Make 'Legendary Defender of Ascalon' a respectable title

As it stands this title is beyond the most worthless out there. All it does is let the people who've gained it show how big there e-penis is by proving that they've managed to go afk and waste countless amounts of electricity dieing.

Make this title actually attainable through killing enemies. Even if it means bringing a 'hard mode' to Pre-searing accessable only after level 10 (or higher). Such a thing would require thought so 'cookie cutter' builds didn't end up in pre where people with the wrong primary/secondary can't get into any groups.

The death-leveling of Charr or Pets as the title currently requires is just stupid.

/signed

They really need to add some higher level enemies. I wouldn't mind this title, but I don't want to afk for hours to get a little exp.

/unsigned

I don't think this title should be made easier to attain, as it was added to honor those who set out to reach level 20 in Pre, when everyone was telling them it was impossible. The original few who made it had quite a hard time doing so, I don't see why we should make it any easier just so everyone and their mom can go out and get it.

If anything this title is worth more than any of titles in the game, because of the dedication it requires to make it.

If you think this title is worthless because of how it is acheived, maybe you should take a look at what some of the other titles are all about. A title for how many times you double-clicked something in your inventory... We have 3 different versions of that one... A title for how often you just walk around and look at scenery...

The Lightbringer title is more worthless than this one, as people did the same thing. Set up their heroes and left their computers on. Come back a few hours later and hey what do you know, you're rank 4 Lightbringer.

I don't want it to be easy to obtain. I want it to be possible to obtain without exploits that take 200+ hours.

well, im up to 14......sure is a lot of stress just for one little bar to show up under your name......but i bet it gives a cool reward in gw2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

meh my mind is telling me two things. i would love to get this title myself, but i dont want to death lvl for a countless amount of hrs. making it easier to obtain would be nice so for that part of me i say /signed.

but there are also ppl who have SLAVED over achieving this title, and suddenly saying, "oh yea, that title that u have was a complete waste of time now...people can get that title in a fifth of the time that u spent on it now that the rules have changed...." so for that my overall opinion is

/not signed



and vilaptca...i would really love to see u try to explore 100% of any map, becuase it is one of the hardest things i have done in my 14 months of playing.... please, humor me for a bit.

I'm not saying make it so everyone and there dog can earn this title. I'm saying make it so you don't have to spend 100s of hours afk just to get it. Even if the only method of getting exp was from killing Charr bosses (which would be insanely tedious to say the least) it would hold more worth to it than the current method. I would quite like this title, i'm sure many others would, i'm talking about making it challenging to get. The only thing challenging about it atm is down to whether you can pay the electricity bill or stay connected without been auto kicked.

I never said they weren't useless. Drunkard and Sweet Tooth are both money sinks, that was purely the reason for introducing them. Sweet Tooth was purely on points so people didn't have to waste time afking. Drunkard could be quickly zoned (thankgod). Lucky/Unlucky are completely pointless and will probably never actually be maxable anyway. Cartographer actually requires some effort, it may not have a use but it definatly takes dedication, specially in Tyria.

The Lightbringer title actually has a use. Fair enough if you have it maxed you probably abused the afking, but its far from worthless.

If this title gives any reward in GW2 i will be displeased because its a reward for doing something you don't even have to be at your computer for.

Edit: I have no sympathy for people who wasted there time getting this title before now if it was to be updated. I'm sure when Hardmode comes many Holy Lightbringers who slaved over there title without afking it will be slightly annoyed if LB is easier to gain in that, there achievements are still noteworthy and they don't get a say in this. LDoAers have achieved nothing.

I think this was suggested before (a town or outpost outiside the gate, I think it was).

I think they should add one level 16 to pre. It won't make it easier to get the title. It'll take just as long. but you'll have fewer deaths.

...and you could even go for the Suvivor title (why you would is beyond me, but some people like it for no reason).

/signed I agree with felixcarter add one (count em folks ONE) lvl 16 charr way off in the middle of now where. Give him a good group of lvl 8s or so. This would make it fairly hard and make the challenge of getting the title more fun. I am not saying that the current people did not work to get their titles.....ok yes i am. All they did was death level which is a super grind. its not a challenge, its not fun, its just waste of time. The people who have the title i respect, I do not have the paitence to achieve this title. death leveling is boring. I like some of the others it seems arent asking for a gimme title, we are simply wanting the achievment of the title to be fun instead of a grind.

~the rat~

How do you get to lvl 20 in Pre? I thought after a certain level, you gain no experience for so many lower levels, there you can't really level up then.

Death leveling. Basically you level the enemies.

you death level a moa bird( yes its the best way to become a defender)

and /signed i wanna actually become a defender of ascalon, not a deathlever of ascalon.

You stand at a res shrine and let a Moa kill you while you are afk. Come back later and it is lvl like 18 and you kill for exp. Basically you will have a 200+ hours of being afk...

Much longer than 200 hours. That and i think some people death level Charr since they kill faster.

You get 0 dp, apart from smuggled weapons there are no vampiric weapons, no runes can be equipped. Your ressurect with full health everytime. To death level a pet from in Post using 2 Ressurect spamming heros, 60dp and a vampiric weapon (i was ressed with about 18 health) it took me 2-3hours to level up 1 pet to level 20 so i could cap it Dire on my ranger heros. Thats with been ressurected frequently, imagine how long it takes with the pet and a res shrine at full health. Even with the Charr doing alot more damage, you still have the res shrine to deal with and you still have about 400 health.
And that gains you maybe 100-200 exp... Think how much you need for a level.

Someone in my alliance has a pre char going for this with 800 hours on the clock and they're not even close. This title is ridiculous.

Well...

A Defender is not a great deal.

A Survidor and defender has some VERY NICE friends.

I'll go for two things:
- Make min exp from ANY kill be it's level, not 0. That is, the min exp you can get from a level 8 enemy, would be 8.
- And the absolute minimum be 1. That is, if 8 guys kill a level 1 enemy, they get 1 exp each, since 1/8=0.125, rounded 0. 0 can't be, then 1.

The old exp system was Ok for Prophecies campaign, but now exp and leveling is made with absolutely no effort. From 1 to 20 in less than 5 hours in Shing Jea.

That would do. Hey.

/signed

I don't see the point in getting the title personally because of all the "e-penis" people who got it from death levelling out there... but...

a) for those who actually do want it it'll give incentive

b)it'll literally help alleviate electricity problems of america >.>

EDIT: I think this would best be implemented in a very high level area with a party of 4 allowed. Keep in mind presear characters have ~5 armor

/signed for easier

If but please make the charr "upgrade" after lv 10.

Really too low for a "hard mode", lv 15 would seem fine, you still have to wait quite a while killing those bosses.

If Anet ever add a lvl 16 charr boss (which I doubt very much, they'd add a lvl 14 charr boss instead, else it would be too much easier to achieve), just know (those who already tried/tries/did) how much time it takes to do lvl 14-16 just doing charr bosses runs and how tedious it is.

Now you'll have 4 levels to do this way(this is, if you did all the quests already, else it will be 3 1/4 levels), with 4 times less experience, have to get more xp to lvl up, and the boss will be located somewhere harder to reach (devs won't just put the big exp boss in the middle of nowhere, easy to reach), perhaps it will be behind he Charr Shrine, perhaps all the way back past the Charr Shrine to the last 2 charr groups up the hill).

You'll have to get there, which will be much longer than the regular charr boss hunt, and kill it (if he doesn't actually kill you first, he's lvl14 and you have paper armor). And you'll have to come back to town for another gate opener for 600+ times

In the end, it would take as much, if not more time than deleveling.

And Evilsod, fyi, the title is attainable below 800 hours.

I don't want to sound stupid, but since I don't have any guys from Pre, and I haven't had any since like... 8 months ago. But how do you death level? Instead of posting the whole thing here, please PM me.
Anyway, it would appear that people like this idea, so I'll join the party.
/signed

Hes doing something wrong then. People have gotten it in ~600. Not to mention there are still A LOT of guild hall glitched triple xp scrolls floating around (I know someone who has more than 250 of them), so you can cut that time by 2/3 if you're willing to cash out some gold.

Anyways, they'd have to make this 1000x easier for all you people signing this to even consider going for it. Try to get yourself just to level 16 even, and then tell me if you want to do grind 1000x worse than that (which is what it would be if a level 14 or 16 boss was added). You wouldn't.

And the whole electricity thing is kind of blown out of proportion. I remember reading somewhere that leaving your PS3 on folding (...if you don't know what it is, look it up) for an entire month, 24/7, 0 interruptions, it would cost you something like $8 of electricity (give or take a few $ depending on where you live). Now considering running GW on your PC doesn't even take 1/10 the processing power of folding on the ps3, so I'd imagine its significantly less than that to leave ur PC on for 1 month, 24/7. That, and it doesn't even take 1 month 24/7 to get LDoA, its quite a bit less. So I wouldn't imagine more than $4 worth of electricity was wasted, in fact probably quite a lot less. Was it still a waste? For sure. Was it some devastating huge amount of money wasted on electricity like you guys are making it out to be? No.

Anyways, this title is worthless. If you don't like it, don't get it. Personally, I think forking over like 2 mil gold and clicking on Red Bean Cake's 10,000 times is a completely worthless waste of time and gold. Same with clicking on ale for ~160 hours, or still like ~5-10 hours + a hell of a lot of gold if you want to spike eggnog it. So guess what? I don't go for it and I just ignore it. If people want to get it, let them.

/signed

it would be great to have some kind of "Elite Mission" in Pre searing. Maybe groups of 4 or so could get together and get some nice XP, and decent loot (expert salvage kits? Runes? better armor for casters?)

erm.. so.. basically you're saying.. "I'm going to find the worst possible scenario anyone can think of to make this idea worthless so I can /unsign it"....

When anet could simply just up the level of the char.

Honestly this is like saying, if someone wanted to implement HA before it was made, "/unsign, no freaking way, to make this work they'd have to add 400 level 128 monsters randomly in the arena which is total nonsense."

This is the most realistic scenario. Have you only tried getting to lvl 16 in pre ? If yes, can you imagine yourself grinding 20 times harder to reach lvl 20 ? Do you imagine Anet putting a lvl 14-16 boss right within the reach of every jack easily ?

Right, I hope you realize that as a lvl 10 (max lvl possible in pre without killing charrs in the northlands), to just kill a patrol of 4 lvl8 charrs can be hard, you want them to face a group of 4 lvl 14 ?

Oh yeah ! Put all charrs in the Northlands between lvl 12 and 16, so everybody can achieve this title in less than 60 hours !

"I want this title, yet I can't achieve to get it ! Anet, I want a short-cut ! I Want iiiitt ! *cries*"

Wow, awful comparison.

Er yeah. The point of this thread is to make an alternative that would take less time but be difficult.

Death leveling must be looked on as cheating. It is underhand, doesn't fit with the game mechanics and exploits what must be an ignored feature or bug in the enemy leveling system.

Therefore no title should use it. Legendary defender of Ascalon should be changed so it requires no death leveling. Even if that means reducing the level required to get it (what's the max you can get by char farming? lvl 12 I think)

I would. And I did.
Yes. Yes. I only asked for one. I'm willing to grind for it. Not die for it.



I understand what point you guys are trying to make. It should be a difficult title. It doesn't have a function. In that sense, you're arguments are valid. I don't think adding one level 16 will make it any easier than death-leveling. If anything, I think it actually might make it harder.

Level 16, actually. Takes a while, but it's pretty chill if you stick with it.

FYI, Anet is aware of deleveling, death-leveling was removed once by Anet, and they put it back in for some reason afterwards (just before the addition of the LDoA title I think)


Anyway, I doubt any change will be made to presearing, Anet said times and again that they wouldn't add content to old chapters(although they added the 15k gladiator helm recently ). Well, perhaps it will happen one day, perhaps not, the future holds the answer.

Heh, anet contradicts itself a lot ^^ I call hard mode one heluva added content to old chapters.

Charr Bags

I laughed when they added these little trinkets to Pre. ANet listens to it's fandom, even if they are people who like to hang out in the tutorial part of the game and use it as a chat-room. XD

But it's true. Only time will tell.

/signed. and signed again

I have always felt this was a good idea. I have a level 15 and half monk death leveling right now. It's easier than fighting charr and more points, set it up an go to bed get up kill a level 20 spider, set it up again and go to work. When you get home Level 20 Strider. 184x2 points vs 128 soloing Charr. It feels like cheating. I'm not proud of it but what can you do.

I also think a small outpost you could only get to if you were level 12 out in the north would be nice. I'm tired of not being able to get into the north.

And I am sorry that you think this might take something away from those few who first thought of it. But here you are whoop de doo! You are the man my hat is off to you. I know they don't want to add a small section to pre, you know beyond that small outpost with some level 16 bosses. But please be real why should we have to cheat when we are willing to work for our title.

I think that section of Charr is one of the hardest in the game. It's not easy even at level 15. So if another small area was just as hard wouldn't you like to start a new character just to see if you could beat it and get a real title too. That maybe you could be proud of.

If they make this anything like what the community is asking for, then they better add a second tier to the title for the people who have actually put some effort into it.

I'm after this title myself, so I'm not saying any of this to protect my own self. Just trying to prevent the cheapening of the title.

Yes, rename the current LDoA title to ''Legendary Coffinfiller of Ascalon'', add hard mode to pre with groups of 4 lvl 14 charr and give the title ''Legendary Defender of Ascalon'' to anyone who's killed ten thousand of these lvl 14 charr (seems hard enough with the paper armor and pre skills/weapons we have)...now theres a -true- legendary defender of ascalon!
And it's a normal way to get LDoA without it being cheapened!

anyway..

/signed!

No. When Prophecies came out, the survidor was hard.
Now, just by making some Canthan quets your are done.

It's completely normal that things become less worthy over time.

They should have stuck to their first decision and kicked anyone over a legitimate level out of pre for good measure. Instead, they honour them with a title - a most prestigious sounding title, too. At the very least, they could have called them "Legion of Dolts" or something.

sepcially considering that when prophecies came out, there were no titles, those who reached lvl 20 and finished the game without dying did so as their own challenge, factions introduced the titles, like surivor.

before this titles were added, people were trying their best to reach lvl 20, as their own self imposed challenge to show that one could reach lvl 20 in pre, there were 2 or so that had reached lvl 20 before that title was implemented, and very few were trying to do that, now that there is a title to get by reaching lvl 20, everyone wants a second way to do so. dont mind the first fews that did it without help of anet.

Oh, only around 600 hours? Well congrats to them. Thats about 6 weeks of solid 24/7 gaming. I'm assuming about 75% of which is spent afk. Why bring up triple xp scrolls? Who gives a toss about the people that still have items brought in through a glitch.
How can anyone using glitched items to gain this title then have any say in how its modified to make its requirements less stupid when they didn't even do it properly themselves?

How the hell can you be called on as a Defender of Ascalon when all you've proved is that you can die constantly? You might aswell call up a crew of emo's to defend the planet for all the good they'd do. As said already, this title has a more Legendary Coffin-filler of Ascalon feel to it than a Defender.

All titles have there worthless edge. Survivor, so what you went through the game surviving... or did you? How are we to know you didn't just complete every single exp quest you could get your hands on in Elona/Cantha, get a quick Ascension and 50k boost from Prophecies and do some exp farming for a while? LDoA is just a worthless block. If it does get changed those people can brag about how they got it when it was truly a 'hard' title, chances are it'll probably fall on deaf ears.

The definition of 'hard' with respect to titles is thrown around so vaguely. Attaining 'Incorrigible Ale-Hound' isn't hard. Attaining 'Conneiusser (sp?) of Confectionnaries' isn't hard. The only thing you might see as hard is acquiring the gold with which to buy them. But its still not actually hard to get the title. LDoA isn't hard. It just needs persistence, what effort is involved exactly in going afk and dieing alot? Changing this title so it could actually be attained without the 600hours of death leveling spoken of earlier wouldn't cheapen it. The title is as cheap as it could be already with the method needed to gain it.

What's wrong with going after the title? I have a level 16 in pre that I've leveled just from Charr Bosses. Granted, I have quite a few deaths, but that comes from just clowning around.

I think I should change my request however, from "give us one level 16 boss" to "give us one level 15 enemy". I actually forgot you do all the quests you didn't do at level 19.
Also, by making it an enemy, you don't gain double XP. It will still take a very long time to get up to level 19.

To all the people that disagree: I can see your point of view. It will depreciate the value of the title. I think it's awesome that people went for level 20 in Pre before a title was even added. But the point of the matter is, a title was added. It was expected that people would start asking if the means to get the title actually reflects the title itself.

I have char that is doing this that is currently lvl 16 and about halfway to lvl 17. There are lots of guides out there on how to do it. I don't consider it cheating, it simply is possible within the rules of the game. Monsters and Players level with experience. There is no DP in pre. You can lure monsters to rez shrines. It is tedious, a little silly, and only serves one purpose (to gain experience) but it is possible within the rules of the game.

I find that any little bit of new stuff in pre causes a lot of excitement among the pre community. Golden eggs resulted in several people farming like maniacs to get the Treasure Hunter title. The chocolate bunnies resulted in a few getting their Sweet Tooth title by buying them from other players. The Charr Bags caused a major stir. There are quite a few people sporting Drunkard Titles in pre that have farmed ales from the Bear Hunters and purchased ales from other people. I have yet to see an "Incorrigible Ale Hound" in pre, but I am sure there are those that are working on it. There are people with several mini-pets. Some of these people have no plans to leave pre-searing--ever.

I find that adding some higher level monsters to get experience through regular killing to be something I would like to see. It will surely anger some people, but a wandering band of level 15 Charr (or something similar) that spawn in different locations would add a bit to Pre-searing. A special weekend experience event would be nice too. Perhaps allowing creatures that are ten levels below you to give some experience during a special three-day period.

Keep in mind that killing the four char bosses at level 15 only resulted in 128XP per run and took people 15-30 minutes per run. It takes a lot of runs to progress this way, but it is active progress. Not just AFKing at the rez shrine while a moa bird slowly moves up in levels. The other (and faster) way is the rather complicated process of luring bands of charr to the rez shrine and stacking them so you can level them in larger groups.

As far as the LDOA title goes. I see it as an accomplishment. Getting to level 16 took time and effort, the rest of the way is an AFK grind, but if you get it, it is certainly a respectable title and if you are mocked for it, my guess is that the person making fun of it has issues of their own.

Anet never made the decision to kick anyone at a certain level in pre to post but i assume you ment anets decision to disable deathlevelling for a few months prior to it being reinstated.

I think forced kicks are a very bad idea...what could possibly be the benefit of this except for cousing the total annihilation of a small (but very special) sub-community of this game?



I think the bold part of the OP's quote is what this thread is truely about and there are many people that agree to this.
I also agree that most likely part of these people are people that simply find it too hard to get and want to have this title obtainable in a much easier way... ''dummifying this title'' with which I do not agree.
I would also argue that amongst the poeple who don't want an alternative way to get this title are people that will go through the deathlevelling and will simply oppose any alternative way to obtain this title, no matter how reasonable, just for the sake of them having a title that very few other people have.
These people seem to think that anyone who requests an alternative way to obtain this title thinks like this:"I want this title, yet I can't achieve to get it ! Anet, I want a short-cut ! I Want iiiitt ! *cries*" which I think is a very negative approach towards these people and is just plain wrong.

This game should be about having fun and having a normal way to get this title will definately make this game a lot more fun then having to get it by the means that are here now.


remember that not everyone can leave their comps on overnight..not even if they'd want to!


Edit:There are a few of those around already

The time and effort taken to reach level 16 *should* be the time and effort taken to reach level 20. You shouldn't have to afk your way throught 4 more levels. I have no problem with the effort put in to kill Charr bosses repeatadly to gain level 16. In my OP i said even if all they did was add a few Charr bosses at lvl14 (or is it 15) so you can gain small amounts of exp at level 19 and slowly creep your way to level 20 while actually doing something!

I also see no reason why people who currently have the title can complain. I'm sure many of the hardcore Pre-ers have titles that you can actually flash or use smuggled items so have no say anyway. The effort stops at level 16. The tedious afking that should not be part of this title is what should go.