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Shmanka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In Your Head

The Brave Will Fall [Nion]

Me/

14 Feb 2007 at 19:54 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Note: You cannot "delay" something that has not been announced. You cannot push back a date that has never been discussed officially via any means.

Gaile we love how you respond to us but I believe this is the wrong thing to say, this can be interpreted in so many negative ways. When I first read this I got the impression, "The OP is right on the money like board walk in Monopoly"

We have no official information on the new release.

We have no date on the release.

The guildwars community is surprisingly frustrated about this, and this is the response we get?

Please clarify, cause I think I'm getting the wrong tone.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

14 Feb 2007 at 19:59 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Note: You cannot "delay" something that has not been announced. You cannot push back a date that has never been discussed officially via any means.

So, it IS going to be later than anticipated among the fanbase, and Gaile is just letting us know we can't scream bloody hell about it. I am with her on that... 6 month releases was never a promise, and they may have found good reason (*coughfactionscough*) to change their originally intended schedule.

tyche7

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Nebraska

The Killer Panda Bears

W/Mo

14 Feb 2007 at 22:40 - 83

With all the work and dedication they're putting into the project we have little room for complaints. If they want to push back a release date to give us a better, more polished product then I'm 100% behind that! I'm excited for the 4th chapter - now even more so.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

14 Feb 2007 at 22:49 - 84

Yeah the complaints never stop. First some people complain that chapters were too rushed. Then they complain that there's not enough updates. Now it's complaints that the chapter might be late. No one can do it all you know. You complainers cant even make up your mind on what you want to complain about.

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

14 Feb 2007 at 22:51 - 85

Just because it's taking longer doesn't mean there is any extra work or more content. I mean, you can assume that, but it certainly shouldn't get the response "yay it's going to be better!" It was over a year before Factions came out and six months from that when Nightfall came out and most people find Nightfall to be better.

Anyway since it's free I'll check back once in a great while. But by the time the next chapter comes out I have a feeling I'll be over it. Still I have no hard feeling for the game I think Guild Wars is great and I feel I've by far gotten my money's worth and wish it all the best.

For me personally though I was looking forward to the six month thing that they themselves announced. So I've lost interest.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

14 Feb 2007 at 23:11 - 86

Speaking for myself at least and a lot more perhaps, I don't think we are complaining that it might be delayed -- I've stated multiple times I'm all for delaying the next chapter, for 2 main reasons: the current state of the game is a mess, and rushing the Factions team to another steaming pile wouldn't be good.
What concerns me is we have Alex, etc, stating they are on a 6 month cycle, then Gaile saying there is no announcement (maybe Alex and Gaile should have a little chat), and this is leaving the rest of us in the dark. Gaile's JOB is to come forward with these pieces of information, and right now the impression I get is that she's being muzzled by the devs and not able to do her job. Which both denigrates her position and the value of us as customers.

Feminist Terrorist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oh Noes! The 'burbs!

14 Feb 2007 at 23:19 - 87

*applauds*
Well said Vitis.

I'm all for having a longer development cycle, myself, but that's not the point here. The point is that we, the players, are asking for a clarification, and we're not getting one. It's a simple question: is the next expansion/update/whatever going to be released at the end of April or not?

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

14 Feb 2007 at 23:20 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

Which both denigrates her position and the value of us as customers.

"Denigrates the value of us as customers?" Breathe. Sit back. Relax. You're taking this too seriously. When they're ready to announce release dates then they will. Is it really that urgent? Is there nothing else in life to look forward to? Besides, we're only 4 months after the last release. Have some patience for crying out loud, especially you Vitis. You always seem to be one of the first to complain on these boards.

Pandora's box

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Netherlands

Mo/W

14 Feb 2007 at 23:30 - 89

I think its a risky strategy. With 1 game each 6 months they can afford a less succesfull chapter. With 1 game each 9 month they can't afford that anymore. Every new update needs to be succesful than.

Another thing is the surviving of guilds. Lots of guilds want active players. Inactive players often get banned after a while. But with a low frequency of new chapters the amount of inactive players will grow rapidly. Only big guilds can survive this way.

For me personally the whole story is no suprise since we already heard this some months ago in this forum. Delaying 1 chapter should not be a problem. Not with already 3 chapters out. Yet next chapters should be in the old 6 months frequency again. Otherwise players might turn to other games definatevely...

Lord Palidore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

15 Feb 2007 at 02:51 - 90

I'm very pleased to hear this. Now Anet can work on developing a more full, better quality game.

Arangja

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Namibia, Africa

SCARS MEADOWS [SMS]

19 Feb 2007 at 09:55 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

I think its a risky strategy. With 1 game each 6 months they can afford a less succesfull chapter. With 1 game each 9 month they can't afford that anymore. Every new update needs to be succesful than.

Another thing is the surviving of guilds. Lots of guilds want active players. Inactive players often get banned after a while. But with a low frequency of new chapters the amount of inactive players will grow rapidly. Only big guilds can survive this way.

For me personally the whole story is no suprise since we already heard this some months ago in this forum. Delaying 1 chapter should not be a problem. Not with already 3 chapters out. Yet next chapters should be in the old 6 months frequency again. Otherwise players might turn to other games definatevely...

I just have a couple of questions and Pandora this is not directed at you, I'm just using your message as a kickoff.

How many characters have you all got that are pushing so much for this 6 month release dates, have all these characters completed all the chapters?? Have all these characters got all the titles?? I think through these questions you will be able to see that there are a heck of a lot more to do in these games than just rush through it to get to the end. Also I would say guildwise, guilds tend to disban when ppl get bored, so why not organize fun or interesting stuff as a guild, anything can be done to keep ppl's interests and when members feel that the leader and officers are looking out for their best interests then they will stay.

Personally for me I will wait till the next chapter comes out and I am sure that when it comes out I will still have stuff to do in all three other chapters, even if it is to help, new member or old members, whith whatever they need in the other chapters. That way you can move into the next chapter as a guild and explore it together.

Well thats just my 2 cents, as far as I am concerned ANet has done a good job so far, and I am happy for the service I have paid for.

Mightywayne

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

Unfortunately America.

Burnt Toast Clan

N/Mo

21 Feb 2007 at 14:55 - 92

You know, I'd rather GW just actually changed its style of combat a bit. Well. A lot.

I left GW for WoW about a month ago... I was tired of exploring things for no reason, saving up money for armor that did nothing, and frankly, my last moment on it was going into a semi-noob mission and getting spiked by a searing flames boss and I just said goodbye to my guild, and ex'd out.

I know saying WoW on this forum is like setting a haystack on fire, and I used to be the same way too. GW will always have a special place in my heart, and the PVP will always be the best I've experienced.

If this chapter changes the gameplay from "pointless money grinding" to actually building a character and watching him/her grow, I'll preorder the thing the first day possible. I just want a rewarding experience from chapter 4. Chapter 3 had heroes which sorta I guess is like making your own character better (and rewarding, y'see?) but I mean still we're limited in some aspects.

So I don't care how long it takes ANet to do another campaign, as long as it's rewarding... and I would like a storyline with romance but let's not get excited.

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

21 Feb 2007 at 15:31 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mightywayne

You know, I'd rather GW just actually changed its style of combat a bit. Well. A lot.

I left GW for WoW about a month ago... I was tired of exploring things for no reason, saving up money for armor that did nothing, and frankly, my last moment on it was going into a semi-noob mission and getting spiked by a searing flames boss and I just said goodbye to my guild, and ex'd out.

I know saying WoW on this forum is like setting a haystack on fire, and I used to be the same way too. GW will always have a special place in my heart, and the PVP will always be the best I've experienced.

If this chapter changes the gameplay from "pointless money grinding" to actually building a character and watching him/her grow, I'll preorder the thing the first day possible. I just want a rewarding experience from chapter 4. Chapter 3 had heroes which sorta I guess is like making your own character better (and rewarding, y'see?) but I mean still we're limited in some aspects.

So I don't care how long it takes ANet to do another campaign, as long as it's rewarding... and I would like a storyline with romance but let's not get excited.

The whole point of Guild Wars is the balanced. I enjoy Guild Wars more than any other MMO because it doesn't require me to put hours into grinding my character up or saving up for ridiculously priced armour just so I can be as good as everyone else already playing.

I do understand what you mean, but if there was armour that was a lot stronger than normal then everyone would need to go out and buy it, even if they don't want to, just so they can match everyone else.

As it is, if you want to pay 75+k for a set of cool looking armour you can, and you'll look better than those who only spent 10k, you've earned something for that but at the same time those who only spent 10k for theres because they don't have the time to play the game so much don't have to worry about being outmatched by everyone else.

If you don't like this system, then stick with WoW. Changing Guild Wars to make it more like every other MMO out there would not be a good thing.

Captain Sarcastic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Ghost Corps

W/Mo

21 Feb 2007 at 16:22 - 94

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist

The point is that we, the players, are asking for a clarification, and we're not getting one. It's a simple question: is the next expansion/update/whatever going to be released at the end of April or not?

This is prolly my main source of annoyance with GW right now.

It's a little more than two months til the scheduled release date (Based on the six month schedule and comments made that things are "on schedule"). There has been no word from A-net other than a vague "soon". Nothing on preorders, pre-release stuff -- hell, we don't even know what the name, or theme is.

You know, basic stuff.

With every other chapter, we've typically has some type of news this close to release. The buzz machine has had nothing but rumors to go on, and the rumors are getting pretty old.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

21 Feb 2007 at 16:35 - 95

I say, NF and F proved that devs can create good stuff, they just need extra time. I rather give em time and have one perfect expansion than not give em enough time and have two lackluster ones.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

Vista is really that bad?

Its even worse. evils name is DRM followed closely by insecurity.

seriously, anyone thinking that DX10 will make this game prettier is wrong ... whether game is pretty or not is entirelly in hands artists. because you get extra super cool type of reflection or shaddow means nothing (and graphix!!! hunt worst thing that happened to games industry).

artist >> engine

hell, even

bad artist >> engine

I mean, look at screenies with DX8 and DX9+Shaders version of GW, i can never find meaningfull differences.

Besides, anet should want game to be not recourse hog so that people who actually use PC for work and not for performance epeen can run GW and enjoy it.

Mightywayne

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

Unfortunately America.

Burnt Toast Clan

N/Mo

21 Feb 2007 at 16:36 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

If you don't like this system, then stick with WoW.

Don't... say that. That's just not good etiquette. That's like criticizing the president and then someone says to you, "Yeah, well why don't YOU become president?!"

I don't mind the system. But there's points of insanity. Wayne has killed Shiro, the Lich, and saved Elona from utter destruction. And then he goes into PVP and gets killed by a PVP character that is basically better than an RP character instantly. They can change their weapons to fit them at will, and things like superior rune of vigor cost like 6k faction to build up to.

I like the "balance" idea, but I find it falls victim to what many RPGs do, and that's like... how you can have, say, 8 domination mesmers on one team, versus the other team, and without specialized team formation from the other team, the domination mesmers will destroy. All it requires is team work, and some skill. It's too bad that RP characters aren't really able to shine, and I'd like to see that change in Ch4.

Edit: Oh, uhm. Yes, Zwei is correct. The game only looks as good as the artists will make it. DX from my experience is mostly used as performance enhancing, rather than making lots of things look prettier and stuff.

Ferret

Elite Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005

England

Ferrets Unity of Rogues (FUR)

R/Mo

21 Feb 2007 at 16:39 - 97

If you go to the GAME website, it says that you can preorder GW Chpt 4 in 44 days time (suggesting it will be available in April), but if you go to PLAY.COM, it says it is due for release in Sept 2007.

A bit of difference with the actual retailer view on it too it would seem.

Personally, i'd rather it was September myself and give me time to get all my characters through Elona and to get all those side quests done. A new Chpt every six months is a bit too frequent IMO.

thelegendozelda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

OoT

W/Mo

21 Feb 2007 at 16:56 - 98

I hate to say it......but if GW:4 doesn't come out until July onward. I'll loose interest and find another game. If only they would give us the name, a screenshot something to grasp onto.

cthulhu reborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

the Netherlands

W/Mo

21 Feb 2007 at 16:59 - 99

I am actually relieved to find out it will take longer...yes I am curious about chapter 4 but now it's taking a few months longer than last time I fell like I can breathe again....I have 12 characters..I know I know, my own choice. But most have finished Elona and now I feel I get the time to do the less priority stuf...just explore a bit do a couple of quests...bum around if you will, but enjoying it....

still curious though ;-)

BryanM

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

21 Feb 2007 at 23:00 - 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

Gaile's JOB is to come forward with these pieces of information, and right now the impression I get is that she's being muzzled by the devs and not able to do her job.

To be honest I've been wondering if she only knows what sekrits they want to pass on. Not knowing the answer is okay and all - it's so that she'd be unable to accidentally spill the beans, so to speak. Is this how the beans are kept under the lid, Ms. Gray?

Just curious.

If the hype machine doesn't gear up next week or the one after that, we can pretty much toss out the idea of an April release.

The challenge mission ladder has given my guild something to reach for in the mean time, at least.

Alias_X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

21 Feb 2007 at 23:34 - 101

I hope it comes out later.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

21 Feb 2007 at 23:44 - 102

I hope it doesn't come out till 2008!

flamegrilled cheese

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

Genesis Knights

E/Me

21 Feb 2007 at 23:51 - 103

Would be a nice relief if the rumors about chapter 4 being released late are true as taking a full account of characters through a campaign in 6 months is a rush.

As a lot of you will already know there are 2 different teams that work on GW. Prophecies and Nightfall by one, Factions and Chapter 4 by another. Now, factions was delayed and took a year to appear after prophecies. I think its quite likely that chapter 4 will be delayed too as its the same team. Also they'll be more careful with this chapter after the complaints about factions and might take longer to make sure its perfect.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

22 Feb 2007 at 00:02 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanM

To be honest I've been wondering if she only knows what sekrits they want to pass on. Not knowing the answer is okay and all - it's so that she'd be unable to accidentally spill the beans, so to speak. Is this how the beans are kept under the lid, Ms. Gray?

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lets get rid of at least some of this garbage.

Quote:

I am a member of the Design Team. I am not PR, don't work for PR, and don't get my direction on what to say, what to talk about, or how to act from anyone in PR. I get my information straight from Mike O'Brien, James Phinney, and other members of my team. I speak to you as a Design Team member, as a developer. No one asks me to lie.

Quote:

Gaile Gray
Community Relations Manager
ArenaNet

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10084554

she also called the late 07 NCsoft release date a sock of air

note

they now have an established player base and no longer need to put a play me code in every magazine begging people to try it.

since they are stil selling Nightfall why should they get players who are buying Nightfall excited enough about chapter 4 so they skip buying Nightfall?

*wow does chapter 4 sound great. i will wait for that instead of getting Nightfall now*

it makes economic sence to wait til the last minute now instead of giving things away in advance to advertise it the way they HAD to at first

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

22 Feb 2007 at 00:12 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by flamegrilled cheese

As a lot of you will already know there are 2 different teams that work on GW. Prophecies and Nightfall by one, Factions and Chapter 4 by another. Now, factions was delayed and took a year to appear after prophecies. I think its quite likely that chapter 4 will be delayed too as its the same team. Also they'll be more careful with this chapter after the complaints about factions and might take longer to make sure its perfect.

lets get rid of more misinformation.

each chapter gets one full year.

Factions took a year to put out because the team started as soon as GW was released.

NIGHTFALL got a full year as well.

they started in October of 05 six months after the release of Factions.

AFTER ONE FULL YEAR FROM OCTOBER 05 IT WAS RELEASED IN OCTOBER 06

chapter 4 started with the release of FACTIONS on April 27 06 and one full year will be April of 07

Captain Sarcastic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Ghost Corps

W/Mo

22 Feb 2007 at 01:07 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

they now have an established player base and no longer need to put a play me code in every magazine begging people to try it.

since they are stil selling Nightfall why should they get players who are buying Nightfall excited enough about chapter 4 so they skip buying Nightfall?

*wow does chapter 4 sound great. i will wait for that instead of getting Nightfall now*

Well, let's see...

I have 10 characters -- 11 if you count my perma-pre. Most of my characters have finished Prophecies and Factions. Four of them have finished Nightfall. I'm tired of pushing chatracters through the same old missions and quests, be they Chapter 1, 2, or 3. I want some new content to play with. This past weekend was loads of fun, but now it's gone. I logged in Monday and almost logged right back out again.

If they want to delay the game, fine, delay it. Just let us know. The game has been in development for almost 10 months now. Surely they have something to give us by now.

After Prophecies, they set an expectation of a new chapter every six months. With factions, and Nightfall, they set a precedent in regards to how they put out information, arrange preorders, and have a pre-release package. With Chapter 4, they've deviated from the pattern. Four months after Nightfall -- two months from when we would expect the next chapter to arrive -- there's nothing out there.

With Factions, and Nightfall, there were magazine articles, pre-release info, and even some leaked screenshots by this time in the cycle.

Our alliance of four guilds now has my guild, two dead guilds, and one barely limping along. Most people have either gone back to WoW, or started playing new games -- because they have new content (or content new to them). I can't really blame them. Why should they stick around?

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

22 Feb 2007 at 01:29 - 107

^qft Cpt Sarcastic's entire post

each of these retread event weekends just delays the inevitable. I'll also agree that pushing every single character through each title seriously gets boring. Gotta take my 10 characters through 3 games = 30 reruns. Seriously no fun. Now if they don't innovate, and it's 12 characters through 4 games, 48 reruns is just a waste of time.

But digressing, we sure haven't been hearing much from Gaile the last few weeks except correcting event miscommunications. Is she an intern?

Mad King Corn

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2006

22 Feb 2007 at 01:30 - 108

Quote:

Vista is really that bad?

Here are just a few articles to help you decide if Vista is right for you. I encourage everyone to research this info before buying and installing Vista on their machine.

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/%7Epgut...ista_cost.html

and episode 74 from HERE

Vistas Fine Print

And this one HERE

After doing the research I have decided that I will NEVER install Vista on any computer.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

22 Feb 2007 at 01:35 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Sarcastic

Why should they stick around?

no reason at all if they are tired of GW and want a break/change of pace.

it was made just for doing that.

maybe , and please forgive my saying this but i couldnt stop myself

maybe chapter 4 will be so good it wll *wow* them back for another round

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

22 Feb 2007 at 01:44 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad King Corn

Here are just a few articles to help you decide if Vista is right for you. I encourage everyone to research this info before buying and installing Vista on their machine.

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/%7Epgut...ista_cost.html

and episode 74 from HERE

Vistas Fine Print

And this one HERE

After doing the research I have decided that I will NEVER install Vista on any computer.

A lot of this is serious exaggeration. I'm running Vista right now and I haven't run into any of these "problems"--especially that first link--detailed.

Hanharr

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

AVA

W/Mo

22 Feb 2007 at 01:53 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

maybe chapter 4 will be so good it wll *wow* them back for another round

This was a tempting pun to use, but lets not use it again

.

Seriously, what do you think is needed for many players to return and come for the 1st time? Many things obviously, but what is the primary need?

Captain Sarcastic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Ghost Corps

W/Mo

22 Feb 2007 at 01:59 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanharr

Seriously, what do you think is needed for many players to return and come for the 1st time? Many things obviously, but what is the primary need?

Hmmm... I think a better question would be, "What's needed to keep them from leaving"?

To answer your question, though...

It depends. The longer we have to wait, the better Chapter 4 will have to be to pull them away from their WoW, L2, and whatever shiny new accounts to new games they've acquired during A-net's lapse.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

22 Feb 2007 at 02:07 - 113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanharr

Seriously, what do you think is needed for many players to return and come for the 1st time? Many things obviously, but what is the primary need?

this might seem a little harsh, but I think this sums it up for me:

Anet needs to stop rushing out incomplete games with half-baked central themes, and considering them works in progress for 6 months, subject to constant unpredictable nerfs and changes, until it's time for the next one, leaving most of the worst features broken

Hanharr

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

AVA

W/Mo

22 Feb 2007 at 02:11 - 114

I think to answer my question, at least from a primary PvE standpoint because I don't have enough time to pvp, Anet needs more character developement, it greatly enchances the connection players have to the game.

Plus, new character developement ideas could lead to possible gold sinks which is always good, and it'll definetly keep many players interested until the next chapter release, where much more people will buy the game. Win-win situation, Anet profits, as what they are supposed to do as a bussiness, and the players have fun

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twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

22 Feb 2007 at 02:51 - 115

This is still a lot of speculation but this will give the players another voice in why we do not like the 6 month release scheduled.

After factions everyone was yelling TOO SOON!!!! We just got 2 new classes that we haven't figured out. Once we figure something out with the rit it gets completely destroyed and scraped for 8 months in pvp play.

The assassin could only fit in gank teams and still has a very hard time fitting into a large based team.

I hope they do slow down the schedule not for any other reason than balance. Prophecies was the best time in GW for 1 reason. We had an entire year to get the balance right. Its been out of wack ever since the new expansions were introduced. We still have many balance problems to day.

You cannot introduce 400+ skill every 6 months. You have to have something that limit the number of skills that can be used. Please Anet learn from your mentor MTG and put in restrictions and bans instead of just "balancing" a skill till its completely useless in all formats of the game.

GW has been a sinking ship for quite some time no matter how Anet tries to spin it. Less and less people purchased nightfalls and factions than prophecies. If it was good new Anet would been waving a victory banner bragging about how many sells they have. Instead we get "well...nightfalls is still selling." If there was a very positive thing to say about their sales it would have been plastered everywhere by now. Who cares if what they say to use tells their competition. Maybe then the players playing those other games might actually take notice in GW instead only knowing "Nerfnet."