What is this bullcrap about?
Ok, so ectos cost less now. Meaning you sell it for a lower price. If you farm ectos usually, you have to sell more to keep up your steady income. But what does that has to do with us?
I'm not concerned, as long as people enjoy and have their own quick methods to get what they want (without harming other players) to fully enjoy this game.
One thing I despise is ''buying'' gold from sites because usually the farming is done by people who get paid way too little for this.
You can buy gold off those sites, only if you are sure that it's not done by people who don't get paid enough for this.
Of course who am I to put up these rules to you? You'll have to use your own wisdom and intelligence.
Ecto price is concerning you too?
Surendre
Aera Lure
Repent! REPENT! For the end draws nigh! 
Seriously though, ectos have fallen for reasons mentioned: no new classes to get fissure for, release of armor choices that now look as good or better than their fissure counterparts for a fraction of the cost, the turn of the economy such that people are selling former investments for funding. I cant see ecto ever going back up again now as there is nothing that would drive it.
I dont know how low they'll go, but I will never buy ecto again. No reason to. I have only ever aimed for armor choices for looks, not prestige, and I got Treya's fissure back when that was the only way to get Radiant without having to wear tatoos. I still think its the best looking female monk armor choice, but that is simply my preference of course. Other fissures I have or had wanted have now fallen out of favor with me due to other armor releases combined with the increased difficulty of saving for them. I cant be bothered now. Took a long time to get Treya's.
Also, I cannot play in the 100k+e buying market anymore lol so no need to have ecto around. I am happy now with 20k in the bank. Sold off all my remaining ecto to fund skills and Hero needs and I dont see funds rising anytime soon for me unless I find some godsend of a drop.
Ectos will probably continue to be the market norm for 100k+ transactions out of precedence. Habits die hard. What will change is ecto price will be a bit more unstable I bet until it hits its low settling point. Probably not a good idea to invet in large sums of them but just have enough of them around to transact.
Seriously though, ectos have fallen for reasons mentioned: no new classes to get fissure for, release of armor choices that now look as good or better than their fissure counterparts for a fraction of the cost, the turn of the economy such that people are selling former investments for funding. I cant see ecto ever going back up again now as there is nothing that would drive it.
I dont know how low they'll go, but I will never buy ecto again. No reason to. I have only ever aimed for armor choices for looks, not prestige, and I got Treya's fissure back when that was the only way to get Radiant without having to wear tatoos. I still think its the best looking female monk armor choice, but that is simply my preference of course. Other fissures I have or had wanted have now fallen out of favor with me due to other armor releases combined with the increased difficulty of saving for them. I cant be bothered now. Took a long time to get Treya's.
Also, I cannot play in the 100k+e buying market anymore lol so no need to have ecto around. I am happy now with 20k in the bank. Sold off all my remaining ecto to fund skills and Hero needs and I dont see funds rising anytime soon for me unless I find some godsend of a drop.
Ectos will probably continue to be the market norm for 100k+ transactions out of precedence. Habits die hard. What will change is ecto price will be a bit more unstable I bet until it hits its low settling point. Probably not a good idea to invet in large sums of them but just have enough of them around to transact.
TheUndying
For me, I don't really give a crap about Ectos, I don't even care if their price is falling, maybe then i'll be able to afford the fissure armor, right now i'm happy with my 15k armor for all 8 of my characters and 109k in the bank. I think that every single online game is always about how wealthy you are or having the best "L33t" armor there is.
Eldin
I care little about ecto for these reasons:
1) I don't have, nor intend to get FoW anytime soon, as getting 15k armor alone took about 5 days of farming, and that was before the ettin nerf and anti-farmcode was implemented, and before loot scaling.
2) America barely gets favor anyway.
3) When we DO get favor, rarely do I even get ectos. I'm very unlucky. However, that means I'm due for a really valuable drop soon, and, should that be 20 ectos, then I DO need to care.
1) I don't have, nor intend to get FoW anytime soon, as getting 15k armor alone took about 5 days of farming, and that was before the ettin nerf and anti-farmcode was implemented, and before loot scaling.
2) America barely gets favor anyway.
3) When we DO get favor, rarely do I even get ectos. I'm very unlucky. However, that means I'm due for a really valuable drop soon, and, should that be 20 ectos, then I DO need to care.
draftinc
why cant people understand that some peeps like to achieve the titles. titles that happen to be very expensive to obtain. i realise that not many peeps persue titles...but none the less....its alot easier to accumulate the cash needed if u can use something worth 8k+. actually...if anet would lift the bank limit of 1 million...lol...none of us would be arguing about it...lol
Superdarth
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why cant people understand that some peeps like to achieve the titles. titles that happen to be very expensive to obtain. i realise that not many peeps persue titles...but none the less....its alot easier to accumulate the cash needed if u can use something worth 8k+. actually...if anet would lift the bank limit of 1 million...lol...none of us would be arguing about it...lol
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MSecorsky
I can proudly say that, across all nine characters, I have... count them... zero sets of FoW armor. Ecto prices mean nothing to me. I did splurge and get 15K on one of my mesmers, but the 1.5K stuff works just as well and looks good.
Let 'em fall.
Let 'em fall.
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why cant people understand that some peeps like to achieve the titles. titles that happen to be very expensive to obtain. i realise that not many peeps persue titles...but none the less....its alot easier to accumulate the cash needed if u can use something worth 8k+. actually...if anet would lift the bank limit of 1 million...lol...none of us would be arguing about it...lol
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Kokuyougan
Diamonds are a rare crafting material introduced in Guild Wars Nightfall. There is currently no known use for Diamonds.
Usage
* None
Acquisition
Diamonds do not drop from monsters in the game, however;
* Diamonds can be obtained by trading 7 Trade Contracts with a Vabbi Trade Official in The Kodash Bazaar.
* Diamonds are sometimes found in high-end "treasure chests".
* The Coffer of Whispers has been known to sometimes give 5 Diamonds.
What salvages into it
* Jeweled Daggers
* Diamond Aegis
* Diamond Djinn Essence
-GW Wiki
There is no use for them, so just use them as currency...
Usage
* None
Acquisition
Diamonds do not drop from monsters in the game, however;
* Diamonds can be obtained by trading 7 Trade Contracts with a Vabbi Trade Official in The Kodash Bazaar.
* Diamonds are sometimes found in high-end "treasure chests".
* The Coffer of Whispers has been known to sometimes give 5 Diamonds.
What salvages into it
* Jeweled Daggers
* Diamond Aegis
* Diamond Djinn Essence
-GW Wiki
There is no use for them, so just use them as currency...
Eldin
I still don't get the "now everybody has FoW! yay!" bit. Well, I do, but I don't get the "everybody gets good drops now, even casual players can make good money".
WRONG.
How does loot scaling help at all with normal drops? Are you talking about Hard Mode? Because FYI that's already lost its luster to many and it's impossible to find groups for it.
WRONG.
How does loot scaling help at all with normal drops? Are you talking about Hard Mode? Because FYI that's already lost its luster to many and it's impossible to find groups for it.
Stormcloud
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I still don't get the "now everybody has FoW! yay!" bit. Well, I do, but I don't get the "everybody gets good drops now, even casual players can make good money".
WRONG. How does loot scaling help at all with normal drops? Are you talking about Hard Mode? Because FYI that's already lost its luster to many and it's impossible to find groups for it. |
Not quite sure what circles you run in but everyone I know only plays in HM now...my crowd has no use for NM unless its on a new character.
The Herbalizer
fow armours hasnt been rare for like a year + now...
anet did intend to make 100k + weapons. anet did intend to make 1 million gold + weapons.
its stupid to say otherwise. with all the testing they could easily tell 100k + was easily obtainable. 15k armour which is not even most expensive is 75k gold + materials... they also made rediculously rare weapons which would cause high prices, r7, crystalline, dwarven etc. making a weapon drop like never is clearly going to lead to high prices.
anet did intend to make 100k + weapons. anet did intend to make 1 million gold + weapons.
its stupid to say otherwise. with all the testing they could easily tell 100k + was easily obtainable. 15k armour which is not even most expensive is 75k gold + materials... they also made rediculously rare weapons which would cause high prices, r7, crystalline, dwarven etc. making a weapon drop like never is clearly going to lead to high prices.
platypustamer
This is what it looks like right now: The people who didn't have money to begin with are happy that those who did have money are now losing it, and those that did are upset because all of their hard work and time is being undermined by both the "less privileged" community and by aNet.
While not insanely wealthy, I was/am very upset about the drop in ecto prices. Personally, I lost about 800k, simply because I had too much gold to store. Ecto has become the standard for trading and gold substitution, so naturally when I had about 3mil (one of my good friends was nice enough to hold about 1.2mil for me, and I had another account to hold the rest), I decided to, instead of burdening myself and my friend with the gold, to simply turn most of it into ecto.
Say what you will, but the time and effort I put into acquiring that money DOES mean that I deserve it, and for anet to do everything in their power to level the playing field simply seems unfair. It is almost like they are backstabbing their most loyal players (about 2600 hours in 13 months) for those who wish to play occasionally.
Just my two cents.
While not insanely wealthy, I was/am very upset about the drop in ecto prices. Personally, I lost about 800k, simply because I had too much gold to store. Ecto has become the standard for trading and gold substitution, so naturally when I had about 3mil (one of my good friends was nice enough to hold about 1.2mil for me, and I had another account to hold the rest), I decided to, instead of burdening myself and my friend with the gold, to simply turn most of it into ecto.
Say what you will, but the time and effort I put into acquiring that money DOES mean that I deserve it, and for anet to do everything in their power to level the playing field simply seems unfair. It is almost like they are backstabbing their most loyal players (about 2600 hours in 13 months) for those who wish to play occasionally.
Just my two cents.
bamm bamm bamm
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fow armours hasnt been rare for like a year + now...
anet did intend to make 100k + weapons. anet did intend to make 1 million gold + weapons. its stupid to say otherwise. with all the testing they could easily tell 100k + was easily obtainable. 15k armour which is not even most expensive is 75k gold + materials... they also made rediculously rare weapons which would cause high prices, r7, crystalline, dwarven etc. making a weapon drop like never is clearly going to lead to high prices. |
It is a fact that the rarest of weapons will only sell to a small percentage of players, but the actual amount of money they sell for is entirely dependent on the rate the game actually gives the gold out. This isn't really a problem with person-to-person trade, as the prices scale with the average ownership of gold (assuming everyone has access to the method of gold attainment, which isn't actually true in this case). This is, of course, inflation, and eventually hits the trade cap, until the players creatively start using materials as currency. The problem is with the player-to-NPC 'trade', as those prices are fixed, so the player gradually has an easier time reaching them.
So what, you ask? Well, you said it yourself at the start of your post. Items are valued via effort, and the easier they are attained, the less they are worth. They are no longer vanity items. Fow is no longer rare.
People no longer have anything to work for and feel pride over. As a side effect, instead of actually stemming inflation, the developers start introducing more expensive items.I do agree with one thing though: moar testing plx.
Corinthian
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While not insanely wealthy... ... ...when I had about 3mil (one of my good friends was nice enough to hold about 1.2mil for me, and I had another account to hold the rest)
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"Insanely" limit is 100 excess plats in bank. Excess means you don't have to buy anything right now.
assassin rob
Hmm , that ecto's are going down is understandable but Arenanet says ones that it should be easier for Beginning players to buy stuff.But how are they going to do that the gold drop +Normal drop is pretty crap atm.
platypustamer
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Dude you ARE insanely wealthy.
"Insanely" limit is 100 excess plats in bank. Excess means you don't have to buy anything right now. |
Go look in the high-end forum, some of the biggest players are having "Quitting Sales" because Anet has sucked out every inkling of fun that they used to have--they just see no point in staying. It is sad what is happening, and it seems that it will only get worse unless drastic action is taken...
Curse You
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No, insanely wealthy are the people that spend 500+ ecto on a mini pet...and I'm not accumulating wealth for no reason, I do it for titles (Incorrigable cost me about 1.1, and r2 Sweet Tooth cost like 1.4). They aren't cheap, but that's the point. Anet wouldn't have made such gold sinks if they didn't think people were 1) going to have the money, or 2) actually going to spend the gold. They KNEW people would become wealthy, and now they are, like I said before, undermining that work and trying to level the playing field.
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Go look in the high-end forum, some of the biggest players are having "Quitting Sales" because Anet has sucked out every inkling of fun that they used to have--they just see no point in staying. It is sad what is happening, and it seems that it will only get worse unless drastic action is taken...
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Loviatar
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my cost on that is 75k to 100k max
and yes i mean ale hound not simply drunkard.
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No, insanely wealthy are the people that spend 500+ ecto on a mini pet...and I'm not accumulating wealth for no reason, I do it for titles (Incorrigable cost me about 1.1, and r2 Sweet Tooth cost like 1.4). They aren't cheap, but that's the point.
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and yes i mean ale hound not simply drunkard.
Malice Black
This forum still fails at civilized discussion I see.
DFrost
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You want elite? You want rares? GO PLAY GVG AND WIN THE TOURNAMENT. Gold trim capes for guild... Potions... Odd items...
There is nothing "elite" about PvE, it's just grinding and farming and grinding and time spent being a nolife. |
I would say it's just as "nolife" whether someone spends time is in pre-searing or in a GvG arena. But that's the beauty of the game, being able to do whichever you like when you want to relax and take a break from the duties in the real world.
Malice Black
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Elite this, elite that... at the end of the day, GW is just a video game, nothing more, so I find it extremely curious that you can classify a part of a video game as "nolife" and another part of a video game somehow above that.
I would say it's just as "nolife" whether someone spends time is in pre-searing or in a GvG arena. But that's the beauty of the game, being able to do whichever you like when you want to relax and take a break from the duties in the real world. |
As for ecto prices..welcome to trading. Can't take the heat? go back to being poor.
6am3 Fana71c
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Um... how? 
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arcanemacabre
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Elite this, elite that... at the end of the day, GW is just a video game, nothing more, so I find it extremely curious that you can classify a part of a video game as "nolife" and another part of a video game somehow above that.
I would say it's just as "nolife" whether someone spends time is in pre-searing or in a GvG arena. But that's the beauty of the game, being able to do whichever you like when you want to relax and take a break from the duties in the real world. |
Seriously, all this PvE vs. PvP crap really boils down to - we're all a bunch of geeks, can't we all just get along?
Curse You
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Um... how?
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garethporlest18
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If you were a woman, and I wasn't already married, I would so put on some Barry White records to this post....
Seriously, all this PvE vs. PvP crap really boils down to - we're all a bunch of geeks, can't we all just get along? |
As for ecto prices, I don't mind. Up or down, I don't really use them as a form of currency since I never have more than 1000k anyways. I do know some people want FoW armor, that can't afford it so this is really nice for them and I'm happy they're able too. Yes those people that like it, for it's looks and not to brag about how elite they are and how much prestige it has.
Creeping Carl
Oh boo hoo. Ectos are not hard currency. So they are subject to price fluctuations. Funny how these same people complaining that "ANET backstabbed" them for supposedly lowering ecto prices wouldnt be complaining at all when/if ectos rise in price.
Stop whining.
Stop whining.
fb2000
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Um... how?
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ontopic, true, ive never traded much in ecto, but ecto hasnt really lost its value - some items which were say 100+50, still sell close to that, dont they?
Anyway, if you are so worried about GW "economy", you have to realise that the item market itself is going to evolve into what Diablo2 has - the rarest, perfect (and i mean quite rare stuff..) selling for bazillions of HighRunes (runes are the most common trading unit I believe, with highrunes being amazingly rare and useful :P), while close to perfects cannot be sold to anyone.
the current fluctuations are a taste of whats to come - you already see how items considered quite expensive before drop severely in prices, while perfects like r7 and weird low-quantity items (limited minis, etc) increase..
in the end, its just a game, I really despise most of the comments here, everyone is free to play the game in whichever way they find good..
platypustamer
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my cost on that is 75k to 100k max
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As for those who posted negatively about my first comment, you are just proving me right. You didn't have money in the first place, and you are too simple-minded to put yourselves in the shoes of people who are affected by this.
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What it does mean is that there are a lot of high-end players (people with too much money) who don't get how economics work, and failed to see that Ectoplasm is a crafting material
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Now, please, and this time it is a plea, put yourselves in the shoes of someone who feels like anet is working against them. How would you feel if half the money you have right now just disappeared and a little sticky note said "You have too much, we need to even things out - anet"...
Dzan
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That's like saying that people who trade stocks don't know how economics works, it is the EXACT same principle....and following up on that, there isn't some all powerful ruler who is DELIBERATELY ruining the stock market, is there?
Now, please, and this time it is a plea, put yourselves in the shoes of someone who feels like anet is working against them. How would you feel if half the money you have right now just disappeared and a little sticky note said "You have too much, we need to even things out - anet"... |
And besides you sound foolish when you talk about the stock market. Any good investor will diversify his portfolio to avoid situations like this. Anyone who over-invests in a commodity gets what he deserves eventually.
platypustamer
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I don't believe A-net did that, but please continue to throw out false accusations. Any change in the price of ecto since hardmode is a result of the solo farm changes and a normal market fluctuation.
And besides you sound foolish when you talk about the stock market. Any good investor will diversify his portfolio to avoid situations like this. Anyone who over-invests in a commodity gets what he deserves eventually. |
As for calling me foolish in regards to the stock market, think of it this way. It is a game, not the NYSE, and there simply isn't diversity in investment. Sure, I can spend money on an item, but "Whoops!", that got killed by the economic slump also. What else? Another crafting material...I would have to create 3 mules just to hold it all...that's why ecto (with it's high prices) are the best choice. Furthermore, it's not over investing, because, unlike the real world, I don't have a bank that can store a limitless supply of cash, I have a cap, and it simply HAS to be put somewhere else. Also, once again, there isn't a all-powerful being doing what he wants with the stock market...
Jetdoc
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Actually, ecto prices have been very gradually falling over the past two weeks. They were between 7K and 7.5K, and now they are steadily between 6K and 6.5K (and haven't hit 7K in almost a week now).
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Ecto prices were at 6K almost all weekend long. During the week, rare material prices tend to fall (due to less people being online to purchase rare materials in the trade channel, so people sell them to the material trader), so it would not surprise me to see prices range between 5-5.5K during the week.
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it simply HAS to be put somewhere else.
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Yes, you have a potential 40% loss in value by doing that, but that is a similar cost that the very wealthy in the real world incurs as well for storing their wealth.
Dzan
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Furthermore, it's not over investing, because, unlike the real world, I don't have a bank that can store a limitless supply of cash, I have a cap, and it simply HAS to be put somewhere else. Also, once again, there isn't a all-powerful being doing what he wants with the stock market...
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And again, a-net did not set the price of ecto. They changed governing principals of the overall game economy, which had an indirect result of lowering the price of ecto. The Federal Reserve does things like that all the time with interest rates and lending caps.
And bank accounts are only insured to a certain amount, not too many wealthy people keep more money in any account than it is insured for. I guess they have to get another mule... er... account to hold the rest.
platypustamer
Comparing the Federal Reserve's impact on the stock market with Anet's control of the in-game economy is ridiculous, I'm sorry. And yes, bank accounts can "technically" only hold so much, but for me to spend real world money to store more gold is ludicrous.
Loviatar
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WRONG
I PAID 20 GOLD PER SPIKED EGGNOG BY BUYING GARGOYLE SKULLS AT 10 EACH MONTHS BEFORE WINTERSDAY AND THEN TRADING 2 SKULLS (20 GOLD) PER SPIKED EGGNOG.
THE MATH FOR YOU
3 MINUTES PER SPIKED GIVES 3334 NEEDED
6668 SKULLS AT 10 GOLD EACH EQUALS LESS THAN THE 75K STATED
NO SCAM, NO BULL, PATIENCE REQUIRED AS WELL AS ADVANCE PLANNING.
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Sorry, but this is complete bull unless you are 1) a scammer, or 2) a game dev who can give yourself ale (can they?), or 3) farmed like a crazy person for every event. If you bought all of your alcohol, there is no way that you paid 7.5g-10g a minute...it's simply impossible, or you, like I said before, scammed people by buying for 10g each, because that would simply be taking advantage of their lack of knowledge. I payed 100g-110g a minute, and that was DURING Wintersday when I could get Spiked Eggnog for 300g each, as opposed to now when people pay 400-500g each easily. I believe in High End right now, there is a guy selling a full 3334 Spiked (What I had) and the bids are up near 300ecto...so when you say 75k-100k, I don't believe you.
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I PAID 20 GOLD PER SPIKED EGGNOG BY BUYING GARGOYLE SKULLS AT 10 EACH MONTHS BEFORE WINTERSDAY AND THEN TRADING 2 SKULLS (20 GOLD) PER SPIKED EGGNOG.
THE MATH FOR YOU
3 MINUTES PER SPIKED GIVES 3334 NEEDED
6668 SKULLS AT 10 GOLD EACH EQUALS LESS THAN THE 75K STATED
NO SCAM, NO BULL, PATIENCE REQUIRED AS WELL AS ADVANCE PLANNING.
Correct Jeans
what really sucks is that the price went down to 6k just after I finally figured out how to change my account territory to europe for UW farming. RRRGGGHH.
unbound00
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Comparing the Federal Reserve's impact on the stock market with Anet's control of the in-game economy is ridiculous, I'm sorry.
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I don't know about Federal Reserve, but I can think of how the Government can affect economy, like when new laws are made or revamped regarding certain products because of health or the environment, it is a measure that must be taken and it is not made on economic basis, though it directly affects economy and values of products. So yes, there is an all-powerful being whose decision may affect economy. And what happens then, economy adapts. Economic interests are what lead the world to some of these crisis in the first place.
Sir Skullcrasher
Who give a damn, I got more money in the real world than I had in ectos!! 
Dzan
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Comparing the Federal Reserve's impact on the stock market with Anet's control of the in-game economy is ridiculous, I'm sorry.
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Curse You
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Comparing the Federal Reserve's impact on the stock market with Anet's control of the in-game economy is ridiculous, I'm sorry.
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The government (not the federal reserves, I know) enacts a new law requiring all businesses to reduce their waste output by some amount (I'm making this up, don't expect real numbers). One of the large businesses is unable to comply with the new law, and so they are required to shut down. As a result, anyone with stocks in that company loose money.
Now, from that, you can see that there is some higher power that can impact the real economy.