Second Birthday miniatures are out!

thezed

thezed

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Iowa, USA

HoTR

I love MOST of the new minis (the elf is a bit rediculous). So sad that I have to wait till october for mine. I would give my first born son for a mini-Koss!!

Jumping Is Uselss

Jumping Is Uselss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

-... . .... .. -. -.. / -.-- --- ..-

Ugh...minis, looks like ill have to sell a few of mine to make space for the new miniatures. The heket looks cool, if i get it i will make it fight my turtle.

Dralspire

Retired

Join Date: Apr 2005

I got a Miniature Juggernaut.



PS: It's included in my giveaway thread, so if you are into that mini ...

Miral

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by thezed
I love MOST of the new minis (the elf is a bit rediculous). So sad that I have to wait till october for mine. I would give my first born son for a mini-Koss!!
make it daughter and you have a deal.

Rhedd

Rhedd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

You ever have to clean up after a Moa bird?

True Solunastra [SLA] Profession: Moa Wrangler

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miral
make it daughter and you have a deal.
Did you mean that to sound as icky as it did? ^_^

Shawn The Divine

Shawn The Divine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Nova Scotia

My Other Healer Is Lvl Eighty

Mo/W

Harmless

Harmless

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Uber Elite Rit Force of Justice Headquarters

What's a Guild? [LoL]

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Personally, I didn't vote in any poll since the original question from Gaile was which minipets did you want.

And one of the often mentioned suggestions...more storage...we got already.

I like minipets and would like to eventually have one of each. Why don't those of you who hate them give them to people who want them? You could make it a fun event...trivia questions, scavenger hunts, whatever. Or just give them to guildmates.

As far as how people express their opinions: a lot of how people react to what you say is based on how you deliver your opinion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Silva Fox
As hundreds of different forum polls are evidently hard to keep track of how about a xunlai voting agent ingame?
That would surely get a higher turn out than a community forum that alot of gw players never even look at let alone post on.
Very cool idea.

TheRaven

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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Cool, I'm looking forward to expanding my mini-pet collection. (Once the prices drop a bit).

Actually, I like the mini elf. It sounds like i'm the only one though. Perhaps I can snatch one cheap. I think the Water Djinn looks really really cool. I can't wait to get one of those.

Rothen Kithkanan

Rothen Kithkanan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Between a rock and a hard place

Pah, who needs guilds?

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It seems (and I've set myself up to be flammed right here) that there is a certain aspect of spoilt child syndrome going on here.

Anet give you all a lovely FREE birthday present which, they did not have to do lets be honest. But the majority appear to be spitting out their dummies because it's not what they wanted. I dunno, how dare Anet not give you what YOU wanted. If you dont like it, sell it, give it away, leave it to rot in storage. Dont see the need to come on here and attack Gaile and the devs for it

I personally dont give a rats arse about minipets and have sold all my 1st birthday ones but thats a side issue

now, let the public burning commence

TLLOTS

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
As to why there is a birthday mini, well, we conducted numerous polls in several langauges, but there was there was no clearcut "other thing" called out by fans. Sure, there were about a hundred ideas, but none of them were resoundingly the conclusive "vote of the masses" for a birthday gift. In the collected votes, miniatures were a very highly-rated choice, and received more votes than any other single alternative. In the end, the designers chose something that they felt would be fun and enjoyable, and something that players can keep, sell, or trade, as they see fit.

It's a gift. Enjoy it, or not, but please get over the negative attitude, it contributes nothing to the discussion here.
The negative attitude is warranted in this case Gaile.

Take this simple analogy: Your friend (we'll call him Bob) gave you a plushie for your birthday almost a year ago, and you were happy with it at first, it was cute, maybe it even made funny noises. Nevertheless, after awhile you lost interest in it and it ended up sitting in your closet for the rest of the year. Now, almost up to your birthday again and Bob comes and asks "hey, I'm thinking I might get you another plushie this year, is there one in particular you'd like?", to which you reply "well actually I'm kind of tired of plushies now, I'd really rather something else."

Bob doesn't respond, but finally your birthday roles around, you open your present, curious to see what your friend decided to get you... and find another plushie. To make matters worse, your friend has been handing out plushies like candy to everyone they know, so any value it has as far as just being a special gift from a friend is absolutely nil. Effectively the plushie has no value to you, not even as a gift as you've already told your friend that it wasn't something you really wanted, so you feel more than a little disappointed that they didn't listen to you.

The important point here is that I believe for many players, the desire was not for a specific item, it was for something that wasn't a minipet which quickly loses its appeal and just isn't special anymore and it hasn't been for a long time. Saying that since there was no clear consensus between the players on what other item they'd want is a weak argument that misses the point entirely.

Now I'm not going to go into some big rant as to how I'm going to quit the game or that ANet never listens to us, because we both know that isn't true. All I'm going to say is that I'm disappointed, and that your blithe dismissal of what I feel is a very valid complaint adds nothing to this discussion.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by =HT=E5Destroyer
WoW! your old enough to be on a computer and you cant read?

i wrote this is what mine says.
If you knew 2 years = 24 months AND your account/character age says it is 23 months old, why did you ask about not getting the present?

Bubba

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Netherlands

port sledge snow cones [COLD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
An emote would have been so much better, Although it would be slightly look at me I'm elite it would have been better than look at me I have gold to waste.
You just gave yourself the reason why they shouldn't do that

There's already enough elitism in the game. People should take these things more lighthearted and enjoy them for what they are; funny pixels you can collect

|pyro|

|pyro|

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Naliah Alexis


Mini Djinn
No fire one ,
I guess my wish did come true when I asked them for a Djinn but I thought it would be a fire one :P.

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
You just gave yourself the reason why they shouldn't do that

There's already enough elitism in the game. People should take these things more lighthearted and enjoy them for what they are; funny pixels you can collect
Ahhhh but playing devil's advocate I can now go out with my 100k + xxx ectos buy a Gwen and be elitist can't I?

Something non tradeable would have been my condition, something very personal character wise too.

thezed

thezed

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Iowa, USA

HoTR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miral
make it daughter and you have a deal.
DEAL!! I don't want any daughters anyway......(did i just say that? )

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

If Anet didn't make 2nd birthday mini-pets, youd have whining and groaning from people who wanted it.

Anet made 2nd birthday mini-pets, so you have whining and groaning from people who didn't want it.

Its ok to not like it.
Its ok to like it.

I dont think its ok to act like some baby who didnt get their lollipop or something. Some of the posts here sound like my 4 year old niece.

The negative attitude I think Gaile is referring to is the "Anet owes me, and you lied to me Gaile" thing that seems to be going around. Gaile needs a banhammer.

Miral

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhedd
Did you mean that to sound as icky as it did? ^_^
O.O icky? get your mind out of the gutter, head giver! hehehehe

no... i just don't like males.

Necro Niazriv

Necro Niazriv

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

E/N

i like liche ones...but i want a mini glint!

Bubba

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Netherlands

port sledge snow cones [COLD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
Ahhhh but playing devil's advocate I can now go out with my 100k + xxx ectos buy a Gwen and be elitist can't I?
Yes, but that is a choice you can make, 2 years old or not. So you can not use it in an argument as in: I'm better then you because I've been around for two years.

(Ah, I think this is refreshing in this topic; a friendly argument )

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Gaile needs a banhammer.
You can't ban people for expressive a view no matter how deluded and non factual it is. Everyone deserves a say including Gaile so less of the bashing guys.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba
(Ah, I think this is refreshing in this topic; a friendly argument )
I know, what the hell is happening to Guru these days?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
You can't ban people for expressive a view no matter how deluded and non factual it is. Everyone deserves a say including Gaile so less of the bashing guys.
I think its perfectly fine to ban someone if they can't express their opinion without getting insulting and personal.

thezed

thezed

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Iowa, USA

HoTR

Quote:
Originally Posted by TLLOTS
The negative attitude is warranted in this case Gaile.

Take this simple analogy: Your friend (we'll call him Bob) gave you a plushie for your birthday almost a year ago, and you were happy with it at first, it was cute, maybe it even made funny noises. Nevertheless, after awhile you lost interest in it and it ended up sitting in your closet for the rest of the year. Now, almost up to your birthday again and Bob comes and asks "hey, I'm thinking I might get you another plushie this year, is there one in particular you'd like?", to which you reply "well actually I'm kind of tired of plushies now, I'd really rather something else."

Bob doesn't respond, but finally your birthday roles around, you open your present, curious to see what your friend decided to get you... and find another plushie. To make matters worse, your friend has been handing out plushies like candy to everyone they know, so any value it has as far as just being a special gift from a friend is absolutely nil. Effectively the plushie has no value to you, not even as a gift as you've already told your friend that it wasn't something you really wanted, so you feel more than a little disappointed that they didn't listen to you.
This analogy is a bit unfair. In this case "Bob" is not a sigle individual giving 1 present to a friend. Bob is a multi-national company giving millions of gifts to millions of characters. It is impossible to give that many people exactly what they want, or even to avoid giving anyone something they DONT want.

Here is a better analogy (and one i can relate to personaly): Lets rename Bob to Grandpa Bob. Grandpa Bob has a lot of grandkids, some of them with birthdays very close to eachother. Grandpa Bob tends to give these grandkids with close birhtdays pretty much the same gifts. Now, you might not LOVE what he got you (lets face it, grandpa Bob is a little behind the times) but, gosh darnit, despite that funny smell he gives off you just love grandpa Bob and your gratefull he was thinking about you, cares about you, and got you a gift.

Thanks "Grandpa Bob"!

TiNkLeR

TiNkLeR

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
No one lied. No one promised anything. Until recently we didn't even confirm there would be a gift. Now, if you can show me where we "promised" something other than a mini, I'd like to see it.

Can't?

Didn't think so.

As to why there is a birthday mini, well, we conducted numerous polls in several langauges, but there was there was no clearcut "other thing" called out by fans. Sure, there were about a hundred ideas, but none of them were resoundingly the conclusive "vote of the masses" for a birthday gift. In the collected votes, miniatures were a very highly-rated choice, and received more votes than any other single alternative. In the end, the designers chose something that they felt would be fun and enjoyable, and something that players can keep, sell, or trade, as they see fit.

It's a gift. Enjoy it, or not, but please get over the negative attitude, it contributes nothing to the discussion here.

You are joking right? ROTFL.


Wait wait!!!!!

IT ISNT CUSTOMIZED !!!! WHAT THE F???? WHY DO I WANT IT ? zomg... Those damn people that didnt support GW from the beggining will have a damn 2set of miniatures if they want???
Go away anet. You completely disapointed me.


Btw:

Christmas 2005
GameBoy

Christmas 2006
Red GameBoy


wtf?

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
I think its perfectly fine to ban someone if they can't express their opinion without getting insulting and personal.
That I agree with, its just whether the mods see calling someone a liar is getting insulting.

Kry Onicle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Steel Phoenix [StP]

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Aataxe and Djinn are ftw. Others are poor though Imo.

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

Personal preferences aside, I don't care what the gifts actually were - I am happy that the effort was made to give us something to say thank you. Thank you Dev Team.

I am once again PISSED however that we still have the white/purple/green/gold random prezzies. Give us all the same gift or let us choose from the list. This crap about some people selling their presents for 100k +40ecto vs some people getting the 5k grand prize is just uncalled for.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
That I agree with, its just whether the mods see calling someone a liar is getting insulting.
Well my post in particular has lots of tongue-in-cheek irony, considering my opinions.

I see lots of elitist attitudes and greed manifesting in some of these posts.

Selket

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Grand Court of Selket/Sebelkeh

What If You Had An Outpost Named After You [slkt]

W/

No mini tengu?

;_____;

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

Sweet! I can't wait to see a miniature Pawolo Joko - that may be the perfect compliment to my Necromancer.

I agree that a Fire Djinn would've rocked...I personally like them more than the Water Djinn.

Selket

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Grand Court of Selket/Sebelkeh

What If You Had An Outpost Named After You [slkt]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
You can't ban people for expressive a view no matter how deluded and non factual it is. Everyone deserves a say including Gaile so less of the bashing guys.
Uh, you can ban anyone for anything.

This isn't a democracy.

Selket

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Grand Court of Selket/Sebelkeh

What If You Had An Outpost Named After You [slkt]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lucifer_uk
You can't ban people for expressive a view no matter how deluded and non factual it is. Everyone deserves a say including Gaile so less of the bashing guys.
Uh, you can ban anyone for anything.

This isn't a democracy.

Horseman Of War

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

P/

hmmm my mesmer /age is 24 months but no mini yet, maybe in a few hours



oh hey go read the suggestion posts for the mini ideas.. Ty ANet for making all my suggestions minis!! Irukandji is win!

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

Wow those are pretty cool minis. Im not as jealous becuase my assassin just got a burning titan(yay)!

NekoZ

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Long Island

So Goth We Crap [Bats]

My friends Mini Palawa Joko:

zara

zara

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

everywhere and no where

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mournblade
I am once again PISSED however that we still have the white/purple/green/gold random prezzies. Give us all the same gift or let us choose from the list. This crap about some people selling their presents for 100k +40ecto vs some people getting the 5k grand prize is just uncalled for.
QFT...Why are some people more special than others for a birthday that they get a green present while the rest get some lame white one - or god forbid an elf this time around.

Although I would have preferred something customized for the character and untradable.

Lalita

Lalita

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Mountains

[LaZy]

Thanks for the new mini-pets A-net Alot of us realize that we aren't 'owed' any birthday present, but rather that they are a nice token of appriciation for the player base. Alot of the whinning you see here is the results of parents not beating the greedy out of their kids enough.

RTSFirebat

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

This is meant to be a dicussion about the new mini pets... this has gone wildly off topic

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

Whats the green mini?

ctarl

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Gwen (yay) ^^

TLLOTS

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by thezed
This analogy is a bit unfair. In this case "Bob" is not a sigle individual giving 1 present to a friend. Bob is a multi-national company giving millions of gifts to millions of characters. It is impossible to give that many people exactly what they want, or even to avoid giving anyone something they DONT want.
Certainly, you can't please everyone, and I'm not about to suggest that ANet attempt to do so. However, when there is clearly a significant portion of players who favour an alternative, then perhaps it'd be better to find a way to accomodate both the players who favour the status quo, and those who favour the alternative. I don't believe this is a particularly difficult task, simply have a dialog box with the following appear when you double click your birthday gift:

"The moment you open your birthday gift a small odd looking Elf leaps out at you, bellowing in a surprisingly deep voice 'Hear me mortal! I come to you with many gifts, but only one shall be yours. Which do you desire, a furry (or even spikey) minipet, or a mystery prize? Think carefully, as once your decision is made it cannot be taken back!'"

Answer one: "I love things that are furry, except for that food I found under that rubble in Ascalon, that was just nasty. Err... where was I? Oh yes, give me the minipet!"

Answer two: "Wow, a mystery prize, I wonder what it could be? Maybe it's a minipet? I've always wanted one of those. I'll take the mystery prize!"

Quote:
Originally Posted by thezed
Here is a better analogy (and one i can relate to personaly): Lets rename Bob to Grandpa Bob. Grandpa Bob has a lot of grandkids, some of them with birthdays very close to eachother. Grandpa Bob tends to give these grandkids with close birhtdays pretty much the same gifts. Now, you might not LOVE what he got you (lets face it, grandpa Bob is a little behind the times) but, gosh darnit, despite that funny smell he gives off you just love grandpa Bob and your gratefull he was thinking about you, cares about you, and got you a gift.

Thanks "Grandpa Bob"!
Your analogy is perfectly valid, it portrays your perspective accurately in an easily understood manner, while mine does the same for me. Neither is more valid than the other.