The death of farming

Raxxman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

TEOC

W/N

So hardcore farming isn't dead.

Casual farming is fairly dead though isn't it.

Woop for bots and hardcore players. Too bad for casual 'lets play to have fun, earn a bit of money for that skill, or you know a sup vigor, no grinding for them no sir'

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by dark_slayer
I was excited about hardmode also, but this is an outrage. Im done with Guildwars if thay dont give us our drops back and im defenetly not buying EOTN inless thay fix this crap!! Hahaha! I did +30k gold today, just testing the vanish title, with a full party obviously, cleaned two NF areas, many golds and even one green! (I kept it, not included in the +30k gold) I think drops are a lot better now (with a full party).

Also, that areas originally designed for 4 people team, when you change it to hard mode, the drops are indeed good, +100 gold per monster is not bad (even when you get only 25)

So, my "farming" now is ... just play the game! hahahaha! (at least when I still have areas to clean, for the title, I am happy; I am sure completing that title will give me like +1.000k, no joke!)

Engel the Fallen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by darrengordon
im lost are you guys doing this in normal or hard? im doing it in hard solo and duo and the drops are bloody ammazing just had 4 golds in one pull! where as norm one every 10 to 20 runs. I think guys you need to do hard mode as the rare drop has gone up in this one so it kind of counters the decrease in qty of players.
For one i love it my drop rate is thru the roof, the store of ecto i have will now double in price and my store of titan gems has just gone from 50k to 100k so i made 700k last night in titan runs lol
Sorry to all those who feel screwed though, i dont think its an end its just donw to uise to find new methods.
I think i remember similar threads saying end of farming when .... they now run from aoe spells ..... they now will change aggro from melee ..... etc etc I was just going through a mission to get the new masters and had four gold drops. Basically want good drops, play on hard mode, and just wipe an area super fast and even with henchies the purple or gold drops will drop like mad.

Roshi_ikkyu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/W

I'm Witt!
STFU stop crying and let get back to good old group farms, hell it will be easier if were all seasoned farmers!

Puran Lighthart

Puran Lighthart

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

GoAnubis

W/Me

I'm not complaining about what they did, I almost understand the reasoning behind it. They are simply trying to encourage group hunts, and stop individuality. Yes this means that solo farming will not be as efficient, or quick, but it will still be there, and the drops still will happen......just not as often. My only problem is the fact that I started playing GW in an environment where I couldn't party with anyone. (I was in an area where internet wasn't a priority, and because of my sporadic connection I couldn't find people that would deal with me having to reboot randomly). So, I shrugged it off and went through the missions and quests with henchy's only, and beat proph that way. I farmed, on my own, cause that seemed to be the logical next step. I wasn't good at it, and there was no reasoning behind what I was farming, I was just killing things to have something to do. I played GW because it was a GAME, and it helped me get my mind off of what was going on around me, even if I could only play once in a while. After playing GW in Iraq for 6 months I returned to the states and continued playing GW. But I digress, like I said, my only problem is that people forget that Guild Wars is a GAME, don't let a game affect you this much. Yes it sucks, but so what? There's the only tear i'll shead for pixle crack. Play because its fun, not because it's convenient.

It’s just another challenge to overcome......
Not up to the challenge? Then quit....

chicks boy

chicks boy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

No guild

A/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeHoMaR
Hahaha! I did +30k gold today, just testing the vanish title, with a full party obviously, cleaned two NF areas, many golds and even one green! (I kept it, not included in the +30k gold) I think drops are a lot better now (with a full party).

Also, that areas originally designed for 4 people team, when you change it to hard mode, the drops are indeed good, +100 gold per monster is not bad (even when you get only 25)

So, my "farming" now is ... just play the game! hahahaha! (at least when I still have areas to clean, for the title, I am happy; I am sure completing that title will give me like +1.000k, no joke!) Nice, you make me want to play the game as "normal".

Sir Domairman

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Wizards of the Gold Order

R/Mo

Let me put this pic here too.

Bride of the Atom

Bride of the Atom

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Like I've mentioned on here before, I'm an extremely casual player. I'm not a farmer and I haven't been playing for anything close to a year. I haven't even finished all three campaigns (but I'm slowly getting there )! However, when I DO play I always like to see how few heroes/henchmen I can take to do quests/missions. It makes it more challenging and, yes, the super bonus is that I *get better drops*. With the new update there's no awesome incentive to take less than the max party size. Booooorrring. Who the hell benefits from this? If people want to spend hours farming, it's their business. It's never bothered me any, seeing as how everyone has their own "instance" to do whatever they want in.

Edit: that picture ^ is pretty fantastic.

Roshi_ikkyu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/W

some how just kicking around old ascalon in hard mode I made 20k and got some nice mods from drops and chest too. all solo!

true it might have take longer then 3 minutes to score 5k but hey farming is there.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

Farming is not nor will it be rendered dead by this update. If anything it will be more profitable because there will no longer be a way for any goober that looked up a build on wiki to glut the market with items. If you think that demand will decrease because of this you're nuts. Demand for rare loot has remained constant pretty much the entire history of the game. Granted the loot in demand has changed but the demand itself is constant. So with the demand being constant and the supply being noticeably smaller what do you think this will do to prices? The only thing is the buying power of the gold piece will have to go up slightly since gold drops got nerfed too. For those of us sitting on a few million this is gravy for those of you wanting to get into farming to get a fat stack well this is a pretty bad time to start. Established farmers will not feel the sting nearly as bad but people looking to get into it or those who don't have a minimum of 300K to offset the cost of keys, kits and UW and FOW access will definately get the shaft here.

Cher_Lindrea

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mature Gaming Association

Mo/

As a pretty casual gamer, this change is really disappointing to me. Having recently had a baby, I have very little time to play (ie: I'm even MORE casual than I was before). Solo farming was nice for me because I could afk as much as I needed to without making people wait on me and I could accomplish something (even if it's just amassing a small amount of wealth), in a short period of time. I need something I can do without a group and be able to be off the computer if need be within 20 mins or so. Solo farming was perfect for this.

With this "no grind," "made for casual gamers" game, I don't have time to play or accomplish anything. I won't be buying any more GW titles. I'm not being drastic or throwing a hissy fit. I'm just being realistic. ANet really need to rethink its understanding of the word casual. Just because, unlike other games, a "raid" takes only 2 hours instead of 8, doesn't mean it's casual.. it's just less insanely unrealistic than other games.

What I really don't understand is: it's not like everyone isn't capable of solo farming if they desire. It doesn't make the game unfair to anyone to allow it, so why is ANet trying to force their ideas of how to have fun on the players? As people have pointed out, it's not going to stop the wealth accumulated by bots. It's just taking away an aspect of the game that some real people enjoy. One can't really, viably use the argument that they are trying to encourage group play when heroes are now in the game.

hida

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

I've never complained about any of the other changes so far but this is just stupid. I'm in a guild and I do play with guildies from time to time, but a lot of the time I play alone. Playing with henchies have always been worse than playing with other players and now soloing has been nerfed as well.

I really don't like the idea of sitting around for hours to wait for a decent guild team/pug. I hear enough complaints about that from all the WoW players at work. I play guildwars to actually play the game and sit around waiting to play and I really like the fact that I can play the game when we can't assemble a decent guild team.

Please anet - fix this.

A Leprechaun

A Leprechaun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Why do Anet not like farming again, I just realised that i have always taken it as red that they do but never known why, also i dont farm that much but, after comleting all campaigns, getting bored of PvP and having lvl 20 characters of the classes i want, I am bored of the game all im doing to pass the time until GW II is farming to get my warriors more sets of 15k and i dont even farm that much. now after this i may not bother playing and mabye i wont buy GW II....

~A Leprechaun~

Dogma Blutlust

Dogma Blutlust

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Germany...

W/

hey

bad update imo..
im treasure hunter 6 and the lock pick retain about each third usage
that means:
3x1.500g=4.500
~4-5 usages -> 900g/key..
not RLY bad but a little

in HM the chests drop more gold items imo
(ran in tyria desert and northern shiver a 7:1 gold/purp ration (thats nice))

i think only thing 4 making many money is powertrading and chestrun atm

regards

pug_ster

pug_ster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

I dunno

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeph
Farming is in no way dead, not by any means.

In 10mins, while having a quick test of hard mode in my lunch break, 3 of us made 100k between us. If farming being dead = 100k in 10mins between 3, then that's fine with me.

There are so many things which are good about this update and I'm looking forward to farming more than ever. Question. How did you made 33k in 10 minutes?

kosh

kosh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

hydrponic agriculture society [Herb]

Mo/

hmm... go anet !!

gates of krtya: hard mode


anot to much in gold (314) but look at that bow woot!!
locked chest was carp.
but nice items, did also sanctum cay... died in the process (seem to bit not that easy for 55 not to stay alive, some e mange is req more then before. getting 1 foe alive can kill u more then ever due the lack of energy.)

anyhow seems ok to me for now, lots of great drops mobs that used to be lvl3 are now lvl 22!!! fun for the whole family.

AscalonWarrior

AscalonWarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kokkola, Finland

Mo/

Yeah Hard Mode is great for farming, Farmed Sunqua Vale (yes.. Sunqua Vale) with my Ranger and got few decent drops, I don't think that "Loot now scales according to party size" update affected to Hard mode (since every mob dropped something). So everyone, go to farm to HM

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirit Cookie
Anet thanks for ruining Guild Wars.
Youre loosing one good player, you nerfed the solo players after a bunch of kids cryed cause they cant solo and stuff.Im going back to d2 lod cause after what u did to gw...diablo is god for it.Now i see i wasted my money witch i could use to play WoW ar any other games.Also i wont buy gw:en cause im quitting.

Im sure im not the only 1 who's quitting. New titles, harder enemys, bigger rewards, what do u need more? And who cares about you? or who leave because they cant adapt to the new system? It seems you are the crying kid now, ty for leaving..

Sensual_Angel

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

D/Mo

Quote:
And who cares about you? or who leave because they cant adapt to the new system? Pretty much to the point, lol. Seems A-net doesn't care about it's customers anymore.

Kool Pajamas

Kool Pajamas

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

Bye bye farm wars hello guild wars. finally.

ArKaiN

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Lotus Branca[Lbr]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensual_Angel
Pretty much to the point, lol. Seems A-net doesn't care about it's customers anymore. no, "lol".
It seems anet listens to their clients and is making the game more party-pased, and not the non-multiplayer RPG it is for some people.
Who among us haven't heard "This sucks, I completed 5 missions with heroes and had no fun" or something to that effect?
They're pushing farming in parties and PLAYING the game instead of being a human bot. Is that a bad thing?

lennymon

lennymon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Seattle

Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

riiiight
Yaknow, the *only* reason I ever started solo farming was because I was bored. Hard mode way more than adequately replaces that... So for any of you that are leaving, can I have all your stuff?

Tannim

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Yeah, the main reason for guild wars were the instance areas to prevent pkers,and loot stealers. Now, AN decided to go along the lines of CM and screw over the whole game. They might as well get rid of the instances part of the game.

scottbigboy

scottbigboy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Rose

R/Mo

Ok i think alot of people are missing the point here.
This is not about solo`ers v team players
I am an avid guild wars fan and have been playing since it was 1st released, i have 8 chars and have got them through all 3 campaigns and they all have the prof elites so i`m not adverse to team missions etc,,
But i also love to farm solo .

Now the point is ask yourself WHY MAKE SUCH A FUNDEMENTAL CHANGE to gws after 3 campaigns( funny as gw2 around the corner), after all its been 2 years weve all been soloing now.

The point is after 2 years nearly of playing guild wars i`m now being told how to play the game ( which now is fairly 1 dimensional i,e, pug play or guild play in teams) I`f id have known this b4 factions/nightfall i would have seriously considered not purchasing them.

So basically whether u like team play or like soloing anet have taken the CHOICE factor out of the game .
And just to confirm i like both styles of gameplay so i`m not here to justify one way or the other i`m just letting my opinion known.
I for one will not be purchasing gwen if this stays the same, and no matter what u say about better drops hard mode etc i`ve tried it, and i hate the idea of spending hours upon hrs looking for a decent pug group only to fail at the final hurdle, at least b4 i could take a break and go soloing

And there will be without doubt alot people not agreeing saying well good riddance to me but hey it seems that i`m not alone and if we all go that can only have a detremental effect on guild wars so i do hope for the sake of guild wars this problem is resolved because while most of us have been hooked on gws for the last 2 years there have been and will be others games coming out.........

Gredinus

Gredinus

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/Me

Umm they are, with GW2.

Zabe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

In world with nothing to do except poker

W/Rt

Well, from my part my Guild Wars playing just got lacked nearly 40 hours per week or something. Two things I do in game is farm titangems with margrid and GvG. They took the first one off. You kill 14 mobs in that 2-3 minutes and get 4 items (those 100g stacks counted in for that), allways.

I already thought that ectos will go up, high. End game armors, obsidian armors and tormented items will be really hard to get. Ofcourse this might make bigger parties more popular, but to be honest, it won't be farming anymore then.

I used to farm a lot of that margonite + titan group in foundry, farmed over 7 million xp, 20k lightbringer points and 2 armbraces.

Still in my opinion, theres no reason to do this kind of nerf.

Update was perfect to me otherwise. PvE side of GW has been like running from place A to place B forever, hard mode brought a good choice for those old underworld, DoA, urgoz, deep and fow.

scottbigboy

scottbigboy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Rose

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gredinus
Umm they are, with GW2. I agree so maybe thats why anet eventually will spoil gws completely but hey thats just life and its only a game right :P

Badboy Thrasher

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

New Dragons [NDR]

Mo/

IMO bad change - farming was nerfed enough as it was...Have to give up on the dream on Obsidian armor, anet just killed a part of me

Gredinus

Gredinus

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/Me

Anet did say that they will support GW1 as long as ppl play it.
This statement + this nerf = they are trying to get rid of us.

Dinkytowner

Dinkytowner

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/

Wow and I thought the 6v6 vs 8v8 whining was bad.

Go play the game. They increased the value of the drops in normal party sizes so in theory you should get better crap when you're just running around killing stuff. There are screenies all over the forums of ppl getting tons of loot just working on the vanquisher title track. Stop QQing and play... Or leave. Click on over to the HoH forum and see how much they care if ppl threaten to leave the game. They got your money, deal with the changes or stop wasting your time grinding.

Dusk_

Dusk_

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinkytowner
Wow and I thought the 6v6 vs 8v8 whining was bad.

Go play the game. They increased the value of the drops in normal party sizes so in theory you should get better crap when you're just running around killing stuff. There are screenies all over the forums of ppl getting tons of loot just working on the vanquisher title track. Stop QQing and play... Or leave. Click on over to the HoH forum and see how much they care if ppl threaten to leave the game. They got your money, deal with the changes or stop wasting your time grinding. Guess what, farming is still playing the game. Time you realized that. Otherwise 1 person parties wouldn't be allowed.

And "tons of loot" with the vanquisher title? Increased value? All of those screenshots show crap that's barely twice the normal "playing" drops. Cashflow = 1/8th of what it was before, and Hard Mode made it 1/4. Yes, everyone should be very happy about this...

keli

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Budapest

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusk_
Guess what, farming is still playing the game. Time you realized that. Otherwise 1 person parties wouldn't be allowed.

And "tons of loot" with the vanquisher title? Increased value? All of those screenshots show crap that's barely twice the normal "playing" drops. Cashflow = 1/8th of what it was before, and Hard Mode made it 1/4. Yes, everyone should be very happy about this...
You can still farm with heroes, just flag them near the wall and go..

ArKaiN

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Lotus Branca[Lbr]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by keli
You can still farm with heroes, just flag them near the wall and go.. doesn't work.

aindrei

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Sky

R/Mo

Something is wrong with this game. Why would you want to annoy your players like this? Maybe they would care more if there was a montly fee.

I am a casual player and I really hate these anti farming changes. I don't really believe GW has a farming problem. If something isn't broken don't fix it.

I bought 2 campains but this is the end. No more money from me ANet.

LifesRestorer

LifesRestorer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

London, England

Mo/

i think this change is a way to make people play in groups. before people didnt because they wouldnt get drops. complaining about not getting rich because you cant get an 8man group is stupid, you havnet seen how things will work. people will be forced to play in groups, bringing back the spirit of team play.

imo, this is a good change. GG anet

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahn Roi
Solo farmers will be hurting, but 4-man farming groups will still see action me thinks. I have done well atleast 1 run in the UW with 4 pll in a trapping group.I got really nothing except a few golds and white this before the Update it was on the free Weekend to the UW and FoW.I will just say this is is going to take me a lot longer to get my Monks FoW armour and other armours for my other chars.My sore rear.

jbwarrior

jbwarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Netherlands

W/

The Locked Chest, drop pretty good 5/1--> Gold wins from purple

I think that this update is also good, now you can finally find a party and maybe you can clear out al of UW or FOW, or what area you want into hard mode.
I did a solo (E/Me from koning's build) smite run in normal mode and had no drops, no ecto's no golds, no purple. I had a total of 345G and after selling some stuff to the merchant I came at 542G . I tried it into hard mode---> indeed it's hard those Bladed (lvl32) has a speed boost i quess, but i managed to kill 1 group of Grasp (lvl30), had a gold war axe (req12) , after that i got killed. So solo is NOT dead if you solo in HM, otherwise try some old places with a full group of heroes/hench and flag them out of side (grey area)--> like more ppl said.

Happy Farming

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas
Bye bye farm wars hello guild wars. finally. Are you kidding me? LoL. This is a windfall for farmers, they just don't realize it yet. If you think prices and farming was bad prior to this then wait till you see what happens when the supply shrinks down to a negligible level due to increased drop rarity. Unfortunately, as I've been saying, the only people this really effects are people who are already struggling with the current price system. Those of us with loot will only see our buying power increase and any farming we do will become more profitable since I can now justify charging twice the normal price for an item based simply upon its increased rarity. Demand for the farmed items has not decreased. All the little grubby fingered wannahaves still wanna have it. The only thing they have done, economically speaking, is take those hard to get items and put them up on a higher shelf.

Kas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

I feel pity for those that have the strong belief that now all of a sudden all the farmers will "repent" and return to full parties. Are you really that naive? Well I fear you are but there might stll be hope.
Most farmers had specifically raised characters for the sole purpose of farming. In fact many of the 55 HP Monks never had more skills than their typical skillset. Well I think I should really join PUGs now. With a 55 HP Setup. And if they complain I'll just point at them and tell them "your doing". Sounds like griefing? Sure is. Just as much as people plopping into this thread, bashing all farmers simply because daddy (A-Net) gave them the wrong sign.

I don't even care if farming was an unintended way to play the game. All I care for is that it was a fun way to play. And if something unintended is more fun to many players than the actual game, well you know.. it's not the fault of the unintended flaw but the more than shallow gaming experience otherwise.
Any company that deliberately and intentionally removes huge heaps of fun from their game just to cater to some drop dead broken ideal (aka communism) is completely ouf of their mind. A-Net has a happy history of removing things that people consider fun for the sake of... who really knows. Atleast they don't discriminate. PVP gets f*cked, PVE gets f*cked likewise. Critics about the fubars are ignored and later on even downright mocked with statemens like "majority of forum posts was veeeeryyyy happy with the change" which can be quite easily proven nonsense by looking into the threads concerning the matter.

scottbigboy

scottbigboy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Rose

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinkytowner
Wow and I thought the 6v6 vs 8v8 whining was bad.

Go play the game. They increased the value of the drops in normal party sizes so in theory you should get better crap when you're just running around killing stuff. There are screenies all over the forums of ppl getting tons of loot just working on the vanquisher title track. Stop QQing and play... Or leave. Click on over to the HoH forum and see how much they care if ppl threaten to leave the game. They got your money, deal with the changes or stop wasting your time grinding.
If u had`nt noticed dinkywinky this is the farming section and i take it a section of the game u don`t agree with ,well thats fine but please don`t come in here and slate us farmers for a part of the game we love.
And if u bothered to read this thread about peoples concerns u would realise its about more than just some people getting gold drops (in groups of i i hastened to add).

Oh and what do we care about hoh, what percentage of gws players do u think play hoh over say pve.

So really if u don`t have a valid point apart from having a dig at genuine people who pay money to enjoy something for having a valid gripe then please keeps your opinions to yourself ty