Protector Of X and Hard Mode ?

Oh, let me think for all of 2 seconds...

Perhaps a 3rd rank is in order then?

I dont mind the change... what I mind is that I can't start maxing it right now, this is messed up... just like the sunspear title now I can't max my protector titles AT ALL!

As of right now, hard mode hasnt even been added, or I am blind... If they are going to implement this change then they should at least have the title be able to maxed right away.

I must say I agree with everything Kakumei said.....only the lazy people are crazy about it lol...any ideas what hard modes could contain...I'm thinking of some heavy environmental effects or maybe reduced party size..or just higher level foes...I mean Hard Mode in the Great Northern Wall wth foes lvl 6 I don't think so...

I just hope that they change it back, because otherwise they'd be lying to us. That, or there is some *serious* discommunication going on here. No matter the reason, I'd be gone from this. Good game.

So there's a glitch. They did say there were changes coming to the Protector titles. My question is "What's the glitch and how are the changes going to look after they fix the glitch?" (I'll save my whining against the possible need for it after the glitch is resolved.) It's quite interesting that:

A. They made no mention of title track changes on their update page.

B. They didn't make any changes to the skill hunter title track, even though over 80% of the people polled over the past 3 or 4 months said they wanted it.

and

C. No mention of resolving the Sunspear title maxing issue.

P.S: There are "degrees of difficulty" when going for the protector titles. Getting the title with guildies is easier than doing it with henchies. Doing it with henchies is easier than doing it with PUGs. Doing it with PUGs is easier than doing it with PUGs and being a Mesmer, assasssin, or ritualist. (because it's so hard for these professions to get into PUGs - that's why)

I can see where you're coming from, but the way they handled it is just plain old fashioned bad customer relationship management. For someone to get one of the "protector" titles - sure, that can happen incidentally, and isn't that hard or rare. However, many players who worked hard towards capturing all three "protector" titles did so based on the assumption that completion would contribute to "kind of a big deal".

Given that it takes a time commitment (if not necessarily a skill commitment) to complete 65 missions, finding out that GW arbitrarily stripped that achievement away with an update is quite disappointing.

Not because of KOBD (I don't have it, and don't care if I ever do), but because it devalues the entire titles system. One arbitrary title means that all titles are arbitrary, and can have higher ranks or different requirements assigned at a whim.

And what should be scary for Arenanet is the line of thinking that such arbitrariness engenders. If player achievements can be stripped away on a designer's whim, then any illusion that we as players "own" anything in Guild Wars is exposed as a myth. We don't own our characters or their achievements any more than we own the physical memory SIMs in the GW servers.

And if we don't have any stake or claim to what our time investment has resulted in, then what's the point of playing?

Protector titles are all very easy to get but that doesn't mean they should be taken away or stop counting towards KOABD due to Hard Mode.

Having non-grind-based maxable titles (ie: unlike wisdom, treasure hunter etc.), and non-pixel-hunting-based maxable titles (ie:unlike cartographer) are the best thing since sliced bread.

They should add a ton of titles like that. Guardian is a great start and should each count towards an extra title to KOABD in addition to the Protector titles as they were.

If they are gonna take away any titles it should be the grind-based and pixel-hunting-based ones.

As did I, I also did most of the mapping as well. I'm not going to argue with you and you are indeed entitled to your opinion.

But remember not all players have and the titles are still something for new players to go for. Granted they are in retrospec easier titles. (try going for legendary survivor the legit way by far the oposite) But still to get all of them is an achievemnt.

I wouldn't call it "hard work". There's a reason I say they're the easiest titles to get--because they are.

Vastly less than other titles--and it gives you a full three points--this is what should be rectified.

They've always been arbitrary. Why are people acting like this is so new?

Of course we don't have any stake or claim over our characters or their belongings. We don't own them. It would be foolish for Anet to truly rub this fact in our collective face, but I really don't think bringing the difficulty of three titles up to the level of the others is really such an awful thing.

But this is all moot anyway. They're fixing it to please all of you who can't stand to deal with change.

I think you're overreacting by saying that I can't "deal with change". For example, my feet got wet in the snow a few minutes ago, and I now have brand new warm toasty socks on.

I was merely trying to illustrate why this might bother some people more than others, but thanks for your feedback!

Yeesh people, this isn't the French Revolution. Stop alluding to "change." It's a bug! Compare it to...smallpox instead.

My point, which you apparently missed entirely, was that if this were not a bug--if they truly intended to make Protector a multi-tier title.

LOL, or to "New Coke", President Gore, or Rocky 5. Although if Gore had become president, he wouldn't have made that nifty environmental movie...

If there is no titles at all! Would we even have this discussion today? I think not!

LOL, then I guess we're even, since you missed my point that I agree that the titles are easy to earn! It's more the message sent by changing them. Sheesh, try to calm down and enjoy your evening. It's just a game...

qft with one revision: its *far* easier to get into a pug with a rit than with the others, rits rival rangers for pug popularity... ;P

i think it would be wrong to make ppl lose their KOABD title if this was not a bug. This is how i look at it.

KOABD = University degree
5 titles to get KOABD = 5 units that u have to pass to get your degree
You get KOABD = You get your degree

Now..
Remove you KOABD because title has changed = Remove your status as a degree holder because your units have changed

How would you feel if you graduated with a degree only for the university to change the units you took and ask you to come back to do it all over again (harder this time) to get the same degree that you had?

You are still missing the point.

They changed a title that had been maxed previously without any real reason. Its akin to, say, adding another 5k chests to the Treasure Hunter title because they felt that 10k just wasn't enough. And the other comment about " the devs intending all along to make it multi-tier" is just as bad as George Lucas saying that his "edited and remastered" versions of Star Wars were his "original visions" for them.

You don't? I do :S People are lazy and like complaining. If I were then, I would actually more annoyed if: 1) they return KoaBD to the people that maxed these titles in their previous forms and 2) new people need to max it at the "hard" level to achieve the similar achievement. That would be unfair to old vs new players, and a legitimate reason to gripe.

As for the "it's unethical to change the rules of a game once it's started".... WHAT? Are you guys serious? Did you guys even read your terms of service? The same type of ToS that every MMO has. They can change whatever they want, and you agreed to it, and they're trying to improve the game and add more features, and put some challenge into it. And yeah, re: miscommunication, fully agree with The Ernada's comments earlier in this thread: some of you need to fully read before you comment, and if you are incapable of understanding what's going on with game changes, then just refrain from jumping to conclusions.

I see no problem with this. They might not have felt it was difficult enough to max the title. Just because it's implemented one way doesn't mean it has to stay that way forever--as stated, this is an online game. Things are going to change.