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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher
Why can't we just leave A-Net alone and let them do what they must for GW2?
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Best post in this entire thread.
Ok, I no longer loathe GW2 now.
I MP I
Best post in this entire thread.
Frostlight
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It's worth the wait, everyone. Definitely. I'm bursting at the seams holding everything in waiting for a subscriber to post. I'm itching to see the discussions that erupt afterwards.
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Agyar
I don't see why it's necessary to put this kind of thing in at all, let alone start crying about it when it doesn't transfer your FoW armour or whatever the hell you want.
GW2 will be a new game; why are people so adamanent about demanding their worldly goods from GW1 be available for them? If those goods are the only thing that drives your desire to play, then maybe you need to rethink what you're doing with your free time.
Play the game for fun, not for acquisitions. I think it scares some people in this thread to think that GW2 sounds the horn that makes everything they've farmed over the last 2 years worthless upon release. Heaven forbid they have to start playing a new game on the same footing as everyone else.
GW2 will be a new game; why are people so adamanent about demanding their worldly goods from GW1 be available for them? If those goods are the only thing that drives your desire to play, then maybe you need to rethink what you're doing with your free time.
Play the game for fun, not for acquisitions. I think it scares some people in this thread to think that GW2 sounds the horn that makes everything they've farmed over the last 2 years worthless upon release. Heaven forbid they have to start playing a new game on the same footing as everyone else.
Lyonette
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I'm actually extreamily curious what ANet has planned for this thing. Will it be a "one time" switch from GW1 to GW2? Or is it constantly updated, while you continue to play GW1?
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clawofcrimson
good post frostlight... the devs are 'wanting' us to discuss this... anet is a company that has their fingers on the pulse of the community, and I'm sure some of the threads may have an impact o them.
so for those who make posts like "just leave a-net alone" ...thats not what they want... they are wanting the feedback. And being that the beta is only a little over a year away... and GW:EN even closer... now is the time to bring up the issues that players care about.
so for those who make posts like "just leave a-net alone" ...thats not what they want... they are wanting the feedback. And being that the beta is only a little over a year away... and GW:EN even closer... now is the time to bring up the issues that players care about.
Croix_Raul
Well for me and some of my friends GW:EN may well be the official end point.As for GW2 holding a wait and see stance if nothing much is change i guess we will very much move to WoW or something new after all we are starting back from scratch may as well try something new...
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That's exactly how it reads to me too.
All these people that are thinking "Yay, I'm going to keep my FOW/minipet/titles!" had better get ready for a disapointment. OK maybe, just maybe, it will turn out that we will unlock replica FOW for our GW2 toons, but I'd bet a Superior Vigor rune that anything we unlock will be cosmetic only. |
Well, i don't have fow, and i don't want it either, but i can understand that some people want to keep it
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Originally Posted by Frostlight
Or, they could do a transfer like what other RPGs have done: make the story fit, strip all items from the transferred characters, and make all new and imported characters start at the same level.
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So I'm sorry, but if my choice is between letting Anet decide how they will remake my character with the same name, or letting me remake my own character with the same name....
I'm sure I'd prefer the latter.
Spartan117
(as long as there is no monthly fee) im just gonna enjoy the game as it comes.
Frostlight
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If you take away everything from your character, all that's left is the Name. And you can keep that.
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With a bit more imagination I'm sure you can think of something besides the two trivial and extreme examples of transferring either everything, or nothing.
Say, for the sake of argument:
Story: Instead of hundreds of years later, make it within the lifetime of the current characters. Or, use any number of plot devices to explain it - after all, the characters are ascended, close to the stars, defeated a god and whatnot. Certainly Anet think it's fine to have convenient cataclysms and earthquakes repeatedly in order to create landscapes and campaigns.
Items: You can transfer over stuff that do not give undue advantages compared to other new characters. Or, you cannot access them until you've reached a certain stage. e.g. the oft-used method of having imported characters having their stuff stolen at the beginning of the new campaign, which can be recovered later in the game.
Titles: These certainly don't hurt anyone if your imported characters can keep them. Still, if that's a burning issue, you can make them purely legacy and cosmetic, so that they do not give any advantages and cannot be advanced in the new campaign.
Class: If the new campaign uses a classless system, this is a non-issue. If not, you can say give them a one-time primary profession change. Don't see how that would hurt anyone or be unrealistic.
Levels: Have everyone start out at 20. Or have some game event in the plot to reset them to zero.
And so on.
lacasner
To me, name=cosmetical thing. A persons name can be a number (like 3054) instead of letters, and the outcome in gameplay can still be the same.
To me, armor and weapon skins=cosmetics. A skin can be a just a template for looks, same as a name. I don't see a reason why Anet wouldn't allow this but would allow names.
To me, armor and weapon skins=cosmetics. A skin can be a just a template for looks, same as a name. I don't see a reason why Anet wouldn't allow this but would allow names.
Thallandor
I laugh at those who stop QQing because they think they can transfer their FoW armours to their new toons in GW2.
Who knows maybe they cry more, we might even see the day that Anet finally give in and let them transfer their entire toons over to GW2.
We still got 2 years, that means alot of QQing posts and threads until then. Personally i am sick of the PvE vs PvP debate in GW1 and if its going to be the same BS again in GW2, then it can go ahead and launch itself into the depth of space for all i care.
Who knows maybe they cry more, we might even see the day that Anet finally give in and let them transfer their entire toons over to GW2.
We still got 2 years, that means alot of QQing posts and threads until then. Personally i am sick of the PvE vs PvP debate in GW1 and if its going to be the same BS again in GW2, then it can go ahead and launch itself into the depth of space for all i care.
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Well for me and some of my friends GW:EN may well be the official end point.As for GW2 holding a wait and see stance if nothing much is change i guess we will very much move to WoW or something new after all we are starting back from scratch may as well try something new...
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I'll be following up on what goes down, but looks like i may buy GW:EN a bit late and stop there (given that i feel like blowing the money at the time) otherwise "meh"
Firestone
i don't understand why anet refuses to let charc port over to GW2. IMO, this is the biggest block that PVE charcs are hesitating in getting a confirmation buy in GW2.
Meh, according to the story, its only 100 years.
Shiro even managed to come back to life after 200 years.
What i think should be, is for the dev. to make a side quest that allow players to port their old charcs from GW1. At least give people an option whether they wanna port their old charcs
Meh, according to the story, its only 100 years.
Shiro even managed to come back to life after 200 years.
What i think should be, is for the dev. to make a side quest that allow players to port their old charcs from GW1. At least give people an option whether they wanna port their old charcs
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i don't understand why anet refuses to let charc port over to GW2. IMO, this is the biggest block that PVE charcs are hesitating in getting a confirmation buy in GW2.
Meh, according to the story, its only 100 years. Shiro even managed to come back to life after 200 years. What i think should be, is for the dev. to make a side quest that allow players to port their old charcs from GW1. At least give people an option whether they wanna port their old charcs |
Well for my case i would want to port over my stuff, it a chip on the balance scales of Themis. Since we will be starting from scratch might want to try something new like WoW but still holding a wait and see stance
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started my free trial on WoW 2 days ago... im not all that disappointed
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Zaganher Deathbane
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Well for me and some of my friends GW:EN may well be the official end point.As for GW2 holding a wait and see stance if nothing much is change i guess we will very much move to WoW or something new after all we are starting back from scratch may as well try something new...
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GW 2 would be an entirely new game. Carry over of titles and or weapons doesn't matter IMO. Trying to play another game? Why don't you try GW 2. For me, Anet listening to players' wants is what Anet separates it from other games. So they have my trust on this one
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GW 2 is a new game. Would that qualify for "something new" that you would like to try about?
GW 2 would be an entirely new game. Carry over of titles and or weapons doesn't matter IMO. Trying to play another game? Why don't you try GW 2. For me, Anet listening to players' wants is what Anet separates it from other games. So they have my trust on this one |
As for Carry over of titles and or weapon doesn't matter i don't quite agree as i have spend a lot of time amassing wealth and item and titles in my spare time and been bankrupt all over again would make anyone sore.
As much as Anet concern i would like it to do well but i have my own reality if there a problem i can't go around telling others there none right.
Do you know what does it mean to be a opposition, we are flame bait for start and the rest goes without saying.
Like i said before i am holding a wait and see stance and hope Anet delivers it
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he he Ya burning crusade rather tempting at this point of time
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Croix_Raul
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Come beta LOTRO with me lol. Founders $USD 199 Lifetime membership FTW.
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Anyway Anyone interested in reading up on gaming history can start with the linky below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari
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Like i said before i am holding a wait and see stance and hope Anet delivers it
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Lonesamurai
Another thing people aren't taking into account with character transfer is continueing to play GW1... Now someone said to me last night,"why would I want to carry on?", and my answer, "Why Not?"
besides, not everyone is gonna jump onto GW2 straight away and I'm hoping the guild system will carry over so that there is guild interaction between the two games... and if you carry on with GW1 characters, you can add more to your Hall of Monuments
besides, not everyone is gonna jump onto GW2 straight away and I'm hoping the guild system will carry over so that there is guild interaction between the two games... and if you carry on with GW1 characters, you can add more to your Hall of Monuments
Marth Reynolds
It's all up to anet how theyre gonna implement it.
They might even allow us to use some armour/items from our old chars but they can also limit that number.
I'm more curious to the transfering of character slots my self.
would be fun having 9 names preserved for your acount and only being able to make 4
They might even allow us to use some armour/items from our old chars but they can also limit that number.
I'm more curious to the transfering of character slots my self.
would be fun having 9 names preserved for your acount and only being able to make 4
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I'm more curious to the transfering of character slots my self.
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I'm more curious to the transfering of character slots my self.
would be fun having 9 names preserved for your acount and only being able to make 4 |
I'm still thinking about level cap = multiple characters (at least large numbers) less viable = who is going to inherit the stuff from my additional characters?
But good point: How will character slots and stuff be handled anyhow?
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It's all up to anet how theyre gonna implement it.
They might even allow us to use some armour/items from our old chars but they can also limit that number. I'm more curious to the transfering of character slots my self. would be fun having 9 names preserved for your acount and only being able to make 4 |
as those who own all 3 chapter would have like 8 slot at least if we are gave only 4 slot at guildwar 2 it might spark backlash from guildwar supporters after all they are the ones paid addition dollars to support guildwar
Knightsaber Sith
Well I could maybe (though probably not) see transferring unused character slots, but if you're already using that character slot for GW1- I don't see how you could demand another one for free in the next game.
Croix_Raul
The point being your given 9 credits but only 4 Credit can be used, rules and condition applies laugh.
Don't you find it rather pointless having to preserve all your character and titles and not been able to use all of them.
Anyway its still too early to discuss this but these are the little little thing that adds up.
Don't you find it rather pointless having to preserve all your character and titles and not been able to use all of them.
Anyway its still too early to discuss this but these are the little little thing that adds up.
Knightsaber Sith
You don't have to make a new character to correspond to all your old ones. Especially since it seems GW2 will have less classes.
I bought the Prophecies CE, I highly doubt divine aura will be carrying over. I bought the GOTY edition, no way are those bonus weapons going to carry over.
I bought the Prophecies CE, I highly doubt divine aura will be carrying over. I bought the GOTY edition, no way are those bonus weapons going to carry over.
Croix_Raul
Well i wouldn't know that since everything is Sketchy at best and not surprise if there will be anything changes last minute.
Since Anet can't promise anything right now nor they will make any since it will be far worst if they promise and can't deliver.
In Due time the same queries will return this is just a heads up for Anet to see nothing more
Since Anet can't promise anything right now nor they will make any since it will be far worst if they promise and can't deliver.
In Due time the same queries will return this is just a heads up for Anet to see nothing more
matt_longbow
it would be cool if we could transfer over but just don't seem really possible at the moment, guess we will all just have to wait and see what anet does.
Emi Noree
My question to all of you is "why would you even want to transfer your characters over"? I mean honestly I think the most fun I ever had playing guild wars was that first week or so, when everyone was playing at about the same pace and we were all making newb mistakes, like charging into battle against the charr out at the flame temple corridor. Making this uneven playing field to make the vets somehow an "elite" class of player not only alienates new players who feel there aren't many people to play with, but just kind of harbors the exact sentiment that ANet wanted to avoid with the first GW. Remember? "Skill is what matters, not hours played"? How are you going to keep that sort of dogma when you have the vets looking down on the newbs instead of helping them out?
With the transfers in the Hall of Monuments, do you guys really think they're going to just give your uber armor to a freshly rolled character? do you even want that? I don't know what ANet is going to do any better than any of you guys, but I can tell you this: chances are likely that anything that our GW2 characters get will be either random cool junk (like the divine aura or the extra dances) or something in the vein of the pre-order bonuses we've already seen in the past (special weapons).
The only thing I can think of transferring over is titles and names, and even that will likely be changed. Since it does take place 100 years later, I'd think that having a bunch of titles would give your new character an "Honorary Title", so to speak, like "Legendary Family" or the like.
If you guys seriously think ANet will give you something more than a cosmetic change, something more than bragging rights to say "Hey, I've been around a long time and have random cool stuff to prove it", something that would keep the playing field from being level before we even get out of the gate...you're out of your minds.
With the transfers in the Hall of Monuments, do you guys really think they're going to just give your uber armor to a freshly rolled character? do you even want that? I don't know what ANet is going to do any better than any of you guys, but I can tell you this: chances are likely that anything that our GW2 characters get will be either random cool junk (like the divine aura or the extra dances) or something in the vein of the pre-order bonuses we've already seen in the past (special weapons).
The only thing I can think of transferring over is titles and names, and even that will likely be changed. Since it does take place 100 years later, I'd think that having a bunch of titles would give your new character an "Honorary Title", so to speak, like "Legendary Family" or the like.
If you guys seriously think ANet will give you something more than a cosmetic change, something more than bragging rights to say "Hey, I've been around a long time and have random cool stuff to prove it", something that would keep the playing field from being level before we even get out of the gate...you're out of your minds.
VectorGrey
You're still going to be able to use your FoW armor on your GW1 character.
For the person who said that if achievements do not transfer directly, then GW2 is a waste of money, I have this question:
How did you ever end up in Guild Wars in the first place. Since your Super Pong achievements didn't transfer to your Atari 2600, shouldn't you still be playing Pong?
For the person who said that if achievements do not transfer directly, then GW2 is a waste of money, I have this question:
How did you ever end up in Guild Wars in the first place. Since your Super Pong achievements didn't transfer to your Atari 2600, shouldn't you still be playing Pong?
Loviatar
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even if that 2 million gold FOW armor comes across it will be level 20 stat armor in a level 100 (or higher)stat world.
it will make nice STARTER armor but there is no way Anet will boost that armors stats a single point.
same for that million gold shield/weapon/etc.
nice looking starter axe you have but here is a better stat axe i just picked up you can have for free
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it will make nice STARTER armor but there is no way Anet will boost that armors stats a single point.
same for that million gold shield/weapon/etc.
nice looking starter axe you have but here is a better stat axe i just picked up you can have for free
clawofcrimson
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Croix_Raul
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My question to all of you is "why would you even want to transfer your characters over"? .
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I mean honestly I think the most fun I ever had playing guild wars was that first week or so, when everyone was playing at about the same pace and we were all making newb mistakes, like charging into battle against the charr out at the flame temple corridor. Making this uneven playing field to make the vets somehow an "elite" class of player not only alienates new players who feel there aren't many people to play with, but just kind of harbors the exact sentiment that ANet wanted to avoid with the first GW. Remember? "Skill is what matters, not hours played"? How are you going to keep that sort of dogma when you have the vets looking down on the newbs instead of helping them out?
With the transfers in the Hall of Monuments, do you guys really think they're going to just give your uber armor to a freshly rolled character? do you even want that? I don't know what ANet is going to do any better than any of you guys, but I can tell you this: chances are likely that anything that our GW2 characters get will be either random cool junk (like the divine aura or the extra dances) or something in the vein of the pre-order bonuses we've already seen in the past (special weapons). The only thing I can think of transferring over is titles and names, and even that will likely be changed. Since it does take place 100 years later, I'd think that having a bunch of titles would give your new character an "Honorary Title", so to speak, like "Legendary Family" or the like. If you guys seriously think ANet will give you something more than a cosmetic change, something more than bragging rights to say "Hey, I've been around a long time and have random cool stuff to prove it", something that would keep the playing field from being level before we even get out of the gate...you're out of your minds . |
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You're still going to be able to use your FoW armor on your GW1 character.
For the person who said that if achievements do not transfer directly, then GW2 is a waste of money, I have this question: How did you ever end up in Guild Wars in the first place. Since your Super Pong achievements didn't transfer to your Atari 2600, shouldn't you still be playing Pong? |
Mordakai
Frostlight:
I guess I just don't see where you're coming from... what exactly do you want to transfer over? Your character will NOT look the same no matter what... the new Graphic engine will change your character's appearence.
Look, I appreciate Role-playing. I've played my fair share of role-playing games. So, I understand the desire to continue to play the exact same character forever...
BUT, what makes your character special? The few choices you picked for a physical representation? The Profession and skills you have? The items you carry?
No, these are just Pixels, nothing more.
There is obviously something more, something that exists beyond the pixels, for you to care so much about this character.
And that's something you should be able to carry over to Guild Wars 2.
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I wanted to add a little something about my opinion of true role-playing games, and computer RPGs.
IMO, most so-called computer RPGs are nothing more than pretty looking stat machines. There's virtually no "role-playing" at all, Missions are usually linear, with no real choices (or choices that branch into 2 different endings, or worse, the same ending!). Quests are "kill [a number] of [a creature]" or "take item X to person A". I guess this is one reason I prefer Prophecy over all the other games, you could run to almost any area of the game (except the Fire Isles, and the Desert). You were free to explore, do missions in different order, etc.
I hope people complaining about their characters worry less about whether a particular set of pixels are translated into a new form, and care more about the actual role-playing experiences Guild Wars 2 will (hopefully) provide.
I guess I just don't see where you're coming from... what exactly do you want to transfer over? Your character will NOT look the same no matter what... the new Graphic engine will change your character's appearence.
Look, I appreciate Role-playing. I've played my fair share of role-playing games. So, I understand the desire to continue to play the exact same character forever...
BUT, what makes your character special? The few choices you picked for a physical representation? The Profession and skills you have? The items you carry?
No, these are just Pixels, nothing more.
There is obviously something more, something that exists beyond the pixels, for you to care so much about this character.
And that's something you should be able to carry over to Guild Wars 2.
EDIT:
I wanted to add a little something about my opinion of true role-playing games, and computer RPGs.
IMO, most so-called computer RPGs are nothing more than pretty looking stat machines. There's virtually no "role-playing" at all, Missions are usually linear, with no real choices (or choices that branch into 2 different endings, or worse, the same ending!). Quests are "kill [a number] of [a creature]" or "take item X to person A". I guess this is one reason I prefer Prophecy over all the other games, you could run to almost any area of the game (except the Fire Isles, and the Desert). You were free to explore, do missions in different order, etc.
I hope people complaining about their characters worry less about whether a particular set of pixels are translated into a new form, and care more about the actual role-playing experiences Guild Wars 2 will (hopefully) provide.
Croix_Raul
Let me put it this way the announcement of of Guildwar 2 have put my friend and guild mate in situation where everyone are are now free to choose any game without string of previous thing like wealth, items and other worldly things that still binds us to guildwar.
Even the guild itself wondering will we continue with guildwar 2 or disbandment and seek other guild oppose to reform quit etc opinion differ but with Guildwar 2 content as one of the deciding factor.
Not to mention a possible 1 yr void waiting process.And Yes because Anet previous mention their previous Game title eg chapter 1-3 that it will be cross transferable true to some point but not quite what we expected with
guildwar 2
(Not point finger here only trying to state that this is another key deciding factor)
I will not be surprise at majority decision of my friend is blowing money at GW :EN for being a closure to the game.
It have been fun but i guess asking for forever is too much.
Even the guild itself wondering will we continue with guildwar 2 or disbandment and seek other guild oppose to reform quit etc opinion differ but with Guildwar 2 content as one of the deciding factor.
Not to mention a possible 1 yr void waiting process.And Yes because Anet previous mention their previous Game title eg chapter 1-3 that it will be cross transferable true to some point but not quite what we expected with
guildwar 2
(Not point finger here only trying to state that this is another key deciding factor)
I will not be surprise at majority decision of my friend is blowing money at GW :EN for being a closure to the game.
It have been fun but i guess asking for forever is too much.
SotiCoto
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Reason being effort spend only to see it down the drain. The feeling is like kind of owning a car you customized it you brave bad weather and finally tune it till it top of the line only to see that it can no longer be driven and just waiting for time.
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Everything we do in life is merely preparation for death.
Croix_Raul
Ha Ha in a way yes i guess death is something i would fear