The latest uproar over the updates to farming and Hard Mode has been amazing. The community has opined about the effects on the economy, made threats about leaving the game for good and making bots, criticised Anet's seeming disregard for player farmers, especially casual farmers; and some have applauded this solo-farming 'nerf' as a positive step towards crippling professional farmers and promoting grouping.
And then, we have the 20th April update, and I think some of us ought to be ashamed for the rudeness and anger and impatience we have displayed.
To Anet, thank you for listening, we appreciate your openness to player opinions and concerns for both PvP and PvE, your commitment to the game, the two-way communication (listening to our whines, amassing feedback and votes, and explaining the rationale behind game changes) you have forged between the player base and the development team.
To fellow players, let us continue to offer feedback in the most constructive, articulate and respectful way possible. This will allow our ideas and suggestions to be more effectively and positively received by the development team. It'll be win-win this way.
Most importantly, let us continue to enjoy this wonderful game, a game that was created from powerful ideas (no monthly fees, instances), and a game that is maintained at high standards by a great staff who make use of one of the most powerful human faculties -- listening.
Thank You For Listening
arcant
Forjo
As someone who complained (though not rudely), I thought it only fair that I weigh in. This is a good thread to do so.
Thank you Anet for listening to your customers.
Now please continue to listen. You hold up trading to other players as one of the key points of the latest changes. The community has been asking for an effective trade system since the game began.
Please listen.
Thanks again for the un-nerf.
-Forjo
Thank you Anet for listening to your customers.
Now please continue to listen. You hold up trading to other players as one of the key points of the latest changes. The community has been asking for an effective trade system since the game began.
Please listen.
Thanks again for the un-nerf.
-Forjo
Bowman Artemis
Just remember boys, "OMFG TIHS SUXXOR I LEVE NOW KKTHXBAI [email protected]!" isn't constructive criticism.
Other than that, praise Anet!
Other than that, praise Anet!
linh
There are always complain whenever a new update comes out despite how it is. So I expect a thread with something like " Knight Armor sucks, I'm gonna quit the game." etc..
Dmitri
Thanks Anet! Though I did complain on the other thread..though not rudely, I do think it's important to acknowlege that they did listen. Though farming is still not as lucrative as it used to be, it is much better than it was with yesterday's update. I am willing to go half way since Anet did and I think the changes are acceptable. Thanks again for listening and making this game so enjoyable for everyone, now including people who like to solo.
Halmyr
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Originally Posted by linh
There are always complain whenever a new update comes out despite how it is. So I expect a thread with something like " Knight Armor sucks, I'm gonna quit the game." etc..
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I'm made a whol post about itGreat update (yesterday and today) GW is that much more enjoyable for me
rohara
yes! much thanks for correcting the loot scaling issues! had me worried there for a while XD
have some cookies
aw what the heck...have some milk too
have some cookies
aw what the heck...have some milk too
Jecht Scye
Thank you Anet. I believe this is a very effective idea for halting solo-farming builds. This content is a great addition to the game, and allows me to replay prophecies all over again with a challenge this time. Need I remind people that this is free content that they didn't have to add in, and was basically for the love of their fans.
ArKaiN
Woah, they do actually listen. I'm very, very positively surprised.
And btw, you just sold a gazillion copies of GW:EN.
And btw, you just sold a gazillion copies of GW:EN.
Str0b0
Ok so now basically white and purple items and gold are the only drops that scale....why did they even bother with the update? Way to whine people. Now everything is worthless again. Boo at Anet for caving in.
manitoba1073
Yes but if noone complained this new update would never have happened.
Zappa
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Originally Posted by Forjo
As someone who complained (though not rudely), I thought it only fair that I weigh in. This is a good thread to do so.
Thank you Anet for listening to your customers. Now please continue to listen. You hold up trading to other players as one of the key points of the latest changes. The community has been asking for an effective trade system since the game began. Please listen. Thanks again for the un-nerf. -Forjo |
Thanks for listening, Arena Net.
Mercury Angel
Arena Net isn't perfect, and does things that I consider not just dislikeable, but right out mistakes at times.
However, I don't expect anyone to be perfect, nor to always share the same vision of where things should go that I do, so it doesn't bother me too much really.
Anet has made numerous additions to the game over time that show clear input from the community, both now, and in the past. Having played since before the official release of Guild Wars, I can say this with certainty.
For this, a hearty thanks and congratulations are definitely not amiss. I don't have as much time or desire to play as I used to, but I still feel that every chapter I purchased was well worth the time I played.
However, I don't expect anyone to be perfect, nor to always share the same vision of where things should go that I do, so it doesn't bother me too much really.
Anet has made numerous additions to the game over time that show clear input from the community, both now, and in the past. Having played since before the official release of Guild Wars, I can say this with certainty.
For this, a hearty thanks and congratulations are definitely not amiss. I don't have as much time or desire to play as I used to, but I still feel that every chapter I purchased was well worth the time I played.
Sabor_Wolf
The community seems divided on the subject, I thought it was a horrible change at first, when HM came out, and it was. It punished Botters (Woohooo!) but also legit people who just want to go out, and maybe get a lucky drop, and not worry about a full group and their already 1 in 8 chance of getting anything, if it drops at all..
now, I see almost no change in drop rate from before the update, except white items and gold coins seem to drop less, which means Botters suffer, and everyone still has almost the same drop rates as they did before -- how can anyone complain about that?
now, I see almost no change in drop rate from before the update, except white items and gold coins seem to drop less, which means Botters suffer, and everyone still has almost the same drop rates as they did before -- how can anyone complain about that?
Kaleban
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Originally Posted by Jecht Scye
Thank you Anet. I believe this is a very effective idea for halting solo-farming builds. This content is a great addition to the game, and allows me to replay prophecies all over again with a challenge this time. Need I remind people that this is free content that they didn't have to add in, and was basically for the love of their fans.
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Different economic model.
Pay-to-Play = small monthly fee, over time adds up.
GW = no monthly fee, but consistent campaigns and expansion, over time, adds up.
Over the course of a year, its hard to tell which one makes more money. But the updates and such (especially the most recent one, along with some of the PR comments) are not "for the love of the fans" otherwise as one poster suggested, they'd at least ask before implementing changes as to the general player opinion. They're not free because the cost of developing them is calculated into the sales figures of the game and expansions.
Also, these add-ins are probably a necessity to maintain long term interest in an MMO, to make sure that come EN and 2, there is enough of a sales base to justify the costs. While the developers may indeed like SOME of their fans
Having said that, doing a retraction (a de-facto admission of being wrong) is not fun, or easy, and for that, I applaud ANet for doing so. As Mercury said, Anet has implemented changes gleaned from community ideas, and for that they deserve recognition, very few game companies do that, at least to large extents, like Valve.
kumarshah
Thank you ANet for listening to the Veterans.
Another Thanks for ignoring us new people.
Another Thanks for ignoring us new people.
Crotalus
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Originally Posted by kumarshah
Thank you ANet for listening to the Veterans.
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....And for that, Thank You Arenanet.
kumarshah
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Originally Posted by Crotalus
Well it did send a message to the new players that solo farming is the only way Guild Wars should be played.
....And for that, Thank You Arenanet. |
Arduin
Indeed, thanks for listening to the community Arenanet
Synles Chyld
Thank You A-net and Gaile for coming to our aid and hearing this out and the update is perfect i love the way u did things this is like heaven and will put one hell of a damper on the dam bots (may they burn in hell) my only concern now (u can ask my fiance i been sayin this to her for over a yr now that u guys was gonna do this soon plz dont let me down) is all this trading already has the first 3 districts in any major town so clogget with trade chat in trade and all channels that u cant even read it its spammed so fast plz plz plz we really need an aution house and some type of personal (shop) system implemented now in order to make ur update stand the test of time ...u say u want us to trade our farmed items ...well now we need an aution/shop sytem to better do so ....
I LOVE YOU GW!!!
I LOVE YOU GW!!!
Granamyr
How can we trust you ANet? It's not as if this update is anything new in terms of your attitude towards farmers, it was just the one that went too far. I'm more inclined to believe that "the number guys in suits" made the call for the semi-retraction than the developers or Gaile.
Matter of fact, I'm skeptical that the retraction was even made! Sure you "said" you were going to change the drop rate back to normal but you also "said" that you're not against farming and every major update since release has been aimed at crippling farming.
Also, why are we all smiling that ANet realized their error and chose to fix only part of the problem they caused? It's not really good news if your doctor first tells you that you have AIDS but comes back a day later and tells you not to worry, you just have cancer.....especially if the doctor was the one that injected you with both.
Guild Wars cheated on a lot of us and didn't even apologize or atone for it. It's a trust issue now and I'll only be forgiving once they look to make full amends, not these silly half-measures that seem to have pacified the lot of you.
Matter of fact, I'm skeptical that the retraction was even made! Sure you "said" you were going to change the drop rate back to normal but you also "said" that you're not against farming and every major update since release has been aimed at crippling farming.
Also, why are we all smiling that ANet realized their error and chose to fix only part of the problem they caused? It's not really good news if your doctor first tells you that you have AIDS but comes back a day later and tells you not to worry, you just have cancer.....especially if the doctor was the one that injected you with both.
Guild Wars cheated on a lot of us and didn't even apologize or atone for it. It's a trust issue now and I'll only be forgiving once they look to make full amends, not these silly half-measures that seem to have pacified the lot of you.
Draxanoth
Listening and doing what exactly?
DoA was pretty lame, now all they've done is make DoA everywhere and take away pretty much any method of acquiring high end armor. I myself don't consider that fun. I feel bad for all the people who were in the process of saving for their armor.
I have a tidy sum stashed for GW:EN, but I still loved farming for no real reason. It's like solving a puzzle, how to get the most out of your effort. Why people started posting builds after spending the time solving them I will never understand. Now killing 80 margonites yields 3 whites and a pile of 50 gold. We have PVP, PVE missions and quests with generic garbage rewards, then title grinding.... "yay". I really wanna spend 800 hours clearing every last mob in every zone when half of them can single shot a monk.
They didn't really improve the AI. They gave them full skill sets and jacked up their level. People are impressed with spiking for some reason, all they do is make them pick a single target. That's not revolutionary. Our heroes still charge head on into a pack of 50 mobs like Braveheart.
This isn't a new experience, it's the same boring one that DoA presented. It doesn't feel fun anymore, it feels like work. If I wanted to work, I'd get paid for it. I think it's time for a new game.
DoA was pretty lame, now all they've done is make DoA everywhere and take away pretty much any method of acquiring high end armor. I myself don't consider that fun. I feel bad for all the people who were in the process of saving for their armor.
I have a tidy sum stashed for GW:EN, but I still loved farming for no real reason. It's like solving a puzzle, how to get the most out of your effort. Why people started posting builds after spending the time solving them I will never understand. Now killing 80 margonites yields 3 whites and a pile of 50 gold. We have PVP, PVE missions and quests with generic garbage rewards, then title grinding.... "yay". I really wanna spend 800 hours clearing every last mob in every zone when half of them can single shot a monk.
They didn't really improve the AI. They gave them full skill sets and jacked up their level. People are impressed with spiking for some reason, all they do is make them pick a single target. That's not revolutionary. Our heroes still charge head on into a pack of 50 mobs like Braveheart.
This isn't a new experience, it's the same boring one that DoA presented. It doesn't feel fun anymore, it feels like work. If I wanted to work, I'd get paid for it. I think it's time for a new game.
Terra Xin
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Originally Posted by Granamyr
How can we trust you ANet? It's not as if this update is anything new in terms of your attitude towards farmers, it was just the one that went too far. I'm more inclined to believe that "the number guys in suits" made the call for the semi-retraction than the developers or Gaile.
Matter of fact, I'm skeptical that the retraction was even made! Sure you "said" you were going to change the drop rate back to normal but you also "said" that you're not against farming and every major update since release has been aimed at crippling farming. Also, why are we all smiling that ANet realized their error and chose to fix only part of the problem they caused? It's not really good news if your doctor first tells you that you have AIDS but comes back a day later and tells you not to worry, you just have cancer.....especially if the doctor was the one that injected you with both. Guild Wars cheated on a lot of us and didn't even apologize or atone for it. It's a trust issue now and I'll only be forgiving once they look to make full amends, not these silly half-measures that seem to have pacified the lot of you. |
Hard Mode was supposed to be an implementation so that the overall population could better enjoy the game - which I can agree to because I like Hard Mode. Unfortunately, a lot of farmers who disapproved of the idea have talented posting skills... The latest update was solely for them simply because they made the effort to voice their opinion (or threat thereof) to have the change made. So in that perspective, Anet have ears. It might not be something to show-off, but it's a feature a lot of MMO's don't have.
You don't need to trust Anet, not at all. You just need to make sure that you're having fun playing their game. If you're not, then voice-up and say so. What you don't do is make baseless accusations towards a company who know more about their own business than you do.
reetkever
Having complained alot (well I'm not banned so I don;t think I did anything too bad ^^), I say sorry and thanks, Anet
You really proved me wrong about the farming issue, and finally we know the long-unknown secret evil reasons of the farm nerfs.
Even though I'm not 100% happy, you tried, and you can't make everyone happy so... gj
You really proved me wrong about the farming issue, and finally we know the long-unknown secret evil reasons of the farm nerfs.
Even though I'm not 100% happy, you tried, and you can't make everyone happy so... gj
Thomas Aralias
This is why I have been a loyal customer the past 2 years. When something that goes wrong, you guys listen and understand the consumer's point of view. Thanks for making Guild Wars one of the best gaming experiences of my life.
Sincerely,
Thomas Aralias
Sincerely,
Thomas Aralias
Akaraxle
Congrats on successfully bending ANet to your will, boys. Can you teach us how you did it, so next time a new Ritualist class pops up in PvP we can get it fixed in a matter of hours?
2ane
thank you for making the game awesome for one day, im sad you gave in to the whining
ellandra
I think this is a positive improvement on the update from yesterday.
Unfortunately some people will never be happy and i've already been witness to a few people complaining that this isn't exactly what they want. I don't think some people realise what a delicate balance it is to cripple the people abusing things and still allow your everyday gamer to achieve what they want.
Unfortunately some people will never be happy and i've already been witness to a few people complaining that this isn't exactly what they want. I don't think some people realise what a delicate balance it is to cripple the people abusing things and still allow your everyday gamer to achieve what they want.
2ane
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Originally Posted by ellandra
I think this is a positive improvement on the update from yesterday.
Unfortunately some people will never be happy and i've already been witness to a few people complaining that this isn't exactly what they want. I don't think some people realise what a delicate balance it is to cripple the people abusing things and still allow your everyday gamer to achieve what they want. |
ellandra
Shrug.. like i say, delicate balance... Nothing will be best for everyone
Marth Reynolds
Thanks for listening, i apreciate it and i know a lot of others do as well.
Chill out, Greetz from Marth
Chill out, Greetz from Marth
Renegade26
Too much damage from Kournans. Party wipes from Meteors, Lt Kayin kills in one spell. Lame isnt fun, please make caps of damage.
4321
don't know why you're all so happy. in the end, all they did was make all the white, blue, and purple drops almost as rare as getting a gold or dye.
you think botters are the only ones who farm for collectables, salvage items, and gold? jeez, real smart.
you think botters are the only ones who farm for collectables, salvage items, and gold? jeez, real smart.
reetkever
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Originally Posted by 4321
don't know why you're all so happy. in the end, all they did was make all the white, blue, and purple drops almost as rare as getting a gold or dye.
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They improved stuff for farmers, but not (yet) for the casual player that farms to provide himself with the basic equipment. Ohh, and they'll never stop bots, unless they stop nerfing the reasons, and start looking on how to recognise bots.
My idea for bots is: Find routines in the troll cave that go on and on and on and on. 200 people walking the EXACT same route, stopping at the EXACT same places and doing the EXACT same things at the EXACT same time are most likely bots. How about letting a warning pop up for these at random places on the screen, and if they don't click it, they get banned.
If someone happens to follow the EXACT same routine as a bot by accident (can't see how that could happen, though :P), he can still press on 'ok' for the warning, and confirm he's a real player.
Mr_Cynical
Congrats to Anet for listening (and averting the seemingly neverending spike in Ecto prices, among other things). Whether this update is enough to restore the game for casual players who farm occasionally remains to be seen. If you'll excuse me I have an appointment with some trolls
Inari
Toda A-net
And for everyone who was against this, just start farming once in while, its easy and doable just as the pro farmer.
And for everyone who was against this, just start farming once in while, its easy and doable just as the pro farmer.
Mr_Cynical
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My idea for bots is: Find routines in the troll cave that go on and on and on and on. 200 people walking the EXACT same route, stopping at the EXACT same places and doing the EXACT same things at the EXACT same time are most likely bots. How about letting a warning pop up for these at random places on the screen, and if they don't click it, they get banned.
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Wouldn't it be more simple (and less likely to affect innocent players) for Anet to do what other online game companies (e.g. Blizzard) do with the 'bot problem' - catch the bots and ban them? Or go on to a gold purchasing site, make a puchase (just chargeback to get the money back from them later) and then ban whoever turns up to give them the gold?
Granamyr
I don't care about bots. They don't bother me and I don't bother them. Can we please move past this mentality that it is OK to punish the masses just because of the few. How much have we all had to endure in this never-ending quest to eliminate something that has relatively no impact on the rest of us.
More related to the topic, please give me an instance in another part of your life whereby someone does wrong, doesn't apologize and only goes halfway towards resolving the problem they caused and you gush and thank them for it?
If the IRS screws a bunch of people out of $100 and then finally has to give in because of all the complaints but only gives you back $50, would you thank them?
Tell me again how this is not some guy in a suit seeing the bottom line numbers (ie sales) decreasing and thus making the call to reverse the "update"? Sure the community has influence but the suits are the ones being influenced and they're calling the shots. Do us both a favor and come up with a reason for why you chose to quote my entire post and then write 3 paragraphs that have nothing to do with it.
More related to the topic, please give me an instance in another part of your life whereby someone does wrong, doesn't apologize and only goes halfway towards resolving the problem they caused and you gush and thank them for it?
If the IRS screws a bunch of people out of $100 and then finally has to give in because of all the complaints but only gives you back $50, would you thank them?
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Orbberius
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Originally Posted by Crotalus
Well it did send a message to the new players that solo farming is the only way Guild Wars should be played.
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/sarcasm
Buzzer
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Originally Posted by Renegade26
Too much damage from Kournans. Party wipes from Meteors, Lt Kayin kills in one spell. Lame isnt fun, please make caps of damage.
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