Thank you again!
Thank You For Listening
Predator [CD]
Thanks A-Net for listening us! I'm glad to see what you understand what 1000s oа ppl very like farming. They don't want to buy gold for real money, they just want to farm it, and have fun
Thank you again!
Thank you again!
Poison Ivy
Very nice job suckering most of the GW pop with this hard mode.
(Seriously though, this is a pure compliment towards you, some how you made a miracle)
This is a random praise thread towards the update right
(Seriously though, this is a pure compliment towards you, some how you made a miracle)
This is a random praise thread towards the update right
Shadow Kurd
Tnx for the great game 
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Very nice job suckering most of the GW pop with this hard mode.
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Kia Lobeli
Why are "Casual" farmers thanking Anet for anything? They still have nerfed drops on whites, blues, purples, collectables, salvagable items, materials and coin drops. If you're only a "Casual" farmer and don't have hours to stand in a trade city spamming WTS WTS WTS, then these are quite likely a large source of your income.
Xenrath
It's disappointing Anet caved in so very quickly to the single player whiners. This must be the fastest change back I've seen (in PvE) in almost 2 years.
It's a pity more wasn't done to instead properly reward teamplay. Sadly the single player mentality has been growing for many, many months and now it seems to be the norm. I'd like to have seen something which didn't penalise people's play styles (either way) but at least properly rewarded teamplay... which is what is lacking these days. Oh well, pity single player people don't stay offline where they belong. Flame all you like, I'm tired of seeing the once great coop game I liked a lot turned into "single player with optional coop" it is today. Thanks for listening to single player whiners over the months.
It's a pity more wasn't done to instead properly reward teamplay. Sadly the single player mentality has been growing for many, many months and now it seems to be the norm. I'd like to have seen something which didn't penalise people's play styles (either way) but at least properly rewarded teamplay... which is what is lacking these days. Oh well, pity single player people don't stay offline where they belong. Flame all you like, I'm tired of seeing the once great coop game I liked a lot turned into "single player with optional coop" it is today. Thanks for listening to single player whiners over the months.
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No, it's a thank you from "casual" solo-farmers for Anet bending over.
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It's disappointing Anet caved in so very quickly to the single player whiners. This must be the fastest change back I've seen (in PvE) in almost 2 years.
It's a pity more wasn't done to instead properly reward teamplay. Sadly the single player mentality has been growing for many, many months and now it seems to be the norm. I'd like to have seen something which didn't penalise people's play styles (either way) but at least properly rewarded teamplay... which is what is lacking these days. Oh well, pity single player people don't stay offline where they belong. Flame all you like, I'm tired of seeing the once great coop game I liked a lot turned into "single player with optional coop" it is today. Thanks for listening to single player whiners over the months. |
I for one will never understand the need of some people, ESPECIALLY in games with an RPG slant to them, which are designed from the ground up to allow players the freedom to play HOW THEY CHOOSE, to tell others how they should or should not play the game.
Especially when the only impacts it has (such as lowering the price of greens across the board, you can thank us A/E soloers for that) are generally liked by the playing community.
Sad and pathetic isn't it? The attitude that you or someone has the "right way to play" and everyone else must conform to it. Especially in a game with 10 different classes and over 1000 unique skills...
lacasner
Anet this update was awsome GG.
darted
I also, admire your continued support and enhancements of the game.
Thank you for listening and while I may not agree with everything you change. I also really enjoy this game over many others (and I like to play several games - no all MMOPG)
Keep up the good work and thank you for listening on the drop issue. I would like to believe it was a bug that got through QA
Thank you for listening and while I may not agree with everything you change. I also really enjoy this game over many others (and I like to play several games - no all MMOPG)
Keep up the good work and thank you for listening on the drop issue. I would like to believe it was a bug that got through QA
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Messy
I have been playing since May 2005. 2 accounts and over 4000 hrs of play. I consider myself a GW addict. I enjoy playing with friends, guildies, although I admit I am not overall looking forward to playing with pugs. I also enjoy playing solo builds. It's a challenge, it's fun, I have equipped my heroes with the greens I want. Soloing has not made me a millionaire, it has just allowed me to get things I wanted : armor, runes, greens, ectos...
When months ago the 55 nerf came about, the first one, I was not very happy but I moved on, I didn't complain. When the second biggest solo nerf came out with the adjusted AI and foes scattering, I was not very happy but I moved on , I didn't complain. When all different skill nerfs came about, some times I wasn't too happy, but I moved on, and never complained. I love this game THAT much.
Yesterday, I was stunned and pretty angry. I loved or looked forward to 95% of the update, but it was all ruined because all I could think about was the solo drop rate nerf. I still didn't complain, but I was very serisouly considering it. For the first time since I started playing, I was really disappointed with ANET.
So ANET, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! I can now play the game the way I like to play it, with my friends, or alone if that's what I chose. Oh, and I can now REJOICE with the elite skill title split, WHOOO HOOOO, I no longer feel like a Dork for going after a non-maxable title, now it's campaign specific!!!
oh snap wait a minute, I am a Dork, oh well...
thanks again,
have fun everybody!!
When months ago the 55 nerf came about, the first one, I was not very happy but I moved on, I didn't complain. When the second biggest solo nerf came out with the adjusted AI and foes scattering, I was not very happy but I moved on , I didn't complain. When all different skill nerfs came about, some times I wasn't too happy, but I moved on, and never complained. I love this game THAT much.
Yesterday, I was stunned and pretty angry. I loved or looked forward to 95% of the update, but it was all ruined because all I could think about was the solo drop rate nerf. I still didn't complain, but I was very serisouly considering it. For the first time since I started playing, I was really disappointed with ANET.
So ANET, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! I can now play the game the way I like to play it, with my friends, or alone if that's what I chose. Oh, and I can now REJOICE with the elite skill title split, WHOOO HOOOO, I no longer feel like a Dork for going after a non-maxable title, now it's campaign specific!!!
oh snap wait a minute, I am a Dork, oh well...
thanks again,
have fun everybody!!
jon0592
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Thank You A-net and Gaile for coming to our aid and hearing this out and the update is perfect i love the way u did things this is like heaven and will put one hell of a damper on the dam bots (may they burn in hell) my only concern now (u can ask my fiance i been sayin this to her for over a yr now that u guys was gonna do this soon plz dont let me down) is all this trading already has the first 3 districts in any major town so clogget with trade chat in trade and all channels that u cant even read it its spammed so fast plz plz plz we really need an aution house and some type of personal (shop) system implemented now in order to make ur update stand the test of time ...u say u want us to trade our farmed items ...well now we need an aution/shop sytem to better do so ....
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ON WITH THE TOPIC...
Yesterday morning I was severly upset by loot scaling, then when I came home around 10:30 I was real happy to see certain items were exempted from the list. You also surprised me again by giving us 15k Knights!
Thanks Anet, you re-gained 1 loyal customer.
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why would you play a multiplayer game if you dont want to play with others? Go play oblivion or something instead of trying to change a game into something its not.
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Because PUGs frequently are worse then AI henchmen?
Because my guild isn't on 24/7 because we all have lives?
Because any number of reasons which shouldn't even be an issue. There is a party screen. It goes from 1 (you) to 8 (full party) and any number in between.
Who are you to tell me how many people I should take? Or how I should play the game? By my saying that options should remain open and FAIR equivalent to the level of challenge undertaken, I am not in any way affecting the way YOU play. Nor do I care how you play.
So why are you and so many others in such a hurry to condemn the way I and others play? Is it just arrogance? Enlighten me.
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Because I want the challenge of soloing perhaps?
Because PUGs frequently are worse then AI henchmen? Because my guild isn't on 24/7 because we all have lives? Because any number of reasons which shouldn't even be an issue. There is a party screen. It goes from 1 (you) to 8 (full party) and any number in between. Who are you to tell me how many people I should take? Or how I should play the game? By my saying that options should remain open and FAIR equivalent to the level of challenge undertaken, I am not in any way affecting the way YOU play. Nor do I care how you play. So why are you and so many others in such a hurry to condemn the way I and others play? Is it just arrogance? Enlighten me. |
Maybe pugs would be better if guild wars players would start playing instead of farming all the time?
because everybodey does it and that ruins the game! There arent any good pugs beacause all the exp. players solo-farm, prices go down for earlyer lucky drops that are easy to farm and skyrockets for everything you cant, it makes a lot of things totally pointless
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where is the challenge in makeing an invincible char (whose build you got from the Internet) and keeping to do the same thing over and over?
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because everybodey does it and that ruins the game! There arent any good pugs beacause all the exp. players solo-farm, prices go down for earlyer lucky drops that are easy to farm and skyrockets for everything you cant, it makes a lot of things totally pointless
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And how does it ruin the game for prices on greens to drop, making them affordable to non-farmers who rarely see greens? Until I started solo farming with my A/E, I NEVER received a green drop, in over 500 hours of playing.
Without farmers, high value items would be even RARER, making them even further out of reach of the average player. Sorry, but your arguments just don't hold water. You need to understand how supply and demand works in a dynamic (sort of) economy before commenting on how people increasing supply makes demand go up...
Pakana
Well it sure wasn't what we asked in mesmer threads! We asked SMART mobs groups with protection and healing. Not ultra fast mobs that you cannot interrupt and do ultra damage ultra fast, because this only makes teams want more monks (and there isn't enough even at the moment).
Thanks for NOT listening, and doing it the Arenanet-way, again. But that's what you are famous of: we-know-better-attitude.
Thanks for NOT listening, and doing it the Arenanet-way, again. But that's what you are famous of: we-know-better-attitude.
2ane
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My farming character has died many times, and getting to the farming spot can be dangerous and exciting. Also, your argument is invalid, since many people have multiple characters across three campaigns, missions and quests ALSO constitute doing the same thing over and over.
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I see plenty of people in mission outposts, and have tried PUGing myself many times. No matter how many times I PUG, the quality never seems to increase. Are you actually implying that the majority of PUGs suck because there are too many solo farmers who are somehow bringing down the skill level of non-farmers? And here I thought us solo farmers were a small but vocal minority? |
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And how does it ruin the game for prices on greens to drop, making them affordable to non-farmers who rarely see greens? Until I started solo farming with my A/E, I NEVER received a green drop, in over 500 hours of playing.
Without farmers, high value items would be even RARER, making them even further out of reach of the average player. Sorry, but your arguments just don't hold water. You need to understand how supply and demand works in a dynamic (sort of) economy before commenting on how people increasing supply makes demand go up... |
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why would you play a multiplayer game if you dont want to play with others? Go play oblivion or something instead of trying to change a game into something its not.
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2ane
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Who said farmers dont want to play with others? Just cause farmers take the initiative and get their own income fast, and YOU arent, what make non-farmers think you have the right to say anything? Youre all just jealous, and always say they are ruining the game with no good excuse for it. Start making your own food man.
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you seriously compare playing a full grown campaign to learning a farm-run and repeating it? Would you buy a game featuring only what you do in solo-farming?
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Solo-farmers sure aint no minority and i dont see many pugs going to UW for example... YES the quality of pugs would increase simply because there are more players to choose from, its only "take what you can get" nowadays
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The rewards are okay its just that soloing gives better rewards and therefore has to go!
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Gold would also be rarer lowering prices! You cant see that? Also green prices wouldnt be so low even you can hardly get them without farming
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I'm unsure what you meant about greens, suffice to say that without solo farming, you'd still be paying 50-75k for totem axes, instead of 5k.
Commander Ryker
Thank you Anet for fixing the farming nerf. Now I don't have to listen to all the whinning about it anymore. (te quero nena )
Where's the challenge in doing the same quests and missions over and over again? I don't like farming myself, but my partner (Dont Mess Withme) does so I can understand how someone would. Not every farmer copies from the internet, a lot of them come up with their own builds or improve on those they've found. Then there's the whole "trying it and making it work right" aspect of it. Therein lies the challenge.
That's about the dumbest thing I've seen on these boards. Farming has nothing to do with pugs. Pugs suck, pure and simple. They've sucked since I started playing back in June '05 and have never improved. Of course there is the once in a blue moon pug that works out, but that is about as rare as a colossal scimitar or an elemental sword dropping.
You're arguements for how it ruins the game are nonsense. Farmers have to complete the game before they can farm. The skyrocketing prices are due to things that the farmers can't farm easily.
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where is the challenge in makeing an invincible char (whose build you got from the Internet) and keeping to do the same thing over and over?
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because everybodey does it and that ruins the game! There arent any good pugs beacause all the exp. players solo-farm, prices go down for earlyer lucky drops that are easy to farm and skyrockets for everything you cant, it makes a lot of things totally pointless
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I, a non-farming player, was wondering about the 'farm' nerf yesterday. This morning, I found out about the reversion of some items.
I think this is a good thing, I was getting worried about some parts of the ecomomy.
Especially the parts of 15K armor.
That's not only the Obsidian armor, but most other 15K's.
I make enough gold and crafting materials by regular play to afford those.
But reducing the drops would have a negative impact on the market.
Less drops would mean less people selling to trader, that's less supply.
But, I still can afford the armor, that's same demand.
Less supply + same demand = higher prices.
That's specially true for the materials that can't be crafted.
Those don't have a cap, the others do.
The same is more or less true for high end weapons.
Not that I care about the 100k + X ecto ones, but the golds have the most chance of getting a good weapon upgrade.
Perfect weapon upgrades would skyrocket.
The few times I farmed UW/FoW with someone in my guild, my main income was gold (money) drops and whites.
The rest was extra and did not drop always, like shards and ecto.
I think the same is true for most other areas.
Farmers are still hit, I think.
I think this is a good thing, I was getting worried about some parts of the ecomomy.
Especially the parts of 15K armor.
That's not only the Obsidian armor, but most other 15K's.
I make enough gold and crafting materials by regular play to afford those.
But reducing the drops would have a negative impact on the market.
Less drops would mean less people selling to trader, that's less supply.
But, I still can afford the armor, that's same demand.
Less supply + same demand = higher prices.
That's specially true for the materials that can't be crafted.
Those don't have a cap, the others do.
The same is more or less true for high end weapons.
Not that I care about the 100k + X ecto ones, but the golds have the most chance of getting a good weapon upgrade.
Perfect weapon upgrades would skyrocket.
The few times I farmed UW/FoW with someone in my guild, my main income was gold (money) drops and whites.
The rest was extra and did not drop always, like shards and ecto.
I think the same is true for most other areas.
Farmers are still hit, I think.
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No I wouldn't, which is why I bought Guild Wars. It allows me to play as I see fit, when I want. Just like it allows you to play as you want. You seem to think I ONLY solo farm.
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It has been asserted in MANY threads on the subject that yes, farmers are indeed a minority. And the quality of MOST PUGs would not increase, because all of the experienced solo farmers would only play with other experienced solo farmers, because who wants to play with a bunch of incompetents?
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Why should something that rewards ingenuity, skill and timing be removed? I can solo masters most mission by Ctrl+Shift+Space my selected party of Heroes and Henches. I cannot do that when farming. Soloing SHOULD give better rewards because the math is simple, 1 Player doing the work of 8 should receive 8 times the rewards. Unless you're a union member or devout socialist.
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most people want gold for one of two things, to get prestige armor (the materials for it or simply crafting cost), or to buy super rare items. In the case of the former, if gold is rare but the price of armor remains static, then the actual value of the armor skyrockets. In the case of the latter, people will always desire rare skins, so while the ACTUAL price of a sword may drop from 100k to 20k, if gold is 5 times as hard to come by, nothing has really changed.
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greens should be expensive since they are perfect and hard to get (if you dont farm them)
totem axes were always easy to get (even in groups)
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Sooo.... I don't get it. People can still solo UW and FoW which is supposed to be a challenge for 8 people.
Meanwhile, if I want to do a little Kirin run now and again, I can't.
I really hope there's some kind of AI update or something that makes it virtually impossible to solo UW/FoW/etc. I suspect there will be.
Meanwhile, if I want to do a little Kirin run now and again, I can't.
I really hope there's some kind of AI update or something that makes it virtually impossible to solo UW/FoW/etc. I suspect there will be.
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problem is YOUR playing style affects others
Armor is easy to get without farming (i got 8 prestige), Yes a lot has changed since people arent forced to farm solo to get the gold for those rares... greens should be expensive since they are perfect and hard to get (if you dont farm them) totem axes were always easy to get (even in groups) |
In what way does my playing style hurt others? Especially considering how you don't solo farm and yet have more prestige armor than I? If that's true, then you just proved that farming doesn't affect non-farmers. GG
No one is forced to do anything in Guild Wars luckily, although you and others seem bound and determined to change that. You know what else is perfect and EASY to get? Collector items. And through normal gameplay you'll amass a vast quantity of mods, enabling you to re-create these super unique rares and greens if you wish.
You just don't get the super valued (perception) skin. And that's your choice, isn't it?
And if totem axes are easy to get, why do people still need them and pay in game gold for them? Why don't they all just go get one? Perhaps because the run there and specific skillset and useage is beyond the average PUG member? Your logic fails at every turn, yet you continue to suggest that my playstyle is invalid and I should change to suit your way of doing things. Why not you change to my way?
Which is more fair? To let everyone play the way they want, or to force one segment or the other to conform to one way of doing things?
Kaleban
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Bullcrap. Shut up. Without solo farming, we'd be playing in groups of 8 and getting 8 times as many drops. Remember why UW drops were destroyed back in '05, hello hello?
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So you're saying you think ANet would have increased the drop rate by a squared factor if they got rid of solo farming somehow?
So that every person in a group of 8 would get the same number of drops as a soloer before?
Haha lol. Even I think that's rediculous.
Look, how about you play the game your way, I'll play it mine, and everyone is happy? The only reason this is such a big issue is because ANet tried something that many didn't appreciate, and I still don't understand, and no one has cared to explain why its ok that my sometime playstyle is wrong and should be removed, while yours isn't? IS THAT FAIR?
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I'm only going to respond to this bit, because it amuses me.
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No one is forced to do anything in Guild Wars luckily, although you and others seem bound and determined to change that. You know what else is perfect and EASY to get? Collector items. And through normal gameplay you'll amass a vast quantity of mods, enabling you to re-create these super unique rares and greens if you wish.
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Your logic fails at every turn, yet you continue to suggest that my playstyle is invalid and I should change to suit your way of doing things. Why not you change to my way?
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The only reason this is such a big issue is because ANet tried something that many didn't appreciate, and I still don't understand, and no one has cared to explain why its ok that my sometime playstyle is wrong and should be removed, while yours isn't? IS THAT FAIR?
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I was against solo farmers before, and now I really don't know why everyone hates them so much. There is seriously no GOOD reason.
And yes, lots and lots of solo-farmers play with other people all the time.
And I know that I wouldnt wanna play with people who hate other people's playing style with NO good reason.
Chestnut
Thanks A.net for listening.
I still don't understand why you don't just ban the ad bots in Asclaon City ID 1 spamming "Buy gold from our website..." ...
I still don't understand why you don't just ban the ad bots in Asclaon City ID 1 spamming "Buy gold from our website..." ...
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Go ahead and make a topic about needing more gold for you character(s). Within the first five post someone somewhere will tell you to 'just go farm <an area that is farmable>' regardless whether you enjoy such an activity or not.
I am not complaining because i find it hilarious that Arenanet will continue to treat the symptoms rather than cure the disease(bots).
The Thursday's update was one step closer to curing the disease, IHMO.
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it affects my playing! I want the pugs to return especially in foe/uw (I never even saw all of the UW since its impossible to find real groups to go there) and i fear the idea of a GW:EN featuring 18 new solo-farming areas and no way to get a decent group to play.
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Well i cant get those because i dont farm solo and others do!
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But if a player or dev makes it impossible for me to play as I want, because those people are selfish, arrogant, or just plain mean spirited, then they will lose a customer. Its not a threat, just fact. Allow me to play as I want, and I'll happily shell out the cash for EN and 2. Force me to be like 2ane, and I'll be gone, and you can have him.
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<--- hands you a mirror
It's because of people like you why I avoid Pugs.
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Well it did send a message to the new players that solo farming is the only way Guild Wars should be played.
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Well im happy that they've reveresed this change means i will still be able to get new armour and stuff as I never have time to power trade or anything like that as im pvping all the time.
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Sooo.... I don't get it. People can still solo UW and FoW which is supposed to be a challenge for 8 people.
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Does that mean you are going to quit the game??? woot
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you shouldnt avoid me in a pug
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it affects my playing!
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That type of statement is why many people were anti-solo farming. While it is one way to play, it is ignorant to state it is the only way to play. Then again "Ignorance is Bliss"
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everyone should play the game how they want to and should not be penalize for it. just because they play a different style DOES NOT EFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY, get that through your head! for anyone who hates the way that another person plays and should only play their way, youre doing nothing but trying to turn this game into a totalitarian community
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