy female mesmer has a deeper voice than my father.
Just a few reasons off the top of my head.
1. Most PvE in GW is easy enough that you don't need that level of communication.
2. I prefer listening to music when I play GW
3. I swear when I play games. A lot. I wouldn't enjoy having to censor myself.
4. On the rare occasion that I PUG, I spend a lot of time laughing at the group's antics and saying things like, "OMG, this group sucks!" or "Christ, not another tanking ele," or, "Hello, Mr. Monk, those buttons along your skillbar, the ones with the pretty pictures? They actually do something if you press them." I doubt that would be appreciated.
5. If I have a cat on my lap, I usually talk to her when I play (things like, "OMG, this group sucks!" or, "Oh dear, party wipe within a minute, guaranteed.").
6. I have no desire to find out that the sexy female mesmer has a deeper voice than my father.
Just a few reasons off the top of my head.
Ailyrr Merlena
Funny, I remember getting into some groups way back in the beginning that required TS/Vent for UW/FoW. This was back just after I ascended Ailyrr.
I've found it much easier to discuss strategy, planning etc in a voice comm, than trying to type while fighting, not to mention, someone invariably has their team chat turned off.
It certainly helped prevent the quests from being taken in UW (not that anyone quests UW anymore).
As for being female in vent, I've never really had a problem with being hit on. I usually get, "Oh wow, a real female" and that's it. The very few times (maybe one or two) that I've had someone try to "hit" on me, I've made it clear I'm there to play the game, and if I wanted that kind of interaction, I'd go back to Chat Room Hosting.
I've found it much easier to discuss strategy, planning etc in a voice comm, than trying to type while fighting, not to mention, someone invariably has their team chat turned off.
It certainly helped prevent the quests from being taken in UW (not that anyone quests UW anymore).
As for being female in vent, I've never really had a problem with being hit on. I usually get, "Oh wow, a real female" and that's it. The very few times (maybe one or two) that I've had someone try to "hit" on me, I've made it clear I'm there to play the game, and if I wanted that kind of interaction, I'd go back to Chat Room Hosting.
Pandora's box
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Originally Posted by talon
You cannot seriously expect to do well in DOA by typing every strategy. Vent (not TS, it's lame :P) is almost required unless you want to either take AGES, or fail. You can't just type stuff to do, and unless the WHOLE TEAM has finished the part of DOA you are doing, you'll need to explain what to do, or certain strategies, and typing is much too slow.
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crimsonfilms
I love it when people label anything/everything as 'DISCRIMINATION' for any sort of criteria people want to use.
OMFG he is discriminating against me because I am aMesmer/have a cat/level 12/don't use vent/no deer/etc.
It is not discrimination. Stop using that word in the wrong context.
REPEAT - stop using the word 'discrimination.'
And obviously people who rarely use voice com makes the worse generalizations.
1. Leader who bark are rare in the game - in fact it is rare in real life. Most people are actually introverts. The exact opposite. This is the biggest problem for most vent users. They don't use their mics.
2. Chicks are rarely hit on the game. Why? Because the same testosterone fuel that makes men horny is the same hormone that prevents their ego from being damaged by looking foolish by making comments to female players as if you never seen a chick before. It is like in real life - what percentage of men do you know make a vulgar statement to ever passing female? Much lower that don't.
3. Yes half the time it can be very quiet - just like if you are not in vent. But the other time it is usually like 'Don't remove that condition on me its just weakness.'
or 'I have Empathy on my covered by 3 hexes - dont do anything yet until the other expires. I will tell you when'
or 'Watch me using Heal Signet'
Look at those informative stuff that can you help your team and is more efficient than typing.
Not only that, you can also confirm people heard what you said. How do you confirm if people read your comment in Team Chat? When they are dead?
And yes, half the time it can be idle chat - people getting friendly talking about movies, games and music they like. Hell they even share links to YouTube, builds and forums.
Wow. Social contact.
4. Ego trips and such are no exception to voice com. There is much 'I am wielding a Fellblade of Fortitude and Aegis Shield' or 'damm noob you suck at this' in Team Chat as in voice com. So THIS ARGUMENT IS MOOT.
OMFG he is discriminating against me because I am aMesmer/have a cat/level 12/don't use vent/no deer/etc.
It is not discrimination. Stop using that word in the wrong context.
REPEAT - stop using the word 'discrimination.'
And obviously people who rarely use voice com makes the worse generalizations.
1. Leader who bark are rare in the game - in fact it is rare in real life. Most people are actually introverts. The exact opposite. This is the biggest problem for most vent users. They don't use their mics.
2. Chicks are rarely hit on the game. Why? Because the same testosterone fuel that makes men horny is the same hormone that prevents their ego from being damaged by looking foolish by making comments to female players as if you never seen a chick before. It is like in real life - what percentage of men do you know make a vulgar statement to ever passing female? Much lower that don't.
3. Yes half the time it can be very quiet - just like if you are not in vent. But the other time it is usually like 'Don't remove that condition on me its just weakness.'
or 'I have Empathy on my covered by 3 hexes - dont do anything yet until the other expires. I will tell you when'
or 'Watch me using Heal Signet'
Look at those informative stuff that can you help your team and is more efficient than typing.
Not only that, you can also confirm people heard what you said. How do you confirm if people read your comment in Team Chat? When they are dead?
And yes, half the time it can be idle chat - people getting friendly talking about movies, games and music they like. Hell they even share links to YouTube, builds and forums.
Wow. Social contact.
4. Ego trips and such are no exception to voice com. There is much 'I am wielding a Fellblade of Fortitude and Aegis Shield' or 'damm noob you suck at this' in Team Chat as in voice com. So THIS ARGUMENT IS MOOT.
Eclair
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Originally Posted by Pandora's box
If it's only possible to complete DOA with a 3th party program (and any teamspeak program from outside the game IS such a program), than something is VERY wrong with DOA... Unless it's just not designed to be completed.
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Gli
Well, but since it wasn't, Pandora's Box's point stands.
It's ridiculous to NEED a third party program to finish parts of the game.
It's ridiculous to NEED a third party program to finish parts of the game.
Burst Cancel
Pandora's argument is incorrect. Almost all serious GvG guilds use voicecom, but not one of them would claim that there is something wrong with GvG as a result. There is no relevant difference between PvP and PvE that would make voicecom an acceptable tool in one arena but not the other. As several people have pointed out, voicecom is not strictly necessary to complete DoA. Just as in PvP, voicecom simply provides you with an advantage, and most teams would like to have that advantage.