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Kcp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

OBF

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16 Apr 2007 at 21:08 - 161

Hard mode being account based is great news

Still would like to know as other posters if there will be hard mode elite missions?

Will there be a hard mode version of FoW armor, and DoA weapons. I'm telling you you can't go wrong with Titan weapons for DoA and an even sicker version of FoW armor + head gears for ALL classes at the armor crafter to match.

The new skins items will be the winners from the design a weapon contest, anyone want to bet?

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

16 Apr 2007 at 21:12 - 162

I don't know how I'd feel about the FoW armor. I mean, it took me about a year to get the current set. And by the time I got the new set, GW2 would probably be well on it's way.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

16 Apr 2007 at 23:15 - 163

I think i just found my motivation i needed to finish nightfall on my second account

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

16 Apr 2007 at 23:26 - 164

This is great news. Since the PVPers got their update early....how bout a little somethin somethin for the PVErs. Huh gaile?! :P

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

16 Apr 2007 at 23:32 - 165

Quote:

Originally Posted by savage vapor 33

This is great news. Since the PVPers got their update early....how bout a little somethin somethin for the PVErs. Huh gaile?! :P

Yeah, but id like to have SOME surprises:P

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

16 Apr 2007 at 23:46 - 166

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

Yeah, but id like to have SOME surprises:P

You think A-net has given out all the info about Hard More already? I highly doubt that one; I believe there are still some tricks up their sleeves in the next update.

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

17 Apr 2007 at 00:34 - 167

You think Anet will release it early? or do you think it will be like a weekend event, where it will be released on friday at noon pst, blah blah blah?

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

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17 Apr 2007 at 06:59 - 168

Account based is good news, my main character (poor necro!) has finished all three campaigns. My second character just needs to do all the Fire Islands to be in the same position.

If you own more than one campaign, but haven't finished all three, can you access hard mode in the others?

Please can I have soul reaping back in hard mode?

MirageMaster

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

EU

17 Apr 2007 at 07:19 - 169

no item reward going to get me intrested in the useless hard mode, i see no point.

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

17 Apr 2007 at 07:45 - 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberjanet

Account based is good news, my main character (poor necro!) has finished all three campaigns. My second character just needs to do all the Fire Islands to be in the same position.

Thankfully my Dervish has done the same. I *hate* Vizunah Square and only have three characters past there, the Dervish the only that has completed it. Though I really only want "hard mode" for Prophecies. *sigh* If the expected no scatter from AoE AI change happens and is extended into hard mode I guess I will have to get my smite monk through far enough (well, assuming that 55'ing works in hard mode - not that hard to add enough enchant stripping). But that is a *good* complaint

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If you own more than one campaign, but haven't finished all three, can you access hard mode in the others?

According to the statement no - you can not. That is par for the course with their idea of accounts being linked with different chapters. But then, you have one character that has done all three so why does it matter - second account? Of course we will see, until it is out take nothing as 100%.

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Please can I have soul reaping back in hard mode?

No, it is still - by far - the best e-management of the game. I somewhat expect more nerfs to come down the line and always wondered why it took this long for the PvP'ers to abuse it, my necro doesn't need to do anything *near* what any other class needs too for energy. She can spam skills with little thought (down from no thought) whatsoever.

savage vapor 33

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Regems Basement

The Malevolent Wolfpack [tMw]

17 Apr 2007 at 07:56 - 171

Question: Do you have to beat the game to unlock hard mode for ONLY that campaign? Or does it unlock Hard Mode for all other campaigns too?

Thanks.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

17 Apr 2007 at 08:32 - 172

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Here is some information about Hard Mode:

You must have completed the campaign with at least one character on the account in order to access Hard mode.
Once you have done that, any other character on the account that is Level 20 (ascension is not required) will also be able to access Hard mode.
The best players should be able to take on Hard mode with Heroes and Henchmen. We do not guarantee success, but it is doable.
Henchmen in HM have been buffed to have better armour, items, and their Elites.

Hope this is helpful.

That's awesome. It looks like it's going to be much more accessible than I expected. I'm really looking forward to this now.

cyberjanet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Netherlands

Rich Mahogany

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17 Apr 2007 at 10:20 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by strcpy

But then, you have one character that has done all three so why does it matter - second account? Of course we will see, until it is out take nothing as 100%.

It doesn't matter for me, but it will make a difference to who I can play with. My husband has only finished one campaign, for example. Some of my regular playing playing buddies have also only finished one.

I'm not interested in a second account. I have two characters that I play, and two that I never bonded with. It's enough.

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

17 Apr 2007 at 11:02 - 174

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindex

You think A-net has given out all the info about Hard More already? I highly doubt that one; I believe there are still some tricks up their sleeves in the next update.

And the PvE-only skills due with HM are what? useless byproducts? I didn't find a single official skill description regarding these yet. Can't wait.

As for me I got no problem. My main char is prot of all 3 campaigns. Time to own some high-level beasts.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

17 Apr 2007 at 16:04 - 175

Really glad hardmode is Hero and Henchable at least. Tons of pug players can't even/can barely beat the "normal" game (or not without dozens of tries first) even though a good player can easily Hero/Hench all of it on the first try. Letting anyone who beat the game into hardmode is just going to amplify the problem of bad pug players dragging whole parties down by a huge margin and causing numerous bouts of failure due to very stupid gameplay & skillbar errors on the part of said players.

I'm guessing that hard mode will be a lot more doable with Heroes than it will be with a typical, average pug --- as is already the case in normal mode.

mortis corpus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Private room in the Catacombs with Eve

Deaths Doormen (DOA)

N/E

17 Apr 2007 at 17:46 - 176

im personally looking forward to this i still hope that you can turn it on and off so that way if you have guildiess or friends that are not on hard mode that you can help them threw those areas to

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

17 Apr 2007 at 17:54 - 177

Quote:

Originally Posted by mortis corpus

im personally looking forward to this i still hope that you can turn it on and off so that way if you have guildiess or friends that are not on hard mode that you can help them threw those areas to

I think it would be a horrible move on ANet's part to make it where you can't switch it off. You should be given every right to play the game normally if you want to and not be forced to play at a difficulty you found out you don't like.

AnnaCloud9

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Minnesota

Well if you're bored, then you're boring!

R/

17 Apr 2007 at 17:59 - 178

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongo River

I'll quit GW if Protector is a req. Really. I've hated titles from the start - banning me from playing a game mode for not having one would just be too much.

I've completed 2 campaigns, but have no Protector title or interest in pursuing one - why should I have to go back and do a mission again to get it's bonus or complete it faster, just to play hard mode?

Hell it doesn't even make much sense to have *any* character based req (like ascension). I'm currently working through Proph with a new ele and finding it painfully easy, even with a half team of heroes. Hard mode sounds exactly what I need, but it also sounds like I won't get to play it, until I've practically finished. What's the point? I'd have more interest in playing through with a new class then and, of course, the same problem...

I think the OP mentioned this could be a make or break feature... sorry Anet, but I suspect for me, it's going to be the latter.

So you would deny the extra content for those who have put forth much more effort than you simply because you aren't willing to take that extra step to achieve what others have? Sounds like a poor copout, and is an obvious declaration of your attitude which many PUGs suffer from. You still have much to do in your campaigns, so consider the Masters/Bonus in missions your bonus material, and once you achieve that, come by and take part in the extra features portion that is being offered to those who actually appreciate the value of hard work.

Kcp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

OBF

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17 Apr 2007 at 19:09 - 179

Hard mode + double LB and sunspear pts this weekend in both difficulties. Confirmed on GW's webpage.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

17 Apr 2007 at 19:21 - 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kcp

Hard mode + double LB and sunspear pts this weekend in both difficulties. Confirmed on GW's webpage.

Huzzah! Too bad that's the only news for Hard Mode - the date that it's available.

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

17 Apr 2007 at 20:19 - 181

hope we get HM before (tomorrow pls?) so that we can grow accustomed to the new mobs.

pakhavit

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Florida

Thai Alliance

R/Mo

17 Apr 2007 at 20:57 - 182

Nooooo almost get kbd (T-T) need 4% more explore elona

Protector not gonna count toward max title right? (T-T)

10k more for lb8

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

17 Apr 2007 at 21:19 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

So you would deny the extra content for those who have put forth much more effort than you simply because you aren't willing to take that extra step to achieve what others have?

Ummm... no - I'd deny myself having to go through endless repeats, before I get to anything new. Others can do as they please.

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

Sounds like a poor copout, and is an obvious declaration of your attitude which many PUGs suffer from. You still have much to do in your campaigns, so consider the Masters/Bonus in missions your bonus material, and once you achieve that, come by and take part in the extra features portion that is being offered to those who actually appreciate the value of hard work.

Oh, thanks. I get to go back and try to do everything faster or follow Dunkoro's "advice" or mimic that mime at the party - TEN TIMES OVER. Gee, what a wonderful time I'm going to have.

BTW - I generally don't play with PUGs. I try whenever I'm stuck, but find them to be like deranged kamikaze henchmen on acid. My "attitude" was down to a dislike of "titles" and the apparent desire some had to use them to segregate the community. It's bad enough seeing every other idea that gets posted in Sardelac being shot down by someone concerned at how it will affect their precious title - the idea that titles would get used in the way being suggested was simply too offensive to me. There are a lot of different types of players in GW - one group shouldn't get to dictate what another gets to do. I'm sure there are ways to get a good human group together, without some weird title based apartheid (a clue is probably in the game's title). For my part, I play largely solo and wish to do so without having to grind for titles or achievements that I have no interest in (that's kind've a big deal to me

).

Oh and "work"? WORK? You know it's a game right? I've been putting in 2-3 hrs a day, but I really will be quitting when it starts to feel like work.

Anyway, this argument is mute, in light of Gailes post.

draceena

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2005

17 Apr 2007 at 21:33 - 184

I hope to heaven that here is some kind of separate district for the hard mode people, it was and still is murder to find groups to do the Titan Quests after finishing Prophasies as you have to group in the same cities as low level players.

Raxxman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

TEOC

W/N

17 Apr 2007 at 21:37 - 185

Yeah I never got those quests

I kinda hope they become full fledged missions in hard mode but I doubt it.

Liberations

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Azeroth (shhh)

Ryders of the Sword [FrNd]

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17 Apr 2007 at 21:43 - 186

A good idea would be to make one or two missions that had you going around Tyria to kill off the titans after DDF, replacing most of the titan quests. This wouldn't count toward Protector of Tyria though.

AnnaCloud9

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Minnesota

Well if you're bored, then you're boring!

R/

17 Apr 2007 at 22:38 - 187

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongo River

Oh, thanks. I get to go back and try to do everything faster or follow Dunkoro's "advice" or mimic that mime at the party - TEN TIMES OVER. Gee, what a wonderful time I'm going to have.

You do it once, it's account wide. And if you can't do those menial tasks even once, what makes you think you'll even grasp the concept of doing something 2-3 times more difficult?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongo River

Oh and "work"? WORK? You know it's a game right? I've been putting in 2-3 hrs a day, but I really will be quitting when it starts to feel like work.

Since this is a 'game' you need not take every word for its literal meaning. Work in a game can translate into effort, how's that? Or shall I say, this would reward those for their 'hard play'.

Anyway, you do know there are sports/games played by every country nearly that have what are called minor leagues and whatnot. There are 1st string positions and there are 3rd. Which do you choose to fall into? And which do you feel is allowed for those who do much more than you to achieve them? Do I like titles? Not especially, so we agree these are pointless to some degree. However, do I want to team up with people who get run to Droks, skip half the game, get to ToPK and still don't know how to move from a meteor shower, or are shocked that their Firey Storm Bow isn't doing extra damage with Order of Vamp and it's the Necro's fault for not keeping that skill up? Or why the Necro who sacrifices life for the party is up front wanding Terras? Sorry for the rant, but titles don't mean anything, but selfish I want it all but don't want to do more than I want to do for it attitudes is wearing thin on people's nerves who actually DO want to get a competent group together to try this new mode. So, filter out those who want to slag, and let's get on with the true 'hard players' (not workers mind you).

So what did you do when you finished your first mission (not quest)? Were you upset others were already done with the game enjoying other aspects of it while you were just learning the differences between a hornbow and a recurve?

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

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18 Apr 2007 at 00:57 - 188

It better not be as hard as DoA... I tank that area with an obby tank and honestly it boring as hell (tanking). Also, people better not require TS/Vent... cause I am seriously gonna get pissed off if that happens.

IMO, Hard Mode should increase the difficulty to make it interesting for veteran players, but should not make it impossible to 2 man with heros. For example, I don't wanna be stuck tanking, I wanna run a warrior DPS build..

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

E/

18 Apr 2007 at 00:58 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by draceena

I hope to heaven that here is some kind of separate district for the hard mode people, it was and still is murder to find groups to do the Titan Quests after finishing Prophasies as you have to group in the same cities as low level players.

100% agree. Trying to find a group with all the spam and lower level newbies would blow..

icymanipulator

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

18 Apr 2007 at 01:51 - 190

Anyone else besides me take issue with the fact that this "hard mode" will kill off the protector maximum towards KoaBD? I had to work particularly hard on some missions (read: Eternal Grove) to get the masters award only to find that these titles will no longer be maxed out. Repeating nearly 60 missions on a harder difficulty seems more like a chore than a reward. I can only hope anet has some wonderful things in mind with this update and I will reserve serious judgement until I've seen what this new difficulty entails.

Nigel Tufnel

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Glob of Ectospasm

W/Mo

18 Apr 2007 at 01:58 - 191

You will not lose your protector max title. It will remain counting towards your KOABD. That has been confirmed by anet..please dont worry about it.

As far as hardmode missions....international districts will be my place to form.

icymanipulator

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

18 Apr 2007 at 02:01 - 192

Best news I've heard! I was still optimistic about it but confirmation goes a long way. I'm definetly looking forward to this weekend now!

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

18 Apr 2007 at 02:20 - 193

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hard_mode

Edit: Sorry about that, I did not go through properly and see the March part. Could have sworn it was April, but I guess it was my mind playing tricks on me. I’ll keep the link up though.

BDZeres

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Ban Dipweed [BD]

18 Apr 2007 at 02:21 - 194

"Also, people better not require TS/Vent... cause I am seriously gonna get pissed off if that happens. "

56k FTL? Not sure what you have against ts/vent. In my experience there are very few PvE areas in which having voice com helps... the final missions of DoA come to mind. It does wonders for group synergy.

Usually if I'm leading a PUG ts/vent is optional because tbh I don't want to spend my time raging at some silly person who runs around like a headless chicken... rather listen to some Bob Marley and chill out. But depending on how "hard" this thing is it may very well require TS/Vent to be efficient, like Team Arenas or HA --sure you can do without it, but you're not gonna get far.

I am nervously anticipating this update as it will "make or break" GW for me. If this sucks, I will probably play a lot less. If it's everything I hope it can be, I will see all of you in Hard Mode and then in GW:EN.

BDZeres

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Ban Dipweed [BD]

18 Apr 2007 at 02:23 - 195

"As far as hardmode missions....international districts will be my place to form."

Ahh, the international districts. The safe haven from spam and scrubs. <3

Cya there Nigel!

ume kurosaki

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

18 Apr 2007 at 02:27 - 196

There is one issue I do have with TS/Vent, though. Mainly because I'm mostly deaf. I try to keep vent/TS on really high volume, though, and sometimes I'm lucky and get a TS/Vent group that types out the important details beforehand for me. I can speak just as fine as anyone else, too, so that helps as well.

I'm still looking foward to HM. I'm just hoping it's not DoA-crazy (talking about skills like Enraged).

Cheers.
-Ume

Lelle Adivo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Apr 2007 at 03:14 - 197

"You must have completed the campaign with at least one character on the account in order to access Hard mode."

I know people are pretty sure that it is protector title but what are the chances of it just having a completed campaign or just completed every mission (min req).

I got the impression that people thought of the Protector titles b/c of the the Guardian and Vanquisher titles. Idk.

The Great Al

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

ALOA

E/Me

18 Apr 2007 at 03:35 - 198

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindex

According to the offcial Guild Wars Wiki Web site, it comes in on Thursday.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gaile_News/20070320

uhh...where do you see anything about Thursday?

Aint She Fancy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

The Incuebation [iNc]

Mo/

18 Apr 2007 at 03:56 - 199

Quote:

Originally Posted by sindex

According to the offcial Guild Wars Wiki Web site, it comes in on Thursday.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gaile_News/20070320

Well, no. Because March was last month. This is April. April 20th is Friday.

And sine the Lightbringer/Sunspear event is a weekend event, I assume it'll starte noon on Friday.

J snukka

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

New York

18 Apr 2007 at 04:00 - 200

im excited about hard mode. Im going to love it no matter what, even if they made it irritatingly hard.

Lets just hope noone complains about how Anet went about HM, b/c there should be no reason to complain. It's a way to have us continue playing the game.