Legendary Survivor - the safe, easy and quick way to XP farm the title

Darksun

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

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Originally Posted by giroe
i just made some calculations, i have found out it can be done within 8 hours.
i have calculated this, 1 jade at hm give 300xp without scrolls, in one run u can kill around 40 jades. thats within a time limit of 10 minutes. thats 12k xp in 10 minutes. So i you are using scrolls that mean u get 36k every 10 minutes.

now the calculations starts assume u have the money and buy a lot of scrolls of lightbringers 3x xp.
300*3*40=36.000 xp
1337/36=37.2 runs
37.2x10=372 minutes
372/60=6.2 hours.
lets say u need at least 1.30 hours too get to the mainland and some hero's be4 u can start farming.
all together u will be done in within 8 hours u will have lets say 10 minutes too fool around xD

Ow yeah the money part now xD:
37.2 runs , i will make it 38
1 scroll cost now? 2.5~3k?
38*2.5= 95k gold
38*3= 114k gold



Guess u can almost buy this title, the power of calculations

btw i tried it and it works, althoug i didnt made it too the end i died sigh... But doesn't Antithesis' build include more than 1 character? the More Heroes/Hench you have, the less xp you'll get.

Killroy's really seems way safer too. Only in HM is there a viable chance of dying.

Armond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

California

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Originally Posted by Darksun
But doesn't Antithesis' build include more than 1 character? the More Heroes/Hench you have, the less xp you'll get.

Killroy's really seems way safer too. Only in HM is there a viable chance of dying. XP only splits between people within earshot (or perhaps Soul Reaping range) of the dying creature.

Burning Blade

Burning Blade

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Syag

thanks again for the great guide. I got LS for my Sin and I am making LS for my warrior. Here are 2 things I find worth mentioned:

- With 35AL + 20AL vs Physical attack and no other armor buff from skills or equipments, Jade attacks never deal more than 73dmg with Life Barrier (52% reduction) is on. No need to bring Protective Spirit? I wouldn't risk though

- Spirit Bond is triggered BEFORE Life Barrier so even you are hit by less than 60dmg, you are still healed by SB. With 52% reduction in dmg, the minimum dmg to trigger SB is 60(1-0.52) = 28.8 or 29


Armond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

California

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Smells like <s>teen spirit</s> great win.

(And lol @ failing with code on post #404)

Antithesis

Antithesis

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Join Date: Jan 2007

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Sphincter Says [What]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darksun
But doesn't Antithesis' build include more than 1 character? the More Heroes/Hench you have, the less xp you'll get.

Killroy's really seems way safer too. Only in HM is there a viable chance of dying. Heroes do not gain XP if they are not within your agro circle, it states this in the guide.

I've just updated the guide to include the third installment - Other Builds and XP Farming Locations. The original guide pre-dates GW:EN so i've added the Snow Worms in HM outside Boreal Station and Kilroy's as alternatives, they're even better now you can access GW:EN at level 10.

If you have other XP farming spots post them in the thread. If they're considered viable i'll add them to the post - i'm not precious about the guide so if there's a better spot or a better way to do it, let us all know!

I've also added the criticisms back in because i can't be fuggered answering every cry-baby who questions the morality of posting the guide. In a nutshell - if you don't like it, don't do it...no-one else gives a crap about your titles

Antithesis

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burning Blade
With 35AL + 20AL vs Physical attack and no other armor buff from skills or equipments, Jade attacks never deal more than 73dmg with Life Barrier (52% reduction) is on. No need to bring Protective Spirit? I wouldn't risk though I've mentioned in the guide PS is not needed but still recommended, particularly when trying to get agro when you're out of Symbiosis on longer runs. I've re-added info and links about experiments with Life Barrier, Life Bond and Spirit Bond into the Criticisms section of Part Three of the guide.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

i just saw a video of a warrior with 2 bonders heroes and he only had SoJ in his skill bar , was wondering if only having SoJ and the bonders put all the bonds on me works. i dont want to buy all the other skills :P

Antithesis

Antithesis

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Originally Posted by Soulless Warhawk
i just saw a video of a warrior with 2 bonders heroes and he only had SoJ in his skill bar , was wondering if only having SoJ and the bonders put all the bonds on me works. i dont want to buy all the other skills :P Yes it works, but it's much slower. Take max armor and preferably, some armor boosting skills. You still need to buy a bucketload of skills on the bonders which probably cost less than the cost of max armor, so you're much better off with the X/Mo builds and bonders.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

ah ok thanks for the reply , ill go try the builds out

Angra

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

well... i had my doubts but, on the second character i tried:



nice guide man. serious thumbs up.

streaper

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

[Syke]

R/Mo

Right now im doing the easy run: Character Born in Factions

Survivor : Lv15 R/Mo using the skills Protective Spirit, Spirit Bond, Vital Blessing, Balthazars Spirit, Essense Bond, Serpents Quickness, Whirling Defense, Zojuns Haste.

Hero : Lv15 Dunkoro using Serpents Quickness, Symbiosis, Life Barrier, Holy Wrath, Retribution, Life Attunement, Blessed Signet, Signet of Devotio.

I've used Rampager's Insight Scrolls but i cant seem to kill the 2nd group of Jade Nights because it runs out seconds before i kill them. Any ideas on how to do this would be great.

Any tips on skills that arent Elites would be great also.

Antithesis

Antithesis

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Quote:
Originally Posted by streaper
Right now im doing the easy run: Character Born in Factions

Survivor : Lv15 R/Mo using the skills Protective Spirit, Spirit Bond, Vital Blessing, Balthazars Spirit, Essense Bond, Serpents Quickness, Whirling Defense, Zojuns Haste.
--snip--
Any tips on skills that arent Elites would be great also. There's your problem right there - drop Whirling Defense and Zojun's Haste! You do NOT want their hits to be blocked! The less you get hit, the less damage the smite bonds do, the less you'll be healed by Spirit Bond and ultimately the slower the run.

You don't need to run any ranger skills, just focus on recasting Spirit Bond at the right time.

streaper

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

[Syke]

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antithesis
There's your problem right there - drop Whirling Defense and Zojun's Haste! You do NOT want their hits to be blocked! The less you get hit, the less damage the smite bonds do, the less you'll be healed by Spirit Bond and ultimately the slower the run.

You don't need to run any ranger skills, just focus on recasting Spirit Bond at the right time. I never used those 2 skills to be honest. i saw someone post up a pic in one of the pages and i just copied the skill list but i never found those 2 skills to be useful. Even thought I dont use those 2 skills i still cant kill those jades fast enuff. i forgot to mention that im using starter armor and 1 piece of feet armor thats AL25 (i sort of frgt that i had to keep the starter feet piece)

Ghost of Toast

Ghost of Toast

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Poland

MKOD

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Is it possible to farm safely farm lilian with this and visages on skillbar?

Antithesis

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Toast
Is it possible to farm safely farm lilian with this and visages on skillbar? Forget the Visages, Jade Knights are the least of your worries. Take [skill=text]Mantra of Resolve[/skill] and you're good as gold - the Mesmers use [skill=text]Signet of Disruption[/skill].

SilentDaze

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

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Hi Antithesis,

I would just like to say well done for posting an awesome guide, I made another monk just to test the triple bonder heroes really, the title was just a bonus.



I somewhat modified the run to what I would deem as cost efficient as possible, I completely ignored Shen the Magistrates group, because after practicing on a different monk I have I found that her mob was the only one where symbiosis had a tendency to drop, and as has been previously stated, if symbiosis drops after you've sustained too much damage, the next hit will be your last, and your title is gone.

My run ended after killing the mob which drops down from ropes (across the bridge opposite Lian) obviously killing her and her group before proceeding there. Usually I'd have 30 seconds or so left before my scroll ran out just as the last foe hit the floor from the "rope" group, so as opposed to moving on to shen's group, I simply zoned back to the marketplace, rinsed, repeated.

The first time I went for this title was on my ranger, I did it the HARD way, capping skills and doing the same tedious quests that i'd already done 4 times or more and to be honest, I can only describe it as tedious.

I honestly do not see any logic or sense in some posts in this thread at all, particularly the ones who say "theres no sense of achievement" or basically state that you're not "earning" the title... you're basically doing the same thing in both methods, farming the title or doing it the way arenanet intended it to be done, only difference is that one method seems to be far less costly and time consuming.

Life Barrier is an absolute godsend when working in conjunction with the other skills in this build, anyone who says different simply cannot do basic maths.

Concerning drops, I had around 30 gold drops in the 100+ runs I did, alongside a few greens and two elite ele tomes, seeing as I'm sharing drops with my heroes I'd say that's a fantastic amount of loot. One of the golds was a Q9 15^50 Katana which was awesome.

::Hints::

Here's some problems I encountered and tips I can share. Most of them have been said already, but meh, wont hurt.

- Your ranger hero WILL NOT renew symbiosis (or any other spirit) unless the spirit has been "dead" for a good couple of seconds, that's a few seconds of downtime which can potentially screw up your efforts. So it's wise to do it manually.

- Binding your space bar to "log out" is a necessity, a small lag can be devastating.

- "Make Haste!" speeds up the general process of the runs, I shaved a huge amount of time off my collective run by using it between groups, and it's brilliant for diving back under the cover of symbiosis.

- I didn't use any of Acolyte Jin's skills except Blood is Power, Symbiosis and EoE.

- If you're heroes are flagged too close to the aggro, even when they are on passive they will attempt to heal you, thus drawing the attention of jade knights in particular, my heroes managed to gain almost 5 levels each even though they weren't supposed in aggro range of the jade.

- If anything runs past you toward your bonders, immediately log out, don't hesitate.

- Mantra of Resolve ends if it cant take energy away from you, it's best to wait until every Jade is dead before attempting to use backfire/empathy on the rits, solely so theres no risk of the stance ending when you still have half a mob thirsting for your blood.

Once again Antithesis I for one certainly appreciate the time and effort you put into the testing of the content of this guide, as well as the creation.

Good job.

Antithesis

Antithesis

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Join Date: Jan 2007

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Sphincter Says [What]

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No wukkers, glad you found the guide useful. The run you've described is the Hard run in the guide - should net about 20K XP per run. I preferred the longer 70K / 20 min runs to cut down on the repetition and boredom factor.

The guide is somewhat obsolete compared to the ease and flexibility of the Kilroy Stonekin quest for LS title farming, but I created the build for my own amusement to learn how to use bonders and to see how many useful skills i could cram onto 3 heroes to play around with Symbiosis' HP boost effect

I've just finished EoTN and will start playing around with three heroes in the dungeons - i'm sure the build will work in many of them considering it's an extension on the 600/Smiter build, and they seem to work.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antithesis
I've just finished EoTN and will start playing around with three heroes in the dungeons - i'm sure the build will work in many of them considering it's an extension on the 600/Smiter build, and they seem to work. Heroway 600/smite for any profession....i like!

Antithesis

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Originally Posted by streaper
I never used those 2 skills to be honest. i saw someone post up a pic in one of the pages and i just copied the skill list but i never found those 2 skills to be useful. Even thought I dont use those 2 skills i still cant kill those jades fast enuff. i forgot to mention that im using starter armor and 1 piece of feet armor thats AL25 (i sort of frgt that i had to keep the starter feet piece) Things are slower going in Normal Mode - getting from level 15 to 20 on this run sucks!
It speeds up significantly in HM. Try dropping the armor altogether.

MASQUE EYE

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

FIERY KNIGHTS

R/Mo

i love the guides, as for me I am farming my xp in UW with my mesmer. I just bring heroes to pop the NM's and do grasps and smites. I figure id get more ectos and get the title at the same time. It is very dangerous but i like being on my toes all the time.

VendingMachine

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

For some reason when I do this my hero takes a lot of damage and ends up dying. Life Bond hurts my hero too much.

Antithesis

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Originally Posted by VendingMachine
For some reason when I do this my hero takes a lot of damage and ends up dying. Life Bond hurts my hero too much. If you're a Mo/X or X/Mo don't use a Life Bonder, that should be obvious.
If you're not a Mo/X or X/Mo, wear max armour. I've had no problems with AL45 as long as the monk had a self-heal like [skill=text]Signet of Devotion[/skill].

streaper

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

[Syke]

R/Mo

do you think i should try the moderate/hard run with my R/Mo?

VendingMachine

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antithesis
If you're a Mo/X or X/Mo don't use a Life Bonder, that should be obvious.
If you're not a Mo/X or X/Mo, wear max armour. I've had no problems with AL45 as long as the monk had a self-heal like [skill=text]Signet of Devotion[/skill]. Okay, thank you very much.

Antithesis

Antithesis

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Originally Posted by streaper
do you think i should try the moderate/hard run with my R/Mo? Definitely not unless you've got an awesome ping to overcome the Mesmer interrupts.

If you've got GW:EN, go with the Kilroy quest.

JAK3US

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

I'm running a r/mo and have finally gotten to Level 20 to do HM runs. 1 Quick question; for the moderate run, do you also take out the patrolling mob that consists of a rit and a mesmer or do you just skip those?

I'm also having trouble taking out the ritualist even with burning+poison.... healing keeps the ritualist alive. Should I take broad head arrow instead? Its energy level seems a bit high, so I might consider taking out points in marksmaship and dropping a few in expertise.

Any advice?

I guess I'll just stick to smiting for now, as it seems a bit more reliable than hoping to interrupt.

Antithesis

Antithesis

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[skill=text]Scourge Healing[/skill]

It's quicker to just kill everything around the Rit, log out, rinse, repeat...

cuate

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2008

Di

Me/Mo

i get ls in 26 hours thank you for the guide

The Daemon Warrior

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Netherlands

The Celestial Fellowship [CeF]

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Woo! thansk for the guide m8, got tier 1 now, up to Tier 3!!! (Kilroy Farming is the best )

Vindicare

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

Don't do the Kilroy farming unless you have a 100% stable connection.

Just lost my rank 2 survivor about 20 minutes after reading this (aka worst decision of the week). Had a lag spike during KO and couldn't fill up my energy - dead, survivor gone.

Should have done it with regular playing like before.

The Daemon Warrior

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Netherlands

The Celestial Fellowship [CeF]

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just 200k away from legendary my com froze and thus i died :@
That never happened to me before on GW and it hasnt happened at all in a long time, bug maybe? (seeing as Vindicare also lagged).

Shadow II

Shadow II

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

Underworld

CHuj WiE

Rt/A

people i ner lvl 20 and resign and get 1deaths....its so bad...

Lest121

Lest121

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

Army of Darkness

A/Mo

Nice guide I might use it, but Currently I am close to rank 2 from doing Quest and Capping skills, I am taking my time with this, I am not starting over.

Vindicare

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

This method is really, really, *really* risky. It's the fastest but also the UNsafest way to reach Legendary Survivor. If you have no 100% stable connection LEAVE IT.

Tried it about 7 times in the past 6 days (yea, I'm crazy) and never got past 3 or 4 hours of doing these runs.
Eventually it always ends up the same way: I run into a lag spike (i.e. everything stands still for 10 seconds; you can click your skills, but aside from the skill icon blinking, nothing will happen - 10 seconds later the action resumes with me being dead).

Got a rather stable and fast internet connection, but every now and then I get these lag spikes as described. In a group those hardly matter, but doing a Kilroy run it means CERTAIN death.
Chances for me of getting to 1.3M exp without a single lag spike are close to zero, so I am going back to capping Elites and doing other stuff.

But for those with a hell of a connection and (or) TONS of luck, this really is the fastest way to LS. Should be able to do it in about 12 hours. In theory.

Antithesis

Antithesis

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Originally Posted by Vindicare
But for those with a hell of a connection and (or) TONS of luck, this really is the fastest way to LS. Should be able to do it in about 12 hours. In theory. Check out the link in the third part of the guide...10 hours. 'In theory', it can be done in 6 to 7 hours for a prophecies character. Tons of luck is not required, a good ping is required.

Kilroy's is easy, fast, profitable, fun, solo and can be done with any class...stick to that unless you want the challenge of doing the 70K XP runs with a Mo/Me or Me/Mo.

It sounds to me like you have a crap internet connection - you shouldn't lag spike at all if you have a stable and fast connection.

Vindicare

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

For the records: I was talking about Kilroy's run. Not that I care what a jerk like you has to say anyway.

Antithesis

Antithesis

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Originally Posted by Vindicare
For the records: I was talking about Kilroy's run. Not that I care what a jerk like you has to say anyway. Be less bad. QQ

Seriously, if you're on a good connection you shouldn't get lag spikes unless you're playing on an event weekend.

Armond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

California

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Originally Posted by underverse_ninja
Nice guide I might use it, but Currently I am close to rank 2 from doing Quest and Capping skills, I am taking my time with this, I am not starting over.
You wouldn't have to start over... just start on your current survivor.

Quote: Originally Posted by Vindicare This method is really, really, *really* risky. It's the fastest but also the UNsafest way to reach Legendary Survivor. If you have no 100% stable connection LEAVE IT.

Tried it about 7 times in the past 6 days (yea, I'm crazy) and never got past 3 or 4 hours of doing these runs.
Eventually it always ends up the same way: I run into a lag spike (i.e. everything stands still for 10 seconds; you can click your skills, but aside from the skill icon blinking, nothing will happen - 10 seconds later the action resumes with me being dead).

Got a rather stable and fast internet connection, but every now and then I get these lag spikes as described. In a group those hardly matter, but doing a Kilroy run it means CERTAIN death.
Chances for me of getting to 1.3M exp without a single lag spike are close to zero, so I am going back to capping Elites and doing other stuff.

But for those with a hell of a connection and (or) TONS of luck, this really is the fastest way to LS. Should be able to do it in about 12 hours. In theory. Just don't play on event weekends or whatever... If you have lag spikes normally, this isn't for you, but then what survivor method is?

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Originally Posted by Vindicare
For the records: I was talking about Kilroy's run. Not that I care what a jerk like you has to say anyway. Nowhere is it clear where you're talking about Kilroy's run (do you mean the 12 hours part, the seven times in six days, or the lag spikes?). I don't see where you get off calling Antithesis a jerk, either... Or does him calling your internet connection crap make him a jerk in your eyes? Cause I agree with him.

Tundra

Tundra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Damn. This does not work anymore, since heroes can't cast enchantments on you..

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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Why they can't cast? There is somewhere a script ,,don't enchant anything except for other heroes/henches/allies''?