Ok, I no longer loathe GW2 now.

one theme running through all these threads

if i cant transfer my top stat character with all my uber expensive items that

i worked so hard for.....
i earned all this stuff......
i wasted all this time........
i wasted all this work....

translation

i am a big, rich, powerful, important frog in a small pond called GW1

in GW2 i will be a small, poor, weak, im-potent frog in a new big lake

if i cant start out at the top as an elite character i quit

There's no way to determine anything at this point. Maybe they'll let FoW armor come over, and they'll update the sets to the highest AR rating.

I'm saying this to prove a point. I'm not sounding hopeful. I don't want them to do that, a fresh start is best. But we don't know what ANet will decide to do.

one general thing i can make a flat statement on is this.

they are not going to create a new game (which they said this is) with a prepositioned elite class of players.

so whatever comes over will be nice but not really impact all those new players they are hoping for.

speculation i admit but the very rich affected the most are only a tiny section of the existing player base and nothing compared to what they will be hoping for

For me personally? The story for the most part, the rest (titles, appearance etc.) being there for support and gives a sense of continuity - it would be silly to say your character did continue the adventure except he now looks totally different and has nothing to show that he was from the previous campaign, cosmetic or otherwise.

I would leave the feasibility of transferring appearance to the developer itself. But I think a reasonable effort can be made. Nevermind the player's character - major NPCs have often evolved in looks as technology advances. Lord British is still Lord British throughout the entire Ultima series.

Lest I give an impression that I'm gravely concerned over this, I'm actually not. My main point is disagreeing with the blanket dismissals of character transfer as a valid concept. My stance is similar to Croix Raul's - GWEN would be a nice finish to the series, and there's nothing that compells me to continue onto GW2 based on the current information. If GW2 did turn out to be great by itself, I might still get it - but it would be as a new game, not as a sequel.

A similar situation would be, if Factions and Nightfall did not have the ability to link accounts with Prophecies, meaning you have to create new characters to play those campaigns, I and I believe quite a few other people would have much less incentive to buy them.

Anyway i think you got the last part wrong its looking for greener pasture and your language is so what Offensive i wonder if admin is looking

Life is short, i guess i will be going out to smell the roses from now on

Good point. Which is probably why Anet decided not to allow characters to transfer even though they'd look different, have different items, and really not be the same character. Instead we have sucessors to our heroes, which will continue in the spirit of their ancestors, and perhaps with some "inheritances" as well. (More info to come on this aspect).

Well, it's easy to retranslate NPCs. You just need to redo "x" amount of models.

Remember, there are millions of Guild Wars characters - several for each player. That's a monumental undertaking, and one that would require substantial resources. Of course, it could be done, but why? What's wrong with the present idea of inheritances?

Well, that's a relief!

I suspect many will do the same. GW2 obviously needs to earn it's own way. It can't rely on previous users to succeed.

Hmm, I don't think that's a fair comparison at all.

No one is advertising Guild Wars 2 as the next "Chapter" of Guild Wars, like Factions or Nightfall.

Guild Wars 2 is a pure sequal. It will be related to the original, like say the movie Aliens is related to Alien. But, they are totally different movies, and you don't need to see both to appreciate one or the other.

So, we'll see what Guild Wars 2 has to offer. It has to stand on it's own.


Now, I redirect everyone to this thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10138564

which has new info on inheritances:

So, yeah, looks like veteran players will get an advantage, if this is true.


I'll be smelling the Red Iris, with Gwen.

Hmmmm....

I think the sniffing those flowers GIVE you a red iris if you get what I mean.

That's the truth right there! Gwen is a junkie!!!

In a lot of cases (books, rpgs, movies), we may miss the original characters, but the story and premise are strong enough to hook the audience for the sequels. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be the case for GW2 (IMHO of course).

It's not like they have to transfer a million characters one by one. Each character is basically 2 index numbers pointing to a set of faces and hairstyles, plus 3 variables indicating height, hair and skin colors. They just have to adapt the existing faces and hairstyles to the new engine, and make sure that the mapping is correct after character transfer.

Actually, I think that a strong title can and does make up for weaker sequels that would not have stood well on their own (or give an additional boost to decent sequels). Alien 3 and 4 are pretty good examples that benefit from the franchise established by 1 and 2.

So, what I was trying to say with the Factions/Nightfall example was that, if I couldn't carry my Prophecies characters over for those games, I very well might not have bothered. Basically, each title would be freshly evaluated as to whether it's the best way to spend my time, without any special need/desire for the development or closure of the series. Character is of course not the only thing that binds a series together, but for GW it is for me (see my other point above).

First of all, knowing ANet as well as we don't, everything speculated here is likely wrong. That being said...

I'd speculate that the "take them out and use them" and "unlock" is not referring to a direct transfer, but more allowing a copy through. In other words, the original item stays in GW1, but a copy of (in my case) a Fiery Platinum Longbow of Fortitude (req 8, 15^50) would also be available for the character that is linked to the character in GW1 that created the monument with the bow tied to it.

Transferring an item implies it goes away in the original game. Unlocking the item in GW2 implies that the original stays put and a copy is made in GW2.

can you keep you GW1 characters? maybe they should put a GW1 tab and a GW2 tab so you can play both in one account and keep your beloved characters

Of course you can keep them, not like they'd up and disappear when GW2 went live..

I can see your point somewhat. Nothing compels me to buy GW2. But if they kept releasing new GW content I'd keep buying it. So why would I not buy GW2 if it's as good as GW except better? I don't mind starting over at a low level in a new game. I started an assassin and rit at 1st level in Factions and a paragon at 1st level when NF came out. No problem.

Going through the game is what it's about for me. One thing I'd like to see in GW2 is a much greater ability to customize each character's appearance so that they can each really look unique. And one of my concerns about GW2 is that the much higher level cap will promote players sticking to one character in order to maximize one's level. That might take away some of the fun in GW with playing multiple characters. But as long as they have good content and don't significantly change the game mechanics in a negative way, I'm on board for GW2.

For someone not "gravely concerned", you sure sound like you are!

(j/k I know what you're saying)

To be clear, I thought you decided that looks alone would not be enough. You wanted items and basic professions to transfer over as well, correct? I was including that in my analysis (sorry I wan't clearer).


Hmm, piece-of-crap Alien 4 benefits from Alien; yet Guild Wars 2 does not benefit at all from Guild Wars. Not sure where you're going with that analogy, sorry.


You missed my main point. Anet specifically sold Factions and Nightfall as both stand-alone AND direct links to each other. That's how they were advertised, so if they didn't link, that would be, well, bad.

The premise of "what if" they didn't link goes against the whole financial plan of Guild Wars. So, no, if they did that I doubt Guild Wars would have survived.

But, now they have a nice base of players, and good press, they can afford to stop making Chapters for Guild Wars, and focus on Guild Wars 2, which will also have some sort of expansions that will link. In that way, it's not changing.

It sounds like you want your cake and for it to be nutritious, too. You want all the carry-over from Guild Wars (weapons, armor, skills, professions, looks, etc); but you want all the new benefits of Guild Wars 2: New graphics, new mechanics, new items.

As far as we know, the two are not totally compatible. Now, it looks like we might be able to bring some items along after all. Does that change your opinon at all?

sigh, this is ridiculous. why are they even bothering at making a new game?! this is what i hear from this

its a brand new game!! but u can bring over all of the items that u slaved over from the first game! so....its not such a brand new game, just another EXPANSION. i see no reason for making this new game, why not just have a uber time portal that takes u to the future in: Guild Wars: Another lame expansion that uses the same formula as all the other games that has this really cool time portal that will take u to the future so u can save everybody in the same old fashion way!!! yay!! and u can also climb walls 0_o

ALSO, i dont want to see on launch day all of the uber players from the land before time with their FoW armor and perfect weapons. I mean, take this into consideration. all armor (and some weapons) are CUSTOMIZED for your character. shall i define the word customized for you guys?
this is the dictionary definition of the word, customized: to modify or build according to individual or personal specifications or preference

i will put it in my own words now: the lump on your shoulder that you got when that kid hit you with a pole, that happens to stick out 3 inches from your body, yea, your armor was customized so that it gently wrapped itself around that so it didn't cause you pain as you were whacking people with your sword. oh yea, and dont forget the time that undead from kryta cut off your toe. your boot happens to have a steel toe where yours should be.

heres another personal definition of the word customized. it comes from what i like to call, my common sense: if other players cannot where your armor, then for what crazy reason would you think that your great-great-great-great grandson/granddaughter could wear it also?!

cmon guys! gw2 doesnt come out for at least another 2 years! your treating your pixled weapons and armor like they were your own kids! once you get over the fact that your precious pixles are not going to live to see the new game, and you turn your common sense switch back on, you will realize that if you are able to transfer all of your belongings over to the new game would RUIN the community, it would RUIN the economy, and most of all, it would make me, and a lot of other fans not buy the game.

Why do you think you should get so much respect for playing a game? Why would you not purchase GW2 just because you don't get to keep your stuff from GW1? I'm sorry, but if you're like that in real life, I feel sorry for you. You don't get to keep you position in a job if you quit it and get a new one. You wouldn't get to keep the clothes you wore in the 1900s if you came back to life in this age. You can't keep stuff from your old house and bring it to a new continent and country. Just because you did stuff now, doesn't mean you have to get recognized for it. You should be feeling lucky that Anet is even providing a hall of monuments for you.

Sorry for the way it sounds harsh and mean, it's the only way to get my point across. Also, sorry if someone already said this.

We don't even know what the premise is yet!!! More random doom and gloom threads about a game 2 years away.

Guess we are bored and self entertaining ourself in the forum

I'd consider storyline and looks the most important. Items and titles would help so far as they serve as indicators of someone having played GW1. Professions and attributes, well that would really depend on how GW2 would work - sequels tend to be bigger and/or more flexible though, e.g. classless system or more subclasses.

They both benefit, but GW2 to a lesser degree at least in one regard: Alien 4 tried to bring the main character back. People did care about that (at least before they saw the actual movie!)

I did get your main point, but my concern wasn't over whether they did what they advertised. It's simply a good thing for me as a player that they allow characters to go over to other campaigns, and bad otherwise (which is the case for GW2).

I don't know where I gave the impression that I wanted everything to be transferred over. Again, the character and a story that makes sense for the character to have continued adventuring would be the most important.

You're right though that Anet decided they have a good enough base and can afford to stop developing GW1 (only to maintain it) and move onto a new series. We'll see how their cost and benefit analysis work out in a few years, but they clearly think they can either induce enough new players or keep enough of the existing playerbase for GW2, especially when you think of features like world-vs-world combat that requires a large number of active subscribers. Contrast that with the current ghost towns and dead elite missions.

Looks like a random anti-doom post. Actually, we're just having a discussion here. And by the way, the premise is there for you to read in the PC Gamer article.

A slow death but a death never or less

Because Anet sold the game on the grounds that it would be continuing and accumulative. They are now changing their word, and there needs to be some collateral for those who made an investment in the game. Similar to the stock market, really. But if you feel "sorry" for someone who isn't a little panty-waist like you, and someone who recognizes investment and claim, then I don't feel sorry for you at all, tool.
If I'm a manager and I quit, other businesses will offer me management positions, idiot.
Yes. Yes I would. Because if I knew I was coming back to life and I wanted my clothes, I'd preserve them somehow. Come on, jackass.
You're right. If I try to take my clothes over to Africa, they'll disappear.
No, but it means I should and I'll do whatever it takes to get that recognition, because I'm not a tool*.
The fact that they are pretty much discredits everything you've said.

If I sounded harsh and mean, I'm not sorry. You deserve to be put in your place.

(*Tool: See Yaga Philipe.)

Totally logical, Mesmerman. But even though we would like to take over bling items, I'm not certain Anet will do it. I think the main argument for allowing it is that there's no such thing as an uber weapon in GW, everything has a max stat and at the end of the day, it's just some nice skins that we want to carry over.

Wait and see... :/

I believe there will be some incentive for veterans of Guild Wars to pick up Guild Wars 2.

Whether it includes armor, weapons, titles, mini-pets, or something else remains to be seen.

Again, I fail to see what the outrage is all about, since we really don't know the exact nature of the "inheritances" is.

Hopefully, in this discussion we can be optimistic about the HOM and in return give some suggestions on how the rewards should be, so it will give ideas for the dev team at anet - as for fow armor I believe a player that had fow armor in gw1 should have it in gw2 at the “start” of the game in gw2 - however it should be a armor type like heroes in gw1 (nightfall) when their armor would increased as they lvl-ed and i think that should be the case with the HOM armor reward for players of gw1 with fow armor or even 15k armor of any type. this will indeed make many old school vets happy and wont make them too powerful at the start of the game but will show players newer gw2 that this player is a vet player, this method will make players who have earned Fow armor in gw1 happy.

I really hope the rewards from the hall of monuments are minor, and mostly cosmetic. Anything else would be cruel to the kids currently complaining that their "accomplishments" in Guild Wars will be for naught when Guild Wars 2 is released. They might waste even more time on the illusions that there is such things as accomplishments in a computer game. There aren't. Just like there aren't any Santa Claus who brings out gift to the good children, not any Easter Bunny delivering eggs. It is something you have to learn when growing up.

You should play computer games because they are fun to play. If you want to accomplish something, study harder in school. The time you spend on computer games are not an "investment" (unlike the time you spend on school), it is a diversion. If you found that Guild Wars was (is) a fun diversion, chances is that Guild Wars 2 will be fun as well.

Hell, they should make that rule work for Armor in general.

I think I bought "mid-level" armor once - when i first played the game. After that, I realized you just worked your way to the point where Max armor is, and buy (or collect) it then.

Honestly, why not have armor level with you? Assuming there would be a Max level of armor, of course.

Yes games are for fun but I beg to differ look at WoW farmer working in sweat shop farming gold and earning a living off e bay in some third world country.Thou it not legal etc etc there are real financial gain in the virtual market.To Pro Gamer this is real cold hard cash that some can actually earn a living out of it.

And telling kids to grow up before their time is plain cruel.Yes go ahead tell your own kids there no Santa Claus kill their hope let them join the mindless workers class that their purpose in life is work till they die

plz people plz use common sense. all armor and some weapons are customized for your character. NOBODY else can wear it. not even your great-great-great grandson/daughter who will be your character in gw2. sorry, but its not going to happen.

and if you could bring it over it will probably be like this-

you can wear the armor and wield the weapons that your ancestors wore, but they are so fragile now that one hit on you, or one swipe on that sword and it will fall apart immediately and transform itself into a pile of dust. so in other words, you wouldn't be able to use your items, but you can brag about them while in a town, and 99/100 people will not care one bit. also, you wouldn't be able to sell them either, as that would cause an unfair advantage to the new players in gw2, and to the people that played a short time in gw1, and the people like me, who are perfectly fine with having armor that only cost me 1.5k apiece.