When I first started playing, I used to see people in (what I used to call) FOW armor and think "sweet they must be an ace player", because Obsidean armor held a place of respect in my view.
It was the most expensive set you could get, and would either take hours of collecting drops from the FOW and UW and/or ours of saving up to buy the materials.
Something which in my view, gave it credibility. That and it was fairly rare to see people in it.
My question is, does Obsidean armor still hold that feeling of respect and grandure about it?
Do people see someone in FOW armor and think "Nice one" or do they think "Bah, I bet their just rich"?
I ask because i've just decided to take the plunge into saving up for the armor. I've every other end game set already, but I dont feel complete unless I have the FOW end game stuff.
Im not too bothered what people think, and I plan to just save up and not farm the drops. But because it will take a while to save up, it would be nice to think people will stop and look after all the effort.
But something else I realised, is that it isnt going to be quite as expensive as I thought. Its not hard to make gold anymore, and the rare materials are only 3-6k each.
It kind of removes the Ore around it once you realise its not quite as hard to get as you imagined. And alot more people wear it now. You see an elemental in Ob. armor once a day now, compared to rarely months ago.
So what is the general census about FOW/Obsdiean armor and its status cred?
Does Obsidean Armor still hold a place of respect and status cred?
freekedoutfish
Iuris
If one wears FoW armour, he / she is rich. That's it.
Could be a patient farmer, could be a long time player, could be an "ebay customer". All it tells to me is that the person is rich.
Same as drunkards, sweet teeth and similar.
The titles that imply skill for me are Survivor and PvP titles.
Could be a patient farmer, could be a long time player, could be an "ebay customer". All it tells to me is that the person is rich.
Same as drunkards, sweet teeth and similar.
The titles that imply skill for me are Survivor and PvP titles.
Sparda
Personely i think FoW armor is a thing of status.
And yes some people fought hard to get it so i respect that.
But obsidian armor doesn't show how good you are in the game.
It show that you are crazy enought to spent a lot of money.
It's just the fact that SOME rich people don't show respect for the people with less becouse they have all the game offers.
So they think that they are better that the rest
And yes some people fought hard to get it so i respect that.
But obsidian armor doesn't show how good you are in the game.
It show that you are crazy enought to spent a lot of money.
It's just the fact that SOME rich people don't show respect for the people with less becouse they have all the game offers.
So they think that they are better that the rest
God Apprentice
Never held any respect in my eyes. Armor is armor.
King Kong Monkey
At the first, excuse my bad english..
When i didn't had Obsidian Armor on my monk i had alot of respect for those players. Now i got a set for myself i don't... That's because it isn't that hard. For example: It took me 2 weeks trading on Guru Auction to make 1,2 mil profit. I think it only takes respect from people who aren't that rich.
These days titles say more i think, and then i am not talking about 70% carthrogapher, more about the PvP titles with Gladiator en Champion title tracks as the best. Skill Hunter, Vanquisher and Guardian are the best in PvE in my opinion.
BTW: Does anyone knows what armors will be unlockable with Reward Points since you can only see the basic armors and not yet the fancy armors. I hope that Anet didnt made FoW armor and high-end weapons unlockable since the Guild Wars would be screwed for the PvE players..
When i didn't had Obsidian Armor on my monk i had alot of respect for those players. Now i got a set for myself i don't... That's because it isn't that hard. For example: It took me 2 weeks trading on Guru Auction to make 1,2 mil profit. I think it only takes respect from people who aren't that rich.
These days titles say more i think, and then i am not talking about 70% carthrogapher, more about the PvP titles with Gladiator en Champion title tracks as the best. Skill Hunter, Vanquisher and Guardian are the best in PvE in my opinion.
BTW: Does anyone knows what armors will be unlockable with Reward Points since you can only see the basic armors and not yet the fancy armors. I hope that Anet didnt made FoW armor and high-end weapons unlockable since the Guild Wars would be screwed for the PvE players..
Teh [prefession]-zorz
Well in my opinion most people probbly bought gold/ecto off ebay and not even played
bilateralrope
I've never given it any respect.
But when I actually think about it everyone in FoW armor that I've pugged with has been at least decent (I started playing a few weeks before Sorrows Furnace was added). It could be that the bad players learned how to play well before they got FoW, or it could be that they just learned to avoid grouping with people to avoid being yelled at, but I don't really care since the former is good and I don't care about the latter players because they don't effect me.
But when I actually think about it everyone in FoW armor that I've pugged with has been at least decent (I started playing a few weeks before Sorrows Furnace was added). It could be that the bad players learned how to play well before they got FoW, or it could be that they just learned to avoid grouping with people to avoid being yelled at, but I don't really care since the former is good and I don't care about the latter players because they don't effect me.
Cacheelma
...does it ever?
Milennin
Don't have any respect or disrespect for people with Obsidian Armour. In my opinion it's pretty ugly for most classes, but if they want to wear it, fine. I'm happy with my 'cheap' 15K Armour.=D
Sparda
E-bay customers are just so Noob.
Iff you wanne get FoW armor just play the game and have some patience.
And like God Apprentice says Armor is Armor, iff armor costs 900k or 12k in total Armor is Armor
I can play good with max armor value of 1k a piece
Iff you wanne get FoW armor just play the game and have some patience.
And like God Apprentice says Armor is Armor, iff armor costs 900k or 12k in total Armor is Armor
I can play good with max armor value of 1k a piece
Teh [prefession]-zorz
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At the first, excuse my bad english..
BTW: Does anyone knows what armors will be unlockable with Reward Points since you can only see the basic armors and not yet the fancy armors. I hope that Anet didnt made FoW armor and high-end weapons unlockable since the Guild Wars would be screwed for the PvE players.. |
Gaia_Hunter
For me it was about looks, and IMHO, excluding a few setd like paragon, FoW armor isnt actually good looking, and been replaced mostly by the NF armor sets.
More, with the all armors becoming inscribable, tyrian armors also deserve a second look.
Anyway, excluding the lucky drop or the ebayer, espensive armor is expensive armor and requires time to get it.
More, with the all armors becoming inscribable, tyrian armors also deserve a second look.
Anyway, excluding the lucky drop or the ebayer, espensive armor is expensive armor and requires time to get it.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Don't have any respect or disrespect for people with Obsidian Armour. In my opinion it's pretty ugly for most classes, but if they want to wear it, fine. I'm happy with my 'cheap' 15K Armour.=D
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Stormlord Alex
I've never really respected people with FoW, indeed, when I see it I always think 'Eeeeewww... You spent a million on *THAT*?'
Tbh, the only things I really respect are intelligent play and builds, and good taste in armour/dye (no, 15k glads with a FoW helm all dyed black won't cut it. Unoriginal, and black's fugly)
Tbh, the only things I really respect are intelligent play and builds, and good taste in armour/dye (no, 15k glads with a FoW helm all dyed black won't cut it. Unoriginal, and black's fugly)
Sparda
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well why not give them FoW armor, hardcore pve players get it, why cant hardcore pvp...
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And prestige armor is something 2 earn in PvE
and why give it to PvP players anyway
SotiCoto
When I first saw Fissure of Woe armour.... black, naturally.... my first thought was: "... Ugly armour. Ew." ... Then I saw another whole load of them... especially warrior sets... and thought "Very common ugly armour... ew!" ...
... Then I discovered it is the second most expensive armour in the game (behind Vabbian, hooray)... and I think "What moron would pay that much for such an ugly piece of crap like that?"
I have never been in awe of Fissure of Woe armour and I never will. The only classes that have worthwhile-looking sets as far as I'm aware are Dervishes and Ritualists. Aside from that... No thanks...
Every time I see a necromancer in FoW armour, I can't help but think "Go get yourself a set of 15k Luxon already, you ugly leper!"
The long and the short of it.... how expensive it is will never be worth a thing in my mind. The real worth is in how good it looks... and sadly most FoW armour (in my opinion) looks like total tripe.
I WILL be getting it for my Ritualist though.... assuming I ever get her off Shing Jea Island.
... Then I discovered it is the second most expensive armour in the game (behind Vabbian, hooray)... and I think "What moron would pay that much for such an ugly piece of crap like that?"
I have never been in awe of Fissure of Woe armour and I never will. The only classes that have worthwhile-looking sets as far as I'm aware are Dervishes and Ritualists. Aside from that... No thanks...
Every time I see a necromancer in FoW armour, I can't help but think "Go get yourself a set of 15k Luxon already, you ugly leper!"
The long and the short of it.... how expensive it is will never be worth a thing in my mind. The real worth is in how good it looks... and sadly most FoW armour (in my opinion) looks like total tripe.
I WILL be getting it for my Ritualist though.... assuming I ever get her off Shing Jea Island.
Surena
I like all mine, I don't care about other people's armour/weapons yadda yadda yadda, unless I know them or they're friends. Then I decide how I can help them get theirs, if they want it. Threads such as these provoke jealousy, flames and ebay-arguments.
I respect people who are polite, patient and eager to adapt. Anything else is nothing of importance to me.
I respect people who are polite, patient and eager to adapt. Anything else is nothing of importance to me.
fenix
Meh, I was aiming for FoW for my ele, just because it's one of the best sets. I got it, and I'm happy. I also have a few other pieces on various chars. It isn't that impressive tbh, I got FoW just because I hated all the other ele armors. It used to be a status symbol WAYYY back before Gold Sellers and before people were as rich as they are now. Now, FoW is easy to get, and doesn't hold much respect, except for players who are putting in the hard yards to get it.
Rothen Kithkanan
Never been bothered with FoW armour. Not even bothered with with other people who wear it. I spend my time on GW actually playing not wanting to all excited that some wammo is wearing FoW. Guess there's nothing wrong with it if that's what you want, but for me, its just another (very expensive) set of armour. nothing more nothing less
Zolderick
I believe FoW armour is a symbol of status similar to that of having titles. During those times when there was no titles FoW armour and Hero emotes were the only way to display your status.
bilateralrope
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Don't have any respect or disrespect for people with Obsidian Armour. In my opinion it's pretty ugly for most classes, but if they want to wear it, fine. I'm happy with my 'cheap' 15K Armour.=D
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I didn't even mind when the salvage kits all pulled runes out instead of the ecto.
Personette
I think it's very important to realize that almost all the people who are saying, "FoW used to be impressive to me, but now its not" are people who are reflecting on their own change in status, as much as any changes in the economic value of FoW armor.
When it gets to the point where you can make millions in GW gold, where everybody that you play with and have been playing with for some time is in the same position, where you only play the very high-end areas, where there are still goals you haven't achieved (like the certain few titles that still seem lust-worthy), it's very easy to lose perspective. One really annoying thing about success is that once you get it, you tend to be surrounded by other successful people who take success for granted; then, more success is impressive and less is...not worth mentioning.
So yes, the people who haven't made their way that far - and there are plenty - are still likely to be very impressed, although I'm sure some will suspect that you ebayed it.
When it gets to the point where you can make millions in GW gold, where everybody that you play with and have been playing with for some time is in the same position, where you only play the very high-end areas, where there are still goals you haven't achieved (like the certain few titles that still seem lust-worthy), it's very easy to lose perspective. One really annoying thing about success is that once you get it, you tend to be surrounded by other successful people who take success for granted; then, more success is impressive and less is...not worth mentioning.
So yes, the people who haven't made their way that far - and there are plenty - are still likely to be very impressed, although I'm sure some will suspect that you ebayed it.
Orbberius
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I think it's very important to realize that almost all the people who are saying, "FoW used to be impressive to me, but now its not" are people who are reflecting on their own change in status, as much as any changes in the economic value of FoW armor.
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It's just like rank 3 was zomgwtfbbq awesome during E3 for Everyone, but now rank 3 is just hmm, congrats?
conjurer
I'm just reading this topic & what I'm thinkinh is "what the hell". I mean fow is not expensive, ectos are 5k now, so the full set is like 650K max. Which is like u open a chest in hoh & got one lucky drop, or in pve u find a req9 elemental sword & yay u can buy fow, it's just a fancy armor, nothing special, just if u have money to buy it, why not? You dont need to be ebayer neather rich to buy it.
TedTheDead
Ive never thought any better of anyone wearing FoW armor. Its of little significance IMO. I dont think any of the sets are the best looking options for their class (except Paragon) and their cost simply means the wearer put their resources into it and not somewhere else. I could have gotten FoW armor for my Necro but I think the Luxon 15K is SIGNIFICANTLY better looking than the necro FoW set and thus I have decided to go for Treasure Hunter, Drunkard, Wisdom and Skill Hunter titles instead of putting my money towards that. Just a matter of choice, if you are getting the armor because you want people to look up to you then you are wasting your time I think. If you think its a good goal or challenge and/or you think its great looking, then go for it and have fun.
Etta
I know a guildy who spent months farming for the fow set, I also know an ex-guildy who ebay his golds for the set. The former is a great player and still playing daily after 19+months, the later was also a great player and left the game 5 months ago. Now if someone who doesn't know them, see them in fow armor, what will that person think?
ariarena
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I'm just reading this topic & what I'm thinkinh is "what the hell". I mean fow is not expensive, ectos are 5k now, so the full set is like 650K max. Which is like u open a chest in hoh & got one lucky drop, or in pve u find a req9 elemental sword & yay u can buy fow, it's just a fancy armor, nothing special, just if u have money to buy it, why not? You dont need to be ebayer neather rich to buy it.
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Well... I know that there are people out there owning 20 stacks of 250 ectos plus 3000k, but... having 650 k is enough for me to be considered rich. And there are not many drops now valued in 650k, either.
I think that after 2 years, many people has saved enough for FoW. I did it, btw. But a second set is a big efford again. Fow is only fancy armor, but if you are not an ebayer nor incredibly lucky, it's expensive, and NOT easy to get.
Jetdoc
If you assign "respect" and "awe" to something in a computer game, you really need to re-evaluate why you play the game.
Honestly, I view FoW armor as just another skin. In many instances, FoW pieces mix very well with other armors, so I attempt to get those pieces. But assigning any sort of "pride" to those pieces...well, I might remember the process of getting it (which may make it have some sentimental value), but "beating your chest" because you've gotten it...that's another thing.
Honestly, I view FoW armor as just another skin. In many instances, FoW pieces mix very well with other armors, so I attempt to get those pieces. But assigning any sort of "pride" to those pieces...well, I might remember the process of getting it (which may make it have some sentimental value), but "beating your chest" because you've gotten it...that's another thing.
Ouchie
I never really notice what type armor someone has, I always figured it was preference not status.
Titles I notice but seeing as most can be bought or spoonfed now I only really respect Legendary Cartographer, Vanquisher or Guardian Titles. It used to be skill hunter that I respected the most, however with the introduction of Elite tomes that too can be bought now (sigh)
Think I may save up enough tomes to have a level 1 legendary skill hunter just for giggles
Titles I notice but seeing as most can be bought or spoonfed now I only really respect Legendary Cartographer, Vanquisher or Guardian Titles. It used to be skill hunter that I respected the most, however with the introduction of Elite tomes that too can be bought now (sigh)
Think I may save up enough tomes to have a level 1 legendary skill hunter just for giggles
Corinthian
When I first saw the "prestigious" FOW armor, I chuckled. People farm 24/7 for months for THAT?!
I never viewed it as an "elite" armor since the materials for it are buyable by anyone in the game. If shards or ectos only dropped in HoH rarely or were given as prizes for top 10 GvG guilds after each ladder season, I'd appreciate it much, much more.
Now it just shows that they farm like crazy and are probably very boring persons.
I never viewed it as an "elite" armor since the materials for it are buyable by anyone in the game. If shards or ectos only dropped in HoH rarely or were given as prizes for top 10 GvG guilds after each ladder season, I'd appreciate it much, much more.
Now it just shows that they farm like crazy and are probably very boring persons.
Shuuda
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... Then I discovered it is the second most expensive armour in the game (behind Vabbian, hooray).
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Anyway, at the end of the day, you should only really get any 15K armor because you like it. I mean, why should you care about how many think you ebay, they're nobody to you.
I don't think I would ever get FoW, it looks ok, but after what it tooks to get my assassin's vabbian(which I love to bits), I don't think FoW would be worth the grind to me.
But, if you want FoW, get it, don't let anyone's opinion get in the way of what you want.
Alperuzi
I don't see the logic behind armor "sets" anyways. They should have all been designed to be used mixed. The newer pieces are better in that respect. An armor combination (plus color) that looks good as a whole is much more of a show of skill IMHO.
freekedoutfish
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If you assign "respect" and "awe" to something in a computer game, you really need to re-evaluate why you play the game.
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But at the minute, we have nothing. Mainly due to the fact all things can be baught with enough money.
It would be cool if we armors and/or weapons you can only get after completing some huge task which takes skill and talent.
freekedoutfish
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I don't see the logic behind armor "sets" anyways. They should have all been designed to be used mixed. The newer pieces are better in that respect. An armor combination (plus color) that looks good as a whole is much more of a show of skill IMHO.
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Shuuda
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It would be cool if we armors and/or weapons you can only get after completing some huge task which takes skill and talent.
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Corinthian
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My point was also that it would be nice to have armors and weapons that actually had some awe and respect to them. Something which you could own with pride.
But at the minute, we have nothing. Mainly due to the fact all things can be baught with enough money. It would be cool if we armors and/or weapons you can only get after completing some huge task which takes skill and talent. |
Moloch Vein
Well, I will never try for a set of Obsidian for my necro, because Obsidian necro has to be one of the worst designs in the game.
I don't care much for "status" armor, I go for what looks good. I thought Vabbian was the set that looked best on necro, so I got that. When inscriptions were made available for Proph/Fact, I got myself an AL15 bonelace to slap radiants on for my 55. I still think bonelace is one of the best looking designs in the game.
I don't care much for "status" armor, I go for what looks good. I thought Vabbian was the set that looked best on necro, so I got that. When inscriptions were made available for Proph/Fact, I got myself an AL15 bonelace to slap radiants on for my 55. I still think bonelace is one of the best looking designs in the game.
Destinyy
To me, it's about look and personal preference...
An example, I chose Kurzik 1.5K armor over the 15K armor for my female warrior because I think it looks better... I didn't have the 15K either, but if I wanted it I could get it...
I really couldn't care less what armor the other players in the game have... I like seeing guys with rare weaps tho, altho I don't think they leet or anything. They do get a "hey bud, nice sword" from me tho...
An example, I chose Kurzik 1.5K armor over the 15K armor for my female warrior because I think it looks better... I didn't have the 15K either, but if I wanted it I could get it...
I really couldn't care less what armor the other players in the game have... I like seeing guys with rare weaps tho, altho I don't think they leet or anything. They do get a "hey bud, nice sword" from me tho...
Andisa Kalorn
FoW armor held a place of respect? Must have missed that. My view on FoW is that it's generally ugly, so people who have it are the type that believe anything worth a lot of money looks good and lack an inherent sense of style. I checked out the FoW armors before I had a clue about how much they actually cost, and the only one I had any interest in was mesmer female FoW (which I did get).
Also, the first person I knew who got FoW armor ebayed it. That didn't exactly seem very impressive.
By now, anyone who spent some of their time farming and has played the game for a while should be able to afford it. Seeing someone in FoW isn't exactly an uncommon occurance anymore, and it hasn't been in a long time.
So don't get FoW armor expecting to get respect or status. Get it for yourself, either because you think it looks good or you think it's an accomplishment.
Also, the first person I knew who got FoW armor ebayed it. That didn't exactly seem very impressive.
By now, anyone who spent some of their time farming and has played the game for a while should be able to afford it. Seeing someone in FoW isn't exactly an uncommon occurance anymore, and it hasn't been in a long time.
So don't get FoW armor expecting to get respect or status. Get it for yourself, either because you think it looks good or you think it's an accomplishment.
lacasner
Get the armor because you like how it looks, not because of it's price tag. I hold the same principle for any weapons I buy, I'll only buy it if I like its look, and if the item happens to be on the high end I won't mind paying it. Personally, I thought war and monk fow looked the best, so I bought it, and price or "internet-cred" didn't affect my decision.