Protector Of X and Hard Mode ?

I don't have much to add to this discussion, I am mostly posting in hopes that the more posts that Anet sees, the more likely they are not to introduce a HARD mode...or atleast if there is a hard mode have a totally different title track for it. ADDING ON TO TITLES IS BAD IMO. Case and point being that they are discussing the skill title and making it specific to chapter so you CAN max it.

My guildhall smells of rich mahogany!

protector was the easiest title to max (unless u got money to burn, so then theres wisdom, drunkard, sugar one now)

plus some of the bonuses can be bugged, i had that on ruins of sumara.

hard mode may also ruin the suspense of disbelif or whatever, where u get absorbed into a game/movie/book or whatever.

there are easier nonmax titles to get, trailblazer, some pvp ones, lucky etc.

plus if hard mode requires uve already done mission, then itll half the population for that mission. perfect for the neardead missions where the stoyline splits.

No it is correct..have to do 25 missions 2 times each, one for Prot title and then again on hard for new title

Hey I have it now...why don't we just strip all the IWAY'ers Rank away from them...Easiest damn way to get rank in PvP (or at least WAS). See how many ppl that pisses off.

Take it back to the way it was. Let people have their titles...just because some think it was TOO EASY to get, they need to shut up because its not easy for everyone.

Perhaps make an elitist title for those that want to do it all in hard mode....hahahahaha and REALLY make it hard.

I read this thread yesterday, when the bug showed. I was kind of worried because I had only gotten the KoaBD a week and a half ago. Ack! But anyway, by the time I actually logged in, they “fixed” it.

One question: If you do Hard Mode for master’s completion on the 3 continents/58 missions, is that 3 more titles toward PKM? Or were my previous prot titles just grandfathered in as max? I guess no one knows yet.

Meanwhile, the other night in Kamadan Gaile said something like, “You asked about maxing sunspear and LB ranks, and also hard mode” yadda yadda “I can tell you they have something to do with one another.”

Which potentially means…

/speculation on

…grinding to a certain S/LB rank before even being able to activate hard mode?

/speculation off




And I hate to make this a title-bashing thread, but… Yes, prot and cartography are in a way the easiest ones to max. But at least you have to actually DO something to get them. I’m sorry to say, but no one sweats over the last 5 mins of a drunkard title, the way a mapper sweats over finding the last .5% of the map, believe me. Doing Grand Court mission over and over and missing by only 2 or 3 seconds a few times, is no fun. Don’t tell me my achievements aren’t kind of a big deal, because to me they were, I put a lot of my limited GW time and effort into them. I deserve my title as is.

Whew. I feel better now.

Except anyone without Nightfall (slim to none, right?) won't be able to do it in Tyria or Cantha.

wait... is hard mode on the way or is it not? is there any official confirmation?

does hard mode have perma death?

I cant wait for Hard Mode, it'll be fun doing the Ascalon missions with level 28 Charr (I hope :P).

Yes, it's on the way. Not only was there a description added in game, there was a bug introduced where it activated 'hard mode' in the protector title tracks.

I very, very, very, very much doubt it.

I'm surprised at the amount of people complaining in this thread. Most don't even seem to read other posts in the thread at all, or even the other thread discussing hard mode (which, by the way, has tons of good info).

I remember at least the other thread having mention of something that Hard mode is completely optional, it won't take away your previous achievements. I don't know if it means you'll still have max for KOABD or not without doing Hard Mode, but hey, titles are only titles and I think KOABD is something you should work hard for. Check out the other thread and actually WAIT for the change to happen before yelling that you don't want it. Who knows, it might actually be fun.

I for one am looking forward to the hard mode. If you don't like it, you don't need to do it.

i am looking forward to it as well...i have almost done everything i wanted to do on 3 of my main chars now....so adding a Hard mode would give something to actually do rather than be bored out of my mind.

I am just hoping that the drop rate for golds etc. increases in Hard Mode.

maybe they should add some Elite Missions to Tyria too :./

It will be interesting to see what changes hardcore mode brings to missions. New objectives perhaps, more difficult mobs (Can't wait Lich in Hell's Precipe ) or maybe unique zone conditions.

If mobs are higher level versions in for example ascalon missions, maybe we'll start to see gold tribal axes & tyrian sickles..

Raisu palace, lvl 30 Shiro'ken eles, OMG HAXXXXXXXX. I would love something like that. A good reason to get protector of elona and tyria too, work to do . I finished Raisu in 13 minutes last time I got a guildie through. I like PvE challenges that are actually fun instead of grinding through Urgoz' Warren with a PuG in 4-5 hours. You won't hear me complaining, IMPLEMENT ASAP

Hard mode Gate of Madness... I can't wait for the complaints.

Easiest? Standing getting drunk seems easier - just more boring - or even the new one eating - think that might be a tad bit easier too - just requires the gold.

At least with Protector people had to actually play the game and I have great respect for the 100% explored too. Finding that last 0.05% can be a real pain

I just hope they think Hard Mode through. The chances are whatever they implement will lead to cookie cutter builds. You'll have monks been forced to bring Protective Spirit to avoid insta-gib damage enemies... Minion Masters in every group to counter things like increased mob size... Professions having hard times to get groups because of moronic environment effects (50% Miss chance anyone?).

Tbh Perma Death does sound like a good idea but may be a bit extreme. It would put alot of stress on the monks and make choosing pugs even more tedious. But it would definatly give you a feeling of mastery. Specially after conquering the likes of Eternal Grove, Vizunah Square or Gate of Madness.

This thread cracks me up because we don't really know what A/net's plan is. You have the hard core people saying "if you don't want to have to redo everything in hard mode, you are just lazy and don't deserve KoaBD". And on the other side you have people saying "I deserve the title I earned and they shouldn't take them away you zealot". LOL - well I fell I should share my $.02 since this will affect me too whichever way they decide to go.

I for one am looking forward to finding out what hard mode is. I think it will be good to see it injected into the fray. I'll be the first to admit that with the hero system and new skills available, getting bonus in Tyria and Cantha is a bit easier now. Having an option to run in hard mode will make it that much better for experienced gamers. I don't, however, think that it should be added on to existing titles, especially ones that have been around for a long time.

Personally, I have protector titles here and there, but on my derv I have 4 maxed titles (Got Tyria protector last night) and 99.9% of my cartographer title for Cantha which I should finish tonight. I went after KoaBD title with her because I felt it was achievable given the amount of time I am able to give to this game outside my real life commitments. Now, after 300 hours or so with my derv, I shuold get it. Now, if A/net comes out and obliterates 3 of my max titles that I poured days of my life into thinking I was going to reach a personal goal, I will not be happy. (I know, I know...boo hoo for me)

Bottom line is for me life is about milestones, and in this game I made a goal and thought I reached it. To change the rules of the game will honestly put me off as a member of this community. Not saying A/net doesn't have the right, I signed the EULA and if this is what they think is best for the communtiy as a whole, fine, but as a husband, father, and work professional, it would disappoint me since I can only give so much time to this game. There are now three levels of the aggregate title and KoaBD is just the first. I think they should leave this as it is so that players like me feel they have a chance to reach one of them. Now, I know hard core gamer will probably disagree, and hell 10 years ago when my situation was different I may have too, but this is my reality and felt I needed to share it. For those that think KoaBD is too easy to get, then you go spend the gold and do the 50+ missions over again in hard mode to get people know me instead and leave KoaBD for us "lazy people" that feel 300 hours already invested in a goal should be enough. I personally hope that when they do add hard mode that it is a seperate title track for the existing campaigns, or they make it so that Protector counts once towards the aggregate track and getting the guardian counts twice. Hell, even if they grandfather the people already with the title I could live with that. I just think it is bad form to take something away that people achieved through legitimate means and effort.

In the end, this is probably not something that will push me away from the game, after all it is just a title and I still love this game. If they do nuke the protector title though, I will probably NEVER attempt to get another title so as not to be disppointed again.

/end rant (sorry for the length, my fingers just kept going...)

We'll have to fight 3 Shrio's at the same time with a constant -10 hp degen and falling debris.

I talked to my guildie today. He hadn't completed Protector Title for Nightfall before the update. He got the Protector title last night and it DOES count towards KoaBD. So, there's a sigh of relief!!!

I dunno, losing "Protector Of Tyria" on my warrior kinda bugged me, simply from an RP standpoint. I liked to think of my warrior as a man who protected all of tyria, saving the world. Am I a nerd? Yes.

We want to know whether or not a Protector Title will count as the maximum level of the respective Protector Title Track with regard to Kind Of A Big Deal. Not the Guardian Mission Track. The Protector Title Track.

There was a outcry amongst Protectors of Tyria/Cantha/Elona during the brief Valentine's Day Title 'bug' that appeared over not only unmaxed Titles, but maxed Titles.

This 'bug' was fixed within a few hours. Two things still worry me though:

1) Unmaxed Titles still carry this message. If the 'bug' was fixed, why weren't the unmaxed Title statements fixed? Was it a 'bug', or a vision of the future?

2) Why won't Anet give a clear reply on this matter and lay fears to rest? And I mean *clear*, not some marketspeak about not 'devaluing' current Titles. The evasion of the direct question with the word 'devalue', scares me, because it is an obvious evasion, but it also suggests that you know something...

Conclusion: Anet very likely going to unmax all the Protector Titles.

Action: If the community doesn't want this change, now is the time to make a fuss about it.

This should be our constant query, it's quite simple:

We want to know whether or not a Protector Title will count as the maximum level of the respective Protector Title Track with regard to Kind Of A Big Deal. Not the Guardian Mission Track. The Protector Title Track.

Please stop evading this question. If the Protector titles are not going to be counted as maxed with regard to Kind Of A Big Deal, many of us want to stop wasting time earning the Titles now, maybe even sell the game that keeps moving the finish line further away from the marathon runners, and get on with our new lives.

Once again, so it's real clear:

We want to know whether or not a Protector Title will count as the maximum level of the respective Protector Title Track with regard to Kind Of A Big Deal. Not the Guardian Mission Track. The Protector Title Track.

When is this sapose to come and the game? and how do u activate it? If it isent in by now its eathier an add on the chapt 4 or in the next "big update"...

On the Canthan new year i was able to ask gaille about this and all she told us that the "hard Mode" will be coming soon and it is no glitch......also she did not answer me if the titles that have been already maxed,have to be re-done

Yeah, of course Gaile didn't answer you. Because it's bad news.

These Titles can be bought with Ebay gold very easily, without needing to pay for a 'runner' to do missions or explore for you:

Drunken
Wisdom
Treasure Seeker
and, introducing, Sweet Tooth.

To think, they're introducing Skill Hunter Titles to make it easier to earn KOABD, but making the Mission Title harder? It makes no sense. It really requires no great 'skill' to cap a boss anywhere in the game - and the vast majority of the Elites capped will be of no use whatsoever to the character. Still, at 90,000 Gold for 90 Capture Signets, I guess we *could* add three more Skill Hunter Titles to the Ebay Gold category. That's 7 Titles based primarily on Gold.

Maybe Anet is going to start selling GW Gold?

But wait! Maybe Anet can take this opportunity and give us three more Guardian Titles in *addition* to the Protector Titles! That would actually put the focus back on skill and usefulness in teams.

At least the Mission Title Track means you could be useful to a PUG recruiting for a Mission.
It would make great sense to make the Guardian Titles separate Tracks. I'd love to try and earn them. It's adding more importance to Missions, which are supposedly the basis of the PvE experience. Indeed, it would be a good reason to not always be wearing KOABD - you could change the Title you were wearing for the situation as required: eg: Thunderhead Keep groups might prefer a Guardian of Tyria to a KOABD.

Do I want to *have* to earn them to get back what I had already? NO!

What better Valentine's Day present than to give us future vision of one of the few earned PvE Titles being taken away from us? And a reminder, that money can buy love!

Thanks Anet! PvE loves you right back.

PS: Can't wait to see what game I'll buy next - the fourth GW expansion, or maybe something ELSE.

dont start yet, wont you fell stupid if they fix it, or its a diff. title, lol

I'm seriously hoping to god that this is the way they go. I can't see how they can program Protector titles to still count as maxed, even when Gaurdian isn't maxed. Doesn't make much sense.

I'm having the same fears as you. I am not looking forward to doing three games over AGAIN (except harder) for a title I'm so close to earning (82% of Cantha!)

To people saying that PvE is easy and that we should truly earn the maxed titles...We already did earn them. They've been maxed for what, a year now? It would be a silly and not-so-nice change. And yes, change can be good, but not when it forces you to do something over again.

In conclusion: Having the Guardian title tracks as a seperate title track would be a good idea, but they're similar and it wouldn't make too much sense having them seperate.

I kinda hope they're separate too.