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Tagon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

C O T P

R/Mo

12 Dec 2006 at 22:03 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

you guys are just shy basement dweller gamers arent you?

Yes well I am.

As to the OP I am not a big fan of VOIP software but when I do join most groups don't care if you just listen in that is what I always do.

Red-Tide

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Edmonton, Canada

[Liar]

Mo/

12 Dec 2006 at 22:40 - 122

I personally cant stand voiceCom's. I have been using them for years in different games (CS, COD, MoH, UT, GW etc...) but I find they drive me nuts. Maybe I have a low tolerance for immature behaviour, but I always seem to get off a TS session feeling like I want to kill some one. Usually, in say a 8 man ToPK group I would have 6 other players who were great but there was always that 1 that 15 minutes in, your wishing you could boot him but don't want the hassle of finding yet another player.

I try to restrict TS/Vent to people I know now as I find getting on with strangers to be annoying at best. I even had one guy give me a religious sermon for my use of the word "god" after we got owned!!!!! Its crap like that that makes TS/Vent a serious annoyance.

All that said, it can be very useful provided you get a decent mature group.

/end rant

Vandal2k6

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Manchester, UK

The Manchester Marauders

W/Rt

12 Dec 2006 at 23:01 - 123

If we didn't have voice comms, how could I fart down the mic and make all my friends laugh so heartily, therefore putting them in a good mood, which turns on their ladies, which in turn leads to you-know-what, which in turn leads to more babies.

So, voice comms is keeping the population of this planet on a steady keel.

LONG LIVE JEBUS ... I mean VOICE COMMS!

Now, where'd I put my cigs?

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

13 Dec 2006 at 00:02 - 124

Don't get me wrong: teamspeak programs are common use these days. Even in small 2 player teams. Yet I think it would be wrong IF a game (including bonus levels) could only be completed by using it. And that's open to debate.

Grais

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Tools

13 Dec 2006 at 00:33 - 125

Quote:

Vent lets you do a lot of things that you'd be unable to do with text chat.

This is a statement I hear all the time in regards to voice comms, what exactly can Vent or TS help you accomplish.
Ive used it many times in fact, not much in GW's, the only thing I ever found VC's to do for sure was give some jack ass, armchair general a forum to spout his views and seldom, never actually that I recall, has it ever enhanced the gaming experience.
If the actual experience of using them was better I might feel different, but the reproduction of the voices is so piss poor, I dont want to hear that crap, crackling mics, pops, pings, squeels of mic feedback, sorry no thanks. Add on top of that all the people who I do not want to converse with for whatever multitude of reasons.
Now I'm sure a lot of you feel different, but basically if the group feels the need for VC's(in a PVE setting mind you, I dont do a lot of PVP, I'm talking PVE here),that is a clear sign that there are problems brewing, if the players are not confident in their ability to accomplish said task without the aid of some third rate voice com, right there is a clear sign to me to look elsewhere.
But still there are going to people who want to use it, and those who dont, hopefully theres enough of both camp too make everyone happy.

death fuzzy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Nefarius Union

13 Dec 2006 at 01:43 - 126

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micromaster

Don't worry, vent/ts won't bite you.

I wouldn't want you on vent either - if you have one of those squeaky voices. (Age 10 type)

Oh god. I quit my old guild after I found out that a majority of them were all 10-12 years old.

That and they were extremely immature.

Ever heard a squeeker get pissed off?

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

13 Dec 2006 at 04:02 - 127

I find DoA groups using voice comm to be much more successfull than those not using it. And if i can choose i always join those that use it, no reason not to. Just like in PvP this gives major advantages, much easier to lead a group, to explain the plan, to tell quick about important things... Even if only the group leader speaks and the rest listens it works very fine.

Vandal2k6

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Manchester, UK

The Manchester Marauders

W/Rt

13 Dec 2006 at 14:53 - 128

A guildy of mine can't type for toffee. So VCs are a God send on this occasion. Each to their own I say. Group hug?

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

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15 Dec 2006 at 23:18 - 129

actually, to the people who use voice comms because they suck at typing: i'm sorry, but learn to freakin' type. learn to type as if your life depended on it, because in this game, IT DOES.

yes, voice commo's are convenient. yes, they let you communicate faster. NO, DON'T TURN ON VOICE COMMO AND PROCEED TO IGNORE THE SHIT OUT OF THE CHAT BOX. lots of important info pops up there. READ IT.

the above is what people mean when they call voice commo's a crutch, btw.

eudas

fatmouse

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

16 Dec 2006 at 00:12 - 130

Quote:

Originally Posted by eudas

actually, to the people who use voice comms because they suck at typing: i'm sorry, but learn to freakin' type. learn to type as if your life depended on it, because in this game, IT DOES.

yes, voice commo's are convenient. yes, they let you communicate faster. NO, DON'T TURN ON VOICE COMMO AND PROCEED TO IGNORE THE SHIT OUT OF THE CHAT BOX. lots of important info pops up there. READ IT.

the above is what people mean when they call voice commo's a crutch, btw.

eudas

People hear as you speak. What's the time between you starting to type and everybody reading what you wrote? I'll give you a clue: it's longer than voip.

Mister Overhill

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Tampa, Florida

Sticks and Stones

R/Rt

16 Dec 2006 at 01:03 - 131

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cow Tale

HOW ARE ALL THE DUDES PRETENDING TO BE CHICKS SUPPSOED TO PLAY IF THEY USE VOICE CHAT? that would totaly show them for the cross dressing transexuals that we all know they are

Hah!! Out of ten toons, I've got a couple of girls in there myself, including the new monk I just built for Nightfall. Yeah, me, the old married dude (37 years

) with all the kids and grandkids -- half of them in Guild Wars. If every "girl" in the game was REALLY a girl, she would be molested in town before she could take five steps, and the place would look like an army post.

Sir Vengence VI

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

South Africa

Resign or We [CrY]

Rt/

16 Dec 2006 at 04:56 - 132

TS/Vent FTW

foxworthy21

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

11 Mar 2007 at 06:07 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Overhill

Hah!! Out of ten toons, I've got a couple of girls in there myself, including the new monk I just built for Nightfall. Yeah, me, the old married dude (37 years

) with all the kids and grandkids -- half of them in Guild Wars. If every "girl" in the game was REALLY a girl, she would be molested in town before she could take five steps, and the place would look like an army post.

ROFL

funniest thing I read all day. I've known someone that pretended to be a girl on another MMO for 3 years+. He/She/It got itself a boyfriend that got it free gifts and gold. Pretty sad really. The dude finally caved in at the end after pressure from his clan from not using TS/Vent and maybe from his own guilt of "e-dating" that other guy and shit really hit the fan pronto. Long story short he at least gave back all his godly gear and gold to that guy before he quit the game.

CassiusDrehyg

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

LFGuild

P/W

11 Mar 2007 at 09:44 - 134

I wouldn't ever PvE, even in simplistic missions with a team that doesn't plan on using Ventrilo. It's far easier to speak to someone than to type text. If you plan on playing without the intrusion of morons, use a private channel, even though I have the advantage of owning a Ventrilo server, thus giving me the ability to boot morons out at will. Typing text just delays you. A monster won't say sorry for killing you while you type text.

I hate PvE.

Cymmina

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Me/N

11 Mar 2007 at 16:30 - 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

2. Chicks are rarely hit on the game. Why? Because the same testosterone fuel that makes men horny is the same hormone that prevents their ego from being damaged by looking foolish by making comments to female players as if you never seen a chick before. It is like in real life - what percentage of men do you know make a vulgar statement to ever passing female? Much lower that don't.

Are you a girl? Do you know girls who play? I can tell you plenty of horror stories (across almost 10 years of gaming) about people who have said things to either my female avatar without knowing my actual gender or by people who have in fact known my actual gender. From requests for blowjobs to people chasing me around and essentially performing virtual rape. Maybe it doesn't happen because Guild Wars is magical and everyone is mature enough not to do that kind of crap, but I would rather not risk receiving that kind of attention.

And yes, I've had catcalls and other vulgar comments directed my way in real life, too.

That said, with the release of Nightfall, I'm able to play with just my family sitting next to me and our 6 heroes. Do we talk often once we've entered missions? No. If we fail, we go back to town and discuss how we can do things differently. Then we try again, with little spoken conversation. Between us, we have several "Protector" titles for our characters.

Maybe "extreme" areas like DoA do require voice communication, but I can assure you, nowhere else in PvE does. In PvP? Yeah, it's the easiest way to coordinate in complex situations where you can't just learn the patrol patterns or know each and every skill used.

Like one of the previous posters, I have difficulty deciphering spoken words (even though my hearing is pretty good). Compound this with accents from around the world, the quiet/insecure speakers, people who talk through their nose and breathe into the mic while eating Cheetos, and the slurred speech of someone who is drunk... how is this making things easier for me? I'm better at reading than I am at listening.

floppinghog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

Squad Six Six Six [ssss]

A/Me

11 Mar 2007 at 20:22 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rera

Voicecom isn't necessary if you can guarantee that everyone you're playing with is intelligent and experienced. PvE voicecom in an all-friends/guild group is mostly for socializing. PvE voicecom in a PuG is mostly for keeping everyone in line and yelling at people when they screw up.

To be frank, voicecom benefits less-experienced players the most. Without voicecom, a bad player who doesn't know what they are doing will simply be kicked from the party. With vent, you have people giving directions and calling tactics, so as long as you're willing to listen, the experienced players are more likely to put up with you. The end result is that you finish the mission/quest and probably learn a great deal also.

Good post. This pretty much sums up the truth of voice chat in pve.

Kuldebar Valiturus

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

Garden City, Idaho

The Order of Relumination (TOoR)

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11 Mar 2007 at 21:18 - 137

To the OP:

Voice Communication in online games is going to happen. It's the future, the rational, understandable and much anticipated future.

You may as well complain that computers are 'increasingly' using graphical user interfaces instead of the command line.

Teamspeak, and to a slightly lesser extent, Ventrilo, are very easy to use, have exceptionally low bandwidth/computer requirements and these apps bring a whole new dimension to online gaming.

In Guild Wars, it is very awkward to communicate to team mates during a PvE battle. I, personally, find shift-clicking skill slots and targets to be very clunky and a big "spam noise" producer. Information gets lost in the chat box. And why would I want the chat box taking up screen real estate?

Additionally, voice comm. makes for better working guilds.

Edge Martinez

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

NC

DKL

11 Mar 2007 at 22:01 - 138

To the OP, I only get on comms with my guildies, so basically just do what makes you comfortable and enjoy the game.

Personette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

12 Mar 2007 at 04:20 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cymmina

Are you a girl? Do you know girls who play? I can tell you plenty of horror stories (across almost 10 years of gaming) about people who have said things to either my female avatar without knowing my actual gender or by people who have in fact known my actual gender. From requests for blowjobs to people chasing me around and essentially performing virtual rape. Maybe it doesn't happen because Guild Wars is magical and everyone is mature enough not to do that kind of crap, but I would rather not risk receiving that kind of attention.

And yes, I've had catcalls and other vulgar comments directed my way in real life, too.

This sort of thing is meant to frighten and intimidate - and it sounds like you make a good target because you have exactly the right reaction. This isn't a blame the victim thing; just that there is a solution, if you don't like being pestered learn how to throw up walls early or ignore it.

Most men like to hunt women. Most women like to be hunted. Stop the cycle before it starts if you're not interested.

Personally, I like the spying aspect. All my avatars are women, but all players are naturally assumed to be men, and I'm always interested in what men say when they don't think there are women listening.

On the other hand, I have no interest in hearing anyone's voice. The less you know about a random stranger the less there is to dislike, and IMHO that's the secret to happiness in a game like GW.

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

12 Mar 2007 at 04:40 - 140

Using Ventrilo/TS is only disadvantageous to a guy who is claiming to be a sexy hot chick and asking horny people for crystallines and ectos.

Voice communication helps a lot in avoiding errors that a team may commit and making sure that the goals of the teams are met, whether it's in PvP or PvE.

Cherno

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Stars of Destiny

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12 Mar 2007 at 04:52 - 141

Why do you think people ask/require voice comm in PVP? For the fun of it? No, they do it because coordination is far smoother with voice rather than typing. DoA is a high end area where you can barely guess the level of people's abilities in the area. Voicecomm helps to coordinate to make sure potential hours forming parties and progressing through aren't wasted because of something as silly as a misunderstood direction.

As others have said, if you don't want to use them, don't join those groups. If you can't find any, start your own.

??Evan??

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Tombs

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W/E

12 Mar 2007 at 04:53 - 142

Quote:

Originally Posted by JediKnight

top end players who don't have vent

Oxymoron?o.O

Kuldebar Valiturus

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

Garden City, Idaho

The Order of Relumination (TOoR)

R/

12 Mar 2007 at 06:36 - 143

Seriously, all the talk about "to be elite" in anything you need voice comm, is beside the point (though somewhat true)...

If you have the capability to do something that is inarguably more efficient then it's usually a good idea to use it. Whether it's PvP, PvE, trading or shooting the breeze, it's easier to do it by talking rather than typing.

I have never been a fast typer, my fingers and the keyboard are not very friendly with each other, I don't even use the keyboard to use skills, I click the buttons on the bars for that...so voice comm rocks. I used it in DAoC, in WoW and in Guild Wars.

And voice comm. is usually free unless you are paying for a host server.

Free is good.

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

12 Mar 2007 at 06:49 - 144

I think vent is good for PVE groups. Mainly cuz many PVE people get tired of PVE and want to try out PVP. So getting introduced to the vent world really helps them on the transition.

Also vent helps with communication, of course, especially when some1 on the team sucks at typing. Always a + to have vent on the side for a just in case.

ZenRgy

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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12 Mar 2007 at 07:11 - 145

Raging at your team is a lot more effective via voice than text.

Gore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

12 Mar 2007 at 08:06 - 146

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenRgy

Raging at your team is a lot more effective via voice than text.

especialy with a 35yold whiskey rough voice.

All back the off you are agroing em for nothing !
Do not hit the spirit or enemys you tard !
Casters back off the front yur no tanks !

try to make those trully understandble with pugs on text. The first kidd gona flame you to death, gona start asking questions and all.

My best experiences with pugs are with TS/Vent. And its specialy fun to make fun of those girly voice where all are wondering..is it a girl with nosy voice or a little 12yold kid that try to be tough if we only had text chat.

strangly...all those hard head start to be very gentle and tend to behave with voice chat rather then talk you out of your lead..again...no trouble there with Guild...only pugs.

Its why TS/Vent FTW Period.

Bottom of line

Domino

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Houston

A/Rt

12 Mar 2007 at 08:26 - 147

I've been a TS addict for what seems like years now.

If you play ANY game that involves coordination - you need TS.

At the very least it provides a more fluid method of communicating while you're playing. Parody cutscenes, ask questions, discuss builds.... as if you were right there with the people. Needless to say this tool is invaluable for guilds.

TS is not *required* per se for PvE though... it's just nice to have. If you want to do anything serious PvP-wise, however, TS is a must have.

However that's NOT to say that simply throwing 8 strangers together with TS will make them the ultimate party. TS favors tight-knit guild environments where everyone knows eachother.

Bottom line: Some of the most fun (and hilarious) GW experiences I've had while being on TS with guildies. TS is an invaluable tool.

Rhedd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

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12 Mar 2007 at 10:40 - 148

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domino

At the very least it provides a more fluid method of communicating while you're playing. Parody cutscenes, ask questions, discuss builds.... as if you were right there with the people. Needless to say this tool is invaluable for guilds.

Yep, see, that right there is exactly why a lot of people don't want TS.

Sure, sure, the story in GW doesn't tend to be Pulitzer prize-winning material, but if you're trying to "get into it" and immerse yourself in the game at all, the last thing you want is some numbnut mocking an emotional cutscene, or discussing the mathematics of his new build while you're trying to soak up the atmosphere of the Dark-and-Scary Forest(tm).

TS is good for PvP (necessary, even), but it can rob PvE of much of its appeal.

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

12 Mar 2007 at 13:18 - 149

my guild uses ts to goof around whilst playing, but i'd never get on ts to talk to random people for a pve mission

rista blodorn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Aura of Shadows

E/R

12 Mar 2007 at 14:28 - 150

I think a lot the posts are missing the overall point somewhat. The question isn't really are there good and bad points to using TS/Vent because that seems obvious. Of course there are.

The real question gets to the heart of some of the comments that run along the lines of "if someone doesn't use TS/Vent then they get kicked/excluded/must be a terrible player" etc. It's when TS/Vent usage becomes another way for people to act like elitist snobs is when it becomes a problem. Assuming that because someone doesn't have or doesn't want to use TS/Vent they must be not be a "good" player is silly. I'm not sure how you can generalize to assume that anyone who can visit a website, download a free application and purchase a $10 headset w/ a mic therefore must be a better then average player seems absurd. Probably 95%+ of the entire GW population fits this profile.

combatchuck

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

12 Mar 2007 at 14:45 - 151

My guild uses voice chat for a couple reasons. First, it makes organization faster and easier. Second, you get to know your guild-mates better. It's also useful for when you lose at PVP and need to yell. It's also nice that we require all members of our guild to be over 18, so there are no kids on.

Braggi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

12 Mar 2007 at 15:06 - 152

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhedd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Domino

At the very least it provides a more fluid method of communicating while you're playing. Parody cutscenes, ask questions, discuss builds.... as if you were right there with the people. Needless to say this tool is invaluable for guilds.

Yep, see, that right there is exactly why a lot of people don't want TS.

Exactly.
I feel with the OP, TS/vent can take away a lot of immersion in the game.
For PvE it is absolutely not needed, especially not for top players, because tasks are not complicated enough. You may explain things faster verbatim to a newbie, but if you know what to do, drawing on the map and ctrl-clicking on the interface communicates is by far faster. Calling targets or spells is all you need. Heck, I can even give you my whole skill bar now with a click - you can't talk that fast...

Voice communication tends to get OT fast, because most tasks don't really need it. So people get distracted, tell anectodes, don't concentrate on the ingame situation. Voice chat with small brain routine farming...
My experience is from WoW too - our big raid started with chat and music and performed terrible; in the end coordination needed quiet channels to transfer information, nothing that couldn't be transfered with calls too (like "my mana is..."). You don't plan there, adjust maybe. Planing is done before, post mortem afterwards.
Small groups of 5-10 could well do without or became chat lines again, people venting their boredom or frustration, getting OT. If you had 15, you better started with channel discipline again...

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

UK

Duality Of The Dragon

12 Mar 2007 at 17:26 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhedd

Yep, see, that right there is exactly why a lot of people don't want TS.

Sure, sure, the story in GW doesn't tend to be Pulitzer prize-winning material, but if you're trying to "get into it" and immerse yourself in the game at all, the last thing you want is some numbnut mocking an emotional cutscene, or discussing the mathematics of his new build while you're trying to soak up the atmosphere of the Dark-and-Scary Forest(tm).

TS is good for PvP (necessary, even), but it can rob PvE of much of its appeal.

I comes down to whether or not you use them with random groups. I use vent all the time during guild wars to talk with guildies.
Sharing a talk channel with random people for a mission it's hilarious to think about.

c_ras

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Eternal Deliverance

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12 Mar 2007 at 17:33 - 154

Ok, my take of this is that a group that uses vent/TS, more likely than not, is more organized than a team that isn't using vent. Vent/TS is pretty much used to simplify communications and organization. Because a lot of times you are constantly on the move..stopping every 2 minutes to type isn't productive and deters your mind away from what you should be doing. With a voice communication, you can easily go over strategies on the fly (even while in battle), change tactics quickly, and stress certain emotions that you can't get from some typed words.

Some people don't like to use Vent/TS because they are afraid of talking to strangers. Contrary to what many may think, a lot of people deal or interact with strangers on a daily basis and they may not even realize it..whether it be ordering something at a restaurant, helping a customer/client, or whatever the case may be. If someone doesn't want to talk, you can easily listen because listening is one of the most important parts to communication. And of course we all know....communication in Guild Wars = success. When you are in a high end area, like DoA, everyone including yourself expects success. When you are in a group full of PUGs or people you don't know, you can't expect to know what they are going to do next. Voice communication I think shrinks that barrier or window or misunderstanding.

People will always argue and question on whether or not people should have to use Vent/TS for PvE. The fact is...you don't have to and yes.....it isn't needed (especially to the level it is at PvP). It is your choice but when there is a tool out there that helps people (and doesn't break the User Agreement), I think most people are in favor of it whether it be for PvE or PvP.

A great deal of my guild mates as well as myself use Vent on a daily basis. This is due to not only the reasons above but because we also like to have a good time, have a laugh, and get to know each other. If I wanted to type things...I'd go to a chat room.

- Aldoros of Faydark

Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

12 Mar 2007 at 18:55 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braggi

For PvE it is absolutely not needed, especially not for top players, because tasks are not complicated enough.

Your absolutely correct, yet you do not understand. There are FoW groups to this day that fail in 30 seconds. Tasks are not complicated but people are stupid. TS/Vent is the only tool to save you from complete hassles, if they suck/ignorant/rude/biased/annoying/untrustworthy/ridiculous/not your best buddy.. you'll find out quickly.

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

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Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

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12 Mar 2007 at 20:39 - 156

I don't have a mic hooked to my pc, if *required* I would drop out / not be in the party.

I would only consider Voice chat as a reasonable requirement as part of DOA or elite Factions zones.

I would only willing voice chat with guildies I know or pvp where teams are formed in advanced.

Not everyone has high speed, or there running on a dial up or a "low" high speed where TS / Vent would cause lag. That and the hardware required to run all at the same time.

Shikaru

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

13 Mar 2007 at 00:05 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by rista blodorn

I think a lot the posts are missing the overall point somewhat. The question isn't really are there good and bad points to using TS/Vent because that seems obvious. Of course there are.

The real question gets to the heart of some of the comments that run along the lines of "if someone doesn't use TS/Vent then they get kicked/excluded/must be a terrible player" etc. It's when TS/Vent usage becomes another way for people to act like elitist snobs is when it becomes a problem. Assuming that because someone doesn't have or doesn't want to use TS/Vent they must be not be a "good" player is silly. I'm not sure how you can generalize to assume that anyone who can visit a website, download a free application and purchase a $10 headset w/ a mic therefore must be a better then average player seems absurd. Probably 95%+ of the entire GW population fits this profile.

While what you say is true, it is also true that having TS/Vent is a good first indication if that party member will be cooperative during the mission. Its like the rank issue in pvp. While it may be true that a rank 1 player can have superior skills to someone that is rank 9, the majority of the time this is not true. It is merely a generalization that works a majority of the time.

In Elite missions it is vital for group cooperation and voice com is the first step towards that goal. Even just listening in will help the group go smoother because you know what is happening.

So back to the point, being kicked because you don't have TS/Vent is perfectly logical. People don't want to take the chance of a non-cooperative member. It is much safer just to find another who is willing to work with the team on voice com.

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

13 Mar 2007 at 01:35 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shikaru

While it may be true that a rank 1 player can have superior skills to someone that is rank 9.

I am rank 10 and I consider myself as a bad player, a scrub who can only play overpowered builds. So your statement may be true.

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

13 Mar 2007 at 02:09 - 159

Our guild uses TS and is really happy with it. We talk to each other all the time while playing PvE, But we don't require it for our PUGs... Its just for us. Hell most of the time we are all in one channel taking about whatever while playing, more so then when we use it for PvP gameplay... This isn't Battlefield 2 after all, Its not that much strategy in PvE, Its just a matter of making things easier then having to type out everything...

And lets face it anymore with the chat channels overwhelmed with Spam WTB WTS crap its almost impossible to have a decent chat in there, so TS or VENT is the place to be now days...

Div

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Mo/R

13 Mar 2007 at 08:38 - 160

QQ more please. Though voice communication isn't a necessity, it certainly makes a hard area easier for regular pugs. Your example of how you can complete raids in WoW without using voice comm doesn't really apply either. For example, if a guild like iQ were to play without voice comm, they can still destroy a 5000 ranked guild with vent/ts. Just because you don't have voice comm doesn't mean it's not possible, it just means that your chances of success will be lower than with the communication.

If you don't like it, join another group, or join a group/guild that doesn't like to use vent/ts to complete areas like DoA.