Chapter 4 Delayed Until Q3 or Q4 2007
Age
I am glad actually as i have work to do in all 3 chapters.
VitisVinifera
I'll bring up a point I made in the 'time for anet to deliver what they promised' thread
So.....this awkward silence is brought to you by Gaile, who right now is yet again put in the impossible situation (by the devs), where she can't even do her job. She *should* be right out front just saying what the deal is.....I don't think anyone is demanding the details, just a basic statement about if Ch 4 is going to be on time, or if not, what the general plan is.
But the silence says a lot. I sometimes feel bad for Gaile, because the devs are making her look like an arse. She's covered for miscommunications and broken promises by the devs so many times. But now she can't even make a false promise -- I believe she's been told not to address this, because I'm pretty much sure she's aware of this.
So.....this awkward silence is brought to you by Gaile, who right now is yet again put in the impossible situation (by the devs), where she can't even do her job. She *should* be right out front just saying what the deal is.....I don't think anyone is demanding the details, just a basic statement about if Ch 4 is going to be on time, or if not, what the general plan is.
But the silence says a lot. I sometimes feel bad for Gaile, because the devs are making her look like an arse. She's covered for miscommunications and broken promises by the devs so many times. But now she can't even make a false promise -- I believe she's been told not to address this, because I'm pretty much sure she's aware of this.
brokenmonkey
PLeeeasssseee GAILE!!! SAy Hi in this thread just to know you read it pleeasse!!!
lyra_song
Anet's lawyers are determining what she can say...Red tape sucks.
Mister_Smiley
their was another thread posted like this. Anywho i already said what alot of people are saying that it dosn't mean much. Also anyone forget that in april GW is 2 years old.
Cacheelma
The thing is, even if we don't get to see that NCsoft statement, do you still believe we'll get C4 by the end of April?
Come on, let's get real. It's nearly in the middle of February already and we still haven't heard ANYTHING about C4 at all, not even a tiny bit of hint.
Usually we'd heard about the new chapter 4 months before released (with 2 beta events), so I'd say we won't get C4 until around.....June at best.
Come on, let's get real. It's nearly in the middle of February already and we still haven't heard ANYTHING about C4 at all, not even a tiny bit of hint.
Usually we'd heard about the new chapter 4 months before released (with 2 beta events), so I'd say we won't get C4 until around.....June at best.
Dione Davore
How can something that never got an official release date be delayed...
VitisVinifera
because it's been well-documented and stated over and over that they would release chapters every 6 months
Neriandal Freit
Whether it was official or not, it can still be delayed. It happens all the time.
I don't mind the delay as I've already stated, I think it works in everyones favor for the most part and will make it that much more wanted when it is released
I don't mind the delay as I've already stated, I think it works in everyones favor for the most part and will make it that much more wanted when it is released
Dione Davore
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because it's been well-documented and stated over and over that they would release chapters every 6 months
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So you're using old information. And it has no official release date and 2007 is still a long year. Having no information in February doesn't mean there won't be a new chapter...
impoc
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it was never set in stone that they had to put out 2 games a year, thats what they were going to try, but sometimes plans change
however I would find it hilarious if they do a dual launch with two new campaigns on the same day
Eldin
I'm also happy it's being delayed. Will give me more time to catch up. Honestly, if you don't buy the latest chapter just as it comes out, you're way behind all of a sudden.
Villager
Two things:
First, check the most recent Gaile log on GWOnline from Sunday: http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=442151. She states clearly that she is aware of the mention of the update in the NCSoft financial report but is not aware that they have anything of the sort planned.
Second, in a followup message on that thread she also says she expects that there will be news about the next chapter soon.
First, check the most recent Gaile log on GWOnline from Sunday: http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=442151. She states clearly that she is aware of the mention of the update in the NCSoft financial report but is not aware that they have anything of the sort planned.
Second, in a followup message on that thread she also says she expects that there will be news about the next chapter soon.
Kakumei
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however I would find it hilarious if they do a dual launch with two new campaigns on the same day
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Deleet
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I'm also happy it's being delayed. Will give me more time to catch up. Honestly, if you don't buy the latest chapter just as it comes out, you're way behind all of a sudden.
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Anyway, you already have the answer..
"When it's done"
Deleet
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Originally Posted by Kakumei
Actually, that's not such a bad idea. That hadn't even occurred to me as a possibility, but it's pretty interesting.
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Kakumei
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Originally Posted by Deleet
Sales would go down, many people can't afford to buy two at once, and even once every 6 months may be expensive.
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I don't really care about how "difficult" it would be--I commented that it would be interesting, that's all.
Blu_onyx
CHAPTER 4 : JULY
Would be a suitable time frame. But if it was left past this to Q4 "end-of-year-ish time" , that would indicate to me that somethings amiss.
A new chapter in the thick of this New Year, would be a fantastic treat ! and a postive sign for all of us.
It's far too early for people to be getting all paranoid about the ifs , mights and mabyes of the future of Guild Wars.
I think what happens is people come to a point where they themself cannot see where things should go, and what needs to
be done, so they assume that NC Soft and the developers are thinking along the same lines
Well , this is not how it works. NC Soft Staff are professional, highly paid, highly skilled creatives who are the absolute market leaders in their profession.
They have this baby sorted !, make no mistake. Leave the progression and creative leaps up to the dev'sleading GVP Guild.
That is not im imply do not make suggestions!, not at all. What it does mean is stop doubting that things aren't under full and complete control. !
Otherwords, enjoy the game, relax in the knowledge that GW's is being worked on and nurtured by a team of professionals,
who's creative idea's and list of forthcoming implementations,idea's and concepts too be added to forthcoming Guild Wars
Chapters is literally overflowing !!
Would be a suitable time frame. But if it was left past this to Q4 "end-of-year-ish time" , that would indicate to me that somethings amiss.
A new chapter in the thick of this New Year, would be a fantastic treat ! and a postive sign for all of us.
It's far too early for people to be getting all paranoid about the ifs , mights and mabyes of the future of Guild Wars.
I think what happens is people come to a point where they themself cannot see where things should go, and what needs to
be done, so they assume that NC Soft and the developers are thinking along the same lines
Well , this is not how it works. NC Soft Staff are professional, highly paid, highly skilled creatives who are the absolute market leaders in their profession.
They have this baby sorted !, make no mistake. Leave the progression and creative leaps up to the dev'sleading GVP Guild.
That is not im imply do not make suggestions!, not at all. What it does mean is stop doubting that things aren't under full and complete control. !
Otherwords, enjoy the game, relax in the knowledge that GW's is being worked on and nurtured by a team of professionals,
who's creative idea's and list of forthcoming implementations,idea's and concepts too be added to forthcoming Guild Wars
Chapters is literally overflowing !!
sindex
The only thing we do know is that chapter 4, has been in the works since somewhat after Factions release.
"They wanted to get the word out that development on both Campaign 3 and 4 of Guild Wars was well underway, and we'd be able to get a bit of a sneak peek at the new stand-alone expansion.” -Gamespy 5/11/2006
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"They wanted to get the word out that development on both Campaign 3 and 4 of Guild Wars was well underway, and we'd be able to get a bit of a sneak peek at the new stand-alone expansion.” -Gamespy 5/11/2006
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Mystic-
Who knows, CH4 might already be almost finished and due for release in april! :O
They just wont tell us ^^
They just wont tell us ^^
Loviatar
just to add to the debate as to their definition of *MAJOR UPDATE TO THE FRANCHISE* as meaning *A NEW CHAPTER* i went back to the quarterly finincial statement where Nightfall was mentioned.
the link does not work right now but it is press releases page 2 number 70
http://www.ncsoft.com/eng/ncpress/list.asp
note carefully that it as listed in the finincial report as a *campaign not as a *major UPDATE to the franchise*
the link does not work right now but it is press releases page 2 number 70
http://www.ncsoft.com/eng/ncpress/list.asp
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Ninna
stated by Alex Weekes earlier this year
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10102743
no info about release date tho 
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10102743
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Rakeman
Arguing "Campaign" versus "Update" is just foolish. It could be either way. You don't know. And neither does anybody who is at liberty to post it on a forum.
DreamCatcher
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"major update to the Guild Wars franchise in the latter half of 2007" could mean anything, from immense DirectX 10 graphics overhaul, auction houses, player-owned shops, ability to use interface mods, new chat system, new PvP options, mulit-user instances (where individual people can just stroll into and beat stuff up with others).....
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Gaile Gray
Note: You cannot "delay" something that has not been announced. You cannot push back a date that has never been discussed officially via any means. I'm sorry if anyone is disappointed with what they're reading, but until they read it from us -- any part of any announcement of anything to do with what ArenaNet creates -- well, they're taking a risk that they're putting stock in a handful of air. 
And no, we are not moving to a monthly fee for Guild Wars! (That's about 5,439.3 times I've said that.
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And no, we are not moving to a monthly fee for Guild Wars! (That's about 5,439.3 times I've said that.
VitisVinifera
i'd say that means it's delayed
otherwise a statement would be the logical response
ps, for giggles, im sure someone could find one of those 'every 6 months' statements
edit: for the record I'm all for a delay. Considering the unbalanced and broken nature between pve vs pvp, unimplemented features and promises, how little playtesting has happened for the release of ch 2& 3 in order to get them out, and how ch 4 needs a completely new rethinking (as in not more of the same), plus how now most of us want to take our characters across campaigns, yeah.....take your time and start off right
otherwise a statement would be the logical response
ps, for giggles, im sure someone could find one of those 'every 6 months' statements
edit: for the record I'm all for a delay. Considering the unbalanced and broken nature between pve vs pvp, unimplemented features and promises, how little playtesting has happened for the release of ch 2& 3 in order to get them out, and how ch 4 needs a completely new rethinking (as in not more of the same), plus how now most of us want to take our characters across campaigns, yeah.....take your time and start off right
Loviatar
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since she has to be polite what she said was stop being a silly little twit who locks onto rumors and wait for an official announcement.
logical reason for not saying a thing yet is that people are still buying Nightfall.
make a big anouncement about chapter 4 now and someone who sees it might decide to wait a few months til the end of April (my guess) instead of getting Nightfall now
thelegendozelda
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Note: You cannot "delay" something that has not been announced. You cannot push back a date that has never been discussed officially via any means. I'm sorry if anyone is disappointed with what they're reading, but until they read it from us -- any part of any announcement of anything to do with what ArenaNet creates -- well, they're taking a risk that they're putting stock in a handful of air.
And no, we are not moving to a monthly fee for Guild Wars! (That's about 5,439.3 times I've said that. |
OK now say......yes CH 4 maybe coming......and it will maybe be here in (insert month here)
that way you can say.........you only told us MAYBE
Frazzy
I'm glad they are pulling it back. This gives them more time to take there heads out of there asses and make the game at least compete with prophecies. Factions was horrible and Nightfall was a little better but not nearly as good as prophecies. Think ANET will actually put more than one type of monster in chapter 4? lol @ factions
Loviatar
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i would really love to hear the rational on that
she said
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HalPlantagenet
It appears I am mistaken or confused. Like some others posting to this thread I was under the impression that Arenanet had committed itself to a six months release cycle. That impression came from a number of sources, such as a published interview with Jeff Strain in which he stated "last October (2005) we had staffed up to the point where we had parallel teams - overlapping, staggered development teams. So each of these new campaigns has an entire year of development, from a full development team, and they're released on staggered six month cycles." Nightfall was released in October 2006 and, based on Strain's statement, I presumed the subsequent chapter was scheduled for April 2007. Gaile Gray states, "you cannot push back a date that has never been discussed officially via any means." I can only deduce that Mr. Strain was not speaking officially.
With regards to her subsequent statement saying "until they read it from us..." I would like to note that Arenanet is, according to their web site, "a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft" and that it is not unreasonable to presume NCSoft is speaking officially for Arenanet in its earnings announcement.
My inferences in my initial post were made soley on the basis of public comments from representatives of Arenanet or their parent company. Again, I wish them the best of luck with chapter four and intend to purchase and play it whenever it's released.
With regards to her subsequent statement saying "until they read it from us..." I would like to note that Arenanet is, according to their web site, "a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft" and that it is not unreasonable to presume NCSoft is speaking officially for Arenanet in its earnings announcement.
My inferences in my initial post were made soley on the basis of public comments from representatives of Arenanet or their parent company. Again, I wish them the best of luck with chapter four and intend to purchase and play it whenever it's released.
Grimm
I don't mind so much. Please make sure everything in the game now is balanced and such, then bring on new classes and skills.
jayce
correct me if im wrong, but if history involving arenanet holds to form, then i believe that the proper steps will go as follows:
1. news on new product 1 - 2 months before pre-release
2. pre-release in stores about 1.5 - 2 months before launch
3. new product goes live.
with the exception of prophecies, thats normally how it goes. and if you want to get technical about the every six month window, then yes, they are probably behind. but is there really anyone here that cares if they are behind? i mean arenanet has given me no indication that there will not be a another chapter, so im not at all worried about it. if they were not actively trying to improve the game, then i might be concerned. but that is not the case here.
so if arenanet want to take a few more months preparing the next chapter in the guild wars saga, then its fine by me. hopefully, they will turn out a product thats on the same level, if not higher, than prophecies. while factions and nightfall are both good games, they both fell well short of prophecies in terms of replayability imo. 75% of my online time is spent in tyria. that is the one game arenanet got right the first time.
Jayce Of Underworld
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Animate Soul Lich
Energy: 25
Cast: 3
Recharge: 0
Elite Skill. Animate a level 1...14 Soul Lich
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1. news on new product 1 - 2 months before pre-release
2. pre-release in stores about 1.5 - 2 months before launch
3. new product goes live.
with the exception of prophecies, thats normally how it goes. and if you want to get technical about the every six month window, then yes, they are probably behind. but is there really anyone here that cares if they are behind? i mean arenanet has given me no indication that there will not be a another chapter, so im not at all worried about it. if they were not actively trying to improve the game, then i might be concerned. but that is not the case here.
so if arenanet want to take a few more months preparing the next chapter in the guild wars saga, then its fine by me. hopefully, they will turn out a product thats on the same level, if not higher, than prophecies. while factions and nightfall are both good games, they both fell well short of prophecies in terms of replayability imo. 75% of my online time is spent in tyria. that is the one game arenanet got right the first time.
Jayce Of Underworld
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Animate Soul Lich
Energy: 25
Cast: 3
Recharge: 0
Elite Skill. Animate a level 1...14 Soul Lich
at your location and you lose all energy. You
suffer -1 energy regeneration for each Soul Lich
you control. Whenever a Soul Lich you control
deals damage, you gain 2 energy.(Soul Reaping)
lennymon
My prediction: There will be no Chapter 4 as we imagine it... There will be a 'New Beginning', an entirely new paradigm. This trilogy has come full circle and a new day is just beyond the horizon. The business model was for a new release every 6 months, and business models do NOT equate to reality 2 years later. In game dev time 2 years is a near eternity. Chapter 4 may not have new professions, but my money is on all new and shiny.
VitisVinifera
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It appears I am mistaken or confused. Like some others posting to this thread I was under the impression that Arenanet had committed itself to a six months release cycle. That impression came from a number of sources, such as a published interview with Jeff Strain in which he stated "last October (2005) we had staffed up to the point where we had parallel teams - overlapping, staggered development teams. So each of these new campaigns has an entire year of development, from a full development team, and they're released on staggered six month cycles." Nightfall was released in October 2006 and, based on Strain's statement, I presumed the subsequent chapter was scheduled for April 2007. Gaile Gray states, "you cannot push back a date that has never been discussed officially via any means." I can only deduce that Mr. Strain was not speaking officially.
With regards to her subsequent statement saying "until they read it from us..." I would like to note that Arenanet is, according to their web site, "a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft" and that it is not unreasonable to presume NCSoft is speaking officially for Arenanet in its earnings announcement. My inferences in my initial post were made soley on the basis of public comments from representatives of Arenanet or their parent company. Again, I wish them the best of luck with chapter four and intend to purchase and play it whenever it's released. |
Vermilion Okeanos
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My prediction: There will be no Chapter 4 as we imagine it... There will be a 'New Beginning', an entirely new paradigm. This trilogy has come full circle and a new day is just beyond the horizon. The business model was for a new release every 6 months, and business models do NOT equate to reality 2 years later. In game dev time 2 years is a near eternity. Chapter 4 may not have new professions, but my money is on all new and shiny.
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They purposely tried binding all 3 chapters and finish with it, and that's a HUGE clue on them trying to do something new in ch4.
If I was a dev, I would defintely want to give a better preperation for this ch4.
As a gamer, I would wait.
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At 1st I saw this thread and thought "cool! new info about ch4!!" and then I find out it was just some same old speculation. I feel cheated. Next time please please please please put a big red [[[SPECULATION]]] sign on the thread title.
Zonzai
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It appears I am mistaken or confused. Like some others posting to this thread I was under the impression that Arenanet had committed itself to a six months release cycle.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Strain
"last October (2005) we had staffed up to the point where we had parallel teams - overlapping, staggered development teams. So each of these new campaigns has an entire year of development, from a full development team, and they're released on staggered six month cycles."
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Notice that Gaile neither confirmed nor denyed the OP's statement. Based on my past experiences with similar business entities, product release dates and public representitives -- with much repetition of those experiences I might add -- a financial report and a subsequent lack of complete denial almost always indicates the validity of that financial report.
However, it is also possible that they fear the financial repercussions of plummeting stock or that they simply made the estimate as conservatively as possible in order to avoid other circumstances (e.g. taxes).
Redfeather1975
I think you are right on the money HalPlantagenet.
I think that Anet decided to spend more time and resources on the next chapter because they wanted it to be a truly next gen, GW game.
Each campaign is a stand alone title, and to envision each campaign as an opportunity to innovate is something that will hopefully bring great results.
Here's hoping that the next game being released later this year is all about trying to redefine and innovate the series to really set it above and beyond what we have already seen!
I think that Anet decided to spend more time and resources on the next chapter because they wanted it to be a truly next gen, GW game.
Each campaign is a stand alone title, and to envision each campaign as an opportunity to innovate is something that will hopefully bring great results.
Here's hoping that the next game being released later this year is all about trying to redefine and innovate the series to really set it above and beyond what we have already seen!
DeanBB
Bleh... 
- Still no official announcement on chapter 4/whatever is next.
- Still a bunch of speculation and trying to read into what little info is out there or perhaps what is NOT being said.
- Chapter 4 still is not late based on the 6 month cycle, it is only February.
- Still no official announcement on chapter 4/whatever is next.
- Still a bunch of speculation and trying to read into what little info is out there or perhaps what is NOT being said.
- Chapter 4 still is not late based on the 6 month cycle, it is only February.
Cassandra
prepare for Guildwars 2.0, october 2007
/runs away in fear
/runs away in fear