[Dev Update] Razah, Questing, & You

Corpselooter

Corpselooter

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands, Woerden

Glob of Ectospasm [GoE]

R/

Yay, now i can get Razah.

Now to get Factions.

jammerpa

jammerpa

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Sunny FLA

Omega Knights

N/Me

I have Razah on my SS.. taking Olias as MM, Razah as offensive spirit spammer and Zhed as Sandstorm ele, I'm a very proficient pve killing machine.

matt_heys

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2006

Unkown Age

Mo/Me

I think there are two camps here.

1) People who are upset that to get the only Rt hero in all three games requires either 80k in cash or between 8 and 20 hours farming/questing DoA (depending on luck, skill and drops). You certainly aren't wrong there.

2) People who liked to parade around with a less comon hero (me), or really really needed a Rt hero, who are now upset that the prestige of getting Razah will be deminished.

Many people say that getting Razah isn't hard just time consuming or expensive, but then buying a Ferrari isn't hard, it's just expensive. So I like to think of Razah as the Ferrari of my hero set, at least for another week and a half anyway when the rest of my charictars will get him.

To those that say he isn't hard to get, have you tried to do The Foundry of Failed Creations to get your Titan Gem? I can't really think of anything much harder PvE in the game! Especially with a PUG.

I'm not so bothered by this update now anyway, since I've read up a bit on Hard Mode and will be looking forward to getting Gaurdian of Tyria/Cantha/Elona on my monk which will then get me KoaBD :-) that last 2% of map has been killing me.

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by matt_heys
I think there are two camps here.

1) People who are upset that to get the only Rt hero in all three games requires either 80k in cash or between 8 and 20 hours farming/questing DoA (depending on luck, skill and drops). You certainly aren't wrong there.

2) People who liked to parade around with a less comon hero (me), or really really needed a Rt hero, who are now upset that the prestige of getting Razah will be deminished.

Many people say that getting Razah isn't hard just time consuming or expensive, but then buying a Ferrari isn't hard, it's just expensive. So I like to think of Razah as the Ferrari of my hero set, at least for another week and a half anyway when the rest of my charictars will get him.

To those that say he isn't hard to get, have you tried to do The Foundry of Failed Creations to get your Titan Gem? I can't really think of anything much harder PvE in the game! Especially with a PUG.

I'm not so bothered by this update now anyway, since I've read up a bit on Hard Mode and will be looking forward to getting Gaurdian of Tyria/Cantha/Elona on my monk which will then get me KoaBD :-) that last 2% of map has been killing me.
I say it's not hard because I farmed up enough cash in the past couple weeks to buy Razah twice over, and I'm not a heavy farmer.

Of course, I spent that money on armor and skills, but still.

Solar Light

Solar Light

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Teutonic Warriors {TW}

Mo/

Quote:
Post the build please because I'd love to see this. I've tried several variations of a restoration rit, but none are as good as a pure healing monk.

Mend Body and Soul
Spirit Light
Soothing Memorys/Ghostmirror light/Wielders Boon
Attuned Was Songkai/Mighty Was Vorizun
Vengeful Weapon/Weapon of Warding/Vital Weapon
Life/Preservation
Recuperation/Recovery
Desired Rez skill


pure heal monks might have a edge with Divine Favor, but, rits can do things they cant, like, recuperation, bit meh for cost and recharge, not mobile, but, its a AOE mending.

Recovery, at 12+ resto, it HALVES condition durations, AOE on party of course.

Sprit light is probably the best five energy heal thats not a elite skill
Songkai makes great emanagement, itreduces energy cost by nearly 30-40 # same with vorizun somewhat, but vorizun adds armor on top of energy poll boost. it adds armor

Life is your mobile spirit to fulfil conditional boosts for spells that require spirit, just keep in aggro bubble and your set, also typicly does a partywide heal party every 20 seconds.

with the spirit platforms, health sac from spirit light is gone, mend condition clears more condtions that recovery doesnt erase, with whatever ashpot ypu use soothing is more e-manage.

you can swap out one of the heal skills for wielders boon for heals on top of weapon spells, vital weapon has a good duration and its a spammable 130+ health cap to your party, and its not strippable.

its not just the pure healing, its the bonuses, kinda like protection monks.

the bonuses that rit healers give on top of the pure healing can EASLY be as good or better then the typical heal monk, but, you should think of things in terms of party synergy and area aswell.

rits can walk over any pve condtion heavy area and keep your alive party far better then a monk.

And, you, I, or someone else probably can find or make better variants with the skillpool.

And, Being a monk, im aquanited with the differences between the classes, and, every class has a edge in things that dont overlap with other classes, such as rits extra effects, or monks Divine Favor, and such.

davicams

davicams

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Guardians of the Catacombs [GoC]

R/

i really like being able to get him on my other chars

ohyo

ohyo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

getting Razah with the old quest wasn't that hard; I like having this hero for a nice mantle piece. Hope i get an Armbrace for that coffer for the real mantle piece.

darted

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Braveheart IV

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockby Quickfoot
Thank you very much to Gaile and the rest of the development team for finally solving this dilemma. As a Mesmer, I didn't think I 'd ever get the chance to get Razah.

And I said this before, but I'll say it again anyway, thanks for the Hard Mode that is coming too! All sounds very fun.
And this is why I am glad to see this update.

I don't want to buy everything. I have collector (Prophecies) armor on my ELE because I worked for it and like the way it looks. And it has the base stats that all inscribable ele armor does.

However, I am not a grinder and am a bit more than casual player but not much. I like playing all of the classes and I would not have much chance of getting Razah with a group thanks to the narrow minded and uninventive people that will not take anything but cookie cutter builds.

In fact, when I have a build they want I usually won't join their groups because they just really tick me off and are wanting to follow a pattern to 'win' - boring.

tru explorer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

This is good.

The previous set up was problematic:

- It required many live players (can take a lot of time to find a group even with an active guild)

- Was long to accomplish

- The only way (other than buying gems from others who have done the above) to get the Hero. Other items like Ugoz bow - have many of the same characteristics but are in many ways not as "unique" and character specific as a "hero".

Hard quests and missions are fine - to a point.
Long quests and missions are fine to a point.
Quests and missions that require live players are fine too - to a point.
Rare rewards for completion are fine as well.

However the fundemental flexibilty of a hero is different than a wepon reward and should not be the combination of all of the above. After all I can have a great weapon - maybe just not that "skin" from elsewhere - even assembling one from collectors and other pieces. Not quite the same for the hero.

I did the Factions Elite Missions a few times but they are inconvenient usually to my time..... I usually play in short bursts and I don't usually have a lot of patience to build a large goup of "real players", hate it when one or more real players leave (or get disconnected) especially in a long quest/mission. Fissure and Underworld as "elite - must be ascended areas" have many of the same issues.....

So this is good. Have quests like this sure - but separate them from getting "heros" - make the rewards for completion things like weapons or elite armor (no better functionally please)........

Somewhat in that regard it would be great if a character can reasonably/fairly close to be expected to achieve a goal within the quests and rewards. Vabbian armor seems a bit out of whack.... How many trade contracts can one character earn? How many are required to be exchanged for enough sapphires and rubies? Not sure about the math - but can a set of 4 characters (four being what one GW chapter comes with) earn enough trade contracts to buy one set of armor? - This isn't so bad though - there is other max armor of different style.

A really "cool" piece of armor elite armor could be a reward for completion of a really tough quest. Armor being customized for a player.......

cyberjanet

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisper Evenstar
I personally think its a good thing to have to work for some things. Instant gratification (although expected by so many of the younger generation) should not become the norm for everything.

On the other hand, I realize that if my main char was not an ele (or one of the other "acceptable" classes), it would prob be impossible to get in a PUG in DOA and get all the gems.
Well I hardly count as the "younger generation" and personally I think it's only the younger generation who are prepared to put up with impossible odds and unfriendly PUGs. Plus the younger generation generally don't have jobs to do or households to run and can put in the impossible number of hours required.

So I welcome a Razah quest that's a reward for finishing Nightfall, and not a reward for putting up with DoA. There are plenty of other rewards for putting up with DoA including a number of unique weapons, I believe.

Finishing Nightfall in itself is hardly instant gratification...

VinnyRidira

VinnyRidira

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Ridirian Guides

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Except Koss and Dunkoro are required for some missions, Razah is not.

They made 2 versions of the 6 primary professions and 1 version of the 4 campaign specific professions, I think it was a good idea.

It is a good thing to work for something, you should not simply be handed everything you want. I have no problem with them adding this, as I have said. I even think they handled it well by creating the other quest. I have a problem with people whining about it being too hard.
No they did not make 2 heroes for the core professions. There is just one mesmer and one that is added as a joke character. The poor down trodden mesmer who is hated by all necros.

Thank you ANet.

For those people who have the time to take the abuse and do DoA - well done.

Manic Smile

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Hawaii

----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Not sure what this "new philosophy for GW2" is, so I don't think I was...
The arguments are on the boards, I'm not going to rehash them when you can just go read them, or not...and if we're lucky perhaps it's just an over reaction by many of us.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Guild Wars was created for the casual gamer. The primaries are easy to complete playing casually, DoA, Razah, other elite missions, titles etc. are all secondary bonuses. It is easy to get on for 20min and have fun, Guild Wars is no longer anywhere near free of grind, though, it is everywhere (see below for examples). I have never been in a DoA group, it is MY CHOICE. It is a bonus area.
Fine...but Razah is NOT a bonus anything. WE HAVE NO OTHER RIT HERO. It is as simple as that. If he was still his multi job uber hero AND we had another Rit hero available; I'd have no problem but again this is a tired argument...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Do not call me an "elitist asshole" because I feel some things should be worked for.
uh no...feel how you want, don't post crap like this...

" It is easy to get 80k (or whatever it is now) if you work for it (and don't give me any $hi7 about how a casual player can't get 80k, you can if you commit to it, even with only 20min a day.). You really don't need him on all of your characters.

I'm fine with a change like this, but I hate to see it being changed because people were whining about it being too hard. I could see whining about DoA being hard, yeah it is a pain in the a$$. Yeah I could see people complaining about it being too hard to acquire the gems without buying them."

when:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Guild Wars was created for the casual gamer.
some people like to play with their free time...if we're gonna do something boring, long, semi-pointless it better well pay.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
How many times do I have to say it, he is hard to get because he was supposed to be a challenge. Not sure what "why arn't the Acoylate's really hard to get?" means....
Work vs Reward...he was also supposed to be a job wildcard...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Guild Wars has become full of Grind, DoA is nothing but grind, same with the other elite missions. Sunspear points, and Faction points are required grind (Sunspear isn't required for foreign chars anymore, though).
You're actually going to try to use this to support your point? Frankly all those things you just mentioned sucked and really didn't add anything of value to GW in and of themselves. They were requirements for things that were good...but really better methods chave been suggested, and could have been used.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Getting FoW armor and 15k armor sets has grind. Almost all of the titles require grind. So don't tell me it isn't "Grind Wars" because it is everywhere, there is just minimal grind through the primaries, Razah is not a primary.
How is Razah not a primary? Are you telling me that all classes are supposed have a Hero representation except the Rit? That this was intentionaly done by A.net and not just some oversight on their part? 15k armor is grind but not nessisary, there is simple 1.5k armor. Titles are for the most part useless in and of themselves...wheres my cheap Razah...are Rits useless? Now had Razah been as he was supposed to be...well that's another matter but moot.

ScottMana

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

Thank you! I have been having a problem with this with some of by chars have trouble with groups that don't think that char would be handy to have around.

Chris616263

Chris616263

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by VinnyRidira
No they did not make 2 heroes for the core professions. There is just one mesmer and one that is added as a joke character. The poor down trodden mesmer who is hated by all necros.

Thank you ANet.

For those people who have the time to take the abuse and do DoA - well done.
PLEASE, PLEASE Gaile, force ANet to make a smokin' hot mesmer hero in GW:EN. And by smokin' hot, I mean female. Norgu is just ugly....and kinda fat....and from afar, he reminds me of the guy that got his arm chopped off in 300.

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris616263
PLEASE, PLEASE Gaile, force ANet to make a smokin' hot mesmer hero in GW:EN. And by smokin' hot, I mean female. Norgu is just ugly....and kinda fat....and from afar, he reminds me of the guy that got his arm chopped off in 300.
Oddly enough, there are a number of threads about a certain female in GW:EN who resembles a Mesmer........

cyberjanet

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tickle
I totally agree with the 1st part to this, earning something makes a person grow and yet ANet in their infinite wisdom have decided its a game for spoilt brats so why not give them it on a silver platter, I'm sorry Gaile but I really think ANet are maybe just handfeeding the players that QQ about everything, maybe if I QQ that I dont have enough ecto's you'll make a free UW & FoW month as opposed to a weekend?
You're the one who sounds like a spoilt brat. Please remember that you actually have to finish Nightfall before you're even eligible for the quest for Razah. How does that make giving it to people on a silver platter?

I don't think people who have Razah now are uber cool. I think they are kids with too much time on their hands.

Get a job. Get a life. Then you'll understand.

Personette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

I still say teenage Gwen is wearing a monk outfit.

It's loosely draped like a monk outfit, not sharply tailored like mesmer armor; it's got the vest-with-camisole combo that every monk outfit has; it has the pants-with-skirt combo that almost every monk outfit has.

On the mesmer side, it's green and she's got tall boots.

But Gwen had monk spells and admired mesmer outfits. I think she just has a monk outfit, that's been mesmerized a little. Or maybe she's an Mo/Me.

byggryn10

byggryn10

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

N/

Nicely done!!

Thom The Brawler

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

W/Mo

Is Keeper Shafoss actually available yet? I can't find him.

Superdarth

Superdarth

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Good move i say!

Vonturn Runesworth

Vonturn Runesworth

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

D/Mo

Hmm weirdly enough, I still get Finding A Purpose from Phyra... Anyone? I haven't paid the gemstones but have talked to the Keeper before.

Zeph

Zeph

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Wales, UK

Expect Extreme Violence [EEV]

Is this update out yet? If not then do we have any idea when it will be?

What with Anet annoucing this, hard mode, storage upgrades and a different event everyweek, I have lost track on what has actually been released.

trobinson97

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

Yeah the plans are being announced but I haven't seen any announcements of when these things will actually be implemented. All you get is "a few weeks" or "soon".

Vonturn Runesworth

Vonturn Runesworth

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

D/Mo

A-Net timeline :

A few weeks : A month
Soon : Duke Nukem goes Gold.

Akshara

Akshara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Just got Razah... thank you Anet!

Dmitry

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Runner Academy

W/Mo

i came home drunk, played gw for the first time in 3 months or so, woke up in the morning loged in and realised i got rahzah, cant even remember what the quest was about

Realm of Fiery Doom

Realm of Fiery Doom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Realm of Fiery Doom

Thy heart is true and thy update is worthy of my commendation, dear Gaile. Thy honourable deed shalt be remembered by all.