E/Me Smite only run: Mass aggro and quick!
kumiel
hopefully this build wont be affected too much by the skill nerf... we can only hope. im running my ele through nf right now to get sandstorm
TeeJay
Heey awesome build, first I was a little sceptic about because everyone was saying they didn't get any ectos but now I tried it and it's really nice. Only problem I have is that sometimes, even when the smites don't run, they don't die with the full combo. Last run I only had one group that died by the book, the others I had to wand or aftershock. Any suggestions?
Greetz TeeJay
Greetz TeeJay
Koning
maybe you don't wait long enough to let av drain their energy, so they can cast a quick RoF and won't die.
TeeJay
That might be it, Thank you
pegasux
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Originally Posted by Koning
maybe you don't wait long enough to let av drain their energy, so they can cast a quick RoF and won't die.
I also find letting av/sv sit there for 7-8 sec for a small group of 3-5 ideal...for larger pulls i just sit there for 4 secs. sometimes you will get a bad spawn and most will run before your aftershock has a chance of catching some of them.
XvArchonvX
I have to admit, this is an excellent build. I ran the Rt/Me Vengeful build for a while, but I've found that this is a LOT more reliable. I'm also glad I can not only put my ele to good use, but also put Earth magic to good use.
Desree
is the 16 attribute points in Earth really necessary for this build? i ask this coz i was thinking of doing the same build but with an Me/E instead.
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i didn't even take into account the huge energy base of the ele, maybe that's the necessary part of this build.
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i didn't even take into account the huge energy base of the ele, maybe that's the necessary part of this build.
speedy21589
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Originally Posted by Desree
is the 16 attribute points in Earth really necessary for this build? i ask this coz i was thinking of doing the same build but with an Me/E instead.
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i didn't even take into account the huge energy base of the ele, maybe that's the necessary part of this build. I think 16 earth might be needed to get enough damage. Energy base of the ele is not the necessary part of the build; I run my build with only 1 or 2 in energy storage, as stone striker + MoE gives more energy than Balthazar's Spirit + Essence Bond (both give 2 energy on most damage but stone striker + MoE is 4 pips of regen while the other combo is 2 pips of regen).
You can always test it though, just to see what happens.
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i didn't even take into account the huge energy base of the ele, maybe that's the necessary part of this build. I think 16 earth might be needed to get enough damage. Energy base of the ele is not the necessary part of the build; I run my build with only 1 or 2 in energy storage, as stone striker + MoE gives more energy than Balthazar's Spirit + Essence Bond (both give 2 energy on most damage but stone striker + MoE is 4 pips of regen while the other combo is 2 pips of regen).
You can always test it though, just to see what happens.
tuna-fish_sushi
fast casting is bad for this build just a tip for the me/eles 16fire (head + sup)
I havent tested this build yet ( havent capped savannah) but if the damage is enough it would be more reliable
Approximately 305+119+127=551 damage in 5 seconds
probably not enough damage but mabye the smites are weak to fire ><
Savannah Heat
Meteor
Flame djinn's haste
Immolate (or any 1 hit nightmare skil)
SV
mantra of earth
stone strike
stoneflesh
16 Fire
9+2earth
7-8ilusion
and rest into energy storage
I havent tested this build yet ( havent capped savannah) but if the damage is enough it would be more reliable
Approximately 305+119+127=551 damage in 5 seconds
probably not enough damage but mabye the smites are weak to fire ><
Savannah Heat
Meteor
Flame djinn's haste
Immolate (or any 1 hit nightmare skil)
SV
mantra of earth
stone strike
stoneflesh
16 Fire
9+2earth
7-8ilusion
and rest into energy storage
Apple
16 earth magic is not required whatsoever. I did this on my mesmer rather than an ele and survived with no problems whatsoever. I can post pics on thursday if you need...
Apok Omen
I gotta admit, very nice build, Koning and fellow posters of their own version. I have recieved many Ectos, black/white dyes, keys, goldies, etc. with this build, and my Apok Alyptik has never been happier(name of my Ele). Just got 3 ectos in 2 runs, along with several keys.
I could finally afford my Male Ele's Vabbian armor (laugh all you want, I happen to like it) and will keep finding new tricks to beat everything faster. Once again, thank you for giving it away.
I could finally afford my Male Ele's Vabbian armor (laugh all you want, I happen to like it) and will keep finding new tricks to beat everything faster. Once again, thank you for giving it away.
Apple
I wouldnt laugh at your choice of armour, i'd laugh at the choice of a male ele :P
Apok Omen
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Originally Posted by [Apple]
I wouldnt laugh at your choice of armour, i'd laugh at the choice of a male ele :P
Touche, Apple, touche... By the way, can't wait to see your Me/E SS pics
Touche, Apple, touche... By the way, can't wait to see your Me/E SS pics
Curar Partida
I think your attributes are a little off or you havnt done your 15 attr. quests.
EinherjarMx
one little tip
if the coldfires patrol is stuck on an inconvenient spot, get close and press "c" to target the closer one, then use storm djinns haste and press the key you assigned to earthquake, when you hit them, press "x" (or turn around) and run like hell, in that way when the coldfires get up they will use first ward against harm and when they say "hey, i'm ready to pwn you" you will be far away and they will start to do their patrol route again
*happened to me twice last night =)
if the coldfires patrol is stuck on an inconvenient spot, get close and press "c" to target the closer one, then use storm djinns haste and press the key you assigned to earthquake, when you hit them, press "x" (or turn around) and run like hell, in that way when the coldfires get up they will use first ward against harm and when they say "hey, i'm ready to pwn you" you will be far away and they will start to do their patrol route again
*happened to me twice last night =)
underboss
MOI IS LOVING THIS BUILD!!!
FYI: MY last and most recent run - 2 ectos, 1 ruby and a superior vigor from gold armor from chest.
over $50K run in less then 15 mins. (I know i'm slow)
FYI: MY last and most recent run - 2 ectos, 1 ruby and a superior vigor from gold armor from chest.
over $50K run in less then 15 mins. (I know i'm slow)
Shadow II
VERY nice but i got my ele in Tyria and one skills Stone Striker is for end Nightfall (i dont have time for end nightfall camping..;/)
and one skills Stone Striker is for end Nightfall (i dont have time for end nightfall camping..;/)
Mairiiv
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Originally Posted by Shadow II
VERY nice but i got my ele in Tyria and one skills Stone Striker is for end Nightfall (i dont have time for end nightfall camping..;/)
Do what I did, PvP unlock it and you can buy it then in Kamadan
and one skills Stone Striker is for end Nightfall (i dont have time for end nightfall camping..;/)
Do what I did, PvP unlock it and you can buy it then in Kamadan
Oldish
I'm loving this build.2 weeks of farming and i got 90ecto++ from it and few 100k+ nice drops.As far my best run was 4e and 1 sapphire.Thanks for posting.
Senrath
I so wanna use this build in the UW, but I'm never on when America has favor DX. I like it in other areas, though.
Rohan
I'm having some trouble with the Graspings...they always seem to interupt me and they continue to do it. I've gotten through before to the smites but now I'm always getting interupted and now killed...Got any advice?
TeeJay
When you aggro them and you run back...when you stop, wait a few seconds because they use distracting blow! I've seen grasps wait 5 secs before they use it. After that you can start casting your 3 damage spells. Also remember, as soon as (most of the time) 2 of them flee, immediatly cast Stoneflesh aura.
TeeJay
Double post, my bad.
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Rohizzle
I'm having some trouble with the Graspings...they always seem to interupt me and they continue to do it. I've gotten through before to the smites but now I'm always getting interupted and now killed...Got any advice?
Cast all enchants in the following order:
1) Stone Striker
2) Stoneflesh
3) Storm Djinn's Haste
3) Sympathetic Visage
Then aggro and pull Graspings away from Aatxes
Wait a few seconds for SV to drain Graspings of energy
THEN
Use your attack spells.
Graspings almost always use Dist. blow as soon as they reach you, so wait for them to use it first. They also use skull crack, but shouldn't be able to pull it off if you have SV up. If you somehow get attacked with SV down, just remember that it takes some time to gain enough adrenaline to use it, so you have a little bit of time after dist blow and before skull crack to cast. After that, one skull crack and you're toast.
1) Stone Striker
2) Stoneflesh
3) Storm Djinn's Haste
3) Sympathetic Visage
Then aggro and pull Graspings away from Aatxes
Wait a few seconds for SV to drain Graspings of energy
THEN
Use your attack spells.
Graspings almost always use Dist. blow as soon as they reach you, so wait for them to use it first. They also use skull crack, but shouldn't be able to pull it off if you have SV up. If you somehow get attacked with SV down, just remember that it takes some time to gain enough adrenaline to use it, so you have a little bit of time after dist blow and before skull crack to cast. After that, one skull crack and you're toast.
Archaic Nightmare
My guildie pointed me in this direction so 10 hours gametime later my new ele - On The Bandwagon - was ready for action and has now bought our guild the rare material trader. Cheers all for the videos, tips etc and most importantly for intially developing and posting the build.
Rohan
One last problem...Fighting the graspings=easy, killing the smites=easy. There's one probelm I've somehow been having lately...the run to the smites. I've done it plenty of times before but somehow now I can't seem to do it. Tips anyone?
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Rohizzle
One last problem...Fighting the graspings=easy, killing the smites=easy. There's one probelm I've somehow been having lately...the run to the smites. I've done it plenty of times before but somehow now I can't seem to do it. Tips anyone?
Don't aggro graspings or nightmares when running to the Smites. Also, don't get caught up on walls or narrow passage ways when running past Aatxes since they will sometimes attack if you are body blocked. Beyond that, just look far beyond your path and make sure it is clear and time your run accordingly.
pegasux
i'd just want to add a little tip in here for those like me who can't seem to get the chamber in one aggro so we do it in 2. when fighting the graspings on the platform, after you cast sandstorm count to 2 then cast earthquake. this will kill em all off or leave em as 1 hit kills when they flee.
a question i have for you guys doing 8 minute runs...are you doing a full smite run or just the partial one?
a question i have for you guys doing 8 minute runs...are you doing a full smite run or just the partial one?
Bloodied Blade
I'm definitely making an elly this weekend...I got sidetracked the first time I tried, but after watching the vid my interest has been rekindled.
d r e a d375
i read on guru about those skill changes which r coming, they aren't positive for this build....
it says this:
Symphonic Visage: Recharge time reduced to 20 seconds, duration reduced to 4...10 seconds
Ancestral Visage: Recharge time reduced to 20 seconds, duration reduced to 4...10 seconds
but it means the av and sv, can we still continue to farm UW with this build or did Anerf screw another farming build?
maybe replace av/sv by mantra of resolve? costs alot of nrgy tho... :S
and smites will be able to heal -.-"
it says this:
Symphonic Visage: Recharge time reduced to 20 seconds, duration reduced to 4...10 seconds
Ancestral Visage: Recharge time reduced to 20 seconds, duration reduced to 4...10 seconds
but it means the av and sv, can we still continue to farm UW with this build or did Anerf screw another farming build?
maybe replace av/sv by mantra of resolve? costs alot of nrgy tho... :S
and smites will be able to heal -.-"
kumiel
The changes to SV and AV are confirmed now... Would it still work with a +20% enchant and maybe taking a little energy storage out and putting it into illusion?
Zeddicus Tam
I think it will still work. It will just make it even trickier than it was before. The recharge on AV/SV has been reduced by 10 seconds and the duration has almost been halved. So while we won't be able to keep it on as long, we'll be able to cast it more frequently. Timing is going to become even more critical.
With the 20% mod, AV/SV will last for about 10.6 seconds with 9 points in Illusion instead of about 16.8 seconds with 8 points (before the skill change). If you use a Major Rune of Energy Storage (or even a Minor) you can easily take points out of Energy Storage and put them into Illusion. Health isn't too critical for this build anyway as long as you have Stoneflesh Aura up.
If anything, I think this will just slow the farming down a bit. I'd be surprised if this stopped it entirely. If they changed the way Stoneflesh Aura or one of the other skills in the build works, then I'd be more concerned. Of course, I could be wrong since I haven't actually tried it with the changes yet.
With the 20% mod, AV/SV will last for about 10.6 seconds with 9 points in Illusion instead of about 16.8 seconds with 8 points (before the skill change). If you use a Major Rune of Energy Storage (or even a Minor) you can easily take points out of Energy Storage and put them into Illusion. Health isn't too critical for this build anyway as long as you have Stoneflesh Aura up.
If anything, I think this will just slow the farming down a bit. I'd be surprised if this stopped it entirely. If they changed the way Stoneflesh Aura or one of the other skills in the build works, then I'd be more concerned. Of course, I could be wrong since I haven't actually tried it with the changes yet.
Xethrion
Looks like with the change to AV and SV, it will make aggroing all 3 groups at once harder..
Edit : Nightmares also got a buff, Rend is now 5 en and 1 sec cast time instead of 3..
Edit : Nightmares also got a buff, Rend is now 5 en and 1 sec cast time instead of 3..
tuna-fish_sushi
Nightmares are going to be a pain and sv still works just instead of casting it then pulling. Pull them first wait till they waste distracting then cast then start with the ss eq as combo as normal. with smites now its almost a necesity to get big groups.
chicks boy
hey run it still possible =)
look:
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Xethrion
Anybody tried the technique of pulling all 3 groups first, then casting SV? Does it work for killing them all in one shot?
Would also be very interested in what comments Koning and the rest who have been running this build a long time have, on the effects the current update has had on running UW.
Would also be very interested in what comments Koning and the rest who have been running this build a long time have, on the effects the current update has had on running UW.
blakecraw
The run still works fine, but now instead of casting SV prior to pulling the graspings, you cast it after they have used up their distracting blows, like tuna-fish_sushi said. Or, you can just not use SV at all on them! I like to just pull them, watch until they all have used their distracting blows, and then start casting Sandstorm, works like a charm. They may get enough adrenaline for one "Fear Me!", but that's not enough to do any real damage. Also, if you refrain from using SV before casting your attack spells, you have it as a backup in case they don't all die like good little tentacled monsters.
For smites, I just wait to cast SV until they're all grouped up on me (so one doesn't stroll in late, with full energy), and then let fly with the killer combo right after casting SV. So far they haven't survived it, but I haven't gotten any really huge groups of smites either. Bigger groups would probably make it easier, but groups as small as three are still easily doable.
For smites, I just wait to cast SV until they're all grouped up on me (so one doesn't stroll in late, with full energy), and then let fly with the killer combo right after casting SV. So far they haven't survived it, but I haven't gotten any really huge groups of smites either. Bigger groups would probably make it easier, but groups as small as three are still easily doable.
Feathermoore Rep
SV/AV are 20 second recharge now. So as long as you can keep up stoneflesh and stonestriker your ok. With 20% enchant, the 20 second recharge is now just short enough so that stoneflesh ends after you can get AV/SV up. The downside however is, during the 10 second downtime, the grasps are all building their energy and adrenal up. During those 10 second, they can both get enough adrenal and energy to use skull crack AND distract blow. If either one of these go off on a skill your pretty much screwed. So aka you gotta kill the grasps the first time AV goes up or pray that you get a halves recharge.
starlitesunset
also with the skill update i could swear anet has been upgrading the monsters in uw, now when they are low on health they run and regen, happened a couple of times on this build, but also on the SB 605 / smiter duo too. making it even longer than usual anyone else notice this or did i just get a bad few monsters lol
Deacon Roswell
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Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi
... with smites now its almost a necesity to get big groups.
why would it be a necessity to get a big group of smites? the skill balance really has no impact at all on killing smites. I've killed several groups with only 2 or 3 in it. The only challenge now is the first chamber and timing your skills with the grasps.